Dola - I might be back before deadline but I'll be picking my kid up at 7PM EST and we are going to the park after that. Then it will be time for dinner. If I'm able to log on for a couple of minutes prior to deadline I'll try to do it. But controlling the schedule of a two year old is at least as hard as controller the votes of villagers.

This game has suggested I'm not as good at the latter as I would like to think.

hmm, no traction on Autumn.

Unvote Autumn
Vote Hoops

PF -4 Autumn (3183), DT (3220), Hoops (3258), CR (3264)
Hoops-4 Dubb ( 3240), PF ( 3256), Saldana ( 3259), Lathum (3302)



no vote: Poli

I'm out until after deadline. Have training tonight from 7-8.

I've got a sinking feeling that it really does not matter where Poli puts his vote. But hopefully I'm wrong and he makes the right call.

Later, all.

just about 7pm and I gotta say im okay with my vote being on pf and even more with the other people who are on pf with me. so if you 3, or 2 of you are wolves then you've earned it. but I don't think that's the case

I do not think Poli is a wolf, not with his Telle crusade.

And I do not think anyone currently on PF is a wolf.

That means, if the three wolves guess is correct, we have all three of those wolves currently on hoops.

So...

If you are a villager AND on hoops, you are the only one. You are the only person with the ability to ensure today's result. And right now, you're on the wrong person.

And Lord help us if Poli votes hoops.

This party sucks.

I worry I'm being led to the slaughter with hoops and CR. I worry that autumn is doing the same. I worry that dubb is somehow mixed in with this as well.

I need to go read up more on PF.

Who do you think the 3 are?

saldana is the only one with a vouching, so I think I have to go with him. If it's two wolves, it's him and dubb, due to voting record, although I agree with the earlier assertion that we may not be able to depend on voting records, the way things have turned out (for instance, PB, clap and The Jackal all had awful voting records, and all were villagers).

It's not so much about who feels wolfish, as who I think we can eliminate. Thusly, whoever is left, no matter how seemingly unlikely, must be the wolves.

Well I must have missed the memo about training getting canceled b/c when I showed up I was the only one there and there was a memo on the conference room door that said it had been re-scheduled so I will be around for deadline it looks like.

saldana being the villager with respect to "go with him", I should clarify, with dubb probably next. By process of elimination, the rest must be wolves if I am right. But I haven't been right often in this game, so take it FWIW.

I know what I am right on right now, though, and that's that Poli and that villager get on PF, if we are to have a chance of pulling this one out.

umm, what?

so you think Saldana IS a wolf because he is vouched for?

Can you just list 3 names.

CR's posts are getting increasingly desperate. I think they know we have them all in our sights now.

Read to the bottom, slick.

Says one of the guys who is likely a wolf.

we posted at the same time, bub.

Easy there wolfy.

Then correct yourself.

gah

what are you talking about?

lol...getting confident, eh? You and PF and Lathum know what the deal is, and you know how important it is you get this lynch. You also know if you don't...you wolves are going down.

I guess you better hope Poli hasn't been paying attention. Or that saldana won't come back before deadline.

Saldana won't be back.

I agree with Dubb, CR stinks of desperation right now

Pretty clear if you read back through. I'm not going to hold the hand of a wolf anymore. You go figure it out yourself.

And you stink of fear. Fear Poli's going to see through your bull.

You're the only guy in this whole thing who doesn't have one bit of vouching or clearance to him. Just your word about some mysterious role you have, and how that's supposed to be some clear for you.

The fact you're on hoops should tell him everything he needs to know.

are you freaking kidding me?

I ask you to clarify something at the same moment you are, you make a snide comment then expect me to go back and correct myself?

Dubb, you are usually a more rational player than your posts so far today.

so Poli, where ya leaning?

I feel like I have known about Lathum for awhile now. But the rest of the villagers don't seem to want to explore it. I hope that we have the opportunity to do so tomorrow, assuming there is a tomorrow.

I don't expect you to do anything. You were asking me a question. I answered you. I had to clarify it. You have not responded to the clarified answer, just got chippy in your usual way. If you don't want to respond to my actual answer, fine. Since you're a wolf, it doesn't really matter what you think.

I feel like I'm getting played.

Had the same suspicions myself, but I'll admit I got tunnel vision on voting records. Figured he was going so hard at it, I would give him a pass. For crying out loud, he even voted a villager in his "mysterious role clear" move. And here we are, days later, and he's still around. Amazing huh?

It's a testament to the title under his name.

I got chippy because you told me to go correct myself so stop trying to make me look like the manufactured bad guy.

Me too.

Poli, you see how hard Hoops and CR are doing the old 1-2?

It's almost like they can chat on AIM and coordinate with each other

Is there really any doubt about that? There's a group here playing with you. You have to decide which.

If I were you, I would ignore anything here that isn't dealing with the facts. You know what's happened in this game, and can make your own informed judgment.

I won't lie, it's an absolutely critical decision, and it's not clear to you, how could it be. So I am going to rely on your instincts myself. I am hopeful you'll make the right choice.

Lathum, just try to be classy when you win tonight. K, thx.

Have i EVER. ONCE. gloated in this game or on either side won as a poor sport?

Ever?

I resent the implication that I would even think about doing that.

You got chippy when you responded with "are you freakin' kidding me?" to my response. What followed was from that. Sorry if I don't sit back and take your constant attitude like some sheep.

And in the context of this game, there is nothing manufactured about your badness.

Question to help me understand:

What's the reasoning for going with PF instead of Lathum?

Saldana, I believe i know that you're a villager. I can say that based on the same info that allows me to say that about CR and Hoops, and Jackal before that. I really think you're in the wrong crowd there.

Poli, the desperation to go after Hoops today by those who are on my distrust list speaks a lot to me. This is near endgame and suddenly we have three people I've targeted all going after the closest we have to a cleared villager. It's a little too neat, don't you think? They know they don't have the numbers to do anything else.

I think the wolves are going to have a lot to puff out their chests about when this day is done.

I think both of us have engaged in a little smack talk in the past and I would certainly expect some after this one is over.

That said, I'm really frustrated with how this game has played out. The last couple of days have been pretty exasperating.

I have been very rational, but it seems the choice is either I'm a wolf or you three are blowing smoke up my ass. I know I am not a wolf so I have been working and will continue to work with the assumption that you three are blowing smoke up my ass.

Poli, I thik that was somewhat manufactured by me. Hoops at least wanted to go Lathum and couldn't get a lot of traction. Lathum is on my border list, I was not sure at the beginning of the day where to put him and I think by tomorrow I may have a better idea so I suggested we go elsewhere today.

I was responding to your comment that was dripping with your usual condescending smugness.

What's the argument for PF then?

At this point, the fact that we aren't going to get enough movement to make it happen?

If I got my pick, it would have been Lathum today but Autumn did not want to go there because he was uncertain about his read on Lathum. And since Chief and I need allies to try and drum up a wolf lynch, we kind of took what we could get.

Honestly, I think we are running villager/villager at this point. But I don't think anyone on me is moving off so I think the villagers have to hope that Autumn's instincts were good on this one.

This is a rather disingenuous post. You've already suggested they have a Lovers-type role.

Right now, none, really, given a whole day to vote. PF still has a chance to be a villager. I don't think he has, but there's the slimmest of chances. I have no doubt about Lathum anymore.

Fact is, though, we're at end game, and if we try some massive switchover now, and even one player fails to join suit, we lose.

I've said for days that I think you are a villager.

You are not on the chopping block, so the either/or you are presenting is not close to the current situation.

He's the one on my list that I heard enough people saying they would vote for. He's one of the few players who has given no inkling of having any ability for the community. And the fact that we are split into such a tight race suggests that we have a wolf/villager runoff to me so I've stayed with him. If I had picked the wrong one I would have expected the wolves to jump right on him with me.

That came after your assholish response before, which I have already pointed out.

Well, we could potentially get a Lathum switch if people really feel strongly about it, based on the people in the room right now.

I really do think he is more likely to be a wolf than PF.

Autumn, if you think we have the right guy so be it.

I think we are screwed and the wolves are just leaving it locked to prevent an easy move to one of them.

I'm more tempted to go with Lathum.

you know what dude, if your gonna be a douchebag cocksucker at least be correct

Agreed. Although I do think there has to be at least two wolves, and PF is at least as likely as anyone else after Lathum to be one.

Are we still tied?

Well, DT is not around to make it a 5-4 switch. So the best we would have is a 4-4-1 play if we go with Lathum.

Unless he arrives for a late snipe again.

I just skimmed the last two pages and it looks like we are...

Oh great.

Lathum has certainly lessened my trust in him with the way he's pushed the vote tonight, yes. I feel like tomorrow will be a better time for him though. There's another wolf out of poli, dubb, pf and daddy. Maybe we've got the wrong one, but I've felt like we've been hearing desperation out of these guys.

I don't like the attempt to make a switch this late.

VOTE HOOPS

I have to go gut here.

Harsh :(

Cant...refresh...fast enough...lol.

I hate the "wait until tomorrow" stuff.

Really feels like my worst-case Autumn scenario might be coming in here. Which is a little disappointing considering how much pressure Danny put on no reveals/fakes over the last couple of days.

You're right, Lathum. I apologize for the snide comment.

It doesn't excuse you being your traditional asshole, but I am completely at fault for starting it.

jesus

That's got to be time.

at least you can admit your wrong

Show us the results, please.

Autumn + Saldana + ???

Hmm, I wonder about that Lathum Poli two step.

If hoops made me look bad then Kudos to him.

All I ask is he kills me tonight so I can go away and not have to come back to this.

If you die tonight it will not be by my hand.

I strongly suspect I will not be joining the rest of you tomorrow, assuming there is a tomorrow.

Hoops, I agree Lathum is acting wolf-like tonight, but I'm trying to go by something else. It's worked for most of you and unless can say someting to contest lathum's claims I have to go with it.

Two step? I sit here totally ignoring some stuff I need to take care of and you say I'm two stepping?

Bummer dude...

It looked to me like you guys had tied it up at the end, but I guess my counting was wrong.

This is probably end game.

I had a plan today, we'll see if it worked after the write up

Oh geez.

I do a lot actually (both being wrong and admitting to it). I have even done it a couple times in the last hour or so.

Frankly, you could do occasionally giving me more credit, instead of just believing the worst.

fuck yeah

HE SHOOTS HE SCORES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOOT

:devil: Go needies go

I have to say that makes Lathum look great and me look like crap.

WOW! Way to go, Autumn!

Villagers will have full votes tomorrow as well, which is pretty important.

Hopefully there is enough in today's vote to take it home, even if I'm not necessarily going to be along for the ride.

Sure does.

I'm very, very glad I stuck with my instincts here.

So my goal was to tie it up and force Poli to make a vote somewhere.

I was pretty sure Hoops/ CR were on the level and felt PF was a wolf.

I wanted to convince Poli there was no way I was switching to see where he went. If he went Hoops I could assume he was a wolf and switch over to still lynch PF.

I had to jump the gun a little because it took him so long and I didn't want to get shut out but he still went Hoops.

Awesome. Thank heavens.

And thank you, Lathum.