With the way the parties have sorted since 1984, a Mondale loss would be way worse than the actual Mondale loss.

While I think it's far far too early to say Trump is completely dead yet, and we're another Hilary leak away from this tightening back up, if he puts his foot in it a couple more times and the RNC does pull it's funding off the table, I don't see how he can possibly come back from that. He's rich, but I don't think he wants to put millions of his own money up and I still can't shake the nagging feeling he's doing this to try and make more money for himself in the long run.

Do you think Trump is cheering for the US in the Olympics? Cuts against the whole not winning anymore thing, right?

So what I don't understand about the polls, and let me know if I'm reading it wrong:

Every poll seems to have Obama with a solid favorability rating.

Every poll seems to have an extremely strong "country is on the wrong track" rating.

Every polls seems to have an extremely negative view of Congress.

I guess my question is, how is it that the Democrats do so poorly in Congressional elections if everyone thinks those people (majority Republicans) are doing an extremely horrible job?

Also, what does it say about Hillary if she struggles to win when most people like your sitting president and even more don't blame him for what's going wrong in the country?

It says that she is not an exciting candidate. She wasnt 8 years ago when she blew the democratic nomination and she isnt now. The only reason she is going to win is because of Trump. If Trump wouldnt have been involved a "normal" republican would have been nominated and probably have been able to exploit all of Hillary's flaws. As things are Trump got enough backing to get the nomination but turned enough people against him while doing it to leave the republicans in a lose/lose situation.

The year is 2016 and how Americans ended up with the choice of these two is sad. It gives American 4 years(2020) to basically start fresh and realize the flaws in the political system.

The Republicans knew all along that Trump wouldnt be able to gain enough support to win the election and tried to force another candidate but it just never caught fire.

Yep. Hillary would get killed by a charismatic moderate candidate. But, lucky for her, she got Trump. I think she will be a good President in the end.

I see a lot of status quo which isnt the worst thing in the world. Much better than Trump pissing off the world with his arrogance and react before thinking approach.

Isn't the problem that the Republicans didn't have a moderate candidate to run? All of them in the primaries tried to run to the right of Congress, which America hates and is controlled by their party.

That does seem to be their problem. Moderates have troubles making it through the primary stage because of the Tea Party and conservative purists. It must be a tightrope walk to avoid being primaried but still have appeal to the middle.

I heard on the radio that HRCs tax plan will break into 8 brackets. And she will raise taxes to the tune of a person making $91k will pay (Fed, state, city) 45%.

$5 million earners will pay close to 60%.

Is that right?

Depends on your state and city, I would assume.

Also, people always focus on income taxes, but payroll taxes and sales taxes and the big hit for a lot of people--especially lower income folks.

Basically, taxes are complicated.

No. They have to be just adding marginal rates, and likely in a way that pulls the highest possible marginal rates. But nobody pays anywhere close to the marginal rate, so it's meaningless. It's hard to find data for total taxation, but if you look at total federal taxes the Pete Peterson Foundation says the effective rate for the fourth quintile (78-138k) is currently 17%. State rates vary, but for that quintile they will be in the single digits. Hillary isn't proposing to double taxation for that group.

LOL. Congrats, that might be one of the ten most absurd comments in the history of the FOFC.

They could barely find anything to run OTHER than "moderates" (code for left wingers around here) and other eager to capitulate frauds. THAT is how Trump won the nomination, not failing to have a clown bus filled with worthless candidates that were effectively Ds. He won because he managed to come closest to illustrating basic common sense, in a field that displayed very little of it.

But hey, pat yourself on the back for revisionist history so close to the event I guess. Christ on a crutch, that was comedy gold.

I thought Jeb would eventually pull it out. That's who I predicted after Romney lost the last election, and who I swore would "have to win", using what I thought was common sense. Alas....no charisma and the Bush baggage did him in. Oh and Trump reminding everybody of both.

There really is a shift into radicalism afoot, I feel. And while it is very relative (and normative) to our societies, it isn't simply a middle eastern phenomenon. It is about swaths of people who feel left behind by their respective societies. Left to figure out their own paths. For those that do, it is invigorating and justly deserved. For those that don't, it is harsh and needs a bogeyman.

I think we're already at this point for reasons beyond taxation and politics. But we really do need to start having the dialog about what we expect to society to be, when we are controlled by so few. Especially as the walls of the few become taller and taller.

Man, this dude can talk out of both sides of his mouth like no other.

Trump Says Remark About Obama Being ISIS Founder Was 'Not That Sarcastic' - ABC News

LOL. And HRC doesnt?

Please. Stop with the liar remarks. HRC has got to be the biggest liar of any candidate to ever run.

Trump is more of speak of the cuff. With little governor.

HRC is a cold, calculating liar. She will say whatever you want to hear. Or bar the media from places where she doesnt want you to hear something.

What on earth does her untruthfulness have to do with the fact that this guy is a world-class buffoon who richly deserves every bit of mocking that he receives?

And HRC doesnt? Im tired of the double standard. You follow HRC like a sheep and believe every lie she spews forth. And then bash Trump for talking out of his ass. At least Trump believes what he says I certainly cant say that for HRC.

You know the old joke. How can you tell HRC is lying? He lips are moving.

One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just isn't the same.

:lol:

I think you need to report to the drunk guy thread.

But I would rather listen to someone who talks out of his ass and is honest about it, then someone who lies no matter what the situation.

Trump may say some stupid sh*t. But he believes it and he isnt trying to pander.

Yeah. I was going to post "I was using you, in a general sense".

I re-thought that after I posted.

Yeah, Ben is right. Drunk thread.

I think it does kind of go along that thought process. The old who would you have a beer with?

Trump is the dude that spouts out the non politically correct stuff in your crowd. Anywhere, anytime. Yeah, he can be embarrassing, but he can be right also.

HRC is the bitch that your buddies take turns banging. Until one of them starts dating her. But then he ends up with slashed tires, because of a perceived slight.

The truth (so far) behind the 2016 campaign | PolitiFact

I know people love the "Hillary is a liar" thing, but this chart shows that Trump is a much more frequent liar.

So, I guess, you are dating Trump? :confused:

Here's some of Trump's own words in sworn depositions.

In 2007, Trump was forced to face his own falsehoods. And he did, 30 times. - Washington Post

Nah. Trump is male. I do females. And I think he does too, based on his selection of hot wives.

I wouldnt date HRC. I would truly be afraid too.

LOL. Congrats, that might be one of the ten most absurd comments in the history of the FOFC.

But hey, pat yourself on the back for revisionist history so close to the event I guess. Christ on a crutch, that was comedy gold.

Nice words from the Jesus is love guy.

So very much win.

I don't want the people I drink beer with anywhere near foreign leaders or nuke codes.

Well, sure, I'd much rather listen to Trump than HRC. I got wayyyyyy more entertainment from listening to him than from listening to her. Granted, it's entertainment of the "pointing at him and laughing" variety, but hey, it's entertainment! However, if "would rather listen to" is the primary criterion, then I'd wayyyyyyyyyyyyy rather listen to Katt Williams than HRC or DJT.

But, uh, I wouldn't vote for Katt for POTUS.

Trump is unfiltered and does say what is on his mind but certainly doesn't mean its "honest". There's plenty of evidence of what he says is not true or just convenient at that point in time (contradicting past statements).

Hillary does the typical political half truths, incomplete answers, redirects etc.

I think the Hillary campaign has done a great job in blunting Trump. Obviously a lot of it is just taking opportunities when presented.

Looking like Hillary's email is the topic that will dodge her through Nov and potentially Trump's tax returns for him.

I wouldn't be surprise if it gets hacked or leaked by a sympathetic, anonymous IRS official, tax preparer etc. passing select portions to the news media.

I love this idea that Trump is telling the truth despite advocating for positions that are the direct opposite of what he's advocated his whole life until he ran for President, yet Hillary is basically Ricky Gervais in The Invention of Lying and is the first person to have the audacity to lie about anything.

Trump is a used car salesman. Problem with a used car salesman that is taped is its very easy to check your fabrications.

Think about what would happen if Trump becomes president and starts screwing around with China or Russia. At this point in time he has shown nothing to indicate he has any diplomacy skills. I would fear the next 4 years if he were elected.

You know this isn't either/or right? They both are liars.

Who said it was either/or? I've talked pretty openly here about my awareness that almost all politicians lie and I don't really care that they do. I was responding to Tarcone's analysis of the situation and this silly idea that Hillary is such a cold, calculating, lying politican as opposed to the decades of honesty we've had from other politicians.

Never have I said any other politicians were not liars. Im not that naive.
Im just saying, whether Trump is lying or not, he comes across as a off the cuff, say what you mean type of dude. And that is speaking to a large portion of Americans.
HRC is, in my opinion, a murderous, dangerous, nasty liar.

HRC lying scares me more than any other politician. Maybe because she is smart and has a stop at nothing attitude. But doing whatever it takes does have its limits. But I dont think HRC has a limit to do whatever it takes.
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He's really just become a caricature of himself.

Trump Says Remark About Obama Being ISIS Founder Was 'Not That Sarcastic' - ABC News

He tells it like it is, honesty aside!!!! I can get behind that. Who cares how stupid the message, he's talking off the cuff like he's in a bar with me!

Even though he's lying, it sounds like he isn't, so let's Make America Great Again!

Just as Bluto Blutarsky made Delta Tau Chi great again, so will The Donald with America. It finally dawned on me that this clip seems to be what his entire campaign uses for inspiration.

Hillary's PAC's should use that in a commercial. After all nobody says it better than Donald :)

“Remember, we weren’t even in Afghanistan by this time. Barack Obama went into Afghanistan, creating another problem.” - Katrina Pierson

I guess this off the cuff, say what you mean, whether it's true or not style extends to the entire campaign.

At this point, politics isn't about being a good liar anymore, its about seeing how many lies you can get away with. It's like the cat game from Super Troopers, except afterwards everyone just goes and plays slap ass with their big donors and swims in their pools of money regardless of the outcome.

Donald Trump wants you to be an "election observer" to make sure "Crooked Hillary" doesn't cheat and win the election:

Trump campaign launches drive to recruit 'election observers' - POLITICO