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As of post 3301:
Lynch Zinto 1 - Raven (3229) The Jackal 1 - Narcizo (3264) Elections Yes 4 - Narcizo (3246), The Jackal (3260), Grover (3270), GoldenEagle (3277) No 4 - Raven (3229), Sharkn20 (3238), Thomkal (3282), Shoveler (3201) Actions Retrieve Communicator 1 - Raven (3229) Upgrade Research Center 2 - Sharkn20 (3237), Narcizo (3248) Design Upgrade Defense 2 - Grover (3251), The Jackal (3255) Explore Flatlands 0 Explore Heat Source 0 Explore Landing Site 0 |
Stepping away for a while to give my eyes a break.
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Raven - I'm not saying I don't agree with what you've been saying, but trying to force us into a 1 v 1 vote today probably isn't helpful. Maybe that's the way it will end up, and maybe that's a good thing - but unless you have 100% accurate information (i.e. a seer reveal that we trust) it just feels weird to be told that we better vote for X person otherwise we're a bad guy. |
Just explaining my previous post about not liking being given a "directive".
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I don't agree with this at this point in the game. What if you are both villagers? Is that not possible? |
@Narc and the group in general - I'm finding it difficult to consider people as I normally would without a firm grasp of how the groups are setup. Of course that is an intended wrinkle in this game, and that's fun - just I'm not anywhere near a place I feel confident about reading someone's actions/vote history as related to others as I might normally.
But then WW is often a crapshoot, unless you are Alan and nail all the wolves on D1. |
I understand why four of you do not hold elections. You're afraid of losing a lynch vote tomorrow.
However, have you considered that standing pat with our current leader is exactly what the opposition to this colony wants? We are stuck in the mud, spinning our wheels. We need to stand up for change. We need to fight back against the evil that lurks in the darkness, behind corners and among the shadows. Will you stand by while the current regime allows us to be slaughtered by the wolves? Or will you stand up and fight for your freedom. Fight to free yourselves from the terror of the wolves, the terror of the Seekers and the terror of the Resistance. We must be the ones to take this into our own hands. Thomkal's leadership has been doomed from the day he took control of the colony through Marshal Law and we have just stood by and accepted it. |
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Colonists are confused and don't know what to do, and The Resistance is trying to avoid a me vs Zinto lynch. No one has to vote me vs Zinto, but if you don't, someone WILL be lynched tonight anyway. You may as well base that lynch on SOMETHING. No one else has put their neck out there and suggested any other theories, so what else do any of you have to go on? |
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I am not going to spend 3 hours of my (real life) time quoting and tracking down any little seed of evidence. We're never going to find 100% solid DNA evidence. It would be a huge waste of my time. I've already posted my theory and facts that I have found. If you don't read them or address them, then I am certainly not going to spend the rest of my day trying to prove it to you or anyone else. And if you don't believe it, then fine, but what is YOUR theory? |
I don't think your "you voted for font so you're in the Resistance" theory holds up. I voted for font and I am not a member.
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I don't even understand your theory or your timeline Raven. It honestly seems like you have a vendetta against me for either a win condition or because I called into question the fact you were seriously injured and were not killed by the Angel.
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Raven's timeline doesn't even hold up. I don't understand when I was supposedly brought into the Resistance. |
I will even take it a step further. I will post the time stamps and post numbers of when Thom was elected and when I was still calling into question his leadership.
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Here I'll do half of that work for you.
Post 2190 Day 6 Results 2/25/2015 10:18 PM Quote:
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So The Resistance was formed sometime between Day 6 and Night 7. CR was the first victim of The Resistance. |
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I did too and I'm not part of the Resistance - that's at least 3 of us that have said so in the thread. |
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Sorry if you have answered this already, but why do you feel that is the case? |
@Raven At this point I'm not trying to argue with you, or call you out, just responding to you calling my earlier post BS. I'm trying to work things out here just as others are and people being over the top doesn't help, in my experience.
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Here is the day Seven results it is post 2190 at 10:37 PM Wednesday Night. Quote:
Here is my first anti-Thom post. It was in response to the poem I stole from the night before. It is post 2243 at 10:27 AM Thursday Morning. Quote:
This post was in response to Grover talking about Thom taking a role when he didn't have a personal goal. It is post 2244 at 10:29 AM. Quote:
Here is more anti-Thom stuff. Post 2245 at 10:32 AM. Quote:
And here is me quoting my posts that were anti-Thom the day before. Post 2248 at 11:07 AM. Quote:
Here is a response to Thom saying he won't lynch Font if we vote for her. Post 2412 at 5:06 PM Quote:
And here are the results for that day. If you subscribe to Raven's theory I and all the other resistance were at least not brought together at 5:00 PM or five hours before the deadline. That would be crazy. Why would that be the case instead of at deadline the night before as everything changed? |
Zinto being thrown in prison when the resistance was theoretically formed - certainly possible that opened up that choice for him afterwards.
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Just for future reference Raven after the game this is the sort of thing wolves love. Unless you're a wolf deflecting attention in which case you rock.
Either there's one guy left in the Resistance in which case there's no one trying to save Zinto if he is the Resistance. Or there's more and we're boned because if the wolf teams are symmetrical that makes 3 truth seekers, 2 Resistance and a patridge in a murdering pyscopathic tree. And 5 colonists. If we can move on my new theory is that the wolves have been hanging back with their votes. I noticed a reluctance on most people's part to vote so I shall potentially be adjusting my vote according to that. |
Anyone can go back and use the post numbers to check what I posted. I honestly do not think or understand why the Resistance would have been created so late in the day and then have a night kill that night.
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Well, it's possible that the leader of the resistance was dormant (but self-aware) prior to that and Thomkal getting elected triggered it. |
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There's the thought process that one, or all of us are lying. There's also the thought that what if font was the ONLY member of the Resistance? I highly doubt this is likely, but it was she who was ousted from control of the colony. I am going to continue to push for everyone to vote for new elections. I have a hunch that the current regime could be working against us to achieve their own means. Stop being subservient. Put the elections in. |
Grover - Suicane was in the Resistance.
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Why haven't you elected a new person to the police force Thom?
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Yeah but this is 5 PM the next day after Thom was elected. Also, Font was the leader so that would be odd for her to be dormant before Thom being elected. |
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He keeps saying things like his enemies aren't letting him. I'm curious what that means too? |
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Ah yes, the Cunning. |
So, trying to focus my thoughts here. We've got 11 people left;
2 dead known resistance 1 dead known truth seeker -- If we posit that each group has 3, that would leave: 1 resistance 2 truth seeker 1 rogue murderer -- Leaving us 7 villagers. Does that sound potentially right? Am I missing anything? (under the assumption that it was 3 v 3 v 1 v stowaway vs village) |
About the voting tallies - I think there might be a random chance based on your social ability that you get a double vote. I believe Eagle said that the social ability has a chance of increasing the vote. For me that takes a lot of the goodwill I had for Shark but he did come off as villager last night.
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Looking at the signup post was super helpful, admittedly I haven't done that in a couple of days
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Why did Golden Eagle have the duke ability? It seems odd to me that we essentially don't have any other villagers with role abilities without being appointed into a role of prominence or being voted into one.
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That's sort of where I've landed. I think 3 with a cunning and a brutal wouldn't be too much of a stretch, with 2 neutrals in the mix. |
At the moment I'm leaning Zinto - voting for CF became too easy because of how he acted. Easy to bury a vote there and claim it was because he was wacky.
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unvote Jackal
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To be fair he didn't have a huge amount of choice - Crimson or Shark. If Shark is village then Crimson is the safer vote admittedly - better to nail a neutral than a villager. Zinto has pretty much drifted apart from the opposition to Thomkal though and his voting looks a bit reactive. |
Did Raven not vote yesterday? Is your vote count right Narc?
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I am always a bit reactive.(I might not be good at reading people unfortunately) |
Why didn't you vote last night Raven?
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The tally at the bottom is a direct quote from Eagle's tally. |
I am leaning toward Shark - I don't trust the way he's played, even as a newcomer like myself. Something seems amiss about it.
I am also leaning toward Thomkal. There is something untrustworthy about his rise in leadership and everything that has happened since. |
REMEMBER: Thomkal decided to put font on trial and absolved her.
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I am not sure why I had the duke ability or how I was able to acquire it. But its not like it is something you can be elected to. Plus, there has to be a seer out there because otherwise the cunning role wouldn't have been created. |
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Fair point |
Golden how did you get the duke?
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Also fair. |
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Wait, so did you have it from D0 or did you acquire it mid-game? |
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OOC: I have played WW once. It was in 2005 (WW IV or V). I was a wolf in that game - I was one of 2 remaining wolves in that game, and we won. Although that was a long time ago, I did go back and reread the thread, my PMs remaining from that game, and recall the big picture and some of the details about it. Being a wolf in that game, I realize that wolves must be manipulative at times, UTR at times, and understand some voting patterns (and how wolves can also manipulate voting patterns). That does not make me an expert, or anywhere as experienced at this game as most of you, but I do understand the dynamics of it. I also realize that colonist vs colonist is ideal for wolves. |
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I don't think there is a true seer out there. I am pretty sure we have a seer who's role is to find the Angel(Shoveler) and anyone elected to the police force who is in the scanner role. It was JAG but we haven't had anyone since. |
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But Zinto also voted for CF when it was vs GE. If GE turns out good that's not necessarily a bad vote, just trying to think where votes could be easily hidden because that's always a voting tactic by wolves. Something that's easy to explain away. |
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Too be fair thus far my only votes are CF and Shark. |
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And I can get behind a shark vote. Retroactively votes for CF don't look bad since he wasn't aligned with the village necessarily, however voting for him (anyone who did, not just you) would be a way to hide a vote, in my mind. |
And I made a case why I thought CF might be the Angel. I didn't vote him for being CrimsonFox
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How would I have known he was neutral? Yeah it looks better than a villager but how would I have come to the conclusion he was neutral. |
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I already said I acquired it mid-game. I suspect all roles were done this way. It could be a game mechanic or I was just randomly chosen as the duke. It is a shame I had to use it first day and duked to the leader of the faction that was doing all the killing only to have Thomkal over-turn it. I honestly think my role was created to have a sort of check and balance and to prevent someone from over-stepping authority. But I have accepted Thomkal's reasoning and I don't think we need to go down the path of lynching him yet. |
Sorry GE, and really everyone if we/I are making you repeat stuff, but this has been a beast of a thread. :)
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This is not entirely accurate. "someone" suggested putting font up for trial (GoldenEagle) and Thomkal weighed the evidence and absolved her. |
Hmmm... I find it odd that a role was handed out like that. Do we even know that other roles have been dealt to villagers? I'd actually think it might be a check and balance for the Angel - but luckily for you you were in jail when fonti was killed. I think.
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Right right. But he was pretty clear that he wouldn't put her on trial if given the choice. |
Should be a question mark after (GoldenEagle?)
I am failing at pre-post editing today. |
That's to Golden.
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No problem. Thread is massive. I just wanted to say "I already said..." so I wouldn't be accused of changing my story. |
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I think the same thing. It doesn't make sense to me to have a duke role just handed out this game. It has seemed so far that every other role corresponds to a job in the colony. |
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vote grover above is my reason |
I honestly feel there's enough question marks about Thomkal to warrant a re-election. I'll have to leave you soon and will say that the last hour has been fin. I've missed being a part of a dialogue instead of a monologue. And sorry if I sounded condescending Raven.
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vote Thomkal
Now his leadership has been challenged and he grows uneasy. He does not wish to hold elections because he does not want to lose his grip of power over the colony. Our leader is hiding something much more than being a 'retired' General. |
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Yes, GE duked to font after we voted to lynch him. |
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Well that's a crap reason then. It shows self-interest rather than an interest in finding the wolves. |
Thom I'd like to hear a bit more than a reactive vote to an RP post when there's more than just Grover who want a re-election. Maybe all of us don't echo the "doomed" language, but..
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I don't know if any other villagers have roles. And I would prefer any potential seer to step forward and say "look at me, I am the seer!". |
As of post 3371:
Lynch Zinto 1 - Raven (3229) Grover 1 - Thomkal (3365) Thomkal 1 - Grover (3367) Elections Yes 4 - Narcizo (3246), The Jackal (3260), Grover (3270), GoldenEagle (3277) No 4 - Raven (3229), Sharkn20 (3238), Thomkal (3282), Shoveler (3201) Actions Retrieve Communicator 1 - Raven (3229) Upgrade Research Center 2 - Sharkn20 (3237), Narcizo (3248) Design Upgrade Defense 2 - Grover (3251), The Jackal (3255) Explore Flatlands 0 Explore Heat Source 0 Explore Landing Site 0 |
Also, Thom why have you not appointed members to the government?
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Yes this has been asked a few times today and if you've answered it I missed it. What has prevented you from appointing new people to the police force, etc? |
vote shark
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For now.
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He hasn't had the chance until today - if you look at the day start options given by Eagle. |
It is no doubt going to be more of us "I have nothing I can reveal until later" rhetoric.
Dictator Thomkal is starting to wear thing with the lack of substance and transparency in his leadership. Granted, I know what I am saying sounds like Revolutionary talk, but I am a humble villager looking out for the best of the colony. Thomkal seems much more interested in protecting his own interests rather than the interests of all of us. |
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I did-that person was killed along with the rest of the police force, some thankfully. |
Vote yes to elections
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Ahhh. Is NTN already a member of the medical team? Why wasn't he appointed yesterday if not? |
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Ahh, thanks. |
vote Zinto
Nothing hugely negative against him but I feel I have valid reasons for not voting a lot of people and I'm getting a panicky wolf vibe from him at the moment. For the record I think he's more likely Truth Seeker than Resistance. |
There has to be ramifications if we lynch the leader. I am not saying we can't go down that path, but today is not the best day to do that. Elect a new leader and then lynch him if we still want to do that.
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No offense taken. This is game, and I don't necessarily think that peoples actions here are 100% reflective of their real personalities (myself included). EF has built a complex game here. We all realize that. Maybe my actions the past 24 hours may have seemed like a dumb bull-rush for Zinto, but I've thought it through. There were multiple layers to my actions, and I am not simply acting crazy. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean they will play out the way I thought it could, but at the very least I think I've stirred the pot a bit and gotten some new discussion going, and helped establish where some people stand on certain things... |
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I am willing to change my vote. It was reactionary to his voting for me simply because I am speaking out against his totalitarian regime. He has tried to elect the wrong people to positions and some of them have thankfully wound up dead. We cannot continue to allow our leader to make such grievous errors in judgment. |
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I think I was already appointed to the medical facility right after the facility was built. |
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Grover did you not say yourself that you voted for font and were completely fooled by her ending up as the leader of the resistance? So why can't I have been completely fooled too? Because I was. |
As of post 3388:
Lynch Zinto 2 - Raven (3229), Narcizo (3383) Grover 1 - Thomkal (3365) Thomkal 1 - Grover (3367) Sharkn20 1 - The Jackal (3375) Elections Yes 5 - Narcizo (3246), The Jackal (3260), Grover (3270), GoldenEagle (3277), ntndeacon (3380) No 4 - Raven (3229), Sharkn20 (3238), Thomkal (3282), Shoveler (3201) Actions Retrieve Communicator 1 - Raven (3229) Upgrade Research Center 2 - Sharkn20 (3237), Narcizo (3248) Design Upgrade Defense 2 - Grover (3251), The Jackal (3255) Explore Flatlands 0 Explore Heat Source 0 Explore Landing Site 0 |
I think it is weird how GE attained his duke ability compared to how most of the roles have been given out.
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Vote Golden Eagle
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OOC: I am enjoying this immensely and it is a pleasure to play this game with all of you.
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5 way vote.. fun
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Perhaps you got it when you worked on the research group after saying you had some agenda? (not secret project so I don't get called on that again) And that last sentence is probably the "nicest" thing you've said to me all game I think :) Almost makes me regret jailing you...almost :) |
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I'm also enjoying this and hope the momentum continues, I'll be happy to run a game next. It won't be quite this complex, I swear. I don't know where EF finds the time, haha. |
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Well since my roll is already in the open I'll comment on this. I did not start with my ability. It was given to me (and subsequently used) on the day I roughed up CR. I think that was day 2 or 3. |
I was given a night action a couple days ago. (Thursday to be exact) This was due to my suspecting Timmae was an identity thief. I also was a little leery of him due some earlier discussion that day. So I injected him with a syringe to weaken him by a lot. Clearly, the addition of him being interrogated was enough to kill him.
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Interesting. Was there any flavor to you getting that role? |
As of post 3396:
Lynch Zinto 2 - Raven (3229), Narcizo (3383) Grover 1 - Thomkal (3365) Thomkal 1 - Grover (3367) Sharkn20 1 - The Jackal (3375) GoldenEagle 1 - Zinto (3391) Elections Yes 5 - Narcizo (3246), The Jackal (3260), Grover (3270), GoldenEagle (3277), ntndeacon (3380) No 4 - Raven (3229), Sharkn20 (3238), Thomkal (3282), Shoveler (3201) Actions Retrieve Communicator 1 - Raven (3229) Upgrade Research Center 2 - Sharkn20 (3237), Narcizo (3248) Design Upgrade Defense 2 - Grover (3251), The Jackal (3255) Explore Flatlands 0 Explore Heat Source 0 Explore Landing Site 0 |
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What do you mean by flavor? |
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