That episode sucked ballsacks. Worst one I can remember. Totally uninterested in the couples story and nothing happened until the last 2 minutes.

And it's starting to make almost no sense now. And 3 week hiatus.

sigh

I thought it was a good episode, not every episode should furthe main plot.

On the one hand, I liked the backstory and thought it was pretty well done. On the other hand, now we have another story branch going in another direction, with no end in sight.

I thought it was an Ok episode. Not much really happened in it to further the plot along with the exception of the return of Michael. I was happy to see Rose's and Bernard's backstory, but wasn't as caught up in it as most of the others. Did like the scene between Rose and Locke though.

++ to all of this.

Henry is a lot of fun. I already called the earlier twist with him (they'd find the wreckage...and then find out that he wasn't the real Henry). So I'll speculate here that Henry is not one of the others, mostly because they seem to be doing so much to make him appear to be. Why he's being deceptive about his past, I don't know, but I have a feeling he's going to turn out to be rather benign (maybe he's the missing button pusher?).

Has Harold Perrineau (Michael) been collecting paychecks all season to not be on the show? How many episodes did he miss? Did he even need to be in Hawaii during that time?

Speaking of spoilers, I think I stumbled across one today (or at least a hint of one) and I'm quite annoyed about it. It's dubious enough for me not to put a lot of stock in, but I hate having any advance info on the show. oh well.

Not at all. I just think it's completely obvious what they're doing with this story (stretching time to sell ads). The only reason I watch is because my gf is/was into the show. I guess this is the problem some people had with JJ Abrams' other show.

The Bernard/Rose story, while cool, could've been explained without skimping in 4-5 minutes.

All that to tell us basically how they met, that Bernard is a man of action, that Rose is an emasculating b!tch, and that the island has some sort of force (duh!).

Ummmm...this may be a little strange, but I disagree. I think every background story could be told in 4-5 minutes. I know I'm probably one of the most vocal people against the absolute slowness of this series, but I enjoyed Rose and Bernard's story a lot. Didn't a lot of us complain about another Hurley story or another Charlie story or (gasp!) yet another Jack story? At least we learned something about two people we haven't had a background on yet. Glass half full.

Even if it wasn't that, I think it explained things very well. I was a little confused as to why Rose wouldn't hope they would be rescued...especially since she held out her hope that Bernard would be okay just after the crash. It didn't seem consistent within her character; however, after the story played out, it made her actions seem very plausible. I don't think you could do that within 4-5 minutes.

Overall, I think it was a pretty good episode and much better than the previous ones so far.

Possible spoiler on the numbers.
http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/index.html#a0009993957

And a funny comment.

"All the numbers are also retired Yankee's jersey numbers.

And they add up to 108 which is the number of stitches on a baseball. And the number of beads on a rosary.

The numbers have no basis in reality, they pulled some random numbers, perhaps for all we know, FROM the yankee's retired jersey list, just because they needed 6 numbers. "

It's pretty funny that the guy who wrote that is convinced that he's uncovered anything, let alone enough to justify this statement: "I'm kind of sad now that I have solved it, no more mystery."

" The numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 are points along the Becker-Hagens Planetary Grid System." Yeh, so are the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14...

The only way to that grid looks even remotely interesting is because 42 is in the ocean near Australia. But it's in the Indian Ocean--a flight to LA would be going in the opposite direction.

Doc Jensen(linked in that article) has some pretty solid spoiler-free Lost theories, though.

Except the plane turned around to go to back to Sydney and then flew way off course. I seem to remember '1000 miles off course' as what the dying pilot mentioned. It could have been more than that. Does anyone remember? So the Indian Ocean would not be far-fetched. And much closer to Eko's African cocaine plane take-off point. A twin engine Beechcraft (or whatever) going from Africa to the mid-Pacific--even with refueling--strikes me as less possible than the Lost Island being in the Indian Ocean.

Also, mark me down as thinking Not-The-Henry is An Other, in the sense that the Others are not the Dharma project people. The Others are other people who have washed up/crashed on the island over the years--some before Dharma, others after. Not-The-Henry has had run-ins with both groups and fears the Dharma folks the most. He does have some knowledge of the Big Secret, but is keeping it to himself because he trusts no one.

He also does not know Walt and has never met the boy. He heard Jack say the name Walt as a potential trade and simply used the name to mess with Jack's head, much like he's messing with Locke and the numbers. He likely genuinely believes there's no possibility of a trade, but wants Jack to think he, Not-The-Henry, knows much more than he does. He vacilliates between saying he knows stuff and messing with the Losties because that's the kind of nasty little sh*t he is. But he knows nothing of Walt except as a name Jack used.

I enjoyed seeing Scorpius from Farscape (Wayne Pygram) as Isaac Urulu, the healer Rose went to. I closed my eyes to listen to his voice. Very creepy, in the way Scorpius was when he was in Ben Brower's head. If you don't know what I'm talking about, watch the Farscape reruns on WGN.

On the boring versus interesting debate, I'm going to pontificate a bit.

There are two basic ways of telling a story, plot-driven and character-driven. I broadly call these 'action-thrillers' (plot) and Romance stories (character). Most folks prefer one to the other.

Now LOST starts out with a plane crash, monsters and mysteries. This a classic 'thriller' plot development. Those of us who like this expect fast action, fights, and plot twists. If LOST were a movie, it could have been done in 2 1/2 hours, like the Bourne Idenity or Jurassic Park. However, LOST will be at least 66 hours of TV (three seasons) and the network wants those who prefer character-based stories (I'll call this group 'women' for lack of a better term) to watch, too. So we get back stories and love interests, despite those story lines having little bearing on the main plot of what's going on.

So the very success of LOST makes its plot-driven basis impossible. It would already be over if they stuck to the main mystery. Thus, like all long-term TV, it becomes soap opera. There is simply no other way to stretch it out.

What all this means is, there is going to be lots more 'character' padding along the way. The best we can hope for is interesting back stories that mention the magnetism of Ayers Rock and Bernard picking up black rocks and Locke seeing things on lock-down doors and Not-The-Henry lying in interesting ways. The story is unfolding very slowly because it has to follow TV rhythm, not movies.

It would be weird if the series were 108 episodes and the writers had that idea in the beginning.

Lost News:

Do we have a new episode tonight?

next week, I think. then it's 4 in a row to the end of season.

don't quote me on that.

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Burn!

Tonight episode is a recap of season 2 so far. There going to show highlights.

According to TV guide its new.

Recap episodes are always "new" because the recap has never been aired. I hate recaps.

Recap episodes are useless. If a person cares about the show, he/she will record them and never recap. If a person doesn't care about the show, a recap won't make him/her care.

ditto. Waste of good time.

Plane crashes. Weird conincidences happen. Walt disappears. Michael yells.

Recap over.

I like to check this site to find out the answer

http://www.islostarepeat.com/

Fixed it for ya.

ohh, and hurley eats

No doubt.

Is that for real? I mean, they could never update the site and it would be accurate like 75% of the time. :)

Kewl, the Gwen Stafani guest star episode a la the Gilligan's Island Harlem Globetrotters...only kewler.

And hotter.

why couldn't they have crashed on an island inhabited by hot chicks instead of others

and how come there is nobody playing with themself. I watch Jarhead and the guy is wanking every 5 minutes. Nobody on this island goes to the bathroom either.

its just like 24, no one ever poops.

Oh wait, didn't hurley poop in like season 1.

I don't recall hurley feces.

I mean one day I can buy. 4 months? That's just cooky talk.

wtf, does the hatch even have a toilet? and if so what if they need a plumber? and where does the shower water come from?

The castaways are all too busy not talking to each other about important things to think about things like this.

You could check again next week, but I have seen it change to no for new episodes.

The Ocean is one big toilet.

How about menstration. They need these hard hitting issues.

Every time I watch I am amazed at the lack of communication and teamwork. It's like they are all going for the same promotion and not STRANDED on some island.

If you ever watched Gilligan's Island, you would know the answers to ALL of these questions. :)

"Oh yeah, we found another hatch with a fake beard"

Writing has been miserable this year.

yeah but they had the professor. that guy was a genius.

I've always wanted to bump this thread...

Anyway, new show tonight. Matter of fact, new shows every Wednesday night for the rest of the season.

From wikipedia:

Two for the Road
Announced air date: May 3, 2006
Flashback: Ana-Lucia Cortez
Written by: Elizabeth Sarnoff & Christina M. Kim
Directed by: Paul Edwards
This episode is yet to be aired. The official description for this episode, as found on ABC Medianet website is: Jack and Kate bring an exhausted Michael back to the camp, and with him, news about "The Others." Meanwhile, Ana Lucia attempts to get the prisoner to confess, and Hurley plans a surprise date for Libby.


Check out hxxp://www.thehansofoundation.org by the way.

Finally caught up. Of course all the repeats made it fairly easy to do.

I really hope they listen to the fans and run the series straight through ala 24.

Love the Hanso "commerical!"

Um, wow.

At least Michael's doing something other than screaming "Walt!"

The number rings busy right now.


The moral for tonights episode is not to drink and drive folks.

Ummm, Knights of Columbus!

Holy fucking shit. The first 40 minutes was alright, but the last 5... fuck beans...

well, that was interesting

Lots of new stuff up at http://thehansofoundation.org