What's the plan on services for today?

I suppose it is possible that a Tarq can pick how he wants to kill someone. Although I think it is more likely the Tarqs kill is by poison. And on that theory, possibly each Tarq has a specific way to kill, but probably not by sword. So as not to mix with the assassins.

Actually not a bad start. I'm not sure what you mean by page 90 as we only have 61 pages.

You must be on 45 posts per page — I'm on 30. :)

We haven't really compiled a plan so far, and I'm trying to figure out what the best move is for me. Anxietus has said he is going to bid for the sword killer, but I don't know that anyone else has stated an intention.

Is the function of the priest established?

Makes sense, I'm on 50 per page.

I stated at the time my reasons:
Anxiety has trusted me. I didn't have a strong read on either and so that was good enough.

I believe it allows the player to compel someone to change their vote or direct their vote where you want it.

OBTW... I don't think I have anything to lose by doing this...
Misterus Wednesdaius sues everyone.

It's not like I have a lot of money to begin with... or like there should be any evidence of treason to be uncovered...

Right, which is why I said in a previous post, cleared of previous wrongdoing, not certified as a republican

My bid today, path, is free.

Look, here are the two main proposals:

1), Arrest me an AE. Your argument that someotnhing could happen to clear me stands, but if I am cealerd, say bvy today's seer, AND arrested, then that clears AE by extension. So you;d be stuck voting someone off that is cleared. That is why you shouldn;t have either AE and me to choose from. Its a bad strategy.

2). Arrest just me. If somethings does happen to clear me, then at least no republicans can die. I will bid on the sword killer today. If I end up with a lawyer, then you know I'm lying. When I had the option to send a lawyer to the Senate earlier, it was to prosecute. I won't habe a laywer, and noone can send one to help me. If you want to kill me, then commit - stop playing footsie. If you think my death is the Rosetta Stone, then I'm not going to stand in your way.

I have to leave shortly and have no idea about who to vote for. Gah! Not having found one bad guy so far has just made it so hard for me to get a handle on this game. I think that KWhit is good. He's got a pretty tight circle around him. If he's bad, I think we start dominoes. If he's good I think we've vastly narrowed the field. With path, if he turns up bad I'm not sure where we go from there and if he's good I know I'll feel the same way about tomorrow's candidates.

Therefore in order to increase our abilities for tomorrow

Vote KWhit

I think I've seen a coherent argument advanced against Kayus Whittus. What's the argument against Pathus Twelvus?

I have to vote path. Why? Because I scanned KWhit. I have never scanned path. Plus, I have to vote. I'd rather not vote path if I don;t have to, but it appears I have no real choice in the matter.


Vote Path to Die

My bad, Abe. I read that wrong.

Frankly, I'd rather be sued than tossed.

This is the downside of having CR as a consul...if we KNEW he had arrested Anxiety then we could for sure have Pass arrest someone else and then have some options. As it stands, we are somewhat screwed.

If you're alive tomorrow I want to take a shot at you, see if I can finally climb up the ladder...probably too late, but it's worth a shot.

I've been quiet. Well, Chief had a reason that I ended up on a list of people who could have hired the swordsman on day one and I believe day four or five, but I'm on record as attempting to hire the priest day one (though of course that's not proof). I actually haven't seen Ironus Headus' reason for arresting me.

But the quietness is a valid charge. Had trouble getting my head around a lot of this and I have been quieter as a result.

Path - for the record I arrested you for a couple of reasons. One was that you are a veteran player that has been under the radar. Something that kept troubling me in going back through all of your posts was that you were constantly asking questions about who had what service and whether certain things could be done with what services. You seem to ask a lot of questions about everyone else or make certain statements but then you never seem to follow it up much analysis. It almost seems to me like information gathering, or that you are trying to lead people somewhere. This is where I am at bit of a loss as a new player to Werewolf as I don't know individual players styles.

It also troubled me that you have been in the middle to higher part of the wealth bracket the entire game but we know next to nothing about your service history. Sure, you have claimed to lose some bids. I don't recall you claiming to win any, and lost service bid claims can be faked.

Like I said before, I'm worried about KWhit. I believe he was the one who hired the killer the other night.

VOTE KAYUS WHITUS

Ironhead, my characterization of path's style when he's a good guy is that he tends more toward the quiet end of the spectrum, but he tends to offer a lot of value when he posts.

Crap, I had a big response typed up and just lost the damn thing. Short version:

I appreciate you letting me know your reasons. I did win Maximus the bodyguard day 2 or 3 and used him to protect Barkeep as consul. That's my only win so far. I don't know why.

As for playing UTR this game: As I've said, I stupidly didn't put together notes for this game, which I would normally do in a game this size. That in combination with some time issues early got me very lost. I'm not one to post unless I have something to add, and that hasn't really happened this game, unfortunately. I am good by the way, but not terribly useful so far.

But again, I do appreciate you putting down your reasons for the arrest.

I may not be on for a while, so I am casting my vote. This is really for the fact that we have the most to learn from tossing Khayus whitus:

Vote to toss Khayus Whitus to the rock

I'm back on. Read Anxietus's proposal to arrest just him. I'm obviously not in control of that, and I don't know what Pass is planning. I'm unsure how to proceed with the proposal. If Anxietus is good, it certainly works out for us, unless his scan of AE was somehow faulty or incomplete. If Anxietus is bad but AE is good, then it definitely works out in our favor, unless there's some hidden catch I haven't thought of. At this point in the game I'm paranoid enough to think there could be. However, if both of them are bad it definitely doesn't work in our favor.

I don't want to be singled out by Anxiety to make this decision. His arrest is the one I'm supporting mostly, and it seems there's other voices calilng out for Ardentus. I'll let other people voice their opinions.

Given the likelihood that there's a traitor among the rich, I'm going to continue suing them.

I SUE ABEUS ANXIETUS
ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
MUSTANGUS
GRAMMUS ATTICUS

Only the first day I've ever been 'rich' where I could actually bid on someone and have a very good chance of winning the bid.

Speaking of rich, I have seen no declaration of who is bidding on what really.

It sounds like Anxietus is going for the sword killer. I imagine Ardentus might be too, but I don't think he said. I would say maybe the lawyer is the next priority? Or bodyguards? I still haven't seen any clue who Passus is arresting, so I don't know which lawyer to bid on.

Yes, sorry, I should clarify. I'm not suing you because you mgiht be the rich traitor, but just because I don't want to see anybody get sitting too pretty up at the top of the wealth standings. So I've been suing all the wealthiest brackets for a few days now.

Incidentally, is there any reason why I should limit my suits so that I'm not suing everyone?

As one of the less wealthy, I don't see that I have anything to gain by announcing what I'm bidding for before the deadline. Any contrary opinions?

There is a limit to how many the courts can handle, but I haven't seen many going through, so basically no no reason to limit.

Probably no reason not to announce your bid either, but without a set plan for everyone I'm less apt to announce mine either. I wish we had gotten together this morning on that.

In terms of a set plan, though, that's best for the people who have higher priority on acquiring services. It'd be nice to have an idea of which services are being taken by the wealthy so that I don't waste my effort. :)

I'm more apt to believe that this sudden reluctance to share bidding information means that some of the higher ups are possibly Tarqs.

One thing I dont' understand, if KWhit was cleared by 2 others, why are we executing him? I'm just not following the logic right now.

For now - Vote Free KWhit

How is Anxiety alleged to have scanned KWhit — via a lawyer hire, or via innate ability?

Dola, and who else is alleged to have scanned him?

Best to always put something in. It is my guess that you are probably a loyalist. I think if you were a Tarq, it would have kept either LSG or Chubby in the game easier... I think it is easier to just throw out names right now if you are a Tarq than it is to be logical if you are a loyalist since I don't think there is a real clear cut idea on anything right now..

Oh, I'll definitely put something in. Haven't decided what, yet. :)

Post 2813.. I was looking for some contradiction to that.

OK, so CW scanned him (through indeterminate means... probably the same as Anxiety?).

On the one hand, it'd be a pretty bold move for two Tarqs to vouch for a third... on the second, the vouch might put the third into a pretty good level of trust... on the third hand, at what level are we relying on the accuracy of the results, CW and Anxiety, or the method they used to do the scan?

dola, that is, if they both used ardent to scan, for the sake of argument, could both CW and Anxiety be good guys, but have gotten bad information if ardent were a bad dude? Or do we have some sort of confirmation that their method were reliable (e.g. used a lawyer who's now dead and who was revealed as good)?

Geez, for an approaching deadline, this place is pretty quiet.

I want to point out a couple things:

One, realize that you have to vote for executing KWhit or Pathus, you can't just vote to Free someone anymore.

Anxietus supposedly scanned KWhit using the lawyer's ability. KWhit was also scanned the same way by Coffeeus Warlord (who was just killed by Ardentus recently), and someone else? Or did Anxietus scan him twice? God, I can't remember. It's the fact that he was scanned repeatedly, and by teh same circle of people several of whom have been very suspect that makes it suspect, since we can't confirm those scans. It seems to me like a traitor wasting a scan while trying to look loyal.

Lastly I think the bidding problem is that Chiefus Rumus had been organizing the bidding, and didn't have time to today and nobody picked up the slack. Still, I agree, there are probably rich traitors.

TOSS PATH12 OFF THE ROCK

Nothing more than a hunch but I felt enough of something to arrest him. I really don't think KWhit is bad, and feel the chances of Path being bad are higher. There really is no proof out there one way or another for either of these two.

I will tell you one thing. If Narcizo is still alive in the morning and no one claims a BG block I am going to start becoming very suspicious of our two lawyers.

We don't know yet whether the scan just determines they weren't up to no good that night, or is all inclusive. My inclination is that it is all inclusive.

We have some confirmation that the lawyers have no control or knowledge of the process and therefore presumably can't influence it.

Autumnus, if you look at the post cited by Mustangus, you'll see that Kayus claims to have been cleared by Coffeus in addition to Abeus.

I wasn't necessarily thinking of direct influence or knowledge, but I was suspecting that possibly if one or both of the lawyers were Tarqs and an attempt was made to scan a Tarq, then it might come up clean without the direct action of the lawyer involved, as a sort of passive defense.

That's true, it's been a while since the traitors have offed the 2nd lawyer. Suspicious. Although if we assume Ardentus's sword kill was not bad, the traitors haven't had a kill in two nights, right? How long has Narcizus been lawyer?

Right, I think that's what I said above. Abeus duplicating Coffeeus' scan was what was kind of dubious, and in my mind makes it less useful. We never got a chance to find out Coffee's loyalty, or Abe's though.

My problem is that I'm torn on just how much mileage we would be able to get out of any result from tossing KWhit.

So far I have the vote as 8 for executing Kayus Whitus and 3 for executing Pathus Twelveus, and the rest abstaining. Looks pretty dead around here.

Dola, rather, weighing the probability that a Tarq would be double-vouched as a good guy, vs. whether we actually gain anything by tossing him if he's not a Tarq.

Ultimately, I don't feel like the equation works in our favor.

While I like working with a good-guy path12, and he offers reasonable excuses for lower participation here, I feel like the balance is in favor of tossing him.

Hence,
VOTE EXECUTE Pathus Twelveus

Well if Kayus Whitus turns up bad, then we've got a pretty clear case on Anxietus it seems. IF he turns up loyal, I agree that doesn't tell us too much. It's just the only lead I've got. Anxietus has had a lot of realy sketchy things going on, and we tried to execute him. So I feel like we have to follow that trail, unless something else turns up.

That's what I have, too.

I'll be back in a little bit to reveal whose services I failed to obtain. :p

Here's another reason, I don't think KWhit has even shown up to vote in his execution trial. I'm also wondering why Mustangus hasn't voted.

Todays lawsuits (winner underlined):

Ardent sues Anxiety
Ardent sues Grammaticus
Ardent sues Mustang
Ardent sues Autumn
Ardent sues Kwhit
Ardent sues Path12
Ardent sues Ironhead
Ardent sues Barkeep
Ardent sues Narcizo
Ardent sues Passacaglia
Ardent sues Tyrith
Ardent sues Chief Rum
Ardent sues Mr. Wednesday
Grammaticus Atticus sues Barkeepus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Anxieteus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Tyrithus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Pathus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Passus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Ironus Hedus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Mustangus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Mr. Wednesday
Autumn SUES ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
Autumn SUES KAYUS WHITUS
Autumn SUES ABEUS ANXIETUS
Autumn SUES PATHUS TWELVEUS
Autumn SUES PASCALLIGUS

Holy moly, Ardent is a rich bugger.

The initial vote in the treason trial is as follows:



9 - KWhit - Narcizo (2899), Tyrith (2939), Autumn (2940), path12 (2960), Chief Rum (2984), Barkeep (3015), Passacaglia (3024), Grammaticus (3027), Mr. Wednesday (3055)

3 - path12 - Ardent (2924), Anxiety (3017), Ironhead (3047)


Narcizus Lispus asks to be heard - he lays out a most convincing case against Kayus Whitus, and another vote is taken. This time the result is unanimous, and Kayus Whitus is hurled to his death.

Huh? Why did Narcizus ask for another vote?

Dola, not that I don't appreciate it or anything, but it's kind of a surprise.

The following Senator has been murdered:

Misterus Wednesdayus, by sword

The following Senators are in jail:

Autumnus Leavus
Abeus Anxietus

That was Narcizo working as a prosecutor.

It just means someone hired him to prosecute Kayus I think. Chief Rum said he hired Narcizus I think. THree vote swing.

He must have been hired to prosecute.

Well, that stinks.

And that stinks.

It doesn't say how he was murdered ...

And Passus, I assume you're the one who arrested me. Um, why?

I screwed up. I should have voted Path directly (obviously since I voted KWhit innocent...)

Oh was that you that voted to free KWhit? I was thinking it was the late Mr. W. That makes sense then, sorry, I tried to catch you so you could change that.

I feel bad for Mr. W coming in and catching up just to get offed. :(

The wealthiest men in Rome are:

Ardentus Enthusiastus
Grammus Atticus


The following men are extremely wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus
Autumnus Leavus


The following men are moderately wealthy:

Ironus Headus
Mustangus Sallus
Narcizus Lispus
Pathus Twelveus


The following (remaining) Senators are of normal wealth:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Chiefus Rumus
Passus Caglius
Tyrus Ithus

Yeah, that's a lot of homework for nothing.

Is it normal to have this much turnover in a big game?

The following services are available in the Forum today:

Maximus Maximus, ex-legionnaire
Vitus Avidus, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Macro Gothicus, barbarian turned citizen for his service during wartime
Balbus Senna, political philosopher from Corsica
Faustus Felix, owner of many horses
Bonus Oceanus, owner of many horses

and, of course

Ardentus Enthusiastus
Narcizus Lispus

No. It is disheartening for a gm.

I hope we made the right execution there, since we lost another one. Any bodyguard activity? It seems the poisoning has just stopped, or we've gotten real lucky.

I'm bummed I got thrown in jail, but I guess in this game everyone's going to take a turn before we get an idea what's going on. I'll be back in the morning to find out why I'm in the slammer, and to see what else we found out last night.

I can imagine, I've run other online roleplaying games and turnover is a killer, and an extra headache chasing down new people. God knows I've spent more time on this than I probably should ahve, so I can't really blame anyone though.

Doesn't make sense for the Tarqs to stop poisoning. Seems they could win the swordsman and poison someone and kill 2 a night. So, are they being blocked or are body guards doing a good job or what?

Yep.. thought I had my bases covered but, 9-3 turned to 12-0 so.. it would have been 12-1 or 13-0... *shrug*

I've been wondering about that myself. I can't imagine that there is not a mechanism that would let you know if the bodyguard you hired blocked an attack......yet I don't recall one person saying that they know their BG's made a block.

But really, I think we've just not done a good job (with exceptions for CR, Narcizo and a few others) in being able to effectively compile all the disparate bits of information that are floating around. I feel if we were all just able to get organized and on the same page we could win this. I blame myself as much as anybody, but I'm trying to get there now.

For example, we need a list of who claimed to hire what each day -- and who actually claimed to get each service each day -- and then what actual affects we saw from that service. I'm sure being able to look at that in a table would help us, and I'm trying to put it together tonight and tomorrow, but it's slow going with 60-odd pages.

We need a lawsuit standings list. We need voting records. We maybe need to track wealth movements (though the hire list should help with that). You get the idea.

There is a TON of information in this game. There may be too much. This game is going to take pure logic to put it together. I don't know that I'm smart enough. :)

Well, we're 90 minutes after deadline and no messages, so it doesn;t look like I got the sword killer in order to hold on to it. Ah well.

Maybe Narc should just veto all of the lynches until we run a lawyer scan to hit someone who is showing a negative hit?

We need to find out what killed Mr.W and what side KWhit was on,before anything else.

Maybe the swordsman is a guarantee kill but, poison isn't or there is a chance that they could be caught in the act??

Just trying to think of alternate possibilities...

Cronin has said before what killed people. I wonder why he hasn't this time?

I'm OK with that.

post edited, Mr. W was killed by sword

What is a nightfall vote?

Example:

EXECUTE PLAYER A
VOTE PLAYERS B AND C FOR CONSUL
NIGHTFALL

"Nightfall" indicates you will not change your vote. If everybody votes nightfall, the deadline can be processed immediately.

It's a signal that your vote is final. If there are a majority of nightfall votes then the GM can (depending on their policy) end the day before deadline.

Our GM is quick.

Dammit. I shoulda put Welcome to Hollywood after that.

I see

Balbus Senna visited me. Boring.

Kwhit was loyal. I guess we lynched him. :(

Back to catching up.

BTW, I didn't get a service tonight. I wasn't told what to bid on and forgot to do it. Sorry. :(