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Poli 04-18-2007 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 1445528)
1) Ardent killing CW yesterday when we needed a double scan to find out if he was bad or not. If he was good (something I admit I didn't think was likely) then KWhit was likely good and their suspicions of Ardent were very solid
2) Ardent voting to execute path with no explanation given. Of course, he doesn't want KWhit to be executed while there's a chance of me being alive.
3) The evidence does suggest that KWhit must have lied about taking the swordsman. But it's possible that the evidence is faulty. I think I have a reputation for being someone who gets into heavy (over) analysis. An experience player could set up the evidence to condemn KWhit. This would explain why Chief Rum and I have been left alive. We've been offering solid analysis but what if it's faulty analysis? We will never know unless we ascertain KWhit's guilt.


Narc, you're so full of crap. I'm actually going to pull myself out of Peregrine's game and not play again. You, sir, make me sick.

Poli 04-18-2007 10:47 PM

I'm getting really tired of this game. Someone kill me. Please.

Abe Sargent 04-18-2007 10:50 PM

Self preservation vote:

Vote Autumn

Not that I think it will matter much. In fact.

Vote Nightfall

Poli 04-18-2007 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 1445753)
Someone who's gonna do something bad. :)

BTW, there was a miscommunication. I apparently have the services of Narcizo, not ardent. So send the slaves to yourself anyway if you want. ;)

I don't know who has you now.

A little too late. And, I'm not sure what happened yet, or where I rank. If I'm able to help, let me know before I leave in the morning...otherwise, I don't know what I'm expected to do.

Poli 04-18-2007 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 1445753)
Someone who's gonna do something bad. :)

BTW, there was a miscommunication. I apparently have the services of Narcizo, not ardent. So send the slaves to yourself anyway if you want. ;)

I don't know who has you now.

FYI, I sent them to Kwhit.

Grammaticus 04-18-2007 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast (Post 1446288)
FYI, I sent them to Kwhit.


So basically there are a bunch of sex slaves running around with nothing to do?

Poli 04-18-2007 11:04 PM

Guess so, and I'm not so agitated right now. I'm out. Watching Idol on Tivo.

Anxiety, you're a bigger man than me if you're willing to take one for the team.

Good luck.

Mr. Wednesday 04-18-2007 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12 (Post 1446173)
I feel bad for Mr. W coming in and catching up just to get offed. :(


Don't worry 'bout me, I'm not feeling too put out over it. :)

Ironhead 04-18-2007 11:21 PM

No poisonings since Day 6. The Tribune has lived for several days. We are relying strictly on the lawyers for all information as to innocence and guilt. And on top of that the wolves killed...a player who just joined the game today? When there are players out there like Chief Rum, Narcizo, Autumn, etc... that appear to working to win the game for the village. Something is seriously wrong here.

Poli 04-18-2007 11:33 PM

Ardent sues everyone.

Poli 04-18-2007 11:43 PM

I owe Narc an apology for the earlier post. He didn't deserve that. I just don't like seeing accusatory posts that I obviously can't answer until some 12 hours later.

Sorry, narc.

BTW, tomorrow, looks to be me up at 6 and out by 7am. I'll be in Staunton, IL or somewhere abouts. Not sure about what time I will be home, but it's about 2 hours from my home.

Ironhead 04-18-2007 11:56 PM

Question regarding sharing of information in Werewolf. I am going to try and do an extensive update on the service history for the game tomorrow. Would anyone have any objections to me posting that as a *.pdf to share?

Mustang 04-19-2007 12:30 AM

Lawsuit Results. (tried to get as accurate as possible. I might be off one or two lawsuits but, shouldn't skew the results THAT much). Win/Loss record

Ardentus Enthusiastus 33-13
Grammus Atticus 22-11
Abeus Anxietus 11-7
Autumnus Leavus 19-5
Ironus Headus 6-7
Mustangus Sallus 14-19
Narcizus Lispus 9-6
Pathus Twelveus 10-13
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus 7-6
Chiefus Rumus 4-11
Passus Caglius 3-11
Tyrus Ithus 6-5

Obviously, there is some mechanic that affects lawsuits. Ardent, Gramm and Autumn have too large a win percent and Chief and Pass too low for it to be 50/50. Given the AE is a lawyer, that could account for his runs of Wins. Autumn was 11-3 until the last few days.

Narcizo 04-19-2007 12:50 AM

I don't know what this means and I don't even know if I should reveal it considering the fact that it might have some relevence but I got a PM stating that Mr Wednesday was a good guy.

I presume st.cronin just got the name wrong and he meant KWhit.

So following my argument yesterday KWhit being a good guy suggests that Ardent was bad. Unfortunately no-one decided to arrest Ardent, which means we have the richest person in the game free again.

(Incidentally I am sorry if I've offended you Ardent. I tend to get carried away with my own train of thought. If it's any consolation I'm not in the Peregrine game so there's no reason to drop out from that if you've got an issue with me).

Grammaticus 04-19-2007 01:15 AM

So, do you think that both Mr. W and Kwhit were good?

Narcizo 04-19-2007 01:28 AM

Anxiety you're here. I'm trying to put a list together. Who did you take yesterday? I could search through the files but it's easier if you tell me.

Narcizo 04-19-2007 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grammaticus (Post 1446337)
So, do you think that both Mr. W and Kwhit were good?


Well. I think st.cronin meant that I got confirmation that KWhit was good. I presume Mr W was good as no-one has claimed a kill on him, and there's no reason for a good guy to take out him. Unless it was a hunch again. ;)

Narcizo 04-19-2007 01:34 AM

Bah! Anxiety's gone I'll have to do all the donkey work myself.

Narcizo 04-19-2007 02:17 AM

Aha! He was in prison so couldn't bid on anyone. Right then.

Who's got the swordsman - this was Chief Rum's plan. I don't think he got a whole lot of commitment to it I'm afraid but it should help matter nevertheless.

Ardentus Enthusiastus--(sex slaves) Bid #2790 Confirmed #2838
Kayus Whitus--(sword killer) - Didn't say #2813

The following Romans are extremely wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus--(a bodyguard) - In Prison.
Passus Caglius--(the philosopher) - Claimed #2975.
Pathus Twelveus--(narcizo lawyer) Failed (I think) #2976

The following Romans are of moderate wealth:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus--(sword killer) ?
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus--(bodyguard) Dead.
Grammus Atticus--(ardent lawyer (in case Narc doesn't get back to see this before deadline)) Bid #2759
Ironus Headus--(sex slaves) ?
Narcizus Lispus--(ardent lawyer) I bid on the Philosopher. Failed.

The following remaining Romans are of normal wealth:

Autumnus Leavus--(philosopher) Bid #2782. Presumably Failed.
Chiefus Rumus--(narcizo lawyer) - Bid #2751. Claimed Ardent #2902 Claimed Narcizo #2971
Chubbus Chubbus - ?
Daddus Torgous--bodyguard In Prison
Mustangus Sallus Bid Slaves #2773
Tyrus Ithus--sword killer hinted at having a bodyguard #2948

Narcizo 04-19-2007 02:36 AM

Once again I don't think this can be right.

There was hardly any commitment to this plan so it makes it close to impossible to read. I think we can assume that KWhit didn't bid on the swordsman (unless he has a grudge against Chubby/Mr Wednesday). Ardent could have taken the swordsman and faked the sex slaves. (sending them to KWhit seems next to pointless with him in jail probably facing the rock). Or Path didn't bid on me (which Chief seems to back up).

Sooo I would say that either Path or Ardent are guilty. And possibly both. Ardent is easy to check if anyone in the lower levels got the sex slaves. Chief's nabbing me way down means that Path is lying whatever way we cut it.

Abe Sargent 04-19-2007 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 1446340)
Anxiety you're here. I'm trying to put a list together. Who did you take yesterday? I could search through the files but it's easier if you tell me.


As I mentioned earlier, I tried to get the killer, but lost.

Narcizo 04-19-2007 02:55 AM

Right now I'm not understanding quite why Ardent wasn't arrested. It was part of my plan as laid out. I said it, like, a million times. If KWhit is innocent then Ardent has to be bad.

Oh, I forgot. I also said that I'm the Wizard of Oz. :( Sorry KWhit

We could have Ardent in prison now waiting for execution. In fact, if someone had listened to my last post we could also have had Path in prison. Waiting for execution. We would have had a slamdunk.

So this turns my thoughts to Pass and Chief. Two of the three guys I've trusted the most recently. (Autumn is the other. And for reasons I'm trying hard to fathom Autumn sits in prison).

Chief stated he wasn't going to interfere in the trial. And yet he did. And then there's all this business about the lawyer. On the other hand I'm guessing that he did imprison Anxiety, which is a better move than the one favoured by Passa. (If I've read Chief correctly it was he who put Anxiety in the tank).

I don't know what to think anymore. I was certain that KWhit was bad and that wasn't the case.

Hmm.. One more thing. Gramm it looks like you got Ardent yesterday. Who did you scan? If we're following the plan you should have scanned me. It would have been nice if you'd come straight out and said that I was good, you know. Or

Narcizo 04-19-2007 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anxiety (Post 1446354)
As I mentioned earlier, I tried to get the killer, but lost.


That's only possible if Ardent got him isn't it? Ardent claims he didn't put in a bid.

Narcizo 04-19-2007 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 1446355)
Hmm.. One more thing. Gramm it looks like you got Ardent yesterday. Who did you scan? If we're following the plan you should have scanned me. It would have been nice if you'd come straight out and said that I was good, you know. Or


... did you scan someone else?

Abe Sargent 04-19-2007 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 1446355)
If KWhit is innocent then Ardent has to be bad.



That's not true. I cleared them both. There is no either/or here.

Narcizo 04-19-2007 03:17 AM

I'm getting a bad feeling about this. Either Anxiety or Ardent has got the swordsman. Both have been playing pretty erratically in this game but my money's on Ardent being bad - the evidence points to it. But Anxiety has cleared Ardent. Either they're both in it together or the lawyer scan is bogus.

Narcizo 04-19-2007 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anxiety (Post 1446362)
That's not true. I cleared them both. There is no either/or here.


Well then either you're a wolf or the lawyer scan is bogus. If you're a wolf scanning and clearing KWhit makes you look good. What happens if you then scan a wolf and claim he's good?

Narcizo 04-19-2007 03:28 AM

If lawyer scans are bogus then I'm not liking our chances at the moment.

Narcizo 04-19-2007 03:37 AM

Chief, who did you scan yesterday? And why did you influence the vote?

Chief Rum 04-19-2007 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast (Post 1446282)
Balbus Senna visited me. Boring.

Kwhit was loyal. I guess we lynched him. :(

Back to catching up.

BTW, I didn't get a service tonight. I wasn't told what to bid on and forgot to do it. Sorry. :(


You see, this is the maddening part. At the start of this day, it was Anxiety and Ardent at the top of the wealth chain. No one was higher. Everyone was lower. Anxiety claims to have bid on the sword killer and didn't get him. Only one person could beat him for that, and that's you. And you're claiming you didn't bid on a service at all.

So one of you is lying. This is exactly why we're having the problems we're having.

I am very disappointed Autumn is in the tank right now and not ardent. Narcizo's plan was a solid one, and now we'll have to choose whether to kill Anxiety.

Another thing--how on Earth have we not hit a wolf with our rock tosses yet? I am extremely suspicious now. Just out of pure luck we ought to have hit one by now.

I am beginning to strongly suspect that both of our lawyers must be in league (only explanation I can come up with, despite my long held belief that Narcizo has been way too helpful to be a Tarq) and perhaps with Anxiety.

As for a bidding plan, I did not submit one on purpose. Frankly, people weren't showing up and announcing their bids. I didn't see any value in putting up a new one, since the lack of full participation was limiting its effectiveness anyway.

That doesn't mean for everyone to not put in bids, though, and announce them.

I bid for the sword killer and did not get him (no surprise, I am one of the poorest, as I have been most of the game).

Chief Rum 04-19-2007 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 1446355)
Right now I'm not understanding quite why Ardent wasn't arrested. It was part of my plan as laid out. I said it, like, a million times. If KWhit is innocent then Ardent has to be bad.

Oh, I forgot. I also said that I'm the Wizard of Oz. :( Sorry KWhit

We could have Ardent in prison now waiting for execution. In fact, if someone had listened to my last post we could also have had Path in prison. Waiting for execution. We would have had a slamdunk.

So this turns my thoughts to Pass and Chief. Two of the three guys I've trusted the most recently. (Autumn is the other. And for reasons I'm trying hard to fathom Autumn sits in prison).

Chief stated he wasn't going to interfere in the trial. And yet he did. And then there's all this business about the lawyer. On the other hand I'm guessing that he did imprison Anxiety, which is a better move than the one favoured by Passa. (If I've read Chief correctly it was he who put Anxiety in the tank).

I don't know what to think anymore. I was certain that KWhit was bad and that wasn't the case.

Hmm.. One more thing. Gramm it looks like you got Ardent yesterday. Who did you scan? If we're following the plan you should have scanned me. It would have been nice if you'd come straight out and said that I was good, you know. Or


I may have misunderstood you, Narc. Although I'm not sure now why you wouldn't want me to have done what I did. I thought you didn't want influence so that we didn't have a situation like we did with Anxiety getting free and Daddy Torgo getting threown because of lawyers. It seemed like it was important for KWhit to get tossed as part of your plan. So I made sure we didn't have a repeat of the previous day's result and prosecuted KWhit.

Since I chose to offer you up for prosecuting, I didn't get a scan.

Chief Rum 04-19-2007 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 1446367)
If lawyer scans are bogus then I'm not liking our chances at the moment.


If lawyer scans are bogus, I'm beginning to get seriously chipped about the lack of verifiable information in this game. I wish we had more concrete evidence available here.

Chief Rum 04-19-2007 04:03 AM

BTW, yes, it was I that put Anxiety back in jail. I actually thought it was fairly obvious. I mean, the other guys on my list were Tyrith and MrWednesday. Why on Earth would I arrest either of those guys?

Still, there seemed to be tons of discussion on whether I had arrested Anxiety. I guess I should have just said I am arresting Anxiety. :rolleyes:

Narcizo 04-19-2007 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 1446374)
BTW, yes, it was I that put Anxiety back in jail. I actually thought it was fairly obvious. I mean, the other guys on my list were Tyrith and MrWednesday. Why on Earth would I arrest either of those guys?

Still, there seemed to be tons of discussion on whether I had arrested Anxiety. I guess I should have just said I am arresting Anxiety. :rolleyes:


Going back to check on Pass' reason for jailing Autumn. It just seems bizarre to me that he didn't arrest Ardent.

Narcizo 04-19-2007 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1445856)
Anyway, I'd like to hear from Autumn on arrest possibilities.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 1445894)
My arrest suggestions would be Anxietus and Ardentus.


I'm starting to feel pretty bad about Pass.

Chief Rum 04-19-2007 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 1446377)
I'm starting to feel pretty bad about Pass.


Not that he isn't already under suspicion but that puts ardent in a bad light, too. I think most people paying attention would only have reached the conclusion I was arresting Anxiety. Ardent wasn't on my list. So choosing to ignore the person he stated he wanted to listen to might also show he was protecting ardent.

Of course, this is above and beyond the extraordinary oddity of him arresting the very person he wanted arrest advice from.

BTW, I hope you don't mind I have to be suspicious of even you now. It makes sense, you know, that for us to have the wool pulled over our eyes this much, both lawyers would have to be in on it, and you and ardent have been the lawyering pair for some time right now.

I get the feeling the talk after this game ends about what was really going on is going to be as long as the thread itself.

Narcizo 04-19-2007 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anxiety (Post 1446011)
1), Arrest me an AE. Your argument that someotnhing could happen to clear me stands, but if I am cealerd, say bvy today's seer, AND arrested, then that clears AE by extension. So you;d be stuck voting someone off that is cleared. That is why you shouldn;t have either AE and me to choose from. Its a bad strategy.

2). Arrest just me. If somethings does happen to clear me, then at least no republicans can die. I will bid on the sword killer today. If I end up with a lawyer, then you know I'm lying. When I had the option to send a lawyer to the Senate earlier, it was to prosecute. I won't habe a laywer, and noone can send one to help me. If you want to kill me, then commit - stop playing footsie. If you think my death is the Rosetta Stone, then I'm not going to stand in your way.


OK. Looks like you got your wish Anxiety. It'll probably get me killed but I

Vote to Execute Anxiety

I'd like Path and Ardent placed under arrest at the moment. I suspect I'm only going to get one wish fulfilled so I say Ardent is the greater danger and has by far the most evidence against him.

Narcizo 04-19-2007 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 1446378)
BTW, I hope you don't mind I have to be suspicious of even you now. It makes sense, you know, that for us to have the wool pulled over our eyes this much, both lawyers would have to be in on it, and you and ardent have been the lawyering pair for some time right now.


Well I was starting to get a bit suspicious of you as well. I guess that's the fun of werewolf.

Poli 04-19-2007 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ironhead (Post 1446321)
Question regarding sharing of information in Werewolf. I am going to try and do an extensive update on the service history for the game tomorrow. Would anyone have any objections to me posting that as a *.pdf to share?

Not sure I know what you mean. That said, no objection.

Poli 04-19-2007 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 1446331)
I don't know what this means and I don't even know if I should reveal it considering the fact that it might have some relevence but I got a PM stating that Mr Wednesday was a good guy.

I presume st.cronin just got the name wrong and he meant KWhit.


Had to be an error. I've never received a message for a sword kill.

Poli 04-19-2007 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 1446353)
Once again I don't think this can be right.

There was hardly any commitment to this plan so it makes it close to impossible to read. I think we can assume that KWhit didn't bid on the swordsman (unless he has a grudge against Chubby/Mr Wednesday). Ardent could have taken the swordsman and faked the sex slaves. (sending them to KWhit seems next to pointless with him in jail probably facing the rock). Or Path didn't bid on me (which Chief seems to back up).

Sooo I would say that either Path or Ardent are guilty. And possibly both. Ardent is easy to check if anyone in the lower levels got the sex slaves. Chief's nabbing me way down means that Path is lying whatever way we cut it.

Only....again....I'm telling the truth. I would have just sent them to myself if only CR had given the word. Instead he said send them somewhere else. I had little time yesterday morning (posting here and putting together my IHOF game plan, I just made the playoffs and those today) and so I quickly thought of who I would want to have them. I thought kwhit might end up with the sword killer so I sent the slaves to him.

No need in having myself sword killed, afterall. Self preservation.

You won't have anyone come forward saying they got the sex slaves for yesterday. If you do, you know they're lieing.

Poli 04-19-2007 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 1446355)
Right now I'm not understanding quite why Ardent wasn't arrested. It was part of my plan as laid out. I said it, like, a million times. If KWhit is innocent then Ardent has to be bad.

Oh, I forgot. I also said that I'm the Wizard of Oz. :( Sorry KWhit

We could have Ardent in prison now waiting for execution. In fact, if someone had listened to my last post we could also have had Path in prison. Waiting for execution. We would have had a slamdunk.

So this turns my thoughts to Pass and Chief. Two of the three guys I've trusted the most recently. (Autumn is the other. And for reasons I'm trying hard to fathom Autumn sits in prison).

Chief stated he wasn't going to interfere in the trial. And yet he did. And then there's all this business about the lawyer. On the other hand I'm guessing that he did imprison Anxiety, which is a better move than the one favoured by Passa. (If I've read Chief correctly it was he who put Anxiety in the tank).

I don't know what to think anymore. I was certain that KWhit was bad and that wasn't the case.

Hmm.. One more thing. Gramm it looks like you got Ardent yesterday. Who did you scan? If we're following the plan you should have scanned me. It would have been nice if you'd come straight out and said that I was good, you know. Or

Maybe they're like me. I have no clue how you've laid out that I am bad if Kwhit was good. And he WAS good.

And I am good. And you WILL apologize for all this when it's over.

Poli 04-19-2007 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 1446356)
That's only possible if Ardent got him isn't it? Ardent claims he didn't put in a bid.

Considering the only PMs I got from cronin yesterday were stating that kwhit was loyal and that he ate a grapefruit thinking it was an orange, yeah, I didn't put in a bid.

Again, no bid from me yesterday. Forgot to do it in my rush.

Poli 04-19-2007 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 1446363)
I'm getting a bad feeling about this. Either Anxiety or Ardent has got the swordsman. Both have been playing pretty erratically in this game but my money's on Ardent being bad - the evidence points to it. But Anxiety has cleared Ardent. Either they're both in it together or the lawyer scan is bogus.


Again, no sword killer here. I didn't bid on anything.

Poli 04-19-2007 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 1446371)
You see, this is the maddening part. At the start of this day, it was Anxiety and Ardent at the top of the wealth chain. No one was higher. Everyone was lower. Anxiety claims to have bid on the sword killer and didn't get him. Only one person could beat him for that, and that's you. And you're claiming you didn't bid on a service at all.

So one of you is lying. This is exactly why we're having the problems we're having.

I am very disappointed Autumn is in the tank right now and not ardent. Narcizo's plan was a solid one, and now we'll have to choose whether to kill Anxiety.

Another thing--how on Earth have we not hit a wolf with our rock tosses yet? I am extremely suspicious now. Just out of pure luck we ought to have hit one by now.

I am beginning to strongly suspect that both of our lawyers must be in league (only explanation I can come up with, despite my long held belief that Narcizo has been way too helpful to be a Tarq) and perhaps with Anxiety.

As for a bidding plan, I did not submit one on purpose. Frankly, people weren't showing up and announcing their bids. I didn't see any value in putting up a new one, since the lack of full participation was limiting its effectiveness anyway.

That doesn't mean for everyone to not put in bids, though, and announce them.

I bid for the sword killer and did not get him (no surprise, I am one of the poorest, as I have been most of the game).


Here's the deal. I didn't send in a PM at all. There's no way I bid on something. I didn't have a message from you, and it slipped my mind.

I didn't even realize I hadn't put a bid in until I saw the message about kwhit. Since that was my only pm, I realize I didn't bid on someone.

Poli 04-19-2007 06:32 AM

I'd also like to note that I'm about to leave for the day, and I still don't have CR or someone telling me who to bid on.

I WILL BE BIDDING ON THE SWORD KILLER.

I WILL BE GOING TO STAUNTON OR MAYBE MT. OLIVE, IL. IT'S ABOUT A 2 HOUR DRIVE FROM PARK HILLS, WHERE I LIVE.

That means I will be again, largely unavailable.

I am getting sick and tired of this game and people claiming I had to have lied. I haven't. Not once.

I am absolutely sick of it.

Narcizo 04-19-2007 06:59 AM

I shan't say anything more as you can't defend yourself for the next 12 hours then.

Poli 04-19-2007 07:04 AM

Thanks, and I'm out of here. Already running late. Banged up from softball and I'm stiff as a board.

Poli 04-19-2007 07:06 AM

VOTE AE FOR CONSUL.

VOTE AUTUMN FOR CONSUL.

Nearly forgot those.

Narcizo 04-19-2007 07:32 AM

OK I've been thinking about this and I'm going to ask for whatever evidence anyone thinks they have on Autumn to step forward. I'd also like some sort of vote. It seems to me that we're nearing the end game. I think there's now a decent chance we can win but that chance diminishes for every villager we lose and we still don't know how many wolves we're dealing with. A bogus execution and a kill today could, potentially, lose us the game.

We know that a two-lawyer combo can completely turn a vote while one lawyer can make a difference and I'm not about to let that happen when it looks like Ardent or Anxiety seem to have the swordsman today and that Ardent will get him tomorrow. It's not something I do lightly but I don't really think "voting patterns" are going to tell us anything today. So I'd like an informal vote as to whether I should exercise my veto right should Autumn be executed. And I'd like anyone to present whatever doubts they have about Autumn. The drawback is that a one man vote means that people can abstain and miss the vote. (I think).

Obviously my time zone restricts me here but I will hold off pulling the trigger for as long as possible. But I'm currently leaning towards doing it.

We also have to vote consuls. And I've noticed a fault in my argument above and I'm interested in hearing from Barkeep and Ironhead about what services they bid on yesterday.

Possible counsels are Ardent, Anxiety, Path, Barkeep, Grammaticus, Ironhead, Autumn, Mustang, Tyrus.

I want a bit more info before making a move on the consel vote. I like Autumn but I want to hear if people think there's a good enough case against him to be executed. I, obviously, won't be voting for Ardent, Anxiety or Path and I have some reservations about Barkeep and Ironhead (not much about Ironhead to be honest), so I'll probably be looking at Gramma, Mustang and Tyrus.

Grammaticus 04-19-2007 08:24 AM

Vote Grammaticus Atticus for Consul

Vote Autumnus for Consul


These are the two people I trust the most outside of Nard and CR, neither of which can run.

Narcizo 04-19-2007 08:33 AM

So I've pretty much given my trust list there but for what it's worth. I reckon that 3 of the bottom 4 are bad. Don't know how many more that leaves from the rest. Presumably 1 or 2. I'm really hoping it's 1.

Chief
Autumn
Tyrus
Ironhead
Grammaticus
Mustang
Barkeep
Pass
Path
Ardent
Anxiety

Narcizo 04-19-2007 08:42 AM

OK I'm off home soon. Probably will only be in briefly tonight. Unless something radical breaks I will change my votes to nightfall and I'll see what everyone has to say about vetoing a Autumn lynch.

Vote Autumn for Consul
Vote Tyrith for Consul


Taken straight from my trust list.

Passacaglia 04-19-2007 09:25 AM

Blah, I posted this morning, but it looks like it didn't go through. Basically, I chose autumn because I figured CR was going to choose anxiety, and I was worried about what effects jailing the lawyer would have on us. I prodded Autumn for information earlier, then jailed him, because he made a comment about Mustang and I forming a circle of trust, because we happened to vote for each other for Consul. I don't expect him to be executed, but I just felt a little suspicious of him from his comment about me, and I didn't feel convinced in his choice of ardent for jailing.

Tyrith 04-19-2007 09:28 AM

Narcizo, I wouldn't be horribly offended if you vetoed Autumn's execution. At this point if you two are both tarqs and in league together, well, good game to you sir.

Lack of verifiable information = PITA. Not getting a scan yesterday = inconvenient, although I think Rum probably made the right play. Not having anyone I can really trust right now = frustrating. I feel like we have to make another darned execution just to figure out where we stand...and there are 12 people left. A little late in the game for that. Unless Anxiety and CW were really in it together, which is certainly possible, otherwise then pretty much the entire field is back in play...damn, I just don't know.

Going to hold off on most of my votes for now, but I'm willing to support myself for consul today.

VOTE ELECT TYRITH

Tyrith 04-19-2007 09:32 AM

Ugh, pass's explanation for yesterday doesn't make me terrifically happy with our legal system being so monarchial.

BTW, I have some weird bug that whenever I try to use the "Quote" button to start a new post on this comp it quotes a post I did that with yesterday -- one of Autumn's really long posts, but it's the same one every time. Can anyone tell me what's causing that?

Abe Sargent 04-19-2007 09:51 AM

I seriously think you guys should be voting nightfall. Let's get this over with.

Tyrith 04-19-2007 09:54 AM

Screw it.

VOTE ELECT AUTUMN

VOTE EXECUTE ANXIETY

Tyrith 04-19-2007 09:55 AM

Tyrith sues Mustang, path, Gramm

Passacaglia 04-19-2007 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anxiety (Post 1446481)
I seriously think you guys should be voting nightfall. Let's get this over with.


Am I missing something? What are you talking about?

Autumn 04-19-2007 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrith (Post 1446475)
Ugh, pass's explanation for yesterday doesn't make me terrifically happy with our legal system being so monarchial.

BTW, I have some weird bug that whenever I try to use the "Quote" button to start a new post on this comp it quotes a post I did that with yesterday -- one of Autumn's really long posts, but it's the same one every time. Can anyone tell me what's causing that?


That's my angry spirit haunting you from jail. ;-)

Chief Rum 04-19-2007 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast (Post 1446397)
I'd also like to note that I'm about to leave for the day, and I still don't have CR or someone telling me who to bid on.

I WILL BE BIDDING ON THE SWORD KILLER.

I WILL BE GOING TO STAUNTON OR MAYBE MT. OLIVE, IL. IT'S ABOUT A 2 HOUR DRIVE FROM PARK HILLS, WHERE I LIVE.

That means I will be again, largely unavailable.

I am getting sick and tired of this game and people claiming I had to have lied. I haven't. Not once.

I am absolutely sick of it.


Jeez, AE, why are you being so sensitive? This is Werewolf! If you don't think people are going to call out other people based on the evidence, you should find a new game.

I don't know if you're lying or not. I don't know if Anxiety is. I already knew what your story was on bidding yesterday; there was no need to repeat it ad nauseum several posts in a row. Okay, fine, we get it.

Also, you keep laying out me saying I received your services yesterday as if I somehow chose to do that intentionally to screw with you. Go back and read my posts. There was a moderator error. I was incorrectly informed that I had received your services. I am sorry if I didn't find out I actually had Narcizo until after you left, but if you still have a big issue, take it up with st. cronin, not me.

Look at the rule set. The wealthy win the services. Look at who the wealthy were yesterday: you and Anxiety. And you two have made contradictory statements about your services. You don't see how we would rationally come to this conclusion?

It was nothing personal, as your reaction suggests you're taking it. We're just looking at the evidence. None of it makes sense. It's not the first time and it hasn't just involved you or Anxiety this game. A couple days ago, path claimed to bid on Narcizo the lawyer, and I won him, clearly on a lower wealth ring. How did that happen? One of us must be lying there, too. If someone came out and said I had to be lying, I couldn't deny the evidence, even if I would tell them I wasn't.

I understand you're frustrated. You think the rest of us (who aren't Tarqs) feel different? We don't need this crap right now.

I don't care if you won't read this for 12 hours. I won't read your response for at least 15-16 hours, and I'm not going to respond to you about it. I'm having my say now and that's it. You can have yours and rip into me all you want, as I am sure you will. I'm not going to clog up the thread with this any further.

Chief Rum 04-19-2007 12:07 PM

I am not putting together a plan, because frankly, it's not working. Half of the people involved either aren't bidding for services, or not coming back and saying if they won them or not. Until we have a player roster that will be around and go along with it, I'm not going to waste my time setting one up. I'm glad ardent has bid on the sword killer. Hopefully the rest of you who are high up will bid elsewhere and announce it here.

I'm going to make my arrest order obvious:

I'M GOING TO ARREST ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

There shouldn't be any debate about who I arrest today, although Passacagia at least got the hint yesterday apparently. I'm not arresting ardent for any personal reasons. I had already decided yesterday before I read the latests responses that I was going to arrest him. As I said earlier, I was disappointed he wasn't in jail already.

VOTE TYRITH CONSUL
VOTE AUTUMN CONSUL

That's what I am going with for consuls today.

VOTE THROW ANXIETY OFF OF ROCK

Once again, no great feel for Anxiety's guilt or innocence. Much like KWhit, there is evidence both ways (as it is with ardent and path and several others as well). But we don't learn anything in any other way. Without any concrete evidence in this game, all we can do is keep killing our top suspects, and maybe if we're lucky, we'll finally get one.

I am bidding on Narcizo the lawyer.

I am out for the rest of the day. Good luck. Somebody please just kill me.

Autumn 04-19-2007 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1446473)
Blah, I posted this morning, but it looks like it didn't go through. Basically, I chose autumn because I figured CR was going to choose anxiety, and I was worried about what effects jailing the lawyer would have on us. I prodded Autumn for information earlier, then jailed him, because he made a comment about Mustang and I forming a circle of trust, because we happened to vote for each other for Consul. I don't expect him to be executed, but I just felt a little suspicious of him from his comment about me, and I didn't feel convinced in his choice of ardent for jailing.


Well, that will teach me to make offhand remarks. I would have hoped spending all day doing useful analysis would counteract my "circle of trust" remark. I don't even remember why I said that, but something about you two both electing each other or something? It seems the sort of thing we're supposed to be trying to notice here.

I can't say I'm not frustrated at how this went. I'm not the one pushing for Ardent to be in jail!! How many times have i said that? I arrested KWhit and Anxiety, even though Ardent was a suspect even then. I said we should rearrest Anxiety. We need to make two arrests though, and several *other* people were pushing for Ardent. Given we don't have any other real suspects that I know of, it makes sense to me.

Yes, jailing a lawyer is bad. But we've been avoiding that from day one, and it seems to me there's a lot of evidence that either Ardent or Anxiety is bad. Somebody's killing people with the sword killer. And again - it wasn't my idea! I guess next time people ask me for my opinion on arrests I should just keep my mouth shut.

I'm not going to come up with some conspiracy theory about how this happened, since all game we've all been making good intentioned mistakes. It seems a rather inopportune time though to arrest someone high on the trust list, getting high on the wealth list, and getting votes for consul. Oh well.

Tyrith 04-19-2007 12:23 PM

If we're afraid of the lawyers screwing with our votes...

If we're not able to get scan results from them anyway...

If we can't trust the scan results we do get...

Screw keeping AE out of jail. At this point it's not helping too much, is it?

Tyrith 04-19-2007 12:26 PM

We haven't heard much at all out of BK for the last day or two, I'd like to note.

Grammaticus 04-19-2007 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrith (Post 1446584)
If we're afraid of the lawyers screwing with our votes...

If we're not able to get scan results from them anyway...

If we can't trust the scan results we do get...

Screw keeping AE out of jail. At this point it's not helping too much, is it?


It's nice to know that lawyers have not changed much in the last 2,500 years or so. :)

Passacaglia 04-19-2007 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrith (Post 1446584)
If we're afraid of the lawyers screwing with our votes...

If we're not able to get scan results from them anyway...

If we can't trust the scan results we do get...

Screw keeping AE out of jail. At this point it's not helping too much, is it?


You're probably right -- at this point, he's probably more likely to keep a wolf free, rather than keep an innocent person free. I guess I'm just afraid that we don't know as much as we think we do, and an innocent person might need help against the majority -- and they might be able to get it, while the wolves are out trying to hire the killer.

Tyrith 04-19-2007 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1446609)
You're probably right -- at this point, he's probably more likely to keep a wolf free, rather than keep an innocent person free. I guess I'm just afraid that we don't know as much as we think we do, and an innocent person might need help against the majority -- and they might be able to get it, while the wolves are out trying to hire the killer.


But if a bad guy is fighting against the majority and can get a lawyer to get out of it, we're in worse shape (don't know HOW much worse at this point, but clearly worse shape) than if we accidentally get a good guy offed because of it. And if the good guy gets help we're probably going to think he's bad and try to kill him again anyway.

Narcizo 04-19-2007 01:04 PM

Meh! I'm not going to have any time tonight. I get one "maybe" from Tyrith, pretty typical for this game really. (admittedly my time zone doesn't help)

To my mind this execution is about whether Anxiety is bad or not. (I think he is - others think he might be and it will give info). I'm not fantastically happy with Pass' explanation of why he chose Autumn. I have him high up my trust list so I'm going to make this vote soley about Anxiety. I'm a bit dubious if you want to use his execution to find information even if he's innocent at this late stage but so be it. I think he's guilty, he was in and out when I was trying to ask him stuff and just didn't offer much explanation. There's been a bunch of stuff I have thought was odd about him all game. I could go and dig it up but Doctor Who is nearly on so I won't. :)

I'm sending my veto order to st.cronin. You still have to vote Autumn or Anxiety but Autumn will be the equivalent of Anxiety = innocent in a one man vote.

Don't know how I do this st.cronin.

Vote Nightfall

I think we get our first confirmed wolf today.

Abe Sargent 04-19-2007 01:20 PM

Anything anyone wanna know beore I die? any questions you would liek to get the answers to before I die?

Autumn 04-19-2007 01:30 PM

Obviously, I'm happy to be freed, and given the lawyer interference in this game, it seems a safe order to put in, just in case. We don't want another Daddyus Torgous incident.

Obviously, I don't get to bid on anything today. As for consul, why buck the trend? I'll vote for myself. Other than me we've got three votes for Tyrus and one for Grammus and Ardentus. Tyrith seems a good bet, he's been active lately and seems likely to be sure to make an arrest and to listen to the crowd. So I'll stay with the crowd.

ELECT AUTUMNUS LEAVUS TO CONSUL
ELECT TYRUS ITHUS TO CONSUL

VOTE TO THROW ABEUS ANXIETUS FROM THE ROCK
VOTE NIGHTFALL

Tyrith 04-19-2007 01:31 PM

VOTE NIGHTFALL

Autumn 04-19-2007 02:03 PM

I can't imagine we're going to have enough people get in here before night to do a nightfall. Some people haven't been showing up until right before deadline, so they might even miss it. I don't know whether everybody's just busy lately, or if everybody's a traitor and lurking :-) I'll get back to work and check in occasionally.

path12 04-19-2007 03:12 PM

Seems like the decision is already made, I guess.

VOTE TYRITHUS CONSUL
VOTE AUTUMNUS CONSUL

TOSS ABEUS


I'm going to bid on the second bodyguard, if anyone is still paying attention to those types of things.

Passacaglia 04-19-2007 03:32 PM

Well just in case we do get a nightfall vote (I don't remember seeing this in the rules?)...

VOTE EXECUTE ANXIETUS
VOTE NARCIZUS CONSUL
VOTE IRONHEADUS CONSUL

Tyrith 04-19-2007 03:38 PM

Narcizo is ineligible for consul...

Grammaticus 04-19-2007 03:44 PM

I think Autumn is more likely to be good.

Vote to throw Abeus Anxietus onto the rock

st.cronin 04-19-2007 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grammaticus (Post 1446734)
I think Autumn is more likely to be good.

Vote to throw Abeus Anxietus onto the rock


nightfall?

Poli 04-19-2007 04:30 PM

Oh

Nightfall

Just got home. Going to eat with my wife and then I'll be back.

Grammaticus 04-19-2007 04:38 PM

Nightfall

Passacaglia 04-19-2007 04:42 PM

Oh, duh.

VOTE PATH12 CONSUL

Ironhead 04-19-2007 04:58 PM

http://download.yousendit.com/4512C0A626031EFF

I am trying to update my list of services that everyone has won and what they have bid on. I uploaded lists of what I have right now above. I am going to go back through the thread to try and piece together the bids of people who are no longer in the game. For the people currently in the game it would be much easier for everyone if you just stated what you have bid on and won in the past. There really is no reason not to reveal that information at this point unless there is something to hide.

Autumn 04-19-2007 05:04 PM

I'm taking a look at that report, Senator, and see what I can add.

Abe Sargent 04-19-2007 05:27 PM

Okay, I had a few minutes here. It seems that no one had any questions to ask me before I died to gt any info out there. I beleive I said everything, but I'd have been happy to have givien more. I'll not be back until after lynch. By then, I'll be dead, and I can at least get my sadistic little "Hah hah" moment out of the way.

Catch you on the flip side.

Autumn 04-19-2007 05:28 PM

Here's a quick first pass through ... I'll be back later and look at this again. You had some things I didn't have, so I can't confirm your whole list, but here are additions.

Additions to Bids Won:

Day 4
Pascalligus won Maximus Maximus
I have Mustang winning Furious, but this seems to not work with your chart, so not sure what happened there.

Day 5
Cofee WArlord wins Animus Sentus

Day 6
Passcaligus wins a bodyguard

Day 7
Anxiety wins Narcizo

Day 8
Tyrith wins a bodyguard

Ironhead 04-19-2007 06:13 PM

Something I can definitely say in defense on Anxiety is that in going through the list of services that people have bid on he is the only other play in the game that I have a recorded bid for every single day.

Barkeep49 04-19-2007 06:31 PM

Work is busy tonight. I'm going to go ahead and vote for

Autumn and Tyrith for Consuls

Ironhead 04-19-2007 06:38 PM

I have to be honest, I just don't see why everyone thinks Anxiety is bad. The only thing that I can point to that really left a bad taste in my mouth was when he used slaves on Ardent and prevented Dodgerchick from defending herself. Then again I might have made a mistake when I used Ardent to prosecute DaddyTorgo. But from everything I can tell he was pretty transparent throughout the game, much more than I can say about most players in the game.

Anxiety or Autumn. I don't think either are guilty. I have to point out that there are 12 players still left in the game. If we assume there were 5 or 6 wolves to start the game this could be the last night of the game if the victory condition was to obtain even numbers. I am not willing to place my vote on either Senator.

VOTE TO ABSTAIN FROM THE LYNCH

VOTE IRONHEAD FOR CONSUL
VOTE AUTUMN FOR CONSUL

Mustang 04-19-2007 07:02 PM

SUE EVERYONE

VOTE EXECUTE AUTUMNUS

It is my opinion that the suing has some hidden mechanic. I'm going with the person that has the higher win percentage. Seems as much as people like to analyze and chatter that this hasn't even been remotely discussed and glossed over. (Think I saw one person ask for it so, I went back).

VOTE AE Consul
VOTE Anxietus Consul

Autumn 04-19-2007 07:02 PM

I'm not sure when deadline is going to be, but my votes are all set. Looks like I'm on for giving the kids a bath and putting them to bed, so I won't be on 'til later. Looks to me like Mustang is the only one who hasn't voted yet.

Poli 04-19-2007 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast (Post 1446785)
Oh

Nightfall

Just got home. Going to eat with my wife and then I'll be back.

Well, that party definitely sucked balls. Long story short, I still haven't eaten and I think my mother in law is probably ticked off at us. Heh, so be it.

Anyhow, I'll catch up now.

Autumn 04-19-2007 07:04 PM

dola

I spoke too soon. That's all of us. It certainly seems there's some mechanic behind suits, but it's not at all clear to me what it is. I initially thought it was just an inherent hidden characteristic of each player, but it seems to have changed over the course of the game.

It doesn't seem to have any sort of correlation between who I trust and mistrust, or who has been shown to be innocent, so I haven't paid much heed to it.

Poli 04-19-2007 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anxiety (Post 1446481)
I seriously think you guys should be voting nightfall. Let's get this over with.

My bad, dude. I forgot to do that earlier. Hopefully we're all set soon if not already.

Mustang 04-19-2007 07:06 PM

Given that nothing else has worked to date.. I'm trying something new.

Mustang 04-19-2007 07:06 PM

Vote Nightfall

st.cronin 04-19-2007 07:10 PM

I think I can say deadline, let me just double check everything.

Poli 04-19-2007 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 1446569)
Jeez, AE, why are you being so sensitive? This is Werewolf! If you don't think people are going to call out other people based on the evidence, you should find a new game.

OOG: There wasn't a rip on you, at least not intended. It's just I've come to rely on you for information, and that's actually probably a bad thing at this point. Still, I've felt like I could trust you after a few days and have done so.

I didn't intend for anything I wrote this morning to seem like I was more than angry at you. In fact, I can't remember most of what I said. It's just I hate having people assume I'm lieing when I most definitely am not.

I've actually looked forward to the mornings because I knew your analysis would provide me with information on what is going on and who to look at.

And, you're right. I should probably leave the game. You're right, it is werewolf. And you're probaby right, I'm tired of it.

Poli 04-19-2007 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 1446573)
I am not putting together a plan, because frankly, it's not working. Half of the people involved either aren't bidding for services, or not coming back and saying if they won them or not. Until we have a player roster that will be around and go along with it, I'm not going to waste my time setting one up. I'm glad ardent has bid on the sword killer. Hopefully the rest of you who are high up will bid elsewhere and announce it here.

I'm going to make my arrest order obvious:

I'M GOING TO ARREST ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

Meh.

Poli 04-19-2007 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ironhead (Post 1446862)
Something I can definitely say in defense on Anxiety is that in going through the list of services that people have bid on he is the only other play in the game that I have a recorded bid for every single day.

Winging it here a bit, but I know I bid on the slaves again in day 3...did that two days in a row.

After the horses, I bid on the philosopher I believe. The next day I believe I tried for a legionaire.

I would say I could check my PM history, but I've been cleaning that out on a near daily basis.

The last day with nothing is most definitely correct.


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