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sabotai 03-11-2019 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3233033)



Me think, why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?

RainMaker 03-11-2019 02:30 PM

New budget has nearly $1 trillion in Medicare cuts.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.667c830ed982

And as always, there is a tweet for that.



albionmoonlight 03-11-2019 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3233055)
New budget has nearly $1 trillion in Medicare cuts.


It is bizarre. It is a DOA budget (Dems were never going to agree to it). There was no reason to not just (as previous Presidents have done) make it all sugar and no medicine.

You propose the unpopular things your party wants to do when you are actually crafting the laws that will come into existence. Just floating "we want to cut your Medicare" for no real reason seems so strange that I am wondering what the other shoe that is going to drop is.

GrantDawg 03-11-2019 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3233056)
It is bizarre. It is a DOA budget (Dems were never going to agree to it). There was no reason to not just (as previous Presidents have done) make it all sugar and no medicine.

You propose the unpopular things your party wants to do when you are actually crafting the laws that will come into existence. Just floating "we want to cut your Medicare" for no real reason seems so strange that I am wondering what the other shoe that is going to drop is.





Possibly a shot at Medicare-for-all? "Try to give it to all and we will gut it."

GrantDawg 03-11-2019 04:22 PM

On other news, Stacy Abrams suggested today on twitter than she is probably running for President. I find it strange that her and Beto, two people who couldn't win their home state elections, are thinking of running for a national office. "Loser" looks good on the resume?

miked 03-11-2019 05:58 PM

Stacy Abrams scored the highest percentage this century as a democrat in statewide GA election, and in a year with no presidential election with high turnout. As a black female in GA. Not saying she is a viable candidate on the national level, but to ignore what she actually did is a bit shortsighted (plus, I believe she was the first black female candidate ever for a gubernatorial election).

digamma 03-11-2019 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3232884)
Interesting. I do believe in the first bolded for the most part when talking about China and not sure I really understand the second bolded (and don't have anymore free nytimes read).

Trade deficits are when imports exceeds exports so not sure what that has to do with domestic investment spending. Appreciate anyone able to shed some light here.


I'll try to help you out with your seemingly honest second question. Think of a dollar as either spent or saved. If it is spent on something produced in the US, it remains here and is still either spent (again) or saved. If it is spent on something outside of the US it doesn't count toward US savings.

Same things for non-US money spent on US goods. That becomes a dollar in the US that is either spent or ultimately saved.

So under Krugman's paragraph, if we have more spending than saving, that definitionally is the same thing as the trade deficit.

Not sure what to tell you on your first point.

JPhillips 03-11-2019 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3233056)
It is bizarre. It is a DOA budget (Dems were never going to agree to it). There was no reason to not just (as previous Presidents have done) make it all sugar and no medicine.

You propose the unpopular things your party wants to do when you are actually crafting the laws that will come into existence. Just floating "we want to cut your Medicare" for no real reason seems so strange that I am wondering what the other shoe that is going to drop is.


Mulvaney and Pence are true believers and Trump is too damned lazy to participate.

GrantDawg 03-12-2019 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by miked (Post 3233067)
Stacy Abrams scored the highest percentage this century as a democrat in statewide GA election, and in a year with no presidential election with high turnout. As a black female in GA. Not saying she is a viable candidate on the national level, but to ignore what she actually did is a bit shortsighted (plus, I believe she was the first black female candidate ever for a gubernatorial election).





I am not arguing she did nothing. Beto made a Texas senate seat competitive, which was impressive as well. But, almost winning doesn't qualify you for President, IMHO.

whomario 03-12-2019 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3233095)
I am not arguing she did nothing. Beto made a Texas senate seat competitive, which was impressive as well. But, almost winning doesn't qualify you for President, IMHO.


But marginally winning in a sure-thing state would ? :confused: How is it even relevant what happened in 1 state ? And if anything the phrase should be “qualify you for becoming president“ at best.

stevew 03-12-2019 07:58 AM

How many more candidates for president do we need? I'm fine with nearly any of the ones running

larrymcg421 03-12-2019 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3233095)
I am not arguing she did nothing. Beto made a Texas senate seat competitive, which was impressive as well. But, almost winning doesn't qualify you for President, IMHO.


I'm not sure what you mean by qualify. Both of them are clearly smart enough to be President. It would be dumb to hold it against them that they came from red states. Warren won her first election by 6 points in a heavily blue state. Abrams and Beto had far more impressive performances in their runs.

JPhillips 03-12-2019 09:15 AM

Pilotman: I hear planes are too complex to fly now. Thoughts?

lungs 03-12-2019 09:38 AM

Out of all the candidates that have declared so far, the only one that's mildly resonated with me is Pete Buttigieg.

He only has Mayor on his resume, but there's something about the guy that makes me feel like when I first heard Obama speak at the 2004 Democratic convention. I actually remember that day well as I was hauling big square hay bales and when that guy with the weird name came on the radio of my tractor something hit me.... I was becoming a Democrat.

Buttigieg at least gives me a reminder of that vibe.

PilotMan 03-12-2019 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3233105)
Pilotman: I hear planes are too complex to fly now. Thoughts?


Lmao, you saw my fb post didn't you?

Coffee Warlord 03-12-2019 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3233139)
Lmao, you saw my fb post didn't you?


We need an All Things Flight thread. :)

GrantDawg 03-13-2019 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 3233104)
I'm not sure what you mean by qualify. Both of them are clearly smart enough to be President. It would be dumb to hold it against them that they came from red states. Warren won her first election by 6 points in a heavily blue state. Abrams and Beto had far more impressive performances in their runs.





I don't know. I think it goes something like this.


Democrat thinking: "Look how close they lost a state election. Imagine how close they can lose a national election."

miked 03-13-2019 07:24 AM

I would imagine the thinking is:

This person almost took a red state that has not seen a close election in 25 years, imagine the appeal they may have in a swing state.

digamma 03-13-2019 08:31 AM

I think there's a difference between asking whether someone can win and whether someone would be a good president. I realize most of the country is only going to worry about number one because number two doesn't matter so long as the map is the right color, but maybe I hold out fancy hopes.

Thomkal 03-13-2019 08:47 AM

Manafort currently in front of the judge in his second sentencing. Can get a max of 10 years here

Kodos 03-13-2019 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3233199)
Manafort currently in front of the judge in his second sentencing. Can get a max of 10 years here


Ten more years! Ten more years!

Thomkal 03-13-2019 10:32 AM

about to be handed down, judge does not sound like she will be lenient

Thomkal 03-13-2019 10:51 AM

Judge is pretty much slamming every point of Manafort's defense. Even his family, who wrote letters to her (manafort did not) asking for leninecy did not get spared. Says that they have the means to sustain their family while he's in jail.

cartman 03-13-2019 11:05 AM

He got 7 years, with the first 30 months running concurrent with the Virginia sentence.



Thomkal 03-13-2019 11:08 AM

BREAKING: Paul Manafort has been sentenced to: - Count 1: 60 months, with 30 months concurrent with EDVA sentence - Count 2: 13 months, to run consecutive to count 1 and the EDVA sentence


So not the max 10 years after slamming all his attorney's points. Some of this served concurrent with his other trial, then about a year more, But at lease he's in prison for a while.

Thomkal 03-13-2019 11:22 AM

People are going crazy she didn't go for the maximum after what she said to him and his lawyers, but she did add time that he will be in jail. He'll be in his 70's when he gets out and hopefully no one will want to touch him with a 10 foot pole after what came out in these trials. So justice was served-if you aren't happy with the results push your congresman/women to change sentencing guidelines for white collar crime.



And there's still a chance for unpardonable state crimes from NY too,

Scoobz0202 03-13-2019 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3233218)
And there's still a chance for unpardonable state crimes from NY too,



About that.






Thomkal 03-13-2019 11:51 AM

Well that was quick :)

Scoobz0202 03-13-2019 11:52 AM

Can't edit my post for some reason. The giants tweet is a copy/paste holdover from the NFL thread lol

albionmoonlight 03-13-2019 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobz0202 (Post 3233228)
Can't edit my post for some reason. The giants tweet is a copy/paste holdover from the NFL thread lol


Leave it. Much more funny to pretend that DeAngelo Williams is trolling Manafort on Twitter.

PilotMan 03-13-2019 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3233229)
Leave it. Much more funny to pretend that DeAngelo Williams is trolling Manafort on Twitter.



+1

RainMaker 03-13-2019 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3233095)
I am not arguing she did nothing. Beto made a Texas senate seat competitive, which was impressive as well. But, almost winning doesn't qualify you for President, IMHO.


We literally just elected a failed businessman who's claim to fame was being a reality TV host. I don't think the requirements for President are what they used to be.

larrymcg421 03-13-2019 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3233189)
I don't know. I think it goes something like this.


Democrat thinking: "Look how close they lost a state election. Imagine how close they can lose a national election."


In a Presidential election, if a Democrat only lost Texas by 2.6 points or Georgia by 1.4 points, they'd win the electoral college in a landslide.

Scoobz0202 03-14-2019 09:03 AM

And not surprisingly, Beto O'Rourke announces he will be running for President.

Thomkal 03-14-2019 11:15 AM

House passed a non-binding resolution that the Mueller report must be released publically 420-0


House votes 420-0 to demand Robert Mueller's report be public

JPhillips 03-14-2019 01:02 PM

I'm so old I remember when a president suggesting that the police, military and a biker gang might have to violently attack the political opposition would have been a big problem.

Thomkal 03-14-2019 02:04 PM

Senate voted 59-41 to block emergency declaration-Trump is sure to veto.

Ben E Lou 03-14-2019 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3233360)
Senate voted 59-41 to block emergency declaration-Trump is sure to veto.

It is completely lost on me how the media is calling this an embarrassing rebuke of Trump. There's no question in my mind that he LOVES getting to show off his power by vetoing something.

Atocep 03-14-2019 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3233361)
It is completely lost on me how the media is calling this an embarrassing rebuke of Trump. There's no question in my mind that he LOVES getting to show off his power by vetoing something.


I agree he does love it. It won't phase him one bit. I'd say it's more of an embarrassment for Mitch McConnell.

McConnell has backed himself into a corner with no escape. He had to end the shutdown by promising to rally senate around his emergency declaration, but he doesn't want trump to use those Emergency Powers. He's always been able to keep Senate Republicans on the same page, but now he's backing something he doesn't believe in and this Republican Senate is probably more split than we've seen them under McConnell.

Then again, I believe McConnell is arguably the most destructive national politician in 40 years.

Jas_lov 03-14-2019 02:37 PM

Yeah, he'll veto it and then Republicans will vote on the Lee bill to take the power away from future Preisdents. And Democrats will be spineless and go along with it.

digamma 03-14-2019 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3233361)
It is completely lost on me how the media is calling this an embarrassing rebuke of Trump. There's no question in my mind that he LOVES getting to show off his power by vetoing something.


How hilarious would it have been if he tweeted BETO instead of VETO!? I mean they are just a letter apart.

Atocep 03-14-2019 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 3233363)
Yeah, he'll veto it and then Republicans will vote on the Lee bill to take the power away from future Preisdents. And Democrats will be spineless and go along with it.


I don't think there's anything spineless about it. Unlimited Emergency Power is bad for the country. "We want our turn to shit on the Constitution too" shouldn't be the rally cry for Dems.

bronconick 03-14-2019 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3233360)
Senate voted 59-41 to block emergency declaration-Trump is sure to veto.


He just tweeted "VETO!" which I like to think is like Michael Scott shouting "I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!"

albionmoonlight 03-14-2019 03:29 PM

This is probably overthinking it, but I do wonder about the wisdom of Trump putting Senate GOPers in a position to vote against him.

It's almost like getting a shot. You are afraid of it because you think it will hurt, so you avoid it at all costs. Then you get a shot. And it does not hurt that bad, and you are not as afraid next time.

I wonder if the next time Senate GOPers are in a position to vote against Trump on a contentious issue, they will be quite as afraid of the needle.

Shkspr 03-14-2019 05:25 PM

Meh, if Republican Senators aren't afraid of the needle, then Trump will just threaten to have biker gangs beat the shit out of them the way he just threatened to do that to Democrats.

QuikSand 03-14-2019 09:34 PM

The Trump tweet (the army supports me, so...) and the White House tweet (the WaPo are liars) are both totally mortifying things to come from our government. And will flow right under the bridge like everything else.

AlexB 03-16-2019 04:50 AM

With the Veto, Trump is on the verge of literally spunking money up the Wall

Edward64 03-16-2019 06:48 AM

I predict Chelsea will run one day.

Kudos to her for putting up with that crap. I wouldn't have had that patience and would have certainly pushed back.

Chelsea Clinton is berated by Muslim students who blame her for New Zealand mosques attack | Daily Mail Online
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Bizarre moment Chelsea Clinton is berated by Muslim NYU students who blame HER for New Zealand mosques attack because she 'incited an Islamophobic mob' against Rep Ilhan Omar

Muslim students have berated Chelsea Clinton at a vigil for the victims of the New Zealand mosques massacre, saying she is to blame for the attack.

Clinton, who is pregnant with her third child, was attending the vigil at New York University on Friday when senior Leen Dweik began castigating her in an astonishing moment caught on video.

'This right here is the result of a massacre stoked by people like you and the words that you put out into the world,' says Dweik, gesturing to the vigil for the 49 who were killed in Christchurch when a white nationalist shooter stormed two mosques.

'And I want you to know that and I want you to feel that deeply - 49 people died because of the rhetoric you put out there,' Dweik continues, jabbing her index finger toward Clinton as other students snap their fingers in apparent approval of her words.

'I'm so sorry you feel that way,' Clinton responds, only to provoke more ire from the crowd.

'What does "I'm sorry you feel that way" mean? What does that mean?' an unseen male is heard shouting from the crowd.

thesloppy 03-16-2019 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3233486)
I predict Chelsea will run one day.


Blech. I hope not. Nothing against her personally so much (and certainly not negatively judging her reaction in this instance), as I just want the Dems to have a serious culture scrub. For once the Dems are in a position of power and also in relative solidarity, while the GOP is pretty fractured to a degree we haven't seen for 40 years.

There are plenty of current Dem front runners that I would totally support in a vacuum, but the vast majority have also spent the last couple of decades deeply entrenched in a political culture based on immediately compromising away the easiest of wins. Even if those folks have great, progressive ideas and present super strong platforms I'm not convinced that anyone even slightly connected to the old guard understands how to operate from a position of power, and I dread watching them trot out that same tired playbook for this new era, frittering away whatever advantages and goodwill they've collected recently.

cuervo72 03-16-2019 10:07 PM

Don't trust Daily Mail website, Microsoft browser warns users | Media | The Guardian

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Microsoft’s internet browser is warning users not to trust the Daily Mail’s journalism as part of a feature designed to fight fake news.

Visitors to Mail Online who use Microsoft Edge can now see a statement asserting that “this website generally fails to maintain basic standards of accuracy and accountability” and “has been forced to pay damages in numerous high-profile cases”.

The message, which is produced by a third-party startup called NewsGuard, tells readers to proceed carefully given that “the site regularly publishes content that has damaged reputations, caused widespread alarm, or constituted harassment or invasion of privacy”.

It gives Mail Online, one of the world’s biggest news websites, one out of five on credibility – the same level as the Kremlin-backed RT news service.


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