i give up. I have no idea who is bad. :(

dola, im quiet sure danny is a wolf, but i was sure of saldna and kwhitt too. so what od i know!

I am not going to come out and reveal it because that would give the wolves a very valuable piece of information.

So I should take this is saying I am not a wolf then :). What's funny is in the small game, you thought I was a wolf too because of my play style and then it turned out we were the last two villagers.

Dola,

With the wolves killing Lathum, it means they weren't sure if Lathum was the fake or real seer. So that temporarily clears Telle. Your the easy choice this time around, olie.

So why didn't you vote for me or Telle yesterday?

GE, does this person trust you? Also, can you answer the question I asked you right before deadline?

With as many of our roles already gone or revealed, I think there are only a couple of other possibilities. I agree that you should keep quiet about it.

So you aren't going to "reveal" information that is, according to you, already out there? That makes NO sense. And how does the wolves killing Lathum clear Telle???? I don't see how you are connecting one to the other...

I disagree. We have not caught ANY wolves yet, and really don't have any "proof" of a wolf at this point. I'm not one, so if you are listening to GE, then it's just going to end up in the lynching of another villager and we'll be in an even worse position than we are now...

I don't see how he could have explained himself any clearer than he did, in post 1655.

It is a subtle hint that not all players are going to pick up on. Why would I come out with this information? I think, plan and simple, you have fangs.

What about Pass? Could say the same for him, right?

Ok, but Lathum had a role and people were still hesitant to believe him. What proof would we have to believe anyone else? I agree we need to do something fast to expand our CoT since it still really only includes Alan at this point, but I'm not sure how to accomplish that.

No. Not based on my original theory.

We need SOME information if we have any chance of surviving. The two people that have revealed anything are dead now (other than Alan)

You original theory was that both Telle and I were wolves, right?

What's the difference between Telle and I in your current theory?

So because the wolves killed Lathum, that means his scan of Telle was right?

If Lathum was the real seer, and Telle is good, which they would know, then killing him eliminates our "true" seer. +1 for the wolves.

If Lathum was the fake seer, and Telle is good, which they would know, then killing him eliminates a villager, and at some point is going to force the hand of the real seer to reveal...with no BG, they'll kill the seer quickly. Again, +1 for the wolves.

If Lathum was the fake seer and Telle is bad, which they would know, then killing him eliminates a villager and again, is going to force the hand of the real seer into revealing.

I don't see how ANY of the scenarios clear Telle. All killing Lathum did was leave us down another villager, and create a situation where at some point, the real seer is going to have to reveal.

GE's post about 2:30 today said that killing Saldana wouldn't prove anything and that we should have lynched Telle, yet after we lynched another villager, he decides that voting for me is the right thing to do???? And furthermore, he says that "someone he trusts" has identified me as someone to vote for, and that he will "explain more" once he is caught up...but then he changes his tune and says he doesn't want to give anything away, even though supposedly all this information is already out there???

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

I agree with all this -- but in my mind, Telle is cleared because she's a Mason.

..........

Let's summarize:

RendeR says my argument sounds more reasonable than Telle.
RendeR still argues that Telle is good.
RendeR goes on to assume I'm a wolf, since I'm going after Telle.
Telle says she is saying nothing about a reveal.

Fine, but how the hell does that make GE's post 1655 clear and "explain everything" like you said it did????

And now that you have "outed" Telle as a possible Mason, which I have issues with, why dont' you just go ahead and spell out exactly what posts brought you to this line of thinking?

The end result of this is all the same, I'm a villager. Plain and simple. Lynch me if you want, but you are just going to end up in a worse position than you are in right now.

olie, here's what I said:


I didn't say I believed it. I said that his explanation was right there. I know you're afraid of me, but I'm not even after you. I'm just stirring shit up wherever I can. :)

I'm not afraid of you, though maybe I should be. I just don't see how that specific post clarifies anything. In that post he's saying that the wolves killing Lathum temporarily clears Telle, and I don't see the connection between the two, which is what I've been saying for the past hour!!!!

:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

Here you go. Anyway, I'm heading home.

Maybe I missed a post, but Telle is a mason?

I must be stupid...would someone please explain to me how the wolves killing Lathum, which of course meant they didn't know if he was the fake or real seer, clears Telle?????? In simple, clear English. Don't assume I saw some hidden secret in a post...just explain it. Because I don't get it.

I'm not saying I think she is a wolf, or not, I'm just saying I don't see how Lathum's death clears her.

Lathum's scan was that Telle was good. If Telle is not a wolf, then they know that Lathum's scan good still be fake or legit.

However, I still don't understand how Pass can't be "temporarily cleared" with the same logic.

Here's Pass's explanation:

Which refers to these posts:


If you go back and look at all of Telle's PMs around this, it makes sense. But I don't know that she wanted it out there.

Ummm, excuse me??? All of Telle's PM's?????

yeah thats wierd...

And what if Telle is a wolf (don't think she is at this point) and the wolves planned this to make us think that she's clear? I'm just saying that jumping to assumptions/conclusions at this point is ridiculous...we are not in a position to assume anything based on what the wolves do. If we start doing that, we have NO chance of winning this game.

Is it possible that Mccollins just outed 3 wolves? Himself, Pass and Telle????

Mason's don't have PM rights, yet McC just agreed with Pass on his theory of the "reveal" of Telle as a mason, then in the same post referenced "all of Telle's PM's"

Did we finally catch a break?

I don't think that I feel Telle is as trusted because Lathum was killed as some of you are saying. I think simply the wolves are not buying anything that I have been selling them.

I tried to stir up suspicion for DT and then for Lathum in hopes that if they thought either of them might end up on the lynch block they might leave them alone a little longer. While I had no way to know for sure if either of them were telling the truth or lying, keeping them alive as long as possible for now was good for the villagers.

I think they just killed off Lathum because no matter I tried to give possible doubt, most people believed him, and I think my mistake was early in the day today and yesterday stating that I didn't think we should put them on the lynch block. I think from my comments there, the wolves saw through the rest of my act.

I guess my next question is if some of the people who gave me so much crap for the various acts that I did really honestly had no idea what I was doing despite the wolves obviously figuring it out or if they really didn't catch any of the clues.

For now I don't think Lathum's death should clear Pass or Telle until we figure out the seer/fake seer thing, but it doesn't seem like it makes any sense to go after either of them just yet in the 50% chance that Lathum was the real seer.

I think you are either intentionally or unintentionally trying to draw heat away from you for what I would call a terminology difference. I've seen people call posts from a person on a message board PMs before outside of WW. I'm assuming in the context used there he obviously is talking about Telle's posts.

That said don't get me wrong, I'm not sure if I'm voting for you yet olie, I don't think I really understand the case against you yet. Not saying that there isn't a case against you, but those leading it haven't done a great job of explaining it thus far.

I actually have been feeling a bit off about mccollins for a bit, but obviously today is a day for me to take a step back and re-evaluate people.

Maybe so, but this WW and everyone knows the first rule of WW is no PM'ing unless you have PM rights...

You might be right, but that to me a huge blunder to make, especially for someone who has played as many games as McC.

I think we just caught something...

I totally agree. And I think people are following him for some reason. He just needs to be ignored for the most part.

UNVOTE TELLE

I give up. I must have missed the RendeR conversation. I'm going to give my head a rest for the weekend and try to jump back into this on Monday.

Of course it is funny that the person who already claims to have accidentally mis-posted earlier is so quick to jump on someone else for what might be an accidental mis-post. Especially when her fangs are starting to show with her voting record.

I think we need to investigate the mccollins thing but first we need to focus on the wolf at hand.


vote oliegirl

I do too... I think there should be a vote among players, instead of the GM deciding :P

OMG! Are you freaking kidding me???? I screw up with a NAME (which I have done before with those two) and you are comparing that Mccollins basically saying that he and Telle had been PM'ing????? :rant:

Fine, you want to think I'm a wolf, go ahead. Lynch me and lose ANOTHER villager, and then when Mccollins and/or Telle come up wolf you will look like an IDIOT...not me! :banghead:

ok breath deep, loooooong weekend!

OLIERAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That just doesn't really sound like something villager claps would say...

why not? im stupmed :(

I really want to put the heat back on Pass... At least half of the players in this game at one time or another said he was acting strange or doing something they didn't like or agree with. And we need to start putting heat on players that have been ignored this far.

I am going to spit out who i think are the 4 wolves... at the end of the game if i get them right, or 3 of the 4 right, St. Cronin should send me an old fashioned ;)


Passacagalia
SnDvls
Claps
Chief Rum


Vote Pass

Since LSG is around and is never short of insults for me, I'll just post the updated running vote counts so far and then head out until tommorrow :)

Day 1

10 - DaddyTorgo - Lathum (339), LoneStarGirl (538), PackerFanatic (556), mccollins (605), claphamsa (946), SnDvls (659), Mrs. Schmidty (676), saldana (691), oliegirl (707), GoldenEagle (725)
7 - Lathum - DaddyTorgo (250), KWhit (278), Barkeep (283), RendeR (294), Danny (431), Telle (650), Passacaglia (745)
1 - Mrs. Schmidty - EagleFan (362)
1 - EagleFan - Schmidty (394)
1 - saldana - Chief Rum (594)
1 - Alan T - Alan T (778)


Day 2


7 - Barkeep49 - Lathum (1052), PackerFanatic (1068), oliegirl (1072), mccollins (1079), Telle (1080), Mrs. Schmidty (1118), Passacaglia (1215)
4 - Chief Rum - LoneStarGirl (939), RendeR (1038), saldana (1175), GoldenEagle (1210)
3 - EagleFan - Chief Rum (1000), SnDvls (1065), claphamsa (1084)
3 - Lathum - Danny (1015), Barkeep49 (1040), DaddyTorgo (1089)
1 - oliegirl - EagleFan (943)
1 - saldana - Alan T (1044)

no vote: Schmidty


Day 3

11 - saldana - claphamsa (1291), Mrs. Schmidty (1358), mccollins (1408), PackerFanatic (1417), Telle (1485), SnDvls (1506), RendeR (1526), oliegirl (1586), Passacaglia (1610), Schmidty (1615), Alan T (1621)
3 - Telle - GoldenEagle (1273), Chief Rum (1383), saldana (1591)
2 - Passacaglia - LoneStarGirl (1389), Lathum (1424)
2 - oliegirl - Danny (1282), EagleFan (1311)

Looking at Alan's recap, I seriously wonder why I am being pointed out...day 1 I voted for DT with NINE other people...day 2 I voted for EF, alone, instead of voting with the village for BK who turned out to be a villager. Today I voted for Saldana along with TEN other people. But yeah, I guess you are right...EVERYONE else that voted for those 2 are good and I am the wolf.

Whatever. Here are my picks for wolves:

GoldenEagle
Eagle Fan
Mccollins
*Telle

*I'm still on the fence with Telle...some moments I think she is a wolf, some moments I think she isn't. If I had to add a 4th, well I'm not sure who it would be at this point. But the other 3 are acting very suspiciously IMHO.

For a dead guy you sure do talk alot...and loudly ;)

FWIW I actually didn't think you were a wolf this game...I made it all the way to your death without voting for you or calling you out as a suspect. Aren't you impressed?