I think you're saying he's worth more dead than alive. The problem is, if we lynch him and he's right, one of the cleared people dies tonight. Don't waste the lynch on someone who's probably good, let the wolves take care of him tonight and take a shot at getting a real bad guy.

I'm posting as quickly as I can here guys, cut me some slack

I know, that's waht I'm saying, he has to die! HE HAS TO DIE!

The people saying to hold the lynch obviously want to because they want the seer dead.

We've already got the scan list. None of the cleared guys was up as an alternative, so what's your point here?

If he dies and he's good we know that two people are good tomorrow _and_ we can lynch blade. That's enough for me.

UNVOTE ntndeacon
VOTE Tyrith

UNVOTE ThomKal

VOTE ntndeacon

I'm going with the reveal

not at all. it's because the only way to actually verify what you're saying is for you to die. it's an unfortunate side-effect of being the seer i imagine. otherwise you could be a Dark agent trying to slip one of your fellow Dark agents into a CoT

Well, looks like a lot of folks are here... hope they've somewhat caught up...

Mr. Wednesday, Jonathan you know I'm telling the truth about you. You can save me.

Still does not mean Blade is bad, just wrong.

people...don't let us end up with no lynch here. if we end up with no lynch we get NO information and NO certainty from this!

For what reason should we trust a seer reveal with 20 minutes left with no specific details on a role that was VERY heavy on specific details and a scan list that is possible the worst scan list I have ever seen? It's TOTAL CRAP. We get two good guys and a bad guy if he's good, and a bad guy if he's bad. Otherwise we go into tomorrow not knowing anything and a lynch behind.

There's no way this was an accident if he's the seer. It's just too convenient. Lots of games they've had ways to scan for the seer.

what is the vote count? we have five minutes and i think we have enough for the lynch

if Thomkal is inded the seer (as i doubt) then there's someone else out there with information about people's roles. The odds of that...not so great I'd imagine. Whether that other person would be good or evil though I confess I have no idea.

Just caught up. Whats the current vote count? I think its crazy to lynch the seer to prove his trust list. I think Tyrith should be hung for just saying it, but its too late at this point.

The chances of lynching the seer instead of making the bad guys waste a move to do it seems just mind boffling to me. Worst case scenerio, he is a bad guy and he survives another day.

I would rather lynch no one than accidentally lynch the seer just to clear 3 good people. that is insane.

We only have 8 on Thomkal, we need someone

Considering he went on the block an hour before deadline, what in the heck were you expecting?

I AGREE WITH TYRITH!!! HOLD STRONG PEOPLE!

Quick shift to Tyrith?

UNVOTE Tyrith
VOTE ntndeacon

I think we should look very hard at Tyrith tomorrow, but right now my vote is better placed where it might get someone who's not a seer and not cleared.

If he is the seer they can just let him live tonight, give us another bogus name, and we kill him tomorrow and we're just as bad off!

Alan...I have VERY GOOD reason to believe he is not the seer. Or at worst there are multiple people with role information. Because someone else has role information on me.

How can you blame the 20 min thing on him? Its not like he anticipated 8 votes being moved to him 3 hours ago. If you are the seer would you reveal your role with your neck not on the line?

Now I have no idea if Thomkal is good or bad.. but the risk of lynching the seer just to prove a point sounds crazy.

Brian, if you want to do it, I'm game, just don't think we can round up nine votes in two minutes.

A seer would never reveal 20 minutes before deadline. It is a BS move to save his butt. No real seer would scan those three people. He had BS reasons for scanning them too. Gram, you changed your vote, if Thomkal dies and is bad, you aren't going to look good.

I think you are onto something here.

More details, please. As many as you can give without compromising that person.

change back then gram! someone else gave me SPECIFIC role information about me. that they wouldn't just "guess" at.

Yep, that was a quick move out of the blue. That is one big reason why I moved my vote. He didn't get much more time to do a reveal.

I read what you are referring to. I have a theory about that, and its based alot on just my gut belief. I could be wrong, but in alot of ways this game is somewhat similar to my tombstone game I ran. Different people can find out different information about people. Thomkal states he only finds out someone's allegiance. This other person you refer to, did they know your allegiance or your role only?

This is a very similar mechanism to what I used in Tombstone also.

Gram, mr wed, change back
you are doing the village wrong. yuo haev one minute! c'mon guys!

they mentioned multiple times what my character's occupation was

Holy crap. I go away for a few hours and everything falls apart. I don't know about Mr. W or whomever else got scanned, but I can say that I'm good. Believe me or not, I'M GOOD.

Is it enough to make you move your vote?? You don't have much time.

Um, no. A seer will reveal as late as possible when his butt is on the line.

:confused:

Please elaborate. They looked pretty reasonable to me.

MY VOTE IS NOT GOING BACK TO THOMKAL.

Time

Let's see what the vote says, hold on

If you were the seer, when would you have revealed? 5 hours ago when no one voted for you?

You all belived a guy that didnt' give us his name or occupation in a game where everyone has a name and an occupation! When we didn't lose much by just killing him now! And you're going to kill me tomorrow just for trying to be reasonable! CONGRATULATIONS BAD GUYS, YOU'VE WON THE GAME. I don't know what to say, but this was alarmingly dumb on our part.

well that's a lovely pile of dung we got ourselves into as a village there

alan...do the rules of WW allow you to elaborate on what that other type of tombstone role was?

That's a little different from a seer. To the extent that it does not compromise you or the person, why is knowledge of your character's occupation significant?

Whew, thanks to those who switched off me

If I was the seer I would have at least given my name and occupation when I revealed when those are the only pieces of information we know about people.

Right, so you have one person stating he knows your occupation, and another stating he knows your allegiance but not your occupation.. Put 2 and 2 together.

Alant, if you were the seer, would you look at jonathan, schmidty, and mr w?

Again I tell you all I get is which side they are on. If there are other roles out there that get more information then good for you, but that is all I get.