I can't read the link

Took a while, but Trump has now come to the defense of Russia regarding the hacking.

dola


Nothing to see here.

Yeah, I saw he tweeted it may be China and tied it into the election. Just another month (hopefully).

I also love how he downplays it and has been "fully briefed". There's a reason almost every IT person you'll talk to is like "holy crap - this is going to be a huge problem for years to come".

SI

He’s been bought wholly

It’s Crystal clear and the gop who was the patriotic party will never again authentically hold that mantle

They are complicit to the selling of America to the Russians

They’ve won, Russia won


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Not sure where to put it, but we shouldn't forget to make fun of the Space Force Guardians. Those folks are gonna take so much shit from the other services.

Basically, according to the New York Times Trump tried last night to have a military coup to stay in power. Completely nothing to worry about, right?

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I haven't found anything on this, from the NY Times or anywhere else. Can you give us a link? I'd be very interested to see it.

I looked too - this is all I could find: a reference to a NYT story about sending in the military to battleground states to redo the election

Trump wanted conspiracy theorist Sidney Powell as special counsel on voter fraud – report | Donald Trump | The Guardian

That's it. He had Mathis championing Martial law in the White House, and Trump supporting the idea.

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Lou Dobb is so pathetic.

The segment shot down Dobbs' previous claims after a letter from Smartmatic demanded “full and complete retraction of all its false and defamatory statements.” https://t.co/HakU5rgNe9

— HuffPost Politics (@HuffPostPol) December 20, 2020

The problems the the Postal Service are experiencing right now are real and so infuriating. Lots of delayed packages. I heard a story about a package taking 17 days shipped from FL, on an order that would normally be delivered in 2. I mailed 4 packages last Monday. Most were supposed to be delivered last Thursday. One was on time. One was 2 days late, and the most important one of the bunch has made it about 8 miles to Cincinnati. It took 6 days to do that too, and no mention of it beyond that. Just that it arrived there. We have packages coming that I can see in my informed delivery that were shipped as far back as the 11th and haven't left their state of origin either. It's the confluence of actions and the total lack of leadership and planning from the government. It's so frustrating. I have little faith now that these packages will get where they needed to be on time. You can't call anyone and ask either, because the phone system is 100% automated.

A friend of ours had a package take 3 weeks to get here. It arrived in Seattle 3 times as it bounced around different locations in Washington before finally being delivered.

I have a buddy who is a mail carrier, says this went out nation-wide the other day, which gives an indication of the straits they're in:






"Anyone want to fly in and work the worst parts of LA for your weekend??"

My wife recieved a package yesterday that was placed in the mail 3 weeks ago. It was from 15 miles away.

The USPS also used to require some sort of math/counting entrance exam and a drug test & my buddy tells me those standards have also been discarded in the past couple years (at least locally).

I refuse to give Sportsdigs credit for this reporting. :lol:

Trump Is Already Wondering What Airport Will Bear His Name

I nominate the Dothan Regional Airport.

I am sure there is some shitty dirt air strip that crop dusters use that would be happy to oblige Trump, or maybe an air field in Puerto Rico that is still in disrepair from the Hurricane and on the verge of being abandoned.

73 cadets at West Point caught cheating.

Is there an airport in Hell, Michigan?

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Some weird stuff happening at the Oregon capital in Salem today.

The one with the highest number of Democrats voting for Biden is what I vote for. :)

Like what?

Imagine if they were black or muslim?

IMO the second they tried to access the building with guns they are a threat and should have been shot.

Thanks Lathum, pretty scary if it gets more organized than this.

At least its not an executive order calling for martial law:

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Armed men trying to break into the Capital. No teargas anywhere in sight. Weird.

Anti-lockdown protestors break door of Capitol building pic.twitter.com/UW06w6T127

— Sergio Olmos (@MrOlmos) December 21, 2020

Ironically, this protest at the Oregon capital appears to mostly be the work of Joey Gibson and his Patriot Prayer organization, who are based in Vancouver, Washington.


If you're not intimately familiar with that geography, Vancouver is basically a suburb of Portland and likely wouldn't exist without it, but it IS still across a bridge, a river & a border, in an entirely different state, and subject to that state's laws & regulations, so driving down to violently protest at the Oregon capital seems especially misguided & moronic.

Wouldn't that also make it fall under a federal agency's jurisdiction as well?

Sure seems like it, but they appear to be getting zero pushback for kicking in the doors of the state capitol while armed. Go figure.

The police did use some kind of blue colored gas.

Barr made a big stink about crossing state lines to commit crimes but it hasn't been enforced equally. Shocking I know.

Teargas for others, smoke on their own.

I'm not a big fan of the whole protesting on government property with firearms thing either but given the situation right now shooting one of them without shots having been fired first is the worst thing the police could do. At least they're still trying to talk to their government, it's when they no longer wish to that it hits the fan.

Newsmax, like Fox News, also apparently got sent to the principal’s office for lying about voter machine fraud. The claims they are refuting make it sound like an SNL sketch. I’m glad they clarified that the machines were not owned by the Pelosi or Clinton families or Venezuela (or Hugo Chavez).

Newsmax just aired this note to "clarify" its coverage of Smartmatic and Dominion. pic.twitter.com/I5XZ7CQpAk

— John Whitehouse (@existentialfish) December 21, 2020

Do all of their anchors sound like Goodfellas characters?

Silly me. I forgot the police only shoot unarmed black people. White guys with guns storming a state capital are off guard. I mean, if a couple of them got capped can't we just say they deserved it for not complying?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/20/b...wsmax-oan.html

The issue seems to be one side gets teargassed and beat up while the other gets free reign to do whatever they want. Why the disproportional response?

newsmax finally does fair and truthful reporting and all of a sudden they're deep state

So, the plan is now to have 6 states challenged on January 6th, forcing 12 hours of debate that will force the process to go two days. At this point, I think Pelosi should refuse to seat the members that signed on to the Texas lawsuit. If they don't believe in elections, then they don't belong.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/21/polit...ing/index.html

All this really does is underline how easy it is to overthrow an election. Does anyone believe the Republicans wouldn't ignore the results of the votes if they had a majority in both the House and Senate?

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There's a difference between a protest environment and cops making an arrest on the street. Protests are political in nature and if people start getting capped in political environments I think that's something that'll be very difficult to come back from. It's like crossing the Rubicon.

This summer it was predominantly one side who put themselves in a position to be tear gassed.

So all the BLM protests don't count? How many reporters were shot with rubber bullets today? Arrested? Tear gassed?

IMO trying to enter a government building armed crosses the line from protest to insurrection.

I'll go back to what I originally said, what do you think the scene would look like had they been Muslim?

Trying to storm a capital building while armed isn't what I classify as a protest but YMMV.

Oh, come on. It is easy! Group of white men, armed with rifles forcing their way into a state capital meeting equals peaceful protest. Group of multicultural men women and children chanting in front of the White House, rioters who deserve to be gassed. How can you not tell the difference?

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The contrast is pretty fucking ridiculous at this point:

Ok who created the alt account

OK. Go ahead and post that this summer was a diversity fest as far as protesting was concerned. We both know it wasn't. Just own it.

Rubber bullets? Arrests? Tear Gas?

You were talking about cops killing protesters. Move the goalposts much?

Back to what you originally said...no, it wouldn't have looked any different. The cops there aren't going to shoot anyone without a very, very good reason.

True, I see the problem with it but I see problems with other things too...like barricading people inside public buildings and then setting those buildings on fire.

always with the whatboutisms, no other way to argue

Always huh? I've been a member here for less than a week so you can stop with the "always" stuff.

Now as for what I asked you...go ahead and say that the protests this year were a veritable diversity fest with everyone taking part. That is what you implied earlier.

What does that have to do with my question

I'll make you a deal, I'll answer you if you can tell me what your question was.

That may be the single most amazing conclusion I've seen in years. You should be a comedian, because I am rolling.

Awesome. List some precedents.

I see a troll.

Great patriots peacefully protesting.
Happening now: Trump supporters trying to destroy the Oregon's State Capitol doors to gain entry : PublicFreakout

Losing track of what's being discussed with all the tangents.

But yup, it's getting toxic again.

I'll make you a deal, you're a dipshit

It isn't getting toxic.

Do you honestly not see the blatant double standard he is claiming isn't happening?

The goalposts aren't moving at all. I listed a number of examples of tactics police used against peaceful protesters this summer. I still advocate for the use of deadly force if someone is acting out an insurrection on a state capital.

Did you even watch the protests this summer? It was all diversity, which is why there were so many angry white men protesting against therm.

blacks, whites, Asians, Muslims, women, children, old, young, etc...all represented at those protests. They were the model of diversity.

Awesome, not only did they reduce the stimulus amount but also the max AGI you could have to qualify for any portion of it.

Glad I pay I fuck ton of taxes each year.

I'm hoping for the Donald J. Trump Mar-A-Lago International, No Intergalactic, Spaceport and Great Airport

SI

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/busin...age/index.html

And CNN pointing it out in a "hey, some of us sensationalize but we aren't usually in the business of just flat out making stuff up that gets us sued". But, hey, both sides!

SI

No, no, Edward - they were calling out the Oregon police not the tone police.

SI

Had to look it up in wiki.

Have to re-read the thread to see where the personal attacks occurred and where questions were asked but not answered.

Just to follow-up on yesterday's action at the Oregon capitol building, 4 people did end up getting arrested:


4 arrested, 1 suspect sought in protest at Oregon Capitol - oregonlive.com

It appears Trump, who was basically absent from negotiations, wants to veto the spending bill which includes Covid relief. Mnuchin can't be happy. And no way McConnell authorizes $2000 direct payments. That's what the Democrats were asking in August.

But it was all the Democrats fault that it was only $600 instead of $2k. The Orange man said so.

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No idea how this will play out. My guess is it'll go up some but not all the way.

Pelosi says she can get $2k passed by unanimous consent right now.

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Here's the tweet. Fantastically played by Pelosi!

https://twitter.com/speakerpelosi/st...732604935?s=21

I don't think the word unanimous means what I used to think it means, but yeah I'm all for increasing the amount for direct payments because I have zero trust in the government, let alone these massive plans avoiding huge corruption.

Head of Ways and Means agrees with Pelosi. We are about to see every Democrat jump on this and forcing the GOP to fight against it. Very publicly, as a special election is going.

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Man, Trump has completely painted the republicans into a corner. If he wasn't so stupid I would think he did this on purpose as revenge.

Pelosi is dumb as shit and should have been doing this 6 months ago. It should have been what Democrats ran on in the election. She is lucking into it because Trump is an unstable dumbass who will probably change his mind by tomorrow morning when some Fox News anchor tells him to.

So... You missed that whole HEROES act thing then? Back in August, Pelosi and Mnuchin were trading barbs over this (in my state the Democratic candidates talked about the HEROES act a lot, including the direct payment). Hell they even passed on updated HEROES act at the end of September to put it back in the news on the stretch run of the election. But Trump was on a leash back then so they couldn't squeeze the GOP with Trump's words.

The entire election should have been about whether people would get $3000 checks.

If it had been that obvious Trump would have appropriated it and probably won.

In retrospect Trump not promising thousands of dollars to each voter when he had political cover to do so and it very well have made the difference is hilarious. Thankfully he's delusional & thought he'd win the election anyways/surrounded by yes men so he's just grasping at straws now haha

Amy Klobuchar just went on MSNBC to call raising the stimulus to $2,000 per person "an attack on every American" and suggests Congress override Trump's veto. pic.twitter.com/mEdDUY9dNu

— jordan (@JordanUhl) December 23, 2020

Well McConnell didn't want it and a lot of Republicans suddenly started caring about deficits again (including Republican voters who would have benefited started saying things like we don't need another $1200 from the government we need these lockdowns to end so we can make money).

It's no real surprise that Trump is calling for $2000 direct payments after McConnell called Biden the President-elect.

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Pelosi is trying to do it via unanimous consent, which obviously won't happen. If she was serious she'd call the House back into session and do a real vote and at least force Mitch to ignore it. This is just a little theatre designed to fail.

I'm not a Republican voter, but FWIW I would benefit and I don't want the government sending me more money. It should go places where it's really needed and to people who deserve it. I don't deserve more of other people's money simply for existing.

Law and order President pardoned some fraudsters and mass murderers.

I think the entire election should been about whether people should get $10,000 checks. Yeah. And a pony.

Interesting summary on that video, but it was not what she said. She sees Trump as trying to prevent the rest of the bill passing (unemployment extensions, PPP, money for the vaccines), which is an attack on the American people. $2k is great, but we must have those other things as well.

Yep. The left can be just as bad as Fox News in mis-characterizing what moderate Democrats actually said. I'd ask everyone to watch the video.

And it's obvious that Trump just wants to blow things up. People forget that he didn't just call for a $2000 direct payment but also eliminating other spending he considers wasteful (I don't think he realizes that those spending things are part of the omnibus budget bill and the Covid 19 relief is a separate part of it).

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So Trump, Pelosi, and AOC agree on the $2000 direct payments. Did Trump become a socialist or are Pelosi and AOC going to begin donning red hats from now on?

We have used trillions to prop up the stock price of major companies so extremely rich people could get wealthier.

More likely Trump sees it as a cheap way to score points while rescinding a lot of other more in-depth points in the bill(s) that go counter to his message and vision. It's the sort of thing populists love to do the world over: Make people happy about getting stuff in the short run while quietly making sure that in the long run they still push an agenda that doesn't actually sustainably improves the lifes of a vast majority of folks. Because that actually takes time, effort, know how and money. And which is also an issue for, say, the democrats. Because i don't doubt they could have gotten 2000 if they were willing to trade in enough chips from the more long-term and/or structural aid.
While AOC and Pelosi now suddenly see an oportunity where now the 2000 are looking like a given because of how that obviously dominates the public discourse but that other stuff is still very much in play. Because now it'd look rather silly if Trump suddenly backs out because he cares so much about "insert whatever" that he uses the american people to get his way. Deep down he wants to be loved, so absolutely the smart thing to do here is rally behind his declaration and milk that baby. Especially with the knowledge, said baby is going out the door in a month.

I just think he hasn't paid attention to anything but his election for months.