Damn, this election is nuts.

I thought the tape was going to do Donald in, but I'm now re-thinking that now if this debate continues this way.

Has anyone in his campaign told Donald what a Senator does?

LOL....exactly what I was thinking. These references that a single senator can just change all sorts of laws by themselves is hilarious.

Trump is making Clinton look terrible.

I know all you head in the sand followers believe Clinton is winning. But Trump is taking it to her.

I love how she says "Go to my site and check the facts." LOL. Yeah, Im going to a liars site to find truth? That is so funny.

Eh, that was probably a fairly effective answer. ("Yeah, she hasn't done anything about it!")

But are the masses smart enough to even know any better?

Trump rattled HRC on the emails, but she handled the "what have you been doing for 30 years" attack pretty well.

Nope.

Bingo. No they aren't. It doesn't matter what she says as long as he speaks last and hits his points no matter if they are based in fact or not, as long as they sound good.

Well, she wrote the whole tax code so he can not pay income tax. She's pretty powerful.

I'm not a Trump supporter or a Clinton supporter, but yeah, Trump has her flustered and has provided a lot of good line. He's neutralized her by using her own leaks, decisions, and even Bill's stuff.

Remember, this isn't about keeping the Trump supporters or the liberals, but winning the independent and moderate voters that will swing this election. I think this race closes right back up. But don't argue with liberals--they have their heads in the sand (except Michael Moore).

Also, people are going to see the media questions as well, which works into Trump's favor.

yeah, try downloading reality. Trump is incoherent and yelling random things at random times "ISIS! SENATOR! MUST REPORT! I WILL JAIL MY OPPONENT"

edit: when he's not sniveling that the moderators are actually calling him on his bullshit.

So its ok if she lies but not him? You guys are awesome.

They are both liars, I think that is pretty obvious to most people with a brain.

Wait the Iran deal was awesome. Right? Right? Oh wait, HRC had nothing to do with that. Trump is just yelling "IRAN, IRAN" I get it.

Yes, yes they are. But to the masses here, HRCs lies are ok. Trumps, not so much.

"I haven't talked to my running mate and I disagree with what he said."

Trump won't be (can't be) off the ticket, but is there a legitimate chance Pence drops off and is replaced? Maybe by Rudy since he's the only one left in his corner?

Is the moderator debating Trump at this point?

"What do you think will happen if Aleppo falls."
"I don't know anything about Aleppo."

Also, is Trump saying the US can take over a city from ISIS just by saying we're going in and that's a bad thing?

Or, or, it could just be that my automechanic is as qualified to solve international crises as Trump.

Wow

And the people who don't have the blinders on see this. Point for Trump. Zero for Media and Clinton.

I wonder if Pence drops.
He is in a tough spot.

I just don't know how anyone can watch this, even Trumps ardent supporters and come to any conclusion other than Trump is a pumpkin with a marshmallow brain. Thus guy couldn't lead my dog around the block.

He is a smaller brained President Camacho.

Because HRCs track record is so awesome.

How is this a point for Trump? How will this get him the undecideds and moderate voters, particularly the educated suburban women he needs, to vote for him?

Bill Walsh is a horrible coach because he lost 63 games.

The fact that he keeps recycling the same lines from the first debate and frankly he keeps recycling the same lines from earlier in the debate. He's having his own Rubio moment.

He deserves most of it, and the whining is annoying, but the 3v1 look isn't good. Who decided after other debates the answer was adding a 2nd moderator?

EDIT - I think part of the difference is style between Cooper & Martha Raddatz. He is used to this cross-talk and interrupts without appearing to badger, while she comes off like she's trying to talk over them, which was noticeably bad on those two questions.

She was trying to get him to say something that related to the question that was asked.

Fuck. John Wooden lost 162 games in his career. How did he keep a job for so long?

So either Trump defended Assad and Putin or he just doesn't know what the fuck is going on in Syria.

Major rumors swirling in real time, right now that @mike_pence has asked 2 be removed from the Presidential ticket. Historic Wow. #debate

— Steve Clemons (@SCClemons) October 10, 2016

She at least knows the basics of how our government works and what is happening around the world.

Like I'm not a fan of hers. She's a career politician. But she can tell me what is happening in Syria and how health care systems function. Some fairly basic requirements for the leader of the free world to understand.

Why are you even watching the debate. You already mailed your ballot in for Trumo I assume?

This is an interesting demographic. How offended were they really by Trumps lockerroom comments?

I remember when Iowa Football coach called the women his "Little dumplins" Oh boy, all the liberals were up in arms. While all the women outside of the 10 square miles of fantasy that is Iowa City were proud to be his little dumplin.

Not equating What he said to calling women little dumplins. But are these women really going to be that offended by this talk? Sure they may not like to hear ir. But wont they realize it is lockerroom talk and realize it isnt something he has done in reality?

You're not a woman, so you have no fucking idea how they feel about it or how it offends them.

Trump is winning the primary debate tonight.

I think Trump has an idea how the economy works. More so than a career politician.

And I believe Trump will surround himself with some qualified people. More so than HRC.

And I like the idea of privatizing health care. If it aint free, make it affordable.

Not at all. I just like to see HRC squirm. And chuckle at the dounle standard in this thread.

Am I being paranoid, or is Trump dropping Sidney Blumenthal's name a lot as an anti-semitic dogwhistle?

And I never said I did. I just wonder if its the liberals squalling about words when they let actions slide many years ago. And its not that big a deal to actual suburban women.

Good to know you are invested in the country's future!

Well, it's actually polling data. But, you know, your anecdotal thoughts matter!

Completely. My choice is the only adult in the election.

I haven't taken it that way, I just don't think he can remember that many names or talking points. I'm sure there are much more Jewish sounding backers of HRC coming out of the NYC money circles they both ran in.

HRC's Supreme Court answer is helping Donald with the nose-holders. We'll see if Trump drops the ball in his response.

Link please

He is the one proposing a 45% tariff on Chinese imports. He has no clue how the economy works. Being a pretend successful businessman on TV does not make you one in real life.

You can't privatize the health care industry. Even Reagan understood that.

Why cant you privatize health insurance? Im really curious. Because I dont know.

He barely even addressed the Court in his answer.

Here.

The debate seems pretty boring ... which works to Trumps favor. Hillary hasn't been able to get much under his skin IMO.

He's really has no clue how to formulate a thought does he. It's all sound bites. There's no substance there at all.

No one is going to offer insurance to someone who has cancer. No one is going to offer insurance to someone born with a genetic defect.

That and we don't want people dying because they can't afford the costs of closest emergency room when they are having a heart attack.

ftw

That is all the stuff he said. I was loking for a link about suburban women being offended and not voting for him.

But thanks for that. Now Im part of the millions that are fact checking on a liars site. You made me part of her statistics. :)

Tarcone, you use liberal in every one of your posts like it's a shameful slur. I'm proud to be liberal. At least I have the good fucking sense to not vote for the least qualified person to ever run for president for a major party in the history of this country under the guise of "he knows about the economy" because he's had multiple businesses declare bankruptcy.

And I also had the good sense not to watch this debate when my vote is already decided and there is football and/or poker on.

:thumbsup:

Okay. Legit on the preexisting. But couldnt the government step in?

As far as Hospitals, I think the whole system is rigged against you and me. I believe Big Pharma, Heralth Insurance and Health care is a big scam. I believe they keep costs high to make a profit.

So I dont believe a hospital couldnt afford to help someone.

Why is an ambulance ride cost $500? Why does an epi pen cost $600? Why does a bottle of insulin cost hundreds of dollars?

Dying laughing ....what do you have positive to say about one another....hmmm...I respect his children LMAO.

This debate won't move the needle for anyone at all. One person talking about what they will do, and the other saying whatever thoughts happen to pop into his head.

Wait, Tiffani Trump didn't get to sit in the family box?

There are major rumors swirling that Mike Pence is actively seeking a way to leave the ticket, and also weighing how Trump could be removed.

Was reading the comments on this, a pretty fun one="Quick, someone tell Anderson Cooper's ear piece"-that might be the topper of the night if he reported that his running mate just dropped out.

Trump is not leaving the ticket. And no one in the GOP has the balls to stand up to him. Ted Cruz, a man who Trump insulted his wife, claimed his Father was part of an assassination of JFK, and called a liar every single day, was phone banking for him.

And Im happy you are proud to be a liberal. Good for you. And smart move not watching.

And I think you are missing the boat on Trump. Its not about what he knows or doesnt know. Its about "insider vs. outsider" Or the perception of this.

HRC is THE ultimate insider. While Trump comes across as THE outsider.

Im not voting for either. I just love the double standard that this thread has become. And I love watching HRC get punched in the balls, as it were.

Trump can't be removed.

If Pence wants to leave his name would still be on a lot of ballots but I'm not sure what could stop him from doing so. It would be a little opportunistic after he had his very good VP debate performance, but the scandal timing gives him enough of a smokescreen I think he could pull it off.

See this what Im talking about. Trump said a lot about what he would do. But all you heard was him "popping off"

Admittedly, I can't believe I watched that entire thing. However I will say the last answer seemed like the only genuine, legitimate answer I heard the entire night.

Now I am just waiting for the next audio tape, email and/or video that will be coming in the next few days that is going to contradict something they asserted as not true.

I think Trump dissing Pence will end up being the story of the debate.

In the second half of the debate, Trump was much better than the first debate and the first half of this debate. But that's from ground zero of a starting point.

What about HRC shaming the women Bill raped? Oh wait, talk is so much worse than action. LOL.

Probably. I think because it stirs up the drama of Pence dropping out.

But I think the biggest story is Trump saying he's going to lock up Clinton if he wins. That's shit you see in 3rd world countries.

Asked my wife that - looked like she had to come around from the back along with in-laws, etc.

Ask Minnesota how Ventura worked out for them. Her political experience puts her head and shoulders above him as far as dealing with problems in the world. Trumps advisors are going to need a speak n say to educate him on every single matter at the most base educational levels.

Trump may have won, but like someone said earlier, he's straight playing to his base and nothing beyond.

Seems like a debate that won't move the needle much.

Probably a net benefit for Trump in that it will change the conversation from his locker-room-talk tape. And he did not implode, so I don't think that the GOP will pull the plug on supporting him.

One thing I did notice--early on, Cooper got Trump to state that he never sexually assaulted anyone. Trump tried to get out of saying it. If Clinton's team has any proof that he has, we'll see that proof sometime soon.

So is Hilary.

I agree. But I think Trump knows his base may not come out an dvote like they did in the primary if he doesnt flame HRC. That was what stirred up his voters in the 1st place. The us against them rhetoric. If he doesnt play to that he will lose a lot of his folowing. Just for the fact that they will stay home.

Everything is a disaster, I'm going to fix all of that, we're going to make everything so much better than she will. The moderator re-asked an entire question because after 2 minutes he didn't answer 1 thing related to it. This his answer completely blasted Pence, but he didn't expand on it at all. Super broad generalizations, no concept of what it actually takes to accomplish things, no concept of global geopolitical strategy, and idea that a single Senator wields all power in the Senate. I mean the list just goes on and on.

Thank you.

Ballots are largely (completely?) closed by this late date. Several states (4, IIRC) have already begun early voting, literally ballots already cast.

It was sheer silliness to suggest HRC was coming off the ballot around her fainting spell/collapse/whatever it was, it's even sillier today about Trump simply because there's even more logistical issues.

Short of literal death, these are the two candidates in November.

Totally agree that if he doesn't play to them that he loses them. He has no choice, they've got him by the balls.

And he blasted her on her terrible foreign policy and economy record. And she had nothing.

Trump is not a stupid dude. I know you liberals think he is and I think that will be your downfall. Trump knows who he is playing too. And he is a master at playing to the. He is a reality TV star and this the ultimate reality TV show.

this kelly mcenamy is bat shit crazy....i love her!

I think Trump would be a disaster, but I don't think that Jesse Ventura worked out that poorly for Minnesota. Part of it was working from outside either party, he put together a bipartisan and highly qualified cabinet that he allowed to work effectively. In the same manner he was highly praised by the legal community for his judicial appointments. There were some missteps, but he did manage to get some reforms passed, and did things like getting light rail started in the Twin Cities and actually investing the state's tobacco settlement money in endowments rather than using it for temporary budget fixes like some states.


Some of the reaction I've seen is that the GOP isn't going to be thrilled by.

Trump has made life more miserable for swing state GOPers who want to bolt on him. His base is going to LOVE this performance tonight

— Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) October 10, 2016

And Trump is playing more to his base than to any new voters he needs. Pat Toomey needs both swing voters and Trump's base.

— Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) October 10, 2016

the CNN talking heads are hammering the point that he said hes going to put Hillary in jail....pretty scary.

Wow. If he's running for class president, then yeah, he's totally winning. Trump tells us all the time how smart he is. I don't remember the last time that Stephen Hawking just belted out, "I'm the smartest dude on the planet," cause if that's a thing I want to find it and put it on repeat on my phone.

Generally, the guy spouting off about that it is trying to convince you for one reason or another.

The Clinton don't hold a "superiority" argument on the misogynistic behavior/abused of women. People don't live in the stone ages anymore when it comes to getting and sharing information with smartphones, Google, and social media. That's why the mainstream media has lost the influence and people view it with such caution and even distrust.

The NBC poll on PA today showed Clinton winning almost 2-1 with college educated whites. Romney easily won that demo four years ago.

And after blasting her record he showed that he, the guy who knows more than the generals, has no idea what's going on in Syria.

Bob Schieffer mentioned that as well and included the term "banana republic." He sounded generally disgusted about the whole affair.

I've had some trouble understanding the anger that Trump's supporters have for the establishment GOP. Then this weekend I watched the GOP D.C. insiders on Twitter all gleefully tweeting each other about how they were going to get to replace Trump and how the ballots didn't matter because you could just "free" the electors and then they could vote for whomever (i.e. the hand-picked candidate of the establishment). And certainly with no acknowledgement that voting for Trump has already started.

Then I understood. The contempt that the establishment GOP has for GOP voters is shocking. I disagree with their choice of candidate. But I would not think to change the rules of the election after it started just to make sure that their votes would not count.

If there's ever been a candidate worthy of "hung by the neck until dead", she's probably it.

The jail thing is nice scare tactics for the leftists, it's a wonderful warm feeling for Trump voters. Everybody wins apparently, since these circuses are nothign more than free red meat for existing supporters.

At this point though, it's also quite mutual in many camps. It just took a lot of voters a while to catch on & catch up.

Just as with the Pence debate, I expect the Clinton team to have a really solid ad out tomorrow morning that highlights his crazy first 30 minutes of the debate, whether it's the locker room talk to ISIS pivot, his overbearing walking or lingering in the background. That has a chance to live on from the debate. I don't think the Trump team has the same ability or material.

We should see the new polls--post-debate--around the end of this week?

How did our country fall so low?

How did Teddy Roosevelt work out? The problem isn't with the idea of an outsider, it's the specific populist messenger.

(And like others have said, both Ventura and Schwarzenegger had their foibles, but they didn't seem any worse than the average governor in those states.)
It's CNN's idea of fair & balanced... 5 qualified liberals, 1 crazy liberal, 1 crazy & clearly unqualified conservative. She does do her job of providing them with cannon fodder quite well though.Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite

Tell everyone their opinion matters equally, create echo chambers for each side, and here we are. #ReturnToElitism2020