If we didn't lynch tonight, i believe we might have lost this game.... im with you daddy and tyrnth

Mr. W moved off Tyrith onto Ntn, not off Thomkal. Looks like he still gets lynched.

the 2nd didn't say that he knew my occupation but not allegience

i can't really see how occupation would be useful to know in most cases though, which is why i figured it was part of something greater

Folks, would you verify that I have no majority vote this evening - with 17 people we need nine to vot esomeone, and I have 8 as the most on someone. Is this verified?

Gram, you moved your vote off Thomkal. THAT cost us the lynch.

Without a doubt, I would have looked at Schmidty.

Yes, I have 8 on Thomkal.

To be honest? In a game with likely conversions and multiple sides I likely would pick veterans who are going to be around longer. I wouldn't have picked Blade or Saldana or St.Cronin or such the first few days.

I think Schmidty and mr.W are fine choices. Jonathan I'm not sure I would have scanned, but Schmidty and Mr.W are about as on the mark as I could get if I was a seer. Perhaps my third would have been Swaggs.

You know maybe Blade was right, maybe I was completely steering people the wrong way because up until tonight I was believing Tyrith and Lonestargirl.. but after this move.. this just doesn't add up. Those two are immediate top suspects for me.

Torgo, you've mentioned someone discussing your occupation multiple times. Is this within the thread (in plain sight, but somehow on the QT so it wasn't obvious to us), or was it someone who had a private line of communication?

yah i got 8

within the thread, in plain sight but on the QT (although apparently obvious to some...alan said he saw it for example and i have to believe blade did too)

I cannot freaking believe this. If you think that Thomkal isn't the seer why aren't you looking at _blade_ considering all the games that bad guys have role scanning abilities? Is anyone here actually taking the time to think about the arguments I was making or are we going back to living inside the box, "no, we can never lynch the seer!" I hope no one has a hunter ability tonight because if they use it to kill me we're REALLY freaking screwed if they have the nasty kill themself drawback.

Don't base your opinion on how Alan would play the seer. I'm playing it the way I thought I should. You know just like crazy Blade was on day 1.

I would agree that Schmidty and Mr. Wed make sense. Schmidty basically said that he is important. Makes sense to know which side. Mr. Wed made AlanT suspicious, so he could have made others suspicious too. Jonathan? Not sure about that one, though he did come out a bit strong in the beginning.

I think thomkal put that list out to signal to the other black faction to back him.

I reread it all, but I caught hints that were referred to as "crazy talk" that I paid attention to. I'm not going to single them out, but if you read the whole thing really fast, it seemed obvious to me.

Simply put.. as much as I would love to chase Blade for this, he pushed for Thomkal pre-reveal and in my quick reading he did not appear to be here for the reveal. I can't say what Blade would have done based on the reveal, but I did see you and LSG pushing to try to lynch someone claiming to be the seer.

Why would the other black faction back him if he was bad? They need to take each other out.

If that is the case then Thomkal put all that together really fast.

Not really. He just came up with some names of people that the real seer might not be able to immediately disprove. Even Schmidty would likely have died last night and could very well of not been a seer target. He didn't give us any specifics about his role PM. He really never responded to anything.

You say it was worth killing the seer to prove he is the seer. Likewise would you then say its worth the seer outing themselves and risking death to prove Thomkal is not the seer? I'm guessing we'll find out one way or another about Thomkal in the next day or two. Usually by day 5 the seer would come out with a CoT of good guys even if they hadn't hit a bad guy yet anyways.

Maybe I'm too jaded here, but I have a hard time swallowing the idea of killing the seer just to prove he is the seer. That just screams wolf to me.

The two dark sides want to narrow down the field of the light side. So thomkal knew he was in trouble and decided to call on the other faction to help him. He picked three names out of the hat or people he suspected to be good, and once he said they were good they would switch their vote off of him. I mean, any good seer would have scanned Blade or Alan after their pissing match the other day, but he didn't scan either. Instead he scanned jonathan? Doesn't that seem weird? And what are the chances that all three people he scanned are alive on day three? Alan how could you not see this? Blade would have without coaching!

Let me put it this way. What good does us to have him alive? There are so many good reasons for them to not kill him tonight. Tomorrow we're going to be running around like chickens with our heads cut off. You're probably going to spend a lot of time looking at me, and if you kill me we're even deeper in the hole. We have absolutely no idea if we can trust Thomkal or not. If he's bad, we've given him the chance to magically scan for a wolf tonight, who could very well be killed tomorrow, causing more confusion. At least if Thomkal was dead now we would know where the crap we would stand!

I can't believe you're putting it past blade to have done this all on purpose, including leaving. No matter what he created a giant mess with our lynch. The bad guys could very well know about the seer part. There are tons of scenarios where they're just trading a bad guy for time, a seer, or there are bad guys working together to waste our time and stall us out. To assume that the people that instigated this entire mess are innocent while blade isn't is crazy. And if you say, "Hey, Tyrith and blade could have been in it together," then I give you this -- sure, go ahead and kill me. You'll see how I turn up. Then kill him...even though it could very well be too late.

I can't say I am too disappointed. If it is a false reveal, he played it off with NO fear. I can't see him knowing the other faction of darkness to pull something like LSG suggests off.

looks like the bad guys are scheming together instead of posting huh

I have had seer roles in the past, and I have scanned Blade and Alan after their fights. I have also seen each of them die the day after I scan them which left me a seer with no information. Since then I have gone with a strategy of scanning more UTR people just so I have into on people that are alive later. In the RE game, I actually was the seer and had most of my views alive on day 5 or 6.

he doesn't need to know the other faction of darkness. he pulled three names out of his butt and hoped to land one on the side of light. He got one with mr wednesday because as soon as mr wed saw tyrnth say he was good, he switched immediatly.

If it was a false reveal he had absolutely nothing to lose. He was going to die anyway. It was a move with absolutely no downside if he was a bad guy that just got randomly piled on.

So you are saying we shouldn't believe Thomkal yet we should still kill Blade?

That sounds now like blame shifting to me.

The benefit to not killing Thomkal at lynch is, the bad guys now have a choice.

they can either keep thomkal alive to try to frame him to make people not believe him allowing him more time to scan people while alive... or they waste a night action killing him rather than us doing their work for them.

Worst case scenerio, if Thomkal is a bad guy who did a fake reveal, we now have more time to allow the real seer to out him if they so choose to. Until then there are more than enough people to choose as lynch targets to avoid the ones that thomkal cleared.

Yes I know Mr.W was on my suspect list, but I'm willing to not consider him anymore at least until this is proven one way or another.

ouch. i literally have a headache from the possibilities and permutations of this now

Anxiety, why are we not playing this weekend?

I'm going to be scheming for a bit with all my other bad guy buddies as I put together a post recap for today. I had it updated until I had to leave earlier so might take me a bit. I might be quiet for a bit, but I'll be back :)

I won't be available.

We could have proven all this one way or another tonight instead of having to hope that things break our way tomorrow. What if Schmidty's "big role" is that he's our seer and he dies tonight? What if someone with a hunter decides to do something tonight? What happens when the bad guys make their next move? We have dug ourselves such a massive information hole tonight when we had a perfectly good, unused lynch we could have used to start figuring things out.

lol @ Alan

I see what you are saying, I have given more trust to someone because they thought Iwas the good guy that I was. I will probably be used to my ill because of that one game. (I kinda was in the Tombstone game :) )

Alant, ive already said that i think you are good... dont get your panties in a wad.

Schmidty, if you are the seer like people suspect, i hope you scan thomkal tonight.

Schmidty, if you're the seer like people suspect, I hope you LIVE through tonight.

Blade...thoughts?

Blade is here, let the fireworks begin

We had the lynch...and you let it slip away...

From all i cant tell, since alan said he didnt know what i would have done, tthe guy about to be lynched pulled a fake role reveal out of his ass to avoid being lynched, and likely draw the real seer out to. I am thankful as hell the real one didnt, as 1-1 is not worth it.

That being said, as the seer i cant remember many games where all of my targets were alive this late in the game. I think he took the group of swing voters, which it seems to me to be the group he claims to have scanned, and said they were good in hopes they would not lynch him. And it worked, thanks to grammats swap and Mr. Wednesday and his 14,000 swaps.

Stunned, flat out...dissapointed, yet i think we learned much today. People like Alan T, Sublime, who wouldnt vote for him have shown their true colors today. I might die tonight, so remember my words. The path has been shown to you all i believe, and i hope you dont let it slip away again.

No, if schmidty is the seer he needs to avoid Thomkal. Thomkal will be dead soon if good, and dead soon if bad.

I would have been tempted to scan Johnathan myself on night one. I think the Alan and Blade show has gone through a couple of rounds and both have been good before doing that, so that would not have ratched them up on my scope neccesarily.

BS, Schmitdy was talked about because he strongly hinted at having a good role. The fact you make no mention of this means your lying....im stunned you got away

Blade you took the words out of my mouth

I'm glad someone agrees with me.

crazy. damm, this has given me a hell of a headache

I am right there with you DT