Yeah. There is a reason Dr. Fauci was hated by MAGA people and sidelined by Trump while Dr. Birx wasn't. She abdicated her responsibility.

The incident I found was late March. I'm willing to give her a break since it was so early and she (and I'm sure Fauci) were trying to find their legs and Trump did probably sit and listen to them (then).

If there were other incidents later (let's say mid-Summer), I'd be more critical. Don't know though, I don't remember any incidents later but do remember where she had "visible/facial" disagreements.

Here's the CBS transcript.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcr...nuary-24-2021/

So in an effort to hear both sides, I read the whole interview transcript.

The short answer is no she did not take any responsibility for any of the things I mentioned.

WTF?

Kellyanne Conway tweeted a photo of her 16-year-old daughter topless.

Finally someone says hold my beer to the Palin family

Or Claudia tweeted it to incriminate her mom.

Either way it's an incredibly sad (and possibly criminal) situation.

Messed up family.

After all we have seen from this family, nothing is surprising at all.

I wonder if they are seeing a family counselor?

I doubt mother/daughter relationship can be repaired anytime soon. Probably best to get them apart (hear that George?) and maybe they'll reconcile when daughter is older.

It's really sad.

They need to get totally out of the public eye and get their house in order.

Having a fundamental breakdown of the parent/child relationship is one of the saddest things out there.

From waaay on the outside looking in, it looks like their parental roles (George and KellyAnne) took a backseat to other roles in their lives a while ago.

Good to know.

From a few days ago:

Claudia Conway accuses Kellyanne Conway of abuse onÂ*TikTok - Vox


What i also don't get is why people like Bill Maher continue to invite Kellyane Conway on shows. There's scores of unapologetic Trumpists around, even plenty who can string together 5 sentences. Why have on the one you have to be aware by now (at least doing a show like he does) has pledged to step away because her daughter is at the very least climbing up the walls to an extent there's no telling what the fuck could happen ? Yeah, you are not responsible for an alcoholic to quit, but maybe not ask them out to drinks ?


If you are that vocal about it, the last thing i'd expect is them seeing a counselor. Because any decent ones first sentence would be: You stop airing out your fights in public or look for another counselor.

So when does their reality show premiere?

The Con-Ways.

Just as a warning, though I am sure no one here would. I saw in the report that several people recorded the fleet to report it to twitter. DON'T DO THAT! Any recording of a naked juvenile opens you up to child porn charges, no matter what the reason you may have saved it. Cops will not buy "I saved it to report it" unless you are Pete Townshend.

It is criminal. But they are white, wealthy, and politically connected.

Just from the interactions that come across in the public, Claudia comes across as the spoiled child in a dysfunctional family, where she had everything, except time and a relationship with her parents, so she's this demanding, whiny child who can't figure out where she fits in the world.

True. But I'd put more blame on the parents than her.

Kellyanne >>> George > Claudia.

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I wasn't really blaming her so to speak, more of a function of her environment to this point. Which also goes to show the break in her life from what a typical middle class teenager might experience.

funny story.

like i think it was a week ago that I was asking you guys where there are Q forums. And I found one and then the second one and posted them on facebook in the same thread. It was basically a question thread : I keep seeing articles about these Q people going nuts yet I've never seen a forum like that. And then i posted the link saying...'oh yeah I found "patriots.win". It's a bit gross. '

Well TODAY....TODAY dacebook has removed that post saying it goes against their standards. :)

I'm like what? They really need to fire these people that review posts. That was a week ago. And obv didn't read my posts. Either they removed it because I said the site was gross or they removed it because I posted the the site name but it was more based on just wondering if they existed.

Could belong to a couple other threads but thought Trump should own this.

TBH, it could have been much worse so I'll take it.

That number could have been a lot worse

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Last spring, I would have taken 6-8% decline and been grateful. I view that as fantastic bad news, if you know what I mean.

"Fantastic bad news" is a good way to describing it. Trump could have done so much more but some credit to him that the broad economy wasn't in the slumps (e.g. like what Obama had to deal with the GR in 2007-2008) when this hit us ... that would have been really bad.

It's been great with not much Trump news lately. I suspect he is laying low until after the Senate trial to see where things fall. But after that ...

Meh he has been muzzled finally by big tech shutting him out of Twitter ad. Facebooks etc. sure he has Fox, rallies with 300 people in backwater Mississippi and far right apps like Gab but that is mostly a echo chamber for the crazy 20% of the US population.

We're about 6 weeks away from going a year where unemployment claims are worse every week than the worst week of the Great Recession. For a lot of people, the economy is an absolute disaster.

Not sure if this is response to my post but I was referencing state of the economy prior to Covid hitting. If we were already in a GR (e.g. Obama example), no doubt it would have been much worse.

JPhillips is quite correct, but I just think it's all relative. It has been bad for a lot of people. I expected it to be far worse for far more.

There are obviously winners & losers in any capitalistic society, no doubt. But we'll agree to disagree on how well the economy was doing in Jan 2020, prior to Covid hitting.

Trump's Numbers January 2020 Update - FactCheck.org

So he had 3 years to not steer the course too far to the right or left of the road, just keep it in the middle and watch the numbers keep improving. He didn't need to think too hard about it, didn't need to fix anything major that was broken, and instead look where we ended up at, and look at how we got there.

Numbers are numbers, but the decisions that were made regarding policy and the complete lack of any sort of leadership and how all that came crumbling down is where we need to be looking.

Meanwhile, lots of people were wondering stuff like this before and during his presidency. As in, how can this guy get away with saying stuff that Russia has been saying for years, and sell it to a bunch of western war hawks and make it sound so good they would buy it?

‘The perfect target’: Russia cultivated Trump as asset for 40 years – ex-KGB spy | Donald Trump | The Guardian

Yup. PilotMan is right. Trump (to his credit) didn't do anything to fuck the economy up when things were going well. But that was a very easy thing to do.

We don't elect or judge Presidents based on how they act when things are going well. The whole point is how do you respond in a crisis.

Bush didn't cause 9/11 or the Great Recession. But we judge him based on how he responded to them.

Carter didn't cause the Iranian hostage crisis, but we judge him based on how he responded to it.

Etc.

What I don't get is the people trying to judge Trump's effect on the economy while removing how he managed the pandemic from the equation. I mean, that's kind of the only real test of his leadership that we have. It is literally the best judge of what kind of President he was (or, it was until after his actions after the election).

So, judge Trump how you want to. But at least judge him on how he did. Not how he would have done if he hadn't made certain choices that seem troublesome in retrospect.

It's a matter of policy preference and the GOP ran on it and won, but I think you can make a good argument that the big tax cut in 2017 was sort of like throwing gas on an already well-burning fire and it may have been beneficial to save it for a rainy day. It would have been nice to have that bullet left at the beginning of the pandemic or now.

To me, it is like burning through your special attacks or weapons so you can advance faster in a game and then not having them left for the boss fight.

I'll take exception to how he handled the economy because he ran up the deficit.

My point that started this discussion is below:


I do not disagree that Trump should have done better in 2020. But the broad economy was in good shape overall in Jan 2020 before this hit, it wasn't in the crapper like what Obama had.

And inflation was at like 6% or something like that, as well. Higher than it had been for a few years.

And that he basically borrowed from the future to basically goose stocks more than anything and add fuel to a bubble that would probably pop around now if not for COVID throwing a wrench into everything (and the Fed's $4T bailout)

SI

Not sure where you're getting this. Inflation hasn't even gotten to 3% in years.

I'm not sure what you're arguing with that I said. I agree that the economy was doing quite well a year ago.

I've never really figured out to what extent a president "runs the economy" where we can easily just attribute GNP and unemployment to them like its a sports stat. I think it's probably too political a thing to ever get a real answer on. It's just the easiest thing in the world to assign good or bad based on our affinity for a president. But I tend to believe they don't have much to do with it.

Many, many moons ago, someone told me this about presidents and the economy.

"It's like a gnat fucking an elephant. The gnat is back there pumping for all he's worth. All of a sudden, the elephant steps on a nail and lets out a loud shriek and jumps up. The gnat stops and and calls out proudly to whoever would listen, 'That was me!'".

I inferred JP was saying the economy sucked and thought you agreed with him even after my next post said the economy was good pre-Covid (e.g. Jan 2020).

My bad if I misunderstood your post.

IMO in general, President doesn't get most/all the blame and doesn't get most/all the credit, but the President does get some blame and some credit.

This is absolutely spot on. I'm 100% stealing this.

Some presidents only want credit and deflect all blame though.

I can't think of any recent president like that.

I don't think this is true at all. We elect Presidents, in terms of modern American history, primarily based on how the economy is doing at the time. Doesn't have nearly as much to do with how they react to those changes, but merely who is in charge at the time. This it the main reason why Clinton was as popular as he was, why Obama got crushed in his first midterms but was easily re-elected as the economy improved, why Bush the Elder lost to Clinton, etc. Crisis management matters as well but there often isn't an actual crisis and what people typically want is the problem fixed, whether that's realistic or not; again see Obama and the 'fierce urgency of now'.

I don't think this is right and presidents do have relatively little to do with the economy IMO, but I think the data is pretty clear that in good economic times you stay in power, in bad economic times you are vulnerable, and it matters very little what you actually did to cause/ruin that scenario.

McConnell's comments for Cheney (positive) and Greene (negative) is interesting. Hoping this makes the impeachment trial interesting but still don't think there's enough votes.

Not sure "wasn't honest or trustworthy" was really that major of a factor but I do think his "handling of the coronavirus pandemic" was the clincher (it was for my wife).

Trump pollster's campaign autopsy paints damning picture of defeat - POLITICO

So, not totally Trump related, but I was perusing Ollie North's website through some deep twitter rabbit hole.

However, who do see prominently on the homepage? Our very own Cam Edwards. Man, I can't imagine how weird these threads would have been if he still hung around.

You must be a rebranded poster?

Cam's still too right-wing and too gun nut for me, but he's been going through some tough times with his wife's cancer.

I always found him to be a thoughtful guy, but I was disappointed that he went to NRA radio and for a while sounded like any other right-wing radio guy.

I just looked him up. He's got an epic long beard going on.

Didn't realize his wife had cancer. That sucks.

Fuck that horrible disease.

It seems to happen on both the right and the left. A thoughtful original voice rises up high enough in the media ecosystem and ends up becoming Generic Commentator Number 235. You see it with local sports guys who make it national, too.

I guess when the producers are in your ear constantly telling you what gets eyeballs and clicks, you end up doing that instead of what got you there in the first place.

Interesting article on the post-Biden confirmation days where a bunch of crazies and Trump believers got together with Trump to figure out what to do.

Too many fun passages to quote (really, you should read the entire article) but my favorite one is

Off the rails: Inside the craziest meeting of the Trump presidency - Axios

Wow

The only one of the numbers about Trump's three years that actually had anything to do with he did is the amount of golfing on Trump properties, because that was literally what he was doing when not tweeting or eating junk food. Once something that required actual leadership came up, he crashed and burned as most suspected would happen in 2015 when he trundled down the escalator.

Great read. What a train-wreck.

No doubt Hoover did a great job till that stock market crash in 1929.

Why are Carbon Dioxide Emissions +0.5% a good thing? Or an extra almost 2M without insurance?

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It also leaves out how much inflation rose during his tenure.

It does include the CPI (+6) and the rise in federal debt.

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I wish I could be so committed to a diet.

It'd be a shame if he croaked.

The Poster’s Torment pic.twitter.com/FMNKx8SqdY

— henno (@jrhennessy) February 3, 2021

People are going to go to jail for this pathetic man.

Unless I missed something, I don't think the list was intended to be all positives. Just a non- comprehensive list put together by... somebody.

I didn't know basing a religion on your Baldurs Gate character was considered legit.

I guess if I ever go to jail I can request a paleo diet based on my Barbarian.

George Conway in the news again with "the moral collapse of the Republican party".

I don't disagree but IMO the Conway family needs to stay out of the news and focus on therapy/help on their family dysfunction, especially the daughter.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...k-in-politics/

They are reporting half the Republicans congressional caucus stood and applauded MTG when she spoke. She is the face of the Republican party. No longer conservative, only racist conspiracy theorist.

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Conway was leaking details about Clinton's penis to Drudge 20 years ago while working alongside a white supremacist. If there is a moral collapse of that party, he is part of it.

I cringe to think of what it is going to be like if/when Trump gets his twiiter back. People just can't help retweeting and reacting to his every tweet (much like they are doing with MTG). They think they are somehow hurting them, but really they just feed the beast.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...RL3QXALNWXZ2BQ

Basically, every former living President, except for Trump, took part in the National Prayer Breakfast.

This guy's entire life has been spent trying to belong to the most exclusive clubs. And he is voluntarily declining to participate in the most exclusive club of them all--the Ex Presidents--because he is so small and petty.

It is Shakespearian.

So a federal judge saw right through this, and let the NRA know that. So lawsuit from the AG in NY to shut them down completely back on the front burner.

Yet justice is still served, and with an even longer sentence, thanks Bevin.

Pardoned Kentucky killer sentenced to 42 years in prison

Yes, that was big news here, and was among a number of very controversial pardons Bevin handed out on his way out.

Bevin attempted to be what DeSantis is now - out-Trumping Trump at his own game. But he was such a despicably nasty person - often unprompted - that he gave himself so many self-inflicted wounds and ended up handing the state to a Democrat governor while the rest of the state went solid red. I'm glad he was such an asshole, because I couldn't imagine what Kentucky would look like with him handling Covid.

I guess we should be glad that double jeopardy has a loophole?

Double jeopardy has never applied to different jurisdictions. For example, the officers in the Rodney King incident were acquitted in their state trial, but later convicted in a federal trial.

Hence why I called it a loophole. The whole dual sovereignty principle violates the spirit of double jeopardy in my opinion. You're giving prosecutors more than one chance to prosecute a crime.

Committee just subponead some folks tied to this. Not sure what will come but at least someone is investigating the funding behind a terrorist attack since the FBI is sitting this out.

Alt-Right Groups and Personalities Involved In the January 2021 Capitol Riot Received Over $500K In Bitcoin From French Donor One Month Prior - Chainalysis

It's funny that Trump likely thinks he stacked the Supreme Court for himself when it was Mitch pulling the strings.

The Supreme Court denies Trump's bid to block release of records to Jan. 6 panel : NPR

Q is 2. I'm glad we've got "suspects". Hopefully MSM will start scrutinizing these 2 guys, come out with more stuff, and more will come out.

But bottom-line. Did these 2 do anything that they can be charged with? I'm guessing no.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/19/t...s-authors.html

Serious question: why does it matter who Q was/is? The problem is the number of people buying into it. The way to combat this kind of thing is to do a better job of inoculating society against nonsense, not to pretend that we're ever going to be able, in the internet age for goodness sake, to stamp out opportunistic people who spout conspiracist hogwash. Or ignore the great damage that will and to a degree already is being caused by trying.

In my field, I try to get to the root cause of any problem. Finding the genesis of anything is part of that analysis. But yeah, I think Q has taken a life on its own and those 2 are not as relevant in current day.

By showing who it is and how 'small' they are you hopefully take a brick out of the wall. They have portrayed Q as being an 'insider' in the top echelon of gov't and by showing with evidence that that couldn't be farther from the truth perhaps it gets added to the evidence and will eventually have a handful of people from killing others, themselves, destroying their lives or others etc along the way to finding out just how far the rabbit hole goes.

It matters because the followers insist it's something other than it really is. It's spawned a a vast array of extremists, who are the biggest threat to American democracy we currently face. It's grown beyond 'teaching' people to be better thinkers. You should understand that by now. Because education is for suckers. There's not a logical conversation that you can have with someone who has gone down the rabbit hole. They have been brainwashed, and their belief system can only be challenged by removing them from the system itself. So legitimately exposing the underlying creators, and all the bs that they have spewed over the years undercuts their financial stake (which is substantial) and undercuts the real dangerous people like Mike Flynn who have weaponized this belief into a power structure that is exploited by real people with power like trump. Q has gotten to the point now that it will morph into whatever the 'next big thing' is, but taking out the actors, and removing any sort of validation from the 'things' they believe in will limit it's spread.

It won't do any of that though and we know it. People who follow Q aren't following it because of the evidence - it isn't there. There is a pattern of hand-waving away anything that doesn't fit the narrative. That's what conspiracy theorists do. There's already a huge amount of evidence that they're wrong on so many points, and it just get dismissed. A little bit more in that direction doesn't accomplish anything. That's the point I was trying to make - instead, we need to get better at limiting the number of people susceptible to this kind of thing.


Right, but this seems to me to flatly contradict your idea that this actually matters. If this is true (and I agree that it is), then adding more fuel to that fire does no good. What we need is education and attitude adjustment *before* people go down the rabbit hole. I.e., prevent the problem from getting worse, cut off the source as much as possible, and then also be willing to engage the entrapped people - not for the sake of arguing them out of what they think, but because of the psychological positive impact that occurs when people are legitimately listened to.