I gotta hand it to the GOP - they can insert Hillary into everything. Did you know that not only is Biden going to pack SCOTUS, but Hillary will be one of them?

If this was the case, they wouldn't have let McCain be the hero. They would've protected someone vulnerable, like Gardner, and let them be the deciding vote. For the optics of how skinny repeal failed, there's just no way McConnell would've been behind that.

That's assuming everyone plays by the rules, which we have seen, the republicans have given their tacit permission that it's ok to not to play by the rules. Regardless though, there is no perfect system that can be implemented, stacked or reduced, term limits, etc...as long as you have bad actors, they will find a way to cheat.

I mean if they strike down Medicare, they are just asking for Court packing.

(what I'm envisioning if ACA is struck down is that the Democrats just remove all maximum age limits for Medicare)

Yeah did you see the House GOP tweeted a congrats to Barrett and in the same tweet wished Hillary a Happy Birthday

So if they get rid of Roe vs Wade, what do those one issue voters have left? Not sure what else they could switch their crusade to after slaying that windmill.

They won't get rid of it. They'll do what they've been doing for the last 20 years - putting in more and more restrictions so it's not possible for any provider to meet: the stupid stuff like 20' wide hallways and admitting privileges. "See, it's still legal!" they'll say, even as there are only like 10 states with actual clinics.

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But conservatives have been saying for years "if we just get one more justice we can finally overturn Roe." What are they going to say if a case comes up and they don't overturn it?

I mean, in 1992 the Republicans had an 8-1 advantage on the court. Also, the 1 Dem appointed justice was against Roe. They still couldn't overturn it then.

The dems should totally do that. :D

If the Dems were going for maximum troll job, that would be hilarious.

SI

"Vote for me because Swine Flu"...And he's the one we should not be concerned about when it comes to cognitive decline. Okay...

Then when Republicans complain, withdraw her and nominate AOC and watch heads explode. :D

I'd be perfectly happy if the Dems propose 75 new SCOTUS seats and ram it through.

But that's mostly because I'd get an unfettered day of joy posting "**Elections have consequences** to a thousand hillbilly whiners all over my FB feed

It's petty, but at my age, caramels and pettiness are likely all that keep me going.

Obama and Hillary.

Aw hell, start with Garland. Then add Obama. Then Bill and Hillary both. There's your 4 justices.

It's an awful plan and an awful idea. But if you were going for maximum trolling, that's getting there.

SI

Knowing the Dems, they'll end up losing the vote to expand the Court by one vote because Biden wouldn't agree to make Bernie one of the Justices

I want 40 year old justices if we're going to be absurd.

For example, Joe Kennedy III would be a great pick if we're going to troll. He's 40 and a Kennedy.

Chelsea is 40...

I do hope you are correct. I hope the Satanic Church will give these pro-birthers a run for their money.

yeah. How soon til Malia finishes law school?

Yep. As was demonstrated rather recently, impeachment is hard to do. Wouldn't be less so for a justice.

Bernie is too damn old. You really just need to put "The Squad" on the bench.

What did they say when they won on repeal and replace of Obamacare in 2016 and did nothing? Did anyone on the right even question it once the partial repeal failed?

Some of the talking heads raged about how McConnell's Senate was just a bunch of wimpy cuck RINOs or some damn thing. Coulter comes to mind, Rush was on that boat, dunno about others.

But there was right-wing media blowback.

Yep. Conservatives got mad about that just like they got mad about basically the majority of Dubya's second term. But increasingly there aren't enough of them left to matter. What replaced them might be best described as anti-leftists, who don't particularly care what it is they are for so long as it's not what Democrats are for.

And what better leader than the guy that fillibustered his own bill to own the Dems.

Justices: AOC Omar Jayapal Pressley

And heads explode everywhere.

I'm going to assume you need a law degree, and I'm not sure any of those do.

Preet Bharaha and Keith Ellison do, though.

You don't need anything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...Court_justices

I don't mean technically but realistically. Doing a quick Wiki search suggests Reed was admitted to the bar, but that was in 1910. (And he did at least study at law schools.)

Democratic leadership would rather have conservatives in power than M4A.

I need a timeout to send Atocep a big ol' "fuck you, buddy" for reminding me exactly how old I'm getting. :lol:

You realize that Medicare is very different that "Medicare For All"? Medicare has Premiums and Deductables for doctor's visits. And it doesn't cover everything (hence the existence of Medicare Advantage plans).

I mean if you are going to stack a court, you can probably do whatever you want ;)

Drake is on fire today.

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Fine. Let's just pick four immigrants at random.

seriously, he needs to eat a bag of dicks.

JFC. At his make Trump feel good rally, he’s talking about Biden getting assassinated three weeks into his presidency.

I, and I suspect many others, took him as meaning shot not in a literal sense but figuratively, still, a stunningly terrible choice of words.

If I was Trump I would focus on PA.

Essentially if Biden loses PA, that means certain demographics is voting for Trump more than expected, and therefore those demographics may also surprise in other states like OH.

Is Joe Biden Toast If He Loses Pennsylvania? | FiveThirtyEight

Yeah, that definitely sounded like "Joe's shot" in the sense that his brain is fried, 25th Amendment, Harris takes over. Typical beneath-the-Presidency thing for him to say, but not an assassination joke.

The cops shot some dude in Philly yesterday, so that could completely fuck over the voting there if the protests grow.

You mentioned removing age limits for Medicare. That is M4A essentially. Popular among Democratic voters, not popular among their leaders.

I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall (the way Medicare is now is far more like a public option, not the Sanders or Warren plans which promised no premiums or deductibles). Not to mention Democratic voters tended to overwhelmingly backed the guy who was not for single payer.

Reminder how Medicare works: in order to qualify for Medicare Part A (pays for hospital visits, hospice, etc) you had to have personally paid Medicare taxes for 40 quarters - if you didn't you have to pay premiums (in essence you prepaid premiums). Medicare Part B is office visits that require premiums and deductibles. And most people get supplemental coverage - private insurance - to cover things Medicare doesn't.

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It goes beyond the Presidency. Progressive candidates who prumary moderates get shunned by the party and vendors are blackmailed.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019...nderstood.html


Many polls indicate people have very different views of what Medicare For All means. And when you say private insurance will be banned as part of it, support goes way down. We've discussed this on this board before.

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DCCC Warns It Will Cut Off Firms That Challenge Incumbents

I don't know man, maybe just go with the popular ideas? Maybe the party wouldn't get curbstomped on a regular basis?

They are..

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...dicare-for-all



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Sounds like tonight's Trump rally ended up abandoning thousands of people at the venue that it had bussed in and then neglected to pick up.

Perfect microcosm of how he runs the country. Gets what he wants then leaves everyone out in the cold.

I hate the guy just as much as anyone, but there are a few people involved in that process that could have screwed that up.

Lame as shit, that's for sure.

Do they not work for him and his campaign though? It just illustrates how the guy is perfectly willing to take all the credit when it goes well and none of the blame when it doesn’t.

I just went to a couple of Omaha local news websites. One mentions that the rally drew thousands. One didn't mention the rally. Neither mentioned the abandonment.

So while the GOP literally leaving a bunch of voters out in the cold is a great metaphor, it seems to be playing more with us snarky people out here than actually something that people in Nebraska are being made aware of.

what's a good republican way to spin that story?

It's not trumps fault, it's the local workers and police who helped hold the rally. Trump's job is to come, speak, then leave. Obama would've done the same thing.

Sure. Throw in a bit of praise for the police who were there and helped keep people safe during a difficult time, etc.

Ketv

Hundreds of people waited hours in the cold for buses after Trump rally in Omaha | Politics & Government | omaha.com

Some are starting to roll in. I don't know, maybe news doesn't quite travel at the speed of sound in Omaha. (First one though still is like "eh, cops drove folks from one side of the airport to the other.)

Dola:


Well of course.

(Also, the attendees don't seem to care. Was much better than Cats! Would do again and again!)

This little exchange really encapsulates this administration:

CNN's @AlisynCamerota: "Hospitals in WI are near capacity. Does that give you any pause about going there and holding a big rally?"

Trump 2020 Press Sec. Hogan Gidley: “No, it doesn’t … the VP has the best doctors in the world around him." pic.twitter.com/aBRe6IYgCF

— The Recount (@therecount) October 28, 2020

I just saw something from the bus company that was chartered to provide the transportation (picture of a facebook post, so might be completely fake) saying that the Campaign promised (1) to pay them upon arrival and (2) that the passengers would all wear masks.

Then none of the passengers had masks and no one paid them, so they left.

If true, that makes a lot of sense. And it will give the GOP a good scapegoat--the Democrat-controlled bus company did this. Trump is outraged, etc. etc.

(No idea who controls the bus company, but they will say it is Democrat-controlled regardless of who owns it).

Put this together with the quote from above that had them estimating the crowd at 29K vs the local officials at 6K and it reads like, well, what you'd expect a Trump rally to be. Heck, we're probably all a little surprised they haven't had more of these stories.

SI

Stephen Miller says that he's got a drawer full of Exec Orders on immigration that were 'too controversial' for a president who needed to run for reelection, and will be signed and put into practice if duufus wins.

Trump aide Stephen Miller preparing second-term immigration blitz | US news | The Guardian

That ... yeah, that's really something. There aren't enough facepalms for that level of tone deaf.

that Rudy clip freaking out over being called Christopher steele is hilarious.

If this is accurate...

Biden up 20 with Florida hispanics in Univision poll pic.twitter.com/IRPaFFNuPF

— UMichVoter (@umichvoter99) October 28, 2020

game over...

I wonder if the Cuban base is just staying home as opposed to an anti-Biden vote for Trump.

I have no idea if that's a good poll or not.

But isn't being up only 20 with Hispanics actually a pretty bad result for a Democrat?

Not in Florida.

I think I'll work from home starting Wednesday until all this gets sorted out. Something's got to give. Doesn't bode well for stability.

Eighty percent of Trump voters expect him to win, 11% think Biden will win. Eighty percent of Biden voters expect him to win, 6% expect Trump to win. #mulawpoll

— MULawPoll (@MULawPoll) October 28, 2020

That is incredible.

Here's the full Latino voter poll:

NEW @UnivisionNews poll of Latino voters:

NATIONAL: Biden 67% Trump 26% TEXAS: Biden 66% Trump 28%
FLORIDA: Biden 57% Trump 37%
ARIZONA: Biden 66% Trump 26%
PENNSYLVANIA Biden 67% Trump 25%

Graphic below is new state poll in each state: pic.twitter.com/D4MEW2Fn5S

— Adrian Carrasquillo (@Carrasquillo) October 28, 2020

It just illustrates perfectly the correlation between peoples opinions and where they get their media from. It is all about confirmation bias.

Hmm. My theory that Trump might lose people because they don't want to support a "loser" presupposed that his likely voters paid attention to things outside their bubble. Turns out I made a pretty bad assumption there.

First and foremost, they believe Trump. The polls are lies told by lying liars, just as the fake news comes from the lying lamestream media.

It feels like 99% of my Biden supporting circle think Trump is going to win. They refuse to trust polls anymore. Some just don't want to get crushed again. My reasoning for being optimistic is that it's going to be shitty if Trump wins re-election no matter what. It won't be any better if I "prepare" for it. If Trump does lose as expected, then constantly being pessimistic about the polls and Biden's chances just caused anxiety for no reason.

Right, he has spent weeks saying that the only way he loses is if there is cheating and illegals voting. He still thinks he won the popular vote in 2016. If you are voting for Trump, you have no reason to think he's going to lose because the media is the #1 enemy.

Are you all ready for the Kellyanne heel-to-face turn about to drop? Kind of predictable and would explain A LOT but if she really did write the article in 2018 it's less easy to call hate her as much. If it really is her it would be such a long con that they pulled on EVERYONE though and so power-hungry still...

I had an amazing conversation this morning with ... Anonymous.

Anonymous is a true patriot.

We'll all be hearing a lot more from this person very, very soon.https://t.co/M8CgEc8hAT

— George Conway (@gtconway3d) October 28, 2020

A real life Verin Mathwin!

I just hope this anonymous is someone recognizable this time rather than underlings no one outside of Washington knew about

And now this...

I'm told--by an anonymous source--that we should be standing by for news at 4:00 pm.

— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) October 28, 2020

DUN DUN DUN....

Supposedly Miles Taylor, according to multiple tweets.

That wouldn't make sense though considering in August he endorsed Biden. Wouldn't be news at all...

Exactly. This isn't all that newsworthy, AND he comes out looking pretty bad anyway.

I'm ready for this crap to be over

SI

Donald Trump is a man without character. It’s why I wrote “A Warning”...and it’s why me & my colleagues have spoken out against him (in our own names) for months. It’s time for everyone to step out of the shadows. My statement: https://t.co/yuhTgZ4bkq

— Miles Taylor (@MilesTaylorUSA) October 28, 2020

So going back to Hispanic voting for Biden, I'm at a bit of a loss why what's happening at the border hasn't caused it to be like 80%+ for Biden. The Border Wall is meant to keep out Hispanics more than any other race, and then families being seperated, and perhaps the horrible treatment of immigrants being held, so I am surprised that the number is so low. I know many Hispanics come from conservative evangelical families, but that can't be enough reason to supports Trump and Republicans can it?

Does this guy want a cookie? So brave of you Miles. What a patriot. :rolleyes:

A heel/face turn doesn't really work if you already turned months ago.

I follow this shit very closely. And I'd never heard of that dude until just now.

It was like Deepthroat being some dude I'd never heard of.

Same here, although apparently he'd already been on CNN talking shit about Trump and denying he was Anonymous.

Wait, were you super aware of Mark Felt before the news came out?

At least here in Texas you’re talking about a lot of people who are Latino in the way that other Americans are Irish or Italian. It’s only a vague part of who they are, their families have been here for so many generations now that it just doesn’t matter all that much.

Interesting, I thought they were more connected to their "roots" than most ethnicities

I don't think it's even that rational. Even conservative news sources have been taking and largely reporting polls that show Trump is losing. Some are making the argument that the polls are wrong, but not all and this goes deeper than that.

Since when has politics been rational?

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There are a lot of people who have a "I got mine so fuck everyone else trying to get a piece of it" mentality. Hispanics probably aren't any different.

You've just described a scenario in which a portion of the electorate has strong pulls in both directions. Given that, it wouldn't surprise me to have them wind up on either side. There's also the fact that some immigrants actually are tougher on immigration than the general public - we've seen that demonstrated on this forum. So tbh, not really surprising at all to me. A lot of it is even in how you frame this; a lot of people who support the wall don't do so because it keeps out a certain race. There's more to it.