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Comey 11-24-2020 11:50 AM

I found this. Unsure how a vote would go to rejoin, needing 2/3 to get there.

The US is Out of the Open Skies Treaty. What’s Next? - Air Force Magazine

cuervo72 11-24-2020 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Comey (Post 3315525)
I found this. Unsure how a vote would go to rejoin, needing 2/3 to get there.

The US is Out of the Open Skies Treaty. What’s Next? - Air Force Magazine


Quote:

A spokesperson for the 55th Wing at Offutt Air Force Base, Neb., which manages the aircraft and the 45th Reconnaissance Squadron, referred questions to the Office of the Secretary of Defense. An OSD spokesperson referred questions to U.S. Strategic Command at Offutt. A STRATCOM spokesperson referred questions to the State Department, which in turn directed queries back to the Pentagon. The Air Force declined to comment on the record.

Well, at least we have a clear explanation!

NobodyHere 11-24-2020 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3315526)
Well, at least we have a clear explanation!


Military Efficiency!

GrantDawg 11-24-2020 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Comey (Post 3315525)
I found this. Unsure how a vote would go to rejoin, needing 2/3 to get there.

The US is Out of the Open Skies Treaty. What’s Next? - Air Force Magazine

I do think there are Republicans that would be for returning to the treaty, but even if not:
Pifer also suggested the U.S. could pursue an executive agreement to rejoin the treaty that could earn the votes of simple majorities in the House and Senate, and the approval of the other 33 Open Skies signatories.

miami_fan 11-24-2020 09:38 PM

I would prefer the media tell me who the President is not going to pardon. I suspect the list will be shorter.

kingfc22 11-24-2020 10:19 PM

Seriously.

Thomkal 11-27-2020 01:26 PM

Trump loses again in PA, this time with the US Court of Appeals 3rd Circuit who rules against him 3-0 with a Trump appointee writing the decision:

Court Rejects Trump Attempt To Overturn Pennsylvania Result

GrantDawg 11-27-2020 03:46 PM

If you really want to get conspiracy theory/tin foil hat... What if they are purposely puting through the weakest of lawsuits all the whilr making huge fraud claims in public forums to purposely further destroy the creditability of the courts in their cult members eye? Trump already has destroyed congress as a check in power, next up has to be the judicial system right? He tried to stack the courts, but has still run into those pesky judges that want to do their jobs.

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Ksyrup 11-27-2020 04:47 PM

The crazy thing is, in many of these lawsuits they aren't even alleging fraud! The appeal of the PA lawsuit that just got denied had no fraud allegations. I mean, if you just get that piece of information in front of his people, what is the explanation for that?

Edward64 11-27-2020 08:47 PM

Assume Israel did this with tacit approval/support from the US.

I guess this may delay their nuclear ambitions by 1-2 years (if that long) and/or this was to pick a fight to give Trump and Netanyahu an excuse.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/27/middl...ntl/index.html
Quote:

Iran's top nuclear scientist was killed Friday in an alleged assassination that the country's foreign minister linked to Israel.

Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, considered one of the masterminds of Iran's controversial nuclear program, died after his car was apparently ambushed in a district east of Tehran. Photos from the scene showed the shattered windshield of a car, and blood on the road.

Iranian state media said the killing appeared to be an assassination. Iran's Defense Minister Brigadier General Amir Hatami was quoted by Iran's semi-official news agency ISNA as saying Fakhrizadeh was targeted by gunfire and a Nissan vehicle explosion, before a firefight ensued.

Iranian Foreign Minister Zarif called the death "cowardice -- with serious indications of Israeli role."

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office declined to comment to CNN.

Vegas Vic 11-27-2020 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3315955)
Assume Israel did this with tacit approval/support from the US.


The assassination of Mohsen Fakhrizadeh (peace be upon him) is an unfortunate setback to Iran's nuclear weapons program, but I have confidence that the incoming administration can get them back on track, and perhaps offer more financial aid to their efforts.

Iranian nuclear program head Mohsen Fakhrizadeh assassinated

Quote:

"In the last days of the political life of their ally (US President Donald Trump), the Zionists (Israel) seek to intensify pressure on Iran and create a full-blown war," commander Hossein Dehghan tweeted.

CrimsonFox 11-28-2020 12:53 AM

Hold him close, that Tiny Desker
Count the tantrums and the deuces
Lay him down to take his nap now
He's had a busy day today
#diaperdon

whomario 11-28-2020 06:07 AM

Operation scorched Earth seems to be going much better than the law suits and is hardly even making waves. Cleverly done.

Biden will be busy doing nothing but putting out fires and rolling back shit. Doing it just on environmental stuff would be a fulltime job in itself ...

Edward64 11-28-2020 06:29 AM

I wonder which staffer(s) made the call on the smaller desk.

I read somewhere it was normal to do a smaller desk when there was a bunch of people crowding around a seated Trump but even then I can't believe a small desk like that was used. Regardless, some one messed up.

Lathum 11-28-2020 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3315987)
I wonder which staffer(s) made the call on the smaller desk.

I read somewhere it was normal to do a smaller desk when there was a bunch of people crowding around a seated Trump but even then I can't believe a small desk like that was used. Regardless, some one messed up.


or knew exactly what they were doing

CrimsonFox 11-28-2020 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic (Post 3315974)
The assassination of Mohsen Fakhrizadeh (peace be upon him) is an unfortunate setback to Iran's nuclear weapons program, but I have confidence that the incoming administration can get them back on track, and perhaps offer more financial aid to their efforts.

Iranian nuclear program head Mohsen Fakhrizadeh assassinated


I seriously bet Trump and friends had something to do with it

cuervo72 11-28-2020 04:59 PM

Judging by the rest of the comment I'm going to assume VV is ok with that.

thesloppy 11-28-2020 05:27 PM

I've never quite understood the conservative stance on that particular 'scandal'. Trump withdrew from that treaty, didn't enact any other restrictions AND let Iran keep every single bit of their money, but Obama was the bad guy?

BishopMVP 11-28-2020 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3316012)
I seriously bet Trump and friends had something to do with it

I don't. Not even sure Netanyahu called it, and not 100% sure it's the Israeli's & not some other agenda, but whoever did it definitely knew that this was a perfect time where they could pursue their agenda & will get almost no blowback (or coverage past Monday).

JPhillips 11-28-2020 06:57 PM

A little convenient that it happened shortly after Pompeo met with Bibi and MBS.

PilotMan 11-28-2020 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 3316044)
I don't. Not even sure Netanyahu called it, and not 100% sure it's the Israeli's & not some other agenda, but whoever did it definitely knew that this was a perfect time where they could pursue their agenda & will get almost no blowback (or coverage past Monday).


and they know that with trump, they'll get the tacit approval, where they won't with Biden. It's about playing to their strengths here.

CrimsonFox 11-28-2020 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 3316044)
I don't. Not even sure Netanyahu called it, and not 100% sure it's the Israeli's & not some other agenda, but whoever did it definitely knew that this was a perfect time where they could pursue their agenda & will get almost no blowback (or coverage past Monday).


that's an interesting take too and I would indeed believfe that as a possibility. EIther is possible. I mean the reps have been trying to force a war with iran for awhile and babydesk ordering some loyalists to make a kill is certainly something he would do. But sure doesn't mean he did.

Edward64 11-29-2020 06:16 AM

More details from the DailyMail. If true, quite a hit job.

Assassination of Iran's top nuclear scientist 'involved 62 people including 12 gunmen' | Daily Mail Online
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As Iran puts executed nuclear chief's body on display, how he was taken out: Power to the entire region was cut as gun and bomb attack blasted convoy before he was dragged from car and finished off... then the 12 assassins melted away

Remarkable detail of the plot to kill an Iranian nuclear scientist emerged on Saturday, a day after the assassination of Mohsen Fakhrizadeh reverberated around the world.

Sixty two people were involved in the scheme, according to Mohamad Ahwaze, an Iranian journalist who exposed the extent of the COVID-19 pandemic in his country.

Ahwaze said he had obtained leaked Iranian information.


AlexB 11-29-2020 09:19 AM

The Daily Mail is not what I consider a reliable source. They may be spot on, but until I see it elsewhere, I’d err on the side of scepticism

Galaril 11-29-2020 09:32 AM

So I know I am “preaching to the choir”except for the right wingers oh and “libertarians” here but this assassination is so risky. Now Iran will absolutely retaliate and that could depending on how tied they are of these hit jobs could cause a war with Iran and Israel which would pull us ultimately into it. We eventually get into a shooting war someday with Iran and do not see that ending in a victory for us. Just another unstable Iraq mess at best and Jerusalem being wiped off the earth along with Tehran.SMH.

Brian Swartz 11-29-2020 02:14 PM

I don't see how it's inherently more risky than the other available options. There are no non-risky options with Iran.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesloppy
I've never quite understood the conservative stance on that particular 'scandal'. Trump withdrew from that treaty, didn't enact any other restrictions AND let Iran keep every single bit of their money, but Obama was the bad guy?


For entering the deal in the first place. Conservatives generally wanted no-restrictions inspections with a proven bad actor like Iran, or else no deal.

thesloppy 11-29-2020 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3316118)
For entering the deal in the first place. Conservatives generally wanted no-restrictions inspections with a proven bad actor like Iran, or else no deal.



I think that would be a valid complaint if there were any kind of inspections taking place either before that deal was made or after it was broken.

Edward64 11-30-2020 07:06 AM

I remember reading about the blockade but didn't realize it was still on. The US has a base and has been selling weapons to Qatar. Seems like we are playing both sides here (surprise).

Quote:

White House senior adviser Jared Kushner and his team will travel to Saudi Arabia and Qatar this week for talks aimed at resolving the dispute between the neighbouring Gulf countries, according to media reports in the United States.
:
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Kushner is eager to persuade the Saudi and Qatari leaders to reconcile and reach an agreement on a number of issues, Axios reported, citing US officials.

Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Bahrain and Egypt cut diplomatic ties and imposed a land, sea and air blockade on Qatar in 2017, accusing Doha of “supporting terrorism” and issuing a list of 13 demands.

Edward64 11-30-2020 07:52 AM

And now, we know the rest of the story ...

https://www.newsweek.com/rudy-giulia...t-back-1551034
Quote:

After photos of Giuliani at the news conference circulated online, a number of commentators took to social media to discuss the drip, with many speculating that the incident was caused by a bad hair dye job. However, several Manhattan hairdressers told The New York Times that the substance on Giuliani's face was probably not caused by a hair dye job gone wrong.
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"Hair dye doesn't drip like that, unless it's just been applied," Men's Lounge Barbershop's David Kholdorov said.

Mirko Vergani, the creative color director at the Drawing Room, told the Times that Giuliani's dark face drip appeared to be makeup or a touch-up pen that was used to blend in his side burns. "Sideburns are more gray than the rest of the head," he said. "You can apply mascara to touch the gray side up a bit so it looks more natural."

GrantDawg 11-30-2020 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3316211)
And now, we know the rest of the story ...

https://www.newsweek.com/rudy-giulia...t-back-1551034

Finally, I can sleep at night.

Vegas Vic 11-30-2020 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3315185)
I think there's a significant part of the Trump voting block that would never vote for a woman for President, but maybe I'm wrong
SI


Not necessarily. I can think of two off the top of my head, Nikki Haley and Dr. Condoleezza Rice. Maybe not enthusiastically, but they would certainly vote for them against the Democrat nominee.

JPhillips 11-30-2020 01:53 PM

Haley might win the primary, but I can't see Rice winning.

Vegas Vic 11-30-2020 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3316256)
Haley might win the primary, but I can't see Rice winning.


You could be right. Her past comments could come back to haunt her, calling Joe Biden "a true patriot" and praising Obama's selection of Hillary Clinton to be Secretary of State. I, for one, think Dr. Rice would be an outstanding candidate for president, but it will probably never come to fruition.

Ryche 11-30-2020 02:39 PM

Could see Kristin Noem getting a lot of support as well

Vegas Vic 11-30-2020 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryche (Post 3316271)
Could see Kristin Noem getting a lot of support as well


I don't see it. She's a slightly more refined version of Sarah Palin, and although she would appeal to some of the lunatic fringe, I don't think she could win enough republican support to get the nomination.

sterlingice 11-30-2020 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic (Post 3316254)
Not necessarily. I can think of two off the top of my head, Nikki Haley and Dr. Condoleezza Rice. Maybe not enthusiastically, but they would certainly vote for them against the Democrat nominee.


I doubt they'd get through the nomination, but who knows

SI

RainMaker 11-30-2020 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic (Post 3316259)
You could be right. Her past comments could come back to haunt her, calling Joe Biden "a true patriot" and praising Obama's selection of Hillary Clinton to be Secretary of State. I, for one, think Dr. Rice would be an outstanding candidate for president, but it will probably never come to fruition.


Do past comments even matter with Republicans anymore? Trump was a Democrat up till Obama took office. The guy was posting about Kristen Stewart and Vanity Fair a few years before he ran for President. He had joked about his daughter having an abortion, cheated on his wife who was home nursing a newborn, and a slew of other things that would normally be disqualifying.

I think the winner will be whoever Trump endorses. Could be anyone from Haley to Barron, who knows? I think he'll enjoy playing Kingmaker and having the Republican establishment fawn over him for 4 more years.

GrantDawg 11-30-2020 07:26 PM

I think Haley and Graham sold their soul for the endorsement, and the only name he is going to endorse is Trump.

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cuervo72 11-30-2020 07:46 PM

Agreed. Again, this is all a family business to him. Trump Org and now politics. What does he care about Haley, Graham, or anyone else? What can they do to benefit him? Family, though...

Edward64 11-30-2020 08:59 PM

Curious time for him to resign. Maybe he thinks this would be best chance to rehabilitate his reputation (e.g. I'm resigning because I never really agreed with Trump's policies etc.) vs waiting till the very end.

No big loss.

Quote:

Dr. Scott Atlas, a highly controversial member of the White House's coronavirus task force, has resigned from his post in the Trump administration.

GrantDawg 12-01-2020 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3316311)
Curious time for him to resign. Maybe he thinks this would be best chance to rehabilitate his reputation (e.g. I'm resigning because I never really agreed with Trump's policies etc.) vs waiting till the very end.

No big loss.

He will double down and cash in. There are millions of Trumpsters to fleece.

Lathum 12-01-2020 08:35 AM

Krebs seems like the kind of guy who doesn't take shit and it sounds like he is going to go after people making comments like this. I hope they throw this guy in jail and at the very least disbar him.

Trump campaign lawyer says former cybersecurity chief should be 'shot' - POLITICO

Galaril 12-01-2020 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3316355)
Krebs seems like the kind of guy who doesn't take shit and it sounds like he is going to go after people making comments like this. I hope they throw this guy in jail and at the very least disbar him.

Trump campaign lawyer says former cybersecurity chief should be 'shot' - POLITICO


I have met Krebs a few times at various Cyber security leadership events and have a few close friends who also are close to him and no he definitely is not going to take that shit lying down from what I know about him.

Lathum 12-01-2020 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 3316356)
I have met Krebs a few times at various Cyber security leadership events and have a few close friends who also are close to him and no he definitely is not going to take that shit lying down from what I know about him.


good to hear, need more like him. Guy is a god damn hero in my opinion.

sterlingice 12-01-2020 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 3316356)
I have met Krebs a few times at various Cyber security leadership events and have a few close friends who also are close to him and no he definitely is not going to take that shit lying down from what I know about him.


I didn't know who Christopher Krebs was but the first time I saw his name, I confused him with Brian Krebs who has a cybersecurity blog "Krebs on Security" that I've read quite a few times

Trump Fires Security Chief Christopher Krebs — Krebs on Security

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President Trump on Tuesday fired his top election security official Christopher Krebs (no relation). The dismissal came via Twitter two weeks to the day after Trump lost an election he baselessly claims was stolen by widespread voting fraud.

SI

Thomkal 12-01-2020 01:39 PM

Bill Barr admits to the AP that the Justice Dept has not found any instances of widespread voter fraud that could have changed the outcome of the election. Guess Trump will fire him now...

Flasch186 12-01-2020 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3316398)
Bill Barr admits to the AP that the Justice Dept has not found any instances of widespread voter fraud that could have changed the outcome of the election. Guess Trump will fire him now...


So do you agree with everything else he's done and then agree that he's a truth-teller bent on fundamental ethics OR do you disagree with everything before and now disagree with his being a truth-teller now?

Can't wait to see the evangelists twist themselves into a pretzel on this one...

Perhaps they don't know, since they're now on Parler.

wustin 12-02-2020 08:03 AM

it's because barr works for the deep state of course

Ksyrup 12-02-2020 08:06 AM

Someone had the perfect tweet about Barr - he was comfortable covering up other people's crimes but not comfortable committing his own.

GrantDawg 12-02-2020 10:55 AM

Barr also appointed John Duram as a special prosecuter for the Russian investigation. People are saying Trump is furious that it means they will not be releasing the Durham report before he leaves office, but it is really a big middle-finger to the Biden administration. Now, either Biden fires him and makes it look like Biden is covering up something, or he has this rouge free agent constantly trying to dig up dirt. Barr is a much better political operative than most people give him credit for.

Ben E Lou 12-03-2020 09:19 AM

A left-leaning PAC is putting these billboards up in rural Georgia counties.


albionmoonlight 12-03-2020 09:28 AM

I have to think that the best outcome for Trump would be for Perdue and Loeffler to lose based on GOP turnout being lower than in the general election.

That would really help him build the narrative of "See, y'all need me on the ballot" for the next four years.

I think that Perdue and Loeffler will win regardless b/c a lot of the "educated conservative suburban women" who voted against Trump will have no problems putting roadblocks in front of President Biden. But I actually have no idea whatesover.

Lathum 12-03-2020 09:29 AM

Genius. It makes you wonder how many Trump disciples have the mental acuity to grasp what’s happening with the senate, or if they don’t really care about government and were just swept up in the cult.

albionmoonlight 12-03-2020 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3316586)
Genius. It makes you wonder how many Trump disciples have the mental acuity to grasp what’s happening with the senate, or if they don’t really care about government and were just swept up in the cult.


I think that they just enjoy the game. From what I can see, politics for the MAGAs is just another way of following sports.

Part of why they are supporting Trump's coup attempt is that they don't want the game to be over. Like that BW3 commercial where the fans kept rooting for overtime.

Atocep 12-03-2020 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3316592)
I think that they just enjoy the game. From what I can see, politics for the MAGAs is just another way of following sports.

Part of why they are supporting Trump's coup attempt is that they don't want the game to be over. Like that BW3 commercial where the fans kept rooting for overtime.


A large number of them love having people to hate and Trump makes it fun for them to hate others.

albionmoonlight 12-03-2020 10:08 AM

I'm not even kidding when I say that if college football were having a normal season, there'd be less MAGA interest in Georgia right now.

White Southern Boomers and Gen Xers are bored.

JPhillips 12-03-2020 10:31 AM

So Trump is going to veto the military budget because Twitter is mean to him.

And not a single GOPer is going to call him out for it.

albionmoonlight 12-03-2020 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3316600)
And not a single GOPer is going to call him out for it.



Worse, I suspect they just won't pass it so he won't have to veto it. And they will blame it on Pelosi. And the media will agree.

GrantDawg 12-03-2020 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3316601)
Worse, I suspect they just won't pass it so he won't have to veto it. And they will blame it on Pelosi. And the media will agree.

So Pelosi should counter by passing a bill with large increases in soldier salaries, funding for improvements in base-life, and large increases in military medical facilities. "Democrats care about our troops, and Republicans care about Trump's ego."

GrantDawg 12-03-2020 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3316585)
I have to think that the best outcome for Trump would be for Perdue and Loeffler to lose based on GOP turnout being lower than in the general election.

That would really help him build the narrative of "See, y'all need me on the ballot" for the next four years.

I think that Perdue and Loeffler will win regardless b/c a lot of the "educated conservative suburban women" who voted against Trump will have no problems putting roadblocks in front of President Biden. But I actually have no idea whatesover.

I live here, and I can't tell you how this will go. History says Demcrats lose run-offs in Georgia. The Democratic base just doesn't show up for special elections. But then, Democrats don't win statewide elections in general, but Biden just won. The big question is will all this attacking of the election system keep the average GOP voter home? Or will the idea of giving Democrats a huge win make them angry enough to turn out in droves? I just don't see anyway to know until January 5th.

RainMaker 12-03-2020 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3316600)
So Trump is going to veto the military budget because Twitter is mean to him.

And not a single GOPer is going to call him out for it.


Brilliant move with a runoff in Georgia which is a state that takes in a big chunk of the military budget. Just 4D chess or whatever.

RainMaker 12-03-2020 07:03 PM

Project Veritas got a half million in taxpayer PPP funds.

Edward64 12-04-2020 08:27 AM

No details but looks like a breakthrough in SA vs Qatar is coming up. One more step towards SA normalization with Israel which will be fantastic.

Trump aside, I do think Kushner gets much of the credit in this process.

albionmoonlight 12-04-2020 11:28 AM

Today, I just thought about how crazy it was that the opposition party was fighting for (and PASSED) a huge stimulus that would have helped him get re-elected. And if he had put his weight behind it, the GOP would have had to go along. Whether or not you agree with it, it would have helped him get re-elected.

And he couldn't get it done.

Edward64 12-04-2020 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3316730)
Today, I just thought about how crazy it was that the opposition party was fighting for (and PASSED) a huge stimulus that would have helped him get re-elected. And if he had put his weight behind it, the GOP would have had to go along. Whether or not you agree with it, it would have helped him get re-elected.

And he couldn't get it done.


I don't think it would have been a sure thing to pass the $2.2T even with Trump's support. But yeah, I think he should have pushed harder back then.

albionmoonlight 12-04-2020 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3316733)
I don't think it would have been a sure thing to pass the $2.2T even with Trump's support. But yeah, I think he should have pushed harder back then.


He says jump, they ask how high.

If he had pushed, they would have passed it.

Edward64 12-04-2020 03:06 PM

Country may get a Christmas present soon.

Quote:

What a difference a week makes.

On Monday, it looked like nothing was going to happen on stimulus. Now, it's possible a deal is brokered in a matter of days.
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You saw an avalanche of positive comments coming from Republican senators on Thursday. They were open to this pathway, and that's because it's really the only option on the table right now that could become law

"I've never been more hopeful that we'll get a bill," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, a Republican from South Carolina.


The proposal includes:
  • $300 a week in enhanced federal unemployment benefits (there is still a debate about how retroactive this could be)
  • A continued pause on student loan payments
  • Eviction moratorium
  • Another round of money for the Paycheck Protection Program
  • $16 billion for vaccine development and distribution and Covid-19 testing and tracing
  • Extension of unemployment programs that allowed gig workers to file for unemployment insurance
  • Extension of the program that allows unemployed Americans to get 39 weeks instead of 26

But probably won't include stimulus checks. I guess this is why Mnuchin clawed back the $450B.

Quote:

Stimulus checks. The reason? You've seen so many Republicans want to get to "yes" on this legislation because the price tag is less than $1 trillion and much of that money is offset by reusing money that didn't get used in the last stimulus bill. There are many details that have to be worked out to ultimately get Republicans to vote for the proposal, but keeping the price tag below $1 trillion has been essential.

Right now, it doesn't look possible to include $1,200 stimulus checks for most Americans once members account for the costs of proposals like the Paycheck Protection Program, state and local funding and the unemployment benefits.

RainMaker 12-04-2020 03:35 PM

No stimulus checks AND liability protection for companies. Brutal.

NobodyHere 12-04-2020 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3316754)
No stimulus checks AND liability protection for companies. Brutal.


I don't mind liability protection for companies that followed the law.

But I agree the lack of stimulus checks is disappointing.

RainMaker 12-04-2020 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3316755)
I don't mind liability protection for companies that followed the law.

But I agree the lack of stimulus checks is disappointing.


It encourages companies to not provide protections for their employees. The opposite of what you'd want during a pandemic.

sterlingice 12-04-2020 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3316754)
No stimulus checks AND liability protection for companies. Brutal.


Yup. No state or local money either. Dems get taken to the cleaners again. It's almost as if that's how this was meant to go all along.
(EDIT: Looks like there is some state and local money but considering the dollars we're talking about for PPP, unemployment, etc - it seems like it's not going to be much)

It's as if we have two extremely corporate-backed parties, but one of them is all in on white nationalism so they're for the "working man"... somehow.

SI

kingfc22 12-04-2020 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3316752)
Country may get a Christmas present soon.

The proposal includes:
Another round of money for the Paycheck Protection Program.


Can't wait to read about all the corrupt individuals cashing out millions of dollars this time around as well.

albionmoonlight 12-04-2020 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3316758)
Yup. No state or local money either. Dems get taken to the cleaners again. It's almost as if that's how this was meant to go all along.
(EDIT: Looks like there is some state and local money but considering the dollars we're talking about for PPP, unemployment, etc - it seems like it's not going to be much)

It's as if we have two extremely corporate-backed parties, but one of them is all in on white nationalism so they're for the "working man"... somehow.

SI


The Dems are so bad at this.

They are the party fighting to fund the police. The GOP is the party fighting to defund the police.

And when people say the Dems want to defund the police, they look sheepish and say "Well, I guess you got us there."

JPhillips 12-04-2020 04:47 PM

This is yet another good example of why nobody knows what Dems stand for. All of the things that were must-haves two months ago aren't important anymore.

BYU 14 12-04-2020 05:10 PM

One thing they better stand for is making sure the PPP funds are not abused this time.

Thomkal 12-04-2020 07:57 PM

Trump's Elite Strike Team lost 6 times today-MN, MI, WI, NV, AZ and GA. They are 1-46 in court cases.

BYU 14 12-04-2020 08:06 PM

The Kraken as a worse batting average than Mario Mendoza, who knew?

NobodyHere 12-04-2020 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3316792)
Trump's Elite Strike Team lost 6 times today-MN, MI, WI, NV, AZ and GA. They are 1-46 in court cases.


Well there is that ill-defined swamp and all that is preventing justice

Vegas Vic 12-05-2020 12:37 AM

As Donald Trump's reign thankfully comes to an end, and hopefully he fades into obscurity, I can't help but reflect on the pinnacle of his career, when he close-lined Vince McMahon on Monday Night Raw.


Ghost Econ 12-05-2020 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14 (Post 3316796)
The Kraken as a worse batting average than Mario Mendoza, who knew?


Still better than Chris Davis

ISiddiqui 12-06-2020 02:55 PM

And now Rudy tests positive for Covid

Thomkal 12-06-2020 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3316991)
And now Rudy tests positive for Covid


It's about time with all the people in his orbit who had it, Wonder if the "elite strike team" get it now too

Atocep 12-06-2020 03:36 PM

Another part of the deep state plot to steal the election. They had to knock Rudy out just as his lawsuits were gaining traction.

thesloppy 12-06-2020 03:43 PM

Rudy's been displaying symptoms for like 6 solid months now. I'm honestly surprised he hadn't had it yet.

ISiddiqui 12-06-2020 04:06 PM

Test Borat!

Ghost Econ 12-06-2020 04:18 PM

Fuck, I hope Kraken's can't get COVID.

Ben E Lou 12-06-2020 04:24 PM

Rudy hospitalized.

NobodyHere 12-06-2020 05:05 PM

Good thing for Rudy that Covid is fake news.

CrimsonFox 12-07-2020 04:10 AM


RainMaker 12-07-2020 04:35 PM

Whistleblower in Florida who called out the state for suppressing data.


sterlingice 12-07-2020 05:15 PM

That's definitely not scary at all

SI

miami_fan 12-07-2020 05:24 PM

Law and order at its finest. I guess I should be thankful that no one was shot.

GrantDawg 12-07-2020 06:10 PM

I saw that about Rebecca Jones. Really upsetting stuff. She should file a civil rights suit. I think she will have a case.

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Qwikshot 12-07-2020 06:18 PM

This is why when my mom was claiming Florida was safe, I was pretty sure it was because it's run by Republicans, not that it's actually safe.

BYU 14 12-07-2020 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3317169)
I saw that about Rebecca Jones. Really upsetting stuff. She should file a civil rights suit. I think she will have a case.

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Agree and as a Father I would have gone ballistic over them pointing a gun at my kids, no excuse for that.

GrantDawg 12-07-2020 07:09 PM

I guarantee that if Florida had gone to Biden, DeSantis would have not certified and tried to name Trump electors.

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JPhillips 12-07-2020 07:38 PM

Turns out Trump's Valdosta rally was held in an area that one of my wife's cousins owns.

RainMaker 12-07-2020 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3317183)
I guarantee that if Florida had gone to Biden, DeSantis would have not certified and tried to name Trump electors.

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No doubt, DeSantis is a straight up fascist. Also hats off to a few more "bad apples" in the police department.

GrantDawg 12-08-2020 06:24 AM

Perfect summary:

albionmoonlight 12-08-2020 06:45 AM



Apparently Trump's play-dough wall has led to more armed Mexicans being smuggled into the country rather than less.


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