Since you claim your the seer, i need your name, your role in our village(we all have one) and exactly what powers you claim to have. I will have to be heavily convinced, and so far all ive heared from you is

1.Im the seer
2.I scanned Johnathan, Mr. W, Schmidty
3.I only learn good or bad(which is odd with 3 sides to this game)

you could say 4 sides even Blade, but that just strengthens your point, ithink.

Just got back, and I have to say that I am VERY disappointed in the last second switch, and the lack of a lynch.

As far as what my role is, I won't say, but I will say that I'm pretty sure I'll be ok tonight. The big question is, who else is going to be ok.

Today's vote log:

(8) Thomkal - Swaggs (1466), Blade (1467), Daddy Torgo (1469), ntndeacon (1470), Izulde (1475), Tyrith (1478), BrianD (1512), Lonestargirl (1515)
(6) Ntndeacon - Alan (1247), Jonathan Ezarik (1248), Schmidty (1340), Thomkal (1392), Grammaticus (1558), Mr.Wednesday (1573)
(2) Izulde - Spleen (1377), Sublime (1445)
(2) Mr.Wednesday - Dodgerchick (1274)


(1185) lonestargirl votes izulde (1)
(1202) Spleen votes Tyrith (1)
(1207) Blade votes Sublime (1)
(1236) Tyrith votes Sublime (2)
(1237) Izulde votes Lonestargirl (1)
(1247) Alan votes ntndeacon (1)
(1248) Jonathan Ezarik votes ntndeacon (2)
(1258) Swaggs votes Daddy TOrgo (1)
(1264) Dodgerchick votes Schmidty (1)
(1274) Dodgerchick UNVOTES Schmidty (0) ***
(1274) Dodgerchick votes Mr.Wednesday (1)
(1286) Tyrith UNVOTES Sublime (0) ***
(1331) Grammaticus votes Lonestargirl (2)
(1336) Brian votes Izulde (2)
(1340) Schmidty votes Ntndeacon (3)
(1341) Tyrith votes Mr.Wednesday (2)
(1347) Blade UNVOTES Sublime (0) ***
(1347) Blade votes Izulde (3)
(1348) Tyrith UNVOTES Mr.wednesday (1) ***
(1348) Tyrith votes Izulde (4)
(1364) Mr.wednesday votes Ntndeacon (4)
(1372) Daddy Torgo votes ntndeacon (5)
(1376) Grammaticus UNVOTES Lonestargirl (1) ***
(1376) Grammaticus votes ntndeacon (6)
(1377) Spleen UNVOTES Tyrith (0) ***
(1377) Spleen votes Izulde (5)
(1379) Swaggs UNVOTES Daddy Torgo (0) ***
(1379) Swaggs votes Izulde (6)
(1392) Thomkal votes Ntndeacon (7)
(1418) Daddy Torgo UNVOTES Ntndeacon (6) ***
(1418) Daddy Torgo votes izulde (7)
(1422) Ntndeacon votes Izulde (8)
(1445) Sublime votes Izulde (9)
(1466) Swaggs UNVOTES Izulde (8) ***
(1466) Swaggs votes Thomkal (1)
(1467) Blade UNVOTES Izulde (7) ***
(1467) Blade votes Thomkal (2)
(1469) Daddy Torgo UNVOTES Izulde (6)***
(1469) Daddy Torgo Votes Thomkal (3)
(1470) Ntndeacon UNVOTES Izulde (5) ***
(1470) Ntndeacon votes thomkal (4)
(1475) izulde UNVOTES Lonestargirl (0) ***
(1475) Izulde votes thomkal (5)
(1477) Grammaticus UNVOTES Ntndeacon (5) ***
(1477) Grammaticus votes Thomkal (6)
(1478) Tyrith UNVOTES Izulde (4) ***
(1478) Tyrith votes Thomkal (7)
(1512) BrianD UNVOTES Izulde (3) ***
(1512) BrianD votes Thomkal (8)
(1515) Lonestargirl UNVOTES Izulde (2) ***
(1515) lonestargirl votes Thomkal (9)
(1531) Mr.Wednesday UNVOTES Ntndeacon (4) ***
(1531) Mr.Wednesday votes Thomkal (10)
(1536) Mr.Wednesday UNVOTES Thomkal (9) ***
(1536) Mr.Wednesday votes ntndeacon (5)
(1557) Mr.wednesday UNVOTES Ntndeacon (4) ***
(1557) Mr.Wednesday votes tyrith (1)
(1558) Grammaticus UNVOTES Thomkal (8) ***
(1558) Grammaticus votes Ntndeacon (5)
(1573) Mr.wednesday UNVOTES Tyrith (0) ***
(1573) Mr.wednesday votes ntndeacon (6)

Look at this guys, he picked 3 players he felt he could swing....he says so himself...he flat out lied

If he is the real seer, hes dead tonight. The only way good or bad he lives tonight is if he is in the faction with the every night kill. Even the other evil army will want him dead. So if hes here tomorrow, you have your answer about him.

Now, we get to dissect Mr. W, Alan, Sublime...maybe NTN, not sure...those were the key players on Thomkals side, and we may have just broken this game wide open

I meant more good, dark, nuetral then the actual factions. But yes, both prove a point

Well all I can say is we definitly seem to have sides drawn. Blade seems to be teaming up with Tyrith and Lonestargirl and his fate will lie with their's it appears.

Good or bad, we have battle lines drawn for the next few days.

I'd like to know who the Seer is as well. It's not me. If I knew who the Seer was, and had actual proof (such as Blade suggested), I could help that person stay in the darned (I hate the ban on foul language) game, so that we can win this thing.

No, my fate lies tied to thomkal

I have no idea if tyrith and LSG are good or bad, so dont group me with them. My fate, like was stated soo many times today is now intertwined with thomkal. And i will have him dead, if its the last thing i do. His death will either clear 4 people tomorrow, or 3 tonight if he is killed, or damn at least 3-4 tomorrow in the lynch. That is far more valuable then a heavily untrusted seer claiming who he scans everynight, becoming more untrusted by the second with every breathe he still breathes.

you seem content to be grouping me with people that I don't know anything about, so why can't I do the same? :)

If you want to, feel free. If thomkal comes up good, ill be happy to take them with me. If he comes up bad, i hope your ready to go down with your group as well

Group away my suddenly threatened friend

I don't feel threatened at all actually. Unlike you I don't know everyone's roles and allegiances so I guess it will be fun to find out who's right or wrong. :)

As much fun as it would be to get into round 5 here with you, I think I'm going to save my ulcers for the night and just hold off to see what the day brings tommorrow. :)

I'm sure we will be talking more tommorrow. :)

I doubt it highly, i dont have much to discuss with you. I have my suspect, i have him red-handed, and i have a pretty good idea of his teamates. Tomorrow will be rather anti-climactic for me id imagine after today, as it would take an act of god to get me to lynch someone else(or thomkal or my death tonight, those might prevent that from happening):)

Language, tsk tsk

So which is it? I'm on his team, or I'm a good guy who was easily swung?

I think they'd be crazy not to kill him, but the wolves don't always kill the guy I think is the obvious choice.

Well, you sure haven't broken it open with me. I've been around too many mistaken lynches of the seer to take a chance on it. I assure you, I had the interests of the village at heart. I'm not so sure about the people who held firm.

To start working on his friends, id love Mr. W to explain his actions. I can see why grammat did what he did, and ill discuss it tomorrow. But Mr. W not only swapped off, he then swapped like 4 more times back and forth between canidates like a game of pinball.

ummm how was I a key player on Thomkal's side

My initial move onto Thomkal came before I'd read his reveal. Once I read it, I moved off immediately. I went onto Tyrith because I was quite annoyed with how he was playing the reveal, and I'm still convinced that his approach and justification was wrong (although his move may yet prove to have been right). I went back to ntndeacon because it was clear that Tyrith wasn't going to draw votes and I wanted to give a late move off of Thomkal a chance of getting an actual lynch.

If your on his team you would be easily swung, and you were about as easy as it gets. You not only didnt ask him a single question about his role reveal before you swapped, you actually spent the time immediately after the role reveal attacking me and my credibility. You were by far his best friend today, make no mistake about it.

Your just settting it up to explain why you wont kill him tonight. Maybe because he is your teamate!

Do you really expect everyone to believe you after your actions in support of thomkal today? You should do what lathum did in football, and just accept the fact your ship is sinking.

I said not sure..i meant sublime, the player who was around to swap and didnt(and whose vote would have meant a lynch for us)

:confused:

I guess I'm being ridiculously dense, but the only person I was grilling was Torgo.

ay yayy yayyy

my head hurts. i'm observing but i literally have a pounding headache.

I'll expect an apology when it's shown that you're mistaken.

You went from NTN to thomkal, thomkal to NTN, NTN to tyrith, then tyrith back to NTN. You skipped part 2.

You were setting it up for a swap from the get to. You swapped your vote 1 minute after you swapped to thomkal(ironicaly almost the same time thomkal comes in a makes him claims). This is what you say:


Note the bold part in the reasoning, you were setting it up to change from the get go...you just had to wait for your partner to make his claims.

I understand the lack of trust on me by some folks by my not posting a lot early. I have a way to overcome that animosity I would imagine in some of my fellow Breeians minds.

Page 31, the page with the reveal and your voting maze...look at your posts. Besides the votes, and before the reveal, all posts on that page are in response to me and are against ideas i posted. Now, they werent attacking i noticed, so i apologize for word choice. But grilling torgo is not what i see around the thomkal reveal.

If it weren't for Anxiety's strictures about language, I would have a colorful term for my opinion of your reasoning.

NTN, i voted for izulde becuase i think your good. They think your too quiet, and after you worked with Alan and i to reach victory in football i know this is just how you play. What should throw up a flag is that Alan cant seem to remember that when he votes you.

And i would have colorful term for how pulled the rug out from under us today

When thomkal comes up good i will apologize, you have a written promise from me

Well I hoped we might get early results tonight, but I can't stay awake any longer. I'm sure I won't be waking up in the game, so good luck to the good side.

No, the apology is for impugning me, not Thomkal. I think it's a reasonable (not necessarily probable, but reasonable) possibility that you're right about Thomkal.

Anyway, about the whole me arguing with you bit...


This is supposed to be "Besides the votes, and before the reveal, all posts on that page are in response to me and are against ideas i posted"?

I mean, factually, you're right, but the implication that I was somehow at odds with you is absurd.

I have some idea of something else that might be hinted at.

Anyway, forget the whole apology thing, I was a little hot under the collar. Sooner or later, you'll see that I'm on the side of light and the villagers. Hopefully later, not sooner.

Ill gladly die tonight if it will aid the village. I have no powers with which to help, only my instincts, and those are well documented now. If my death will help thomkal get lynched, then i hope i die tonight

Even if everybody pm'd me their night actions, I would still to around 3:30 am in case people wanted to changed. There will be no early night processes.

no sense in me staying up then

Yup, im off to bed...cheers yall

This is a very dangerous assumption. It means that if he's good they could let him live through tonight and use it to screw with us tomorrow.

Hopefully they will learn of my UTR style as well :)

that was my worry when i read it too.

Very dangerous, but so was the swap onto him in the first place. You have to take big risks to get big rewards..granted, its certainly a ploy they could use if hes good. I was convinced before all the late drama, and after? i dont have a doubt in my mind. So i have a hard time seeing him being good and being set up by the wolves as an option with how set on him being bad i am

I don't discount the idea totally, but if I were making the decision there, I would think that the negatives of that strategy would outweigh the positives.

(Obviously, I have incomplete information in that I don't know the sides of any of the other major players besides myself, and I could imagine that playing into it as well.)

Any weirder than claiming that he did scan me? I didn't vote for him, so what good does it do him to come out saying that he scanned me and I'm good? It's not like he could convince me to change my vote against him.

Now that is a very interesting point.

Why do you need this information? What good does his name and role do you?

The drama. The drama. The drama.

It definiteyl sucks that something like tonight happens when I can't change my vote.

so who got lynched tonight?

nevermind I see what happened now

no one. we failed by 1 vote to reach the necessary majority after Thomkal made a late reveal (questionable in thruthfullness) as our seer to save himself after blade, swaggs and i had led a late ( ~1 hour to deadline) switch onto him

dola

Thom's late reveal caused grammaticus and Mr. weds to switch off him and thus saved his neck.