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wustin 12-23-2020 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3319470)
So Trump, Pelosi, and AOC agree on the $2000 direct payments. Did Trump become a socialist or are Pelosi and AOC going to begin donning red hats from now on?


it's funny when republicans like to change the definition of communism to fit their narrative but when it comes to socialism they like using the book definition to prove whatever trump signs off and spends isn't socialistic.

GrantDawg 12-23-2020 11:31 AM

I am not denying the trillions given to big businesses without getting guarantees for workers weren't wasteful, Rainmaker. Just pointing out you were moving the goalposts. "They should have been running on 2k checks " "Well, they already passed 2k checks but the Senate didn't take it up" "Then they should have been running on 3k checks"..
Honestly, checks are great, but I feel like getting the extended unemployment bump and the PPP for super small businesses much more important. I would prefer a 1k-2k monthly income enhancement across the board over all of it. And free healthcare.

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GrantDawg 12-23-2020 11:35 AM

And a pony

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cuervo72 12-23-2020 12:35 PM

Monthly? Because those ponies would add up quick.

RainMaker 12-23-2020 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3319517)
I am not denying the trillions given to big businesses without getting guarantees for workers weren't wasteful, Rainmaker. Just pointing out you were moving the goalposts. "They should have been running on 2k checks " "Well, they already passed 2k checks but the Senate didn't take it up" "Then they should have been running on 3k checks"..
Honestly, checks are great, but I feel like getting the extended unemployment bump and the PPP for super small businesses much more important. I would prefer a 1k-2k monthly income enhancement across the board over all of it. And free healthcare.


It didn't seem to be part of the campaign at all. Just saying I think stimulus checks should have been one of the main messages. Maybe they would have done better actually campaigning on something.

You can also do PPC, unemployment, and stimulus checks. Seems like a priority over handing banks and other large businesses a slush fund when they spent the last 5 years buying back stock.

Edward64 12-23-2020 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3319459)
I'm not a Republican voter, but FWIW I would benefit and I don't want the government sending me more money. It should go places where it's really needed and to people who deserve it. I don't deserve more of other people's money simply for existing.


I'm like you (well, I may become a Republican voter in 2020, we'll see how it goes) but me, wife and family have been fortunate.

I've previously stated it would be better if the stimulus check is more targeted. As others countered, pay it now to everyone to speed it up and take it back during tax season for the more wealthy. Well, they are paying it now but they aren't planning to take it back from the more wealthy during tax season. So we are where we are.

Regardless, I gave up waiting for this second check and bought the Peloton (enjoying it btw). Wife and I agreed that whatever we get, we'll divide by 4 and tell the kids to actually spend/donate the money, not save it.

RainMaker 12-23-2020 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3319463)
Interesting summary on that video, but it was not what she said. She sees Trump as trying to prevent the rest of the bill passing (unemployment extensions, PPP, money for the vaccines), which is an attack on the American people. $2k is great, but we must have those other things as well.


I know she has her little pet project in the deal to get landlords in the entertainment industry paid. But there should be no reason to object to the $2000 if you're a Democrat. Her response should be "it sucks he did this at the last minute but I support an additional $1400".

Remember that Klobuchar has always sucked.

Klobuchar, Sasse, Booker, Scott Introduce Legislation to Help Unemployed American Workers Access Skills Training Programs During Coronavirus Pandemic - News Releases - U.S. Senator Amy Klobuchar

Drake 12-23-2020 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3319520)
Monthly? Because those ponies would add up quick.


:banana: :banana: :banana:

ISiddiqui 12-23-2020 02:27 PM

Trump vetoes defense bill, teeing up holiday override votes in Congress
By Karoun Demirjian

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...036_story.html

This seems like it will be overriden. Even Republicans in Congress aren't fond of his holding up defense spending because they won't remove protections for social media companies in an unrelated bill.

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ISiddiqui 12-23-2020 02:50 PM

And apparently there is talk that regardless of Trump's words last night, he may still sign the Covid relief bill. I'd say that if he does, the Dems should immediately introduce an additional $1400 direct payment to make it $2000. Of course McConnell is going to reject it... As he did last year.

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GrantDawg 12-23-2020 03:05 PM

I am sorry, there is a problem with giving people money to retrain for in demand jobs? You definitely lost me there.

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miami_fan 12-23-2020 04:13 PM

We don't have a news media thread do we?

Anyways, I don't want to dunk on Fox News during a down time for the company but damn. I typed "incoming ceo smithfield foods" into Google and I got a picture of the incoming CEO of Smithfield Foods. The guy who was interviewed does not look like the guy who who is the actual incoming CEO.

Fox Business anchor says she was 'punk'd' on air by animal rights activist | TheHill

NobodyHere 12-23-2020 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3319543)
Anyways, I don't want to dunk on Fox News during a down time for the company...


Why not?

miami_fan 12-23-2020 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3319544)
Why not?


Christmas spirit

PilotMan 12-23-2020 06:59 PM

Add a few more cronies to the pardon list.

President Donald Trump on Wednesday issued a second batch of pardons in as many days, this time forgiving the crimes of two former associates, Paul Manafort and Roger Stone, as well as Charles Kushner, the father of Trump's son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner.

Wednesday's list also includes several people recommended by former Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, who was part of Trump's impeachment defense team, and Ike Perlmutter, the former CEO of Marvel Entertainment and a member of the president's private Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida, according to a statement from the White House.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/paul-manaf...ry?id=74879785

GrantDawg 12-23-2020 07:00 PM

Trump is calling for a special counsel for the election. Barr refused, but now Barr is gone.

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RainMaker 12-23-2020 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3319538)
I am sorry, there is a problem with giving people money to retrain for in demand jobs? You definitely lost me there.

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It isn't giving people money. It is a tax credit for someone who has no income (or tax liability) because they don't have a job. It makes sense if it is someone who has a job and wants to take night classes or something, but not for someone who has no income.

Also wtf are you going to get with $4k?

GrantDawg 12-23-2020 08:23 PM

In a trade school? The full course in many cases. And they qualify for financial aid. So either the $4,000 credit (meaning it will come to them in their tax rebate like the earned income credit) to pay back their student loans, or they could just pocket it if they qualify for free school. Sounds like a great program.

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GrantDawg 12-23-2020 08:27 PM

Wait, the credit is dollar for dollar, so it will only pay back costs, but I looked. Not a single local tech school cost more than 3300 a year. Many programs are only 6 months long.

AlexB 12-24-2020 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3319553)
Add a few more cronies to the pardon list.

President Donald Trump on Wednesday issued a second batch of pardons in as many days, this time forgiving the crimes of two former associates, Paul Manafort and Roger Stone, as well as Charles Kushner, the father of Trump's son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner.

Wednesday's list also includes several people recommended by former Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, who was part of Trump's impeachment defense team, and Ike Perlmutter, the former CEO of Marvel Entertainment and a member of the president's private Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida, according to a statement from the White House.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/paul-manaf...ry?id=74879785


But not Cohen or Gates, who cooperated with the enquiry... 🤔

RainMaker 12-24-2020 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3319561)
In a trade school? The full course in many cases. And they qualify for financial aid. So either the $4,000 credit (meaning it will come to them in their tax rebate like the earned income credit) to pay back their student loans, or they could just pocket it if they qualify for free school. Sounds like a great program.

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When you are out of work and can't pay rent, a tax credit you will get next year for a class you can't afford now is just what the doctor ordered.

GrantDawg 12-24-2020 02:23 PM

I don't know what you aren't getting Rainmaker. Financial aid pays for the classes, and the tax credit pays off your financial aid. This is a way for free training. So you are saying it is bad to get free training?

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RainMaker 12-24-2020 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3319612)
I don't know what you aren't getting Rainmaker. Financial aid pays for the classes, and the tax credit pays off your financial aid. This is a way for free training. So you are saying it is bad to get free training?

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Do the people coming out of schools with 6 figure debt know about this financial aid and cheap courses?

Is this financial aid paying for rent and food?

GrantDawg 12-24-2020 05:45 PM

Did the people coming out with 6 figure debt know about tech schools that you couldn't possibly run up that kind of debt? And some financial aid for tech schools does help with those things, but this specific law was about helping people retrain. Does every legislation have to solve all problems for everyone? Aren't there other programs for unemployed?

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GrantDawg 12-24-2020 05:59 PM

With a quick Google search I found 7 state run tech schools that offer numerous programs that can be finished in 6 months for far less than $4k that are less than 30 minutes from my house. Encouraging people to use them for retraining is a good thing.

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GrantDawg 12-24-2020 06:10 PM

And just to add from personal experience: my wife did a two year program through a tech school that got her license as an Optician. She paid exactly zero dollars for it because of a program just like this from the state. They work.

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wustin 12-24-2020 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3319627)
Do the people coming out of schools with 6 figure debt know about this financial aid and cheap courses?

Is this financial aid paying for rent and food?


I grew up in a lower income area and many of my high school classmates got pretty much full rides to their 4 year schools through financial aid. Typically you'd get so much that you end up with a refund check that's a few thousand dollars that's supposed to be used to cover textbooks and other school related expenses. My grants were around 50% cause my parents' income were close to middle-class.

Of course if you're flunking you won't be qualified for financial aid.

The graduates who come out of shcool in debt are typically from middle class/upper middle class families.

JPhillips 12-27-2020 07:38 AM

The incentives are so weird on the right that Scott Walker is posting food from a restaurant he's at, but it's a picture from 2019 and the restaurant in question is take-out only right now.

Ghost Econ 12-27-2020 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3319833)
The incentives are so weird on the right that Scott Walker is posting food from a restaurant he's at, but it's a picture from 2019 and the restaurant in question is take-out only right now.


It's fine, he's tweeting bible verses today about God being the armor to protect against the devil, basically implying tweets about him on the devil and God is protecting him.

They're so unself-aware that they don't realize that if God provides/is the armor, then wearing a mask would clearly be God's will to protect against the Devil/COVID.

ISiddiqui 12-27-2020 09:53 AM

So Trump still hasn't signed and has not vetoed the government spending bill and Covid relief. Allowing additional unemployment benefits to expire before they could 'fix' the bill. And now giving Congress three days to pass a CR to prevent a shutdown.

miked 12-27-2020 06:16 PM

My irritation with the bailout checks is that it goes by 2019 AGI. My 2020 AGI is going to be much lower because my employer cut our pay and most of my supplemental income consulting has dried up. We are talking like 10-15% reduction most likely in AGI, which is a couple of hundred dollars. I hope they pass something new in 2021 and go by 2020 AGI.

Atocep 12-27-2020 06:21 PM

Still not addressing college aged dependents sucks.

ISiddiqui 12-27-2020 06:28 PM

Well now Trump is saying he will sign the Government spending and Covid release bill before the CR deadline Monday night.

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AlexB 12-27-2020 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3319891)
Well now Trump is saying he will sign the Government spending and Covid release bill before the CR deadline Monday night.

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I’m sure there’s no quid pro quo...

Lathum 12-27-2020 07:10 PM

Typical Trump, blows it up and creates a crisis then wants credit for fixing it.

PilotMan 12-27-2020 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3319895)
Typical Trump, blows it up and creates a crisis then wants credit for fixing it.


And to say that it's not what HE wanted, but he's going to give it to you anyway, because it's better than nothing, and he was the only one who could have given it to you. You owe him everything,.

I. J. Reilly 12-27-2020 07:42 PM

It's not even that complicated. No one was paying attention to him so he had to get in the headlines.

JPhillips 12-27-2020 08:20 PM

lol at Trump suggesting his redlining means anything. The bill is now law ad nobody's going to do anything regarding his "demands".

Edward64 12-27-2020 09:21 PM

Well darn. I guess it's the $600 and not $2,000 version.

Definitely better than nothing, so can't complain.

Danny 12-27-2020 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by miked (Post 3319889)
My irritation with the bailout checks is that it goes by 2019 AGI. My 2020 AGI is going to be much lower because my employer cut our pay and most of my supplemental income consulting has dried up. We are talking like 10-15% reduction most likely in AGI, which is a couple of hundred dollars. I hope they pass something new in 2021 and go by 2020 AGI.

i thought i read you get the stimulus credit when filing your 2020 taxes if this is the case.

albionmoonlight 12-28-2020 08:14 AM

LOL at the idea of the President having the patience to read, let alone redline, a 5,000+ page document.

ISiddiqui 12-28-2020 10:00 AM

He must really think his supporters are that dumb that they will think the President can "redline" a bill. The line item veto was declare unconstitutional, what 2 decades ago? And it isn't like he's even trying to do that.

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PilotMan 12-28-2020 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3319901)
Well darn. I guess it's the $600 and not $2,000 version.

Definitely better than nothing, so can't complain.


For some, like us, because of our kids ages, it's the $360 version.

miked 12-28-2020 10:35 AM

I think they are processing the payments in the next few weeks based on 2019 AGI. They would have to wait until after April to start the checks if it were based on 2020, which is too long I think.

Atocep 12-28-2020 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3319908)
He must really think his supporters are that dumb that they will think the President can "redline" a bill. The line item veto was declare unconstitutional, what 2 decades ago? And it isn't like he's even trying to do that.

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My wife sent me some shit from Facebook this morning. Apparently some Trump supporters she's friends with (through family) believe Trump could have line item vetoed parts of the bill but instead set this trap for congress so that when they don't hold up to their end of the non binding agreement he can simply use the Impoundment Control Act to replace congress.

PilotMan 12-28-2020 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3319913)
My wife sent me some shit from Facebook this morning. Apparently some Trump supporters she's friends with (through family) believe Trump could have line item vetoed parts of the bill but instead set this trap for congress so that when they don't hold up to their end of the non binding agreement he can simply use the Impoundment Control Act to replace congress.


Not sure of the specifics, but I'm pretty sure that's exactly how Palpatine dissolved the Senate.

ISiddiqui 12-28-2020 10:52 AM

Yeah, but Palpatine was competent.

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sterlingice 12-28-2020 11:42 AM

"So I threw the senate at him... the whole senate! True story."

SI

molson 12-28-2020 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3319916)
Yeah, but Palpatine was competent.

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That's debatable. My theory is that he just retroactively claimed that everything that happened was "all part of his plan". And honestly, who COULDN'T turn that dolt Anakin?

Brian Swartz 12-28-2020 12:56 PM

Obi-Wan is feeling personally attacked.

ISiddiqui 12-28-2020 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 3319919)
That's debatable. My theory is that he just retroactively claimed that everything that happened was "all part of his plan". And honestly, who COULDN'T turn that dolt Anakin?


I mean he did create a random clone army, while basically pulling the strings of the trade federation to manufacture a crisis. I mean sure, it probably didn’t go exactly as anticipated, but there were enough pieces in play to allow him to send up in control that I’m ok with saying he planned very well.

RainMaker 12-28-2020 05:06 PM

The $2000 stimulus checks passed in the House with surprisingly bipartisan support. Puts a lot of pressure on Collins and Loeffler.

JPhillips 12-28-2020 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3319913)
My wife sent me some shit from Facebook this morning. Apparently some Trump supporters she's friends with (through family) believe Trump could have line item vetoed parts of the bill but instead set this trap for congress so that when they don't hold up to their end of the non binding agreement he can simply use the Impoundment Control Act to replace congress.


As someone in the WH said early on, he's not playing 4-dimensional chess, he's just eating the pieces. It's amazing to me how they still think he's some sort of super genius.

wustin 12-28-2020 05:38 PM

trump is a genius because he lets his base do all the mental gymnastics for him

Lathum 12-28-2020 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3319935)
As someone in the WH said early on, he's not playing 4-dimensional chess, he's just eating the pieces. It's amazing to me how they still think he's some sort of super genius.


But he is on TV so he must be!

JPhillips 12-29-2020 10:54 AM



I did not see this coming.

Butter 12-29-2020 11:13 AM

Jesus Christ, are you fucking kidding me

Brian Swartz 12-29-2020 11:18 AM

Only the best wasteful additions to the military. Lots of people say great things about the Space Force.

bronconick 12-29-2020 11:31 AM

Is the only reason Star Trek hasn't sued them because the "Space Force" only really exists on paper?

Atocep 12-29-2020 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3319991)
I did not see this coming.


I'm not sure those uniforms are the reich choice.

AlexB 12-29-2020 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3319995)
I'm not sure those uniforms are the reich choice.


It’s not even subtle, unlike your post - well played, sir!

AlexB 12-29-2020 12:16 PM

Dola, although after a quick google, I can’t find any link to this - is it definitely legit?

ISiddiqui 12-29-2020 12:23 PM

So McConnell has blocked unanimous approval of having a $2000 direct stimulus payment. Trump retweeted someone reporting that Sen Sanders is going to filibuster the NDAA until the $2000 is brought to the floor. Perdue and Loeffler in GA have come out in favor of the $2000 stimulus (realizing they have to come out against McConnell to have a chance to win)

It's nice seeing McConnell in a pincer like this.

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NobodyHere 12-29-2020 01:12 PM

I wonder how much money was spent designing that uniform.

GrantDawg 12-29-2020 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3319999)
So McConnell has blocked unanimous approval of having a $2000 direct stimulus payment. Trump retweeted someone reporting that Sen Sanders is going to filibuster the NDAA until the $2000 is brought to the floor. Perdue and Loeffler in GA have come out in favor of the $2000 stimulus (realizing they have to come out against McConnell to have a chance to win)

It's nice seeing McConnell in a pincer like this.

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The guess on how McConnell handles this is he adds the two other things Trump wanted votes on (repeal 230 and election investigation), and then when it fails, he'll say "well, I let it have a vote, but the Dems voted it down."

He could also just add any simple "poison pill" on to the bill that could pass, but the House will not agree to.

One thing I doubt will happen is an actual vote on the $2k stimulus. McConnell is going to block it and try to blame it on the Dems somehow.

bronconick 12-29-2020 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3319999)
So McConnell has blocked unanimous approval of having a $2000 direct stimulus payment. Trump retweeted someone reporting that Sen Sanders is going to filibuster the NDAA until the $2000 is brought to the floor. Perdue and Loeffler in GA have come out in favor of the $2000 stimulus (realizing they have to come out against McConnell to have a chance to win)

It's nice seeing McConnell in a pincer like this.

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He'll just tack on stripping out Section 230 and force the Democrats to vote it down.

miami_fan 12-29-2020 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexB (Post 3319998)
Dola, although after a quick google, I can’t find any link to this - is it definitely legit?


My hope is that it is not real. My guess is it is a bit of banter from the other branches of service. At worst, it was a test balloon they could easily distance themselves from by saying that they are not considering that uniform for the final product. In any case, a uniform in development is not something you would find via google.

Edward64 12-29-2020 03:21 PM

Cool look, but can do without the belt buckle. Reminds me a bit of Starship Troopers.

Edward64 12-29-2020 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3319995)
I'm not sure those uniforms are the reich choice.


Eh, our helmets nowadays look a lot like the German WW2 helmets.

Atocep 12-29-2020 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3320013)
Eh, our helmets nowadays look a lot like the German WW2 helmets.


But there's a functionality reason for that.

ISiddiqui 12-29-2020 04:12 PM

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The guess on how McConnell handles this is he adds the two other things Trump wanted votes on (repeal 230 and election investigation), and then when it fails, he'll say "well, I let it have a vote, but the Dems voted it down."

He could also just add any simple "poison pill" on to the bill that could pass, but the House will not agree to.

McConnell can try, but reports are that the vast majority of Senate Republicans are against the $2000 stimulus amounts. So a McConnell bill may go down 90-10. And there is the fear that in conference they may remove the poison pills and send it back to the Senate. Also any long term discussion may delay the NDAA vote significantly. So he's gotta figure out how to balance all those considerations.

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tarcone 12-29-2020 05:00 PM

Spend my tax dollars on me. That is not a difficult thing. Shoot, the government is more than willing to drop a couple trillion on corporations. A couple grand my way is a drop in the bucket.

JPhillips 12-29-2020 05:03 PM

The crazy is strong among my HS Facebook friends.

Quote:

"Right now Trump is sitting on a stack of Trump cards or maybe Uno Wild Draw 4 (more years) cards that he's just waiting to lay down like a fricking royal flush.
He has court cases still pending that still may go to the Supreme Court, and thanks to the TX case he now knows how to file it under Article 3, not 2, which may allow them to hear it. He has the DNI report on Friday. Barr steps down on the 23rd (can now be a witness—he did his job). Durham is a special counsel (can prosecute in any state). He’s letting civil, criminal, federal courts fail to handle the situation properly so he can use military tribunals.
He has the data (all of it) from NSA, the Kraken supercomputer, the Alice supercomputer, (probably a couple others we haven’t heard about yet, too). He has the dueling electors from 7 states legislatures. He has VP Pence as final arbiter of which ballots to accept. He has the insurrection act. The NDAA, the national emergency, the 14th amendment, the 2018 executive order, the 2017 very first EO, the Patriot Act, the FISA warrants, the Declassification of everything, people swear affidavits by the 1000s, the QR code scan guy who just needs access to some real ballots & he can detect if they are fake by looking for creases & printing items using his scanner technology
He has all the statistical data being analyzed, the videos, emails, phone calls, bank transfer statements showing the coordination of the coup, he has RICO, he has the crimes against humanity videos. Wikileaks just dropped a ton & Assange will be pardoned so he can talk about Seth Rich.
Now that the governors and secretaries of state certified and Biden accepted, they committed and knowingly agreed to treason. Solar Winds just raided & Dominion closing up shop. Same with politicians & media. He has the C_A servers used to change dominion machines and he will soon have access to the machines too.
He baited them to staying in DC so they can be inaugurated, oops arrested. Biden hasn’t accepted any transition money nor has Kamala given up her seat. The military has infiltrated Antifa & BLM & he has the financials. He knows which politicians took Chinese & Soros money. He put in Miller & Watnick. He also just reduced dumb regulations. And wrote an EO in the military line of succession. He is defunding the C_A. He just replaced Kissinger & Allbright on the National Security Advisory Board with his loyalists.
The military has been flying more planes over America. The Navy just parked huge fleets on both coasts. The 82nd is preparing for an operation (same group of Flynn & Donoghue). Things are falling into place. He has it all. He is just laying out the case, building the narrative. He knows he won & they cheated. He gave them the chance to fix things. They chose not to.
Now they all go down.

GrantDawg 12-29-2020 05:15 PM

Treasury says they started sending paper checks today, and direct deposit will go out tonight through the begining of next week.

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albionmoonlight 12-29-2020 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3320021)
The crazy is strong among my HS Facebook friends.


In the middle of all that, he throws in that Trump also cut some burdensome regulations.

tarcone 12-29-2020 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3320024)
Treasury says they started sending paper checks today, and direct deposit will go out tonight through the begining of next week.

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600 or 2000?

JPhillips 12-29-2020 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 3320027)
600 or 2000?


600 is current law. The 2000 is what McConnell is trying to kill.

tarcone 12-29-2020 05:33 PM

If they send out 600 and then the bill for 200 passes, do we get both or 1400?

RainMaker 12-29-2020 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3320028)
600 is current law. The 2000 is what McConnell is trying to kill.


Durbin too.

Brian Swartz 12-29-2020 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone
If they send out 600 and then the bill for 200 passes, do we get both or 1400?


2000 total. The bill is about boosting the payments to 2000, not adding another 2000 on top of the 600.

Flasch186 12-29-2020 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3320025)
In the middle of all that, he throws in that Trump also cut some burdensome regulations.


I read that... felt like a speed bump.

sterlingice 12-29-2020 06:41 PM

Can't help but whatabout even when arguing with nobody - it's pure reflex

SI

GrantDawg 12-29-2020 08:41 PM

McConnell officially put in a bill with the $2k, repeal 230 and a commission to investigate voter fraud. A bill that can't pass, and even if it did the House will not pass. What a surprise. I never saw it coming.

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GrantDawg 12-29-2020 08:57 PM

A Republican congressman-elect from Louisiana died today of COVID. He was only 41.

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kingfc22 12-30-2020 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3320049)
McConnell officially put in a bill with the $2k, repeal 230 and a commission to investigate voter fraud. A bill that can't pass, and even if it did the House will not pass. What a surprise. I never saw it coming.

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And the thing is it will work and the Democrats will somehow come out the losers because they are awful at messaging.

ISiddiqui 12-30-2020 11:48 AM

I think being out in front of this before it got to McConnell is going to help a lot. Esp with the GA runoffs in a few days.

That being said, it's kind of funny that Trump is pushing to remove Section 230 as it would almost surely lead to the banning of Trump from Twitter (as they would not want to be liable for his libel). And Parler would be sued out of existence.

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bronconick 12-30-2020 12:22 PM

Hawley's going to contest the Electoral College results, meaning a 20 minute counting will take 12-14 hours.

AlexB 12-30-2020 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3320104)
I think being out in front of this before it got to McConnell is going to help a lot. Esp with the GA runoffs in a few days.

That being said, it's kind of funny that Trump is pushing to remove Section 230 as it would almost surely lead to the banning of Trump from Twitter (as they would not want to be liable for his libel). And Parler would be sued out of existence.

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I’m glad I’m not the only one thinking this - I nearly posted something similar a couple of days ago when I first saw that it was one of his stipulations, but assumed I must have missed something.

Atocep 12-30-2020 12:47 PM

They want to strip section 230 and then sue social media companies for censoring conservative voices when they start dropping bans.

Yes, it's stupid and wouldn't work that way but that's the end game they hope for.

JPhillips 12-30-2020 12:57 PM

I wish Dems would vote this through and then deal with it in conference. Dems should message that tey are in favor of 2000 checks, but the GOP will only help people if they can destroy the internet.

albionmoonlight 12-30-2020 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3320107)
Hawley's going to contest the Electoral College results, meaning a 20 minute counting will take 12-14 hours.


It's amazing how when McConnell says something like "we aren't going to confirm any of Obama's nominees" or "We aren't going to vote on $2,000 checks," the Dems say "Yes, sir" and just take it. Maybe they give a speech or two saying "no fair," but they don't actually use any leverage to make anything happen.

But when he says something like "Hey, GOP Senators, don't join in the House's objections," the GOP Senators will actually do what they think is in their best interest.

The Dems are just SO BAD at this. Even the GOP manages to stand up to the GOP better than they have.

miami_fan 12-30-2020 01:30 PM

Check your accounts. Our stimulus checks just arrived via direct deposit.

ISiddiqui 12-30-2020 02:35 PM

I don't see how Hawley's contesting is anything more than a "no fair" or a Sanders threatening a filibuster on the NDAA that goes no where. It's literally les effective than the five gazillion failed attempts to strike down the ACA. It's just going to take a little bit less time than an angry speech.

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JPhillips 12-30-2020 02:53 PM

It's different if you're in the GOP. Now they are going to have to go on record individually and that's going to lead to some number of primary challenges.

albionmoonlight 12-30-2020 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3320125)
I don't see how Hawley's contesting is anything more than a "no fair" or a Sanders threatening a filibuster on the NDAA that goes no where. It's literally les effective than the five gazillion failed attempts to strike down the ACA. It's just going to take a little bit less time than an angry speech.

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It's more that McConnell asked the GOP not to do this, and Hawley actually realized that he could do what he wanted.

Atocep 12-30-2020 03:10 PM

The GOP seems to be broken up into 3 major groups right now. 1.) Those that have accepted Trump's loss and have largely moved on 2.) Those that feel the election was likely/possibly stolen by Dems but have turned their focus to Georgia and '22 3.) Those that feel the election was 100% stolen and support any and all means of staying in power.

One seems to be a growing group. Trump's handling of the stimulus has really chipped away at his support based on what I've seen on social media and reddit. Group 2 is split between people that have moved on from Trump and those that still support him. Group 3 is still far too many people

The party is largely a mess. They're going through a more conspiracy-tinted form of acceptance that Dems struggled with in 2016. The difference is the GOP has always been able to pull everyone back and get their eye on the ball. It's going to be interesting to see if they can pull it off post-Trump. Hawley's 2024 hopes seem to be a gamble of playing to Trump now and at some point in the future replaying some greatest hits to get everyone focused on a common enemy again.

SackAttack 12-30-2020 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3320125)
I don't see how Hawley's contesting is anything more than a "no fair" or a Sanders threatening a filibuster on the NDAA that goes no where. It's literally les effective than the five gazillion failed attempts to strike down the ACA. It's just going to take a little bit less time than an angry speech.

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I mean, if Pence behaves in the traditional manner, the House and GOP will, at worst, split on the votes, leaving the original slate in place, and yeah, it becomes a tantrum.

There is a fringe element whispering in Pence's ear, though: "Psst, since you're the one who opens the envelopes containing the electoral votes, you can just open the pro-Trump envelopes instead for AZ, GA, MI, NV, PA, and WI and presto we win."

And Hawley contesting the results gives Pence a fig leaf to try that.

I think Congress would still have to vote on whether to accept the alternate slate, and a failure by both houses to accept it would leave the certified ones in place, so I don't THINK that maneuver can go anywhere, but I'm not a Constitutional Law scholar. Maybe there's a loophole I don't know about.

JPhillips 12-30-2020 03:16 PM

Not to mention that approach leads to mass demonstrations and violence.

Atocep 12-30-2020 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 3320130)
I mean, if Pence behaves in the traditional manner, the House and GOP will, at worst, split on the votes, leaving the original slate in place, and yeah, it becomes a tantrum.

There is a fringe element whispering in Pence's ear, though: "Psst, since you're the one who opens the envelopes containing the electoral votes, you can just open the pro-Trump envelopes instead for AZ, GA, MI, NV, PA, and WI and presto we win."

And Hawley contesting the results gives Pence a fig leaf to try that.

I think Congress would still have to vote on whether to accept the alternate slate, and a failure by both houses to accept it would leave the certified ones in place, so I don't THINK that maneuver can go anywhere, but I'm not a Constitutional Law scholar. Maybe there's a loophole I don't know about.



There's no loophole. Pence's job is simply to read the certified states. Then it's Congress's job to approve or contest each state and any attempts to contest have to be agreed to by both a majority of the house and senate. That isn't going to happen.

Despite what some on the right believe, January 6th is largely ceremonial. Any attempts to contest are people trying to position themselves for 2024 or to stay in Trump's good graces.

Brian Swartz 12-30-2020 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight
The Dems are just SO BAD at this. Even the GOP manages to stand up to the GOP better than they have.


Let's take the $2,000 checks as an example. Their goal is a vote on them with nothing attached. What leverage do they have to employ to make McConnell do that?


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