On the flip side, I wonder if this causes any fringe-left Biden supporters to stay at home and not vote.

I think they are probably just considering one of them for the "Republican" in the Cabinet. Kind of like how Bill Cohen was Bill Clinton's SecDef.

It's a balance.

From what I can tell from my pretty-far-left Twitter feed, most liberals are still going to hold their nose and vote for Biden. I think that he's got a bit of wiggle room with them. Not sure how much.

Btw, is it ANY coincidence that the leaked Republicans being considered for Cabinet positions are from Ohio, Arizona, and Florida? Just sayin...

Hehe, that is an amazing coincidence (TIC)

It could play well here n AZ, Flake is not loved by either left or right here, but has the respect of the moderates and if any are still on the fence, that could definitely help a bit here.

And Kasich / Bernie was my hope for 2016, and a lot of my more center friends like Kasich as well.

In general, Biden's lead is driven by moderates who are sick of Trump.

Regardless of how he plans to govern, I think that he would be foolish to start talking like a radical leftist at this point.

That's my thought. But I'll admit to not being in tune with the far left...:D

A great story about the crazy race in Georgia with the nutcase QAnon lady, and the average dude who ran against her, and how and why he quit is campaign after 31 days.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...a/?arc404=true

It helps that there's no Jill Stein/Ralph Nader type person to get any traction with the far left. Howie Hawkins just isn't making much of an impression.

It also may be one of the more ridiculous names running for office, which kind of helps people not take him seriously ;).

I'm still hoping that Al Franken and Jill Stein run together.

That ticket would be a monster.

The only a Republican can be Sec Def shit needs to end.

Say what? Leon Panetta and Ash Carter were both Democratic SecDefs under Obama.

But it's been a thing going back to Clinton. That's been where they've often stashed the GOP cabinet member. Dems need a clear stance on defense with Dems implementing those policies at the Pentagon.

That's literally just two Administrations... and in Obama's defense, Gates was highly respected among Republicans and Democrats when Obama decided to keep him. And Hagel, while a Republican Senator was actually filibustered by Senate Republicans because he wanted to cut defense funding and wanted to have talks with Hamas and Hezbollah.

Lesley Stahl was mean to me! Waaaaa! Waaaaaaaaa! Waaaaaaaa!

Where do you think the token Republican should go in the cabinet instead of Defense, or do you think Biden should just not appoint one at all?

That's about all the Dems have had since 1968.

edit: I knew McNamara was a Republican, but I didn't realize Truman also had a GOP Sec Def for over a year.

Um... you missed one... :D

Kasich should obviously be Secretary of the Treasury ;).

(Flake could be Interior I guess)

"About all"

I don't know anything about Carter's Sec Def, but he was listed as Independent.

I don't think this matters to most people left of me that I am consuming content from. For most of those folks, the decision is whether Trump is bad enough to vote not-Trump. Once that decision is made, not much else matters.

I don't think having an opposition party member in the cabinet makes much sense without the opposition party also supporting some portion of the in power party's agenda. There's immediately either a question of loyalty or the person ends up basically out of the opposition party ala Hagel. It makes sense in a situation like WW2, but in ordinary times, it's just largely ineffective political messaging.

But with Sec Def, specifically, Dems need to have a clear policy agenda in regards to Defense and Homeland Security. Repeatedly handing that position to the GOP builds a narrative that Dems aren't qualified to run defense.

Since I just mentioned following some folks left of me... I am not really sure how many types of people or what definitions exist, but I make note of two types of people for the most part:


socialists: supported sanders in the primary, would be okay with democratic socialism but feels like a guy like Bernie is nowhere near left enough ideally. Sees no benefit to a moderate like Biden, other than not being Trump. A biden administration has no hope of progressing any of this person's core values. The vote is only about whether there is a real and pressing need to remove Trump from office.

black/native activists: Biden is not in favor of serious change to any structures of governance that uphold institutional racism. I definitely see some folks who will not be voting at all here. From the perspective of institutional white supremacy, no difference between Trump and Biden. Both of them will uphold the current level of institutional oppression. This does not, of course, speak to Trump the individual human being as a white supremacist, so most are voting, and voting Biden for this reason, kids in cages, that kind of thing. But I think the general perspective here is that these kinds of awful things and eye opening things to some of us are not really new at all, and yes they are horrible, but not as far away from the norm as many of us like to pretend.


Thus my takeaway that once the "not trump" decision has been made, there's really not a lot that could change it.

Makes sense JPhillips, thanks. I definitely agree with all of that. I don't think they should feel obligated or whatever to appoint someone who isn't the best person for whatever job they need done.

LOL. A convenient way to ignore an entire Democratic administration. Harold Brown is listed as an independent because he never ran for office (he was a scientist of physics), but was raised in a Democratic family and worked in Democratic administrations.

Also Gates and Hagel weren't the only Republicans in Obama's cabinet anyways. LaHood was Obama's Transportation Secretary (After W appointed a Democrat as Transportation Secretary).

So this he's going to make a Republican SecDef seems to be putting the cart before the horse.

lol

I'm not saying he's going to, I'm saying he shouldn't.

You've got to be shitting me

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncn...mpression=true


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Oh this is fun:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/u....co/3F2kJfXzJm

Trump has a Chinese bank account and has paid more in taxes to China than the US.

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They know they won't get paid otherwise.

Biden needs to work this in multiple times Thursday

"WHERE ARE THE KID'S PARENTS DONALD?"

I've done several wave and honk things now. And whenever there is an obvious trump supporter they always and i mean always shout angrily at me. It's so gross. Why is that their entire platform.

When all you have is unjustified anger, everything looks like a lib to yell at.

So the trumpent has a Chinese bank account? New York Times: Tax records show Trump maintains Chinese bank account

And things like this: Trump's business appears to have cut Matt Gaetz a RNC hotel discount that went unreported to the FEC Really makes it even easier to understand why the republican controlled Senate is so willing to rubber stamp pretty much anything trump wants or say...vote No on impeachment/removal from office or appoint a clearly unqualified judge (that can't even name some of the most basic rights of the 1st Amendment) to the Supreme Court.

Fox reports in this thread (contra the lead story on Fox home page) that the FBI may be eyeing the Mac repairman as a *target* rather than a cooperator and that the prospect of foreign interference re: the Hunter Biden laptop is still very much in play >>> https://t.co/pcn78RaqUz

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) October 21, 2020

Guiliani/Borat - 2020 just continues to horrify.

Considering the GOP's recent track record, it's safe to say if they're the ones accusing others of a pedophilia problem we can make an educated guess on where the problem really is.

It's hard to remember just how revered Rudy was after 9/11. People would tear up with joy and respect just invoking his name.

There should be a mandatory retirement age of 65 for all public figures. For their own sakes.

I always wonder about guys like Rudy and Chris Christie. They were moderates who had sigificant bipartisan support during their electoral successes. Then suddenly they went full Trump and abandoned their previous ideas. What I wonder is if they really were moderates who changed or were they just playing to their NY/NJ electorate while hiding their true beliefs?

The whole thing is unclear, but I don't think he believed she was under-aged. The actress playing Borat's daughter is in her 20s and was playing his daughter portraying a conservative journalist interviewing him, but until Borat busts in and makes the joke that she's 15 and too old for him, there's nothing that's been released that suggests he thought he was 15.

But I guess we'll find out from the movie.

That very well could be the case. I admitedly skimmed through it while on a break and I thought he knew she was 15.

Watch interviews with Rudy 10 years ago compared to now. His changes are strikingly similar to Trump's.

The woman that works for him that he was sexualizing in his Chinese voice video was a high school student last year.

That would have been nice. From other sources, the argument I've heard is this:

** Congress set the date for the election over 150 years ago.

** The Pennsylania court decision requires ballots to be accepted after that date, including mandating a presumption they were sent on time if there isn't evidence to the contrary.

** This puts that court in a position of contradicting the date Congress established.

** Equal protection - any extension of the federally determined voting date done in Pennsylvania is discriminatory if it doesn't apply to all states.

Many states already allow votes to be counted as long as they are postmarked by election day. Actually you would think equal protection would force all states to do the same. This argument really boils down to almost the abortion argument. "When is a vote a vote?" Congress set the date that all votes must be made, but that obviously doesn't mean counted (many states counts go way past election day). So, does it mean when the election board gets the vote, or is it when the it is marked and sent? I would say marked and sent, because that shows complete intent to vote.

Drudge has the Rudy pic! Ugh!

As a voter, I only have control over when I mail my vote. I don't know if it will take a day or a month to arrive. The voter should only be responsible for meeting a postmark deadline, not an arrival deadline.

I agree with the rest of what you said. The issue here though is postmarking isn't standard practice anymore due to dot matrix codes on the stamps, or so I understand. So the ruling orders that the presumption is they were sent on time if received by a few days later, regardless of postmarking or not. This is one of those cases where improved technology actually makes it more difficult to track this type of issue.

yeah, umm....

As KY starts to dramatically increase its cases/deaths, the "Covid is going to disappear after the election" conspiracy theory has been replaced with the "isn't it a coincidence that cases are shooting up a few weeks before the election?" crap. They have it figured out either way, no wonder they never think they are wrong and can't tell the difference between truth and lie.

Ummmm...I am seeing someone who watched the early screening that says the girl was introduced as Borat's 15 year old inspiring journalist daughter to Rudy. If true, Rudy did think she was 15. Yeah.

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Pretty hard to justify it since they pretend to be federalists who don't want to impede on the sovereignty of the state.

Just use this as another example that the "originalist" argument is complete bullshit. They will go against it for partisan reasons every single time.

Good Lord Obama is eviscerating Trump at a rally in Philly. Trump is gonna lose it

Said the same thing in the other thread, Lathum. You posted first, so you get the cookie.

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Odd that he would race to call the cops and that they didn't find any crime had been committed if that's the case.

Also, all we've seen is a still shot but I read that the explanation is he was tucking in his shirt.

I could do without hearing the words "extreme" and "radical" for about the next 10 years.

We will see on Friday. I can't freaking wait and not just for this scene. The cuts from the movie I have seen are insane.

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I really hope I'm wrong about the return of public assassinations, but it feels almost inevitable looking at certain groups.

I don't see the Borat thing changing voters' minds. Will just preach to the choir.

But I do see it being yet another thing to distract the Trump Campaign when it really should be focusing on winning.

Also, do you lay down on a bed to tuck in a shirt? Have I been doing it wrong all these years?

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FBI making a major announcement related to Vote Security tonight.

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Not watching it, but reaction on twitter seems to be that the Iranians and Russians are trying to fuck with us and the Iranians were behind the voter intimidation emails ostensibly from the Proud Boys.

Does not seem "emergency press conference" worthy, but maybe we are trying to send a signal to the Russians and Iranians.

It was an emergency to make sure people knew the Proud Boys, who have been associated with Trump, didn't send those emails.

Trump must know the end is near. He's back to arguing/complaining about the coverage of his inauguration crowd size. We've come full circle, folks.

The Iranians got voter registration data anybody can get for a small fee?

I expect we'll learn the real reasons behind the briefing soon. My guess is Ratcliffe was spinning the message Wray wanted to put out.

No, but it might put this Hunter Biden shit to bed since that's where it came from.

Supergenius Trump releases the 60 Minutes interview just in time to be hammered on specifics from it at tonight's debate.

I just watched the interview. Frankly, I think he comes off looking pretty good and any attempt by Stahl to "nail him" looked pretty weak.

Are you also a complete whiner with a victim complex?

My guess is he didn't release all of it.

It was 37 minutes.

29 seconds in he is complaining that they ask easier questions to Biden. There was zero chance this interview was gonna end well.

Trump tells @60Minutes in footage he released that he wants to see the Supreme Court wipe out Obamacare.

“I hope that they end it.”

Later in the comments

"Every GOP Senator up on Nov 3rd just screamed."

I don't know why that's so bad - it's the same platform they ran on in 2016. His core supporters want it to happen. They don't understand that it will hurt them, they just want "socialism" wiped out. Same scenario happened in 2015 in KY when Matt Bevin was elected on the same platform and his voters were outraged to find out they were losing their healthcare, when that's why they voted for him!

If anything, I think the best argument to make based on this is that they have no plan. They promised to dismantle it in 2017, had the Oval Office and both the House and Senate, and still did nothing. They are the party of blame and complaining with no ideas or solutions.

Initially, I was against Obamacare. That was because I was an idiot just going along with the Republican BS.

Now, I don't understand the need to get rid of it. My mom wouldn't have insurance without it.

I am against these ideas that everyone gets the same government insurance because I've purposely put myself in a position to have really good health insurance, but I want everyone else to have it too. It is way too valuable for everyone not to have it.

It is hard for someone like me in our political environment. I lean right policy wise but I can't stand a lot of the politicians and some of the policies I don't like.

If it's true that a Dutch researcher hacked Trump's Twitter account by guessing his PW was maga2020, holy crap. Trump needs it be retired one way or another.

I think it's a very accurate representation of Trump. If you like him, you'll probably like the interview, and if you don't, you won't.

Kushner talking up Trump-branded media outlet, GOP sources say - Business Insider

not wild about linking to BI site, but one of the authors is a guy I know so okay I guess so...

I'm sure glad that the official WH email is sending out good shit like this:

Trump’s Greatest Accomplishments Are What He Hasn’t Done

...and they go on to praise him for NOT seizing power and starting wars.

The bar has never been lower.

This is how it can end without a quasi-civil war, right? He claims that the vote was rigged and he really won. But he leaves, not because he lost, but because he's smart and he can make more money with Trump TV. He leaves on his terms.

Well sad to say but so far Trump is doing fairly well in this debate compared to last time. If it continues like this I do think he is going to get a decent bump from this.

I saw about 48 million have already voted. If we think 150 million will vote that's a third in. Not sure there's much Trump can do to wipe out an 8 point lead with 12 days left and a third of the vote in.

The bar is so low. This is the GWB scenario: "Well, he's not doing awful so he wins the debate!"

SI

Just throwing it out there. I've already voted for Biden. I was just trying to "keep it real" - I don't think she did a very good job.

For instance, when asked about the "lock her up" statement regarding the governor of Michigan, she should have had her notes and stated specifically when he said "lock her up, lock them all up" this past week. She seems to have the opening statement, but nothing to rebut his rebuttal.

so Poland just banned most abortions yesterday :/

This is Mitch McConnel



No concerns here

"I mean, why would you even do a second term as President, right? Why would you want that? I never even wanted that. Everyone told me, sir, you need to run the country needs you. And I said, why would I do that? That makes no sense. Let Pence do it. No sense. And they said that you're our only hope. You're the only one who can stop the deep state. And I said OK. OK. I'll run again, but this doesn't make sense. And then I won, but they stole the election, but we won't even get into that. They stole it, just like they tried to steal the other one. But that's OK. I'm OK. I wasn't even trying to win, and I won anyway. I won Texas. I won Pennsylvania. I even won California. You know that? They did studies, everyone knows that. I won California. 'Oh a Republican can never win California.' But I did. I did and they all know that, but they stole it from me. But that's OK. That's OK.

"And you look at all the money I'm making now. And why would you even want a second term. Obama took a second term. Bush took a second term. And they lost millions. They are running out of money. They have no money. No one talks about that, but they have no money because they decided to do a second term. And I decided not to do a second term and make some money. Because I think I earned it right? I gave up millions. Hundreds of millions to be President. And that's OK. But now I can make money. I'm good with money. I'm great with money. And that's what I do now, and that's OK. And that's why I didn't run for a second term."

Perfect

cannot improve on that

is albion Trumps ghost speechwriter?


Is that you Stephen Miller?!?!?!

Confirmed, albion is Trump.

So McConnell is a wight?

54% of KY voters will say he's awight enough to come back for 6 more years

WIGHT POWER!

Last poll I saw, it was 51-42 McConnell. No way he loses in a state Trump is going to easily win.

Trump won KY in 2016 by 30 points; he's "only" up 17 right now. McConnell was re-elected by 16 points in 2014, so winning by about 10 now makes sense.

Ksyrup, you wanna drive up here this weekend for the another "GREAT TRUMP CIRCLE JERK 2020" around 275?