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Edward64 08-07-2016 06:39 AM

A surprise to me as GA has always seemed to be a strong red state.

Poll: Clinton leads Trump in Georgia - POLITICO
Quote:

Hillary Clinton holds a 4-point lead over Donald Trump in Georgia, a state that has not voted for a Democratic presidential nominee in nearly a quarter-century, according to the results of an Atlanta Journal-Constitution poll out Friday.

While Clinton earned 44 percent support, Trump took 40 percent, in the latest survey coming on the heels of a disastrous week for the Republican nominee in which he has also trailed in the battleground states of New Hampshire, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida, and in multiple national polls conducted after last week's Democratic National Convention.

miked 08-07-2016 07:50 AM

GA voted for Bill Clinton, had a democrat governor, and democrat senator about 12 years ago.

jbergey22 08-07-2016 08:58 AM

Let me just chime in with one comment.

In my opinion a lot of the Hillary haters did this to themselves by backing Trump. In all honesty did you really think Trump could beat Hillary heads up without the full support of the republicans? I wish 7-8 months ago one of the true republican candidates could have stepped up and knocked Trump out of the way so the race didnt end up this way.

Mizzou B-ball fan 08-07-2016 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3113119)
Chuckled at the below ... Hillary is alot of things but mentally unfit doesn't quite describe her but Trump on the other hand ...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/06/politi...short-circuit/


The quicker Hillary's backers stop pointing to Trump every time Hillary makes a mistake, the better off they and their candidate's campaign will be. For all of Trump's faults, Hillary has a giant rain cloud that will continue to hang over her head regarding the e-mails. She keeps insisting on addressing the situation like a lawyer (which she is). She'd be much better off addressing the situation directly and simply admitting that she screwed up.

The electorate is generally forgiving of silly statements or dumb decisions. They are not very forgiving of people who continue to lie and deceive about those statements or decisions despite mounds of evidence to the contrary.

RainMaker 08-07-2016 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 3113129)
The quicker Hillary's backers stop pointing to Trump every time Hillary makes a mistake, the better off they and their candidate's campaign will be. For all of Trump's faults, Hillary has a giant rain cloud that will continue to hang over her head regarding the e-mails. She keeps insisting on addressing the situation like a lawyer (which she is). She'd be much better off addressing the situation directly and simply admitting that she screwed up.

The electorate is generally forgiving of silly statements or dumb decisions. They are not very forgiving of people who continue to lie and deceive about those statements or decisions despite mounds of evidence to the contrary.


She's up like 7 points.

jbergey22 08-07-2016 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 3113129)
The quicker Hillary's backers stop pointing to Trump every time Hillary makes a mistake, the better off they and their candidate's campaign will be. For all of Trump's faults, Hillary has a giant rain cloud that will continue to hang over her head regarding the e-mails. She keeps insisting on addressing the situation like a lawyer (which she is). She'd be much better off addressing the situation directly and simply admitting that she screwed up.

The electorate is generally forgiving of silly statements or dumb decisions. They are not very forgiving of people who continue to lie and deceive about those statements or decisions despite mounds of evidence to the contrary.


Personally I think Hillary is doing things perfectly to win this election. Deflect off to Trump and have him put his foot in his mouth whenever given the opportunity. Trump had already won the support of people wanting "change" but in order to win he needs to touch base with undecided's. Making himself look foolish on a regular basis isnt turning these people his way.

miked 08-07-2016 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 3113129)
The quicker Hillary's backers stop pointing to Trump every time Hillary makes a mistake, the better off they and their candidate's campaign will be. For all of Trump's faults, Hillary has a giant rain cloud that will continue to hang over her head regarding the e-mails. She keeps insisting on addressing the situation like a lawyer (which she is). She'd be much better off addressing the situation directly and simply admitting that she screwed up.

The electorate is generally forgiving of silly statements or dumb decisions. They are not very forgiving of people who continue to lie and deceive about those statements or decisions despite mounds of evidence to the contrary.


The people who are not voting for her based on her emails will be just as unlikely to vote for her if she apologizes and admits a screw up (which she essentially has, admitting it was not a very good idea). All it will do is initiate another round of hearings in which we spend more money to come to the exact same conclusions.

Thomkal 08-07-2016 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3113119)
Chuckled at the below ... Hillary is alot of things but mentally unfit doesn't quite describe her but Trump on the other hand ...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/06/politi...short-circuit/


takes one to know one I guess :)

Thomkal 08-07-2016 10:57 AM

Trump gets another "endorsement" that he probably doesn't want:

Leader of American Nazi Party: Trump win will be ‘a real opportunity’ for us

JPhillips 08-07-2016 01:16 PM

If the election is a referendum on Trump, Hillary wins. If it isn't, she may lose.

Dutch 08-07-2016 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3113137)
Trump gets another "endorsement" that he probably doesn't want:

Leader of American Nazi Party: Trump win will be ‘a real opportunity’ for us


So....the communist party of America endorsed Hillary. Did you read about that too?

Thomkal 08-07-2016 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch (Post 3113180)
So....the communist party of America endorsed Hillary. Did you read about that too?


No I did not. seems strange to endorse a democrat.

Ben E Lou 08-07-2016 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 3113129)
The quicker Hillary's backers stop pointing to Trump every time Hillary makes a mistake, the better off they and their candidate's campaign will be.

I don't get this statement at all. When the two candidates are historically unpopular, it would certainly seem to me that the best argument is "don't forget how awful the other one is!"

That is particularly true with the concern about Stein and Johnson. Both sides *need* to use fear of the other primary option to keep their softer supporters in the fold.

Dutch 08-07-2016 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3113184)
No I did not. seems strange to endorse a democrat.


lmao!

RainMaker 08-07-2016 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3113184)
No I did not. seems strange to endorse a democrat.


Well the leader said he'd vote for Clinton.

I think the point is that nutjobs who have no power in this world should not have their endorsements taken seriously. Or viewed as a negative for the candidate who has no control over it. Both sides have extremists who routinely endorse the same party each election.

Dutch 08-07-2016 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3113194)
Well the leader said he'd vote for Clinton.

I think the point is that nutjobs who have no power in this world should not have their endorsements taken seriously. Or viewed as a negative for the candidate who has no control over it. Both sides have extremists who routinely endorse the same party each election.


Exactly the point. Thanks. :)

albionmoonlight 08-08-2016 02:45 PM



molson 08-08-2016 03:03 PM

I don't think it's a big deal in itself that the Nazi party leader endorses a particular candidate. There's no doubt murderers and child rapists who vote for mainstream candidates, so what. It's more the insight that the Nazi leader believes that Trump "would be a real opportunity for white nationalists", and the fact that that's true. A president who has outwardly racist views could definitely be a real game-charger for a greater societal acceptance of racism and the policies of groups like that.

RainMaker 08-08-2016 03:54 PM

Trump announced his tax plan today. I like his business tax idea but not a fan of the child-care credit or repeal of the Estate tax. Also his personal income tax rates are way too low and would add a ton to the national debt.

Subby 08-08-2016 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch (Post 3113180)
So....the communist party of America endorsed Hillary. Did you read about that too?

I like that you think the two are in any way equivalent.

RainMaker 08-08-2016 04:07 PM

Communists have killed more people.

Galaril 08-08-2016 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3113337)
Communists have killed more people.


Not in this country bud.

albionmoonlight 08-08-2016 04:55 PM

Today, Trump gave an economic speech and stayed on point, despite the fact that he was interrupted by protesters.

If he can do that for a few weeks (stay on message, not punch down at his critics), the race will tighten.

Subby 08-08-2016 05:25 PM

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Thomkal 08-08-2016 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3113349)
Today, Trump gave an economic speech and stayed on point, despite the fact that he was interrupted by protesters.

If he can do that for a few weeks (stay on message, not punch down at his critics), the race will tighten.


if he's not done in by his own party that is:

50 top GOP officials: Trump would 'risk our country's national security' - POLITICO

Anti-Trump Republican Evan McMullin to launch independent bid for presidency - POLITICO

McMullin is also a Mormon so Utah is up for grabs I guess. He missed the deadline to make the ballot in several states, so not sure what his goal is here.

RainMaker 08-08-2016 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3113349)
Today, Trump gave an economic speech and stayed on point, despite the fact that he was interrupted by protesters.

If he can do that for a few weeks (stay on message, not punch down at his critics), the race will tighten.


Only a few hours later though.

Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Many people are saying that the Iranians killed the scientist who helped the U.S. because of Hillary Clinton's hacked emails."

If he wants to make a race of this, I think he has to make it about economics. He should never talk about foreign policy unless he has to. Constantly make this race about how the middle and working class are getting screwed over in this country and how he'll fix it.

The only time I actually like Trump is when he talks about the crappy trade deals we have. That should be his campaign.

Thomkal 08-08-2016 08:30 PM

Many people are saying you shouldn't be President too Donald, which ones do we believe?

flere-imsaho 08-08-2016 08:44 PM

I like his full tax deduction for child care. That'll do quite a bit to wipe out the income tax I pay. :D

JPhillips 08-08-2016 08:46 PM

But does little if you make median income or less.

RainMaker 08-08-2016 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3113374)
But does little if you make median income or less.


Yeah it's mainly for rich people to write off their nannies.

whomario 08-08-2016 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3113374)
But does little if you make median income or less.


It baffles me that i constantly read about 2 things:

1) Trump tries to appeal to "the regular folks"
2) His business plan heavily favors you the richer you are (or the bigger the business)

Am i reading one of those wrong ? Otherwise i´ll admit it doesn´t make any sense to me.

JPhillips 08-08-2016 09:11 PM

No. That's pretty accurate.

But that economic plan worked for GWB, so who knows.

RainMaker 08-08-2016 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whomario (Post 3113380)
It baffles me that i constantly read about 2 things:

1) Trump tries to appeal to "the regular folks"
2) His business plan heavily favors you the richer you are (or the bigger the business)

Am i reading one of those wrong ? Otherwise i´ll admit it doesn´t make any sense to me.


It's pretty common in politics. Make a tax cut for the rich and throw a bone to everyone else to get them on board. In this case people likely don't realize how little (if any) tax savings this will provide.

JPhillips 08-08-2016 09:18 PM

Any deficit hawks here want to explain how they can support a plan that will add @700 billion per year?

whomario 08-08-2016 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3113383)
It's pretty common in politics. Make a tax cut for the rich and throw a bone to everyone else to get them on board. In this case people likely don't realize how little (if any) tax savings this will provide.


But shouldn't that screw up the state finances and the public sector overall ? (which is a pretty big employer, not to even speak of necessary expenses, social or otherwise). Which in return at some point will bite a ton of people in their ass again ?

Shkspr 08-08-2016 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3113363)
McMullin is also a Mormon so Utah is up for grabs I guess. He missed the deadline to make the ballot in several states, so not sure what his goal is here.


It seems to be twofold:

1) Mormons are virulently anti-Trump because the community is young enough to identify with victims of religious persecution. Even Romney's experiences four years ago are enough to make them think that anyone spouting religious purity messages may mean they are somewhere on the purge list. Plus, Mexico is the second largest LDS population in the world. There is even prophecy within the church (the "White Horse") that some think may be applicable in this election. Trump likely needs Utah and Arizona to win, and denying him these states by finding another more palatable candidate than Trump or Clinton may fulfill the prophecy.

2) Gary Johnson is running close to 15% in some polls, and with support that high in at least three states would be added to the national debate podium. McMullin may be running as an independent, but he's still GOP, and may be doing this as a smoke screen to blunt Johnson's support, since a sustained Libertarian candidacy might splift the Republican party in two.

JPhillips 08-08-2016 10:24 PM

He's clearly some sort of spoiler as there's no way he'll get on enough ballots to win.

tarcone 08-08-2016 10:35 PM

So the GOP would rather have a 6-3 disadvantage in the Supreme Court than have Trump win?

What a messed up party.

Dutch 08-08-2016 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subby (Post 3113336)
I like that you think the two are in any way equivalent.


They are.

JonInMiddleGA 08-08-2016 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shkspr (Post 3113401)


2) Gary Johnson is running close to 15% in some polls, and with support that high in at least three states would be added to the national debate podium.


Not unless they've changed the rules in the last few days.

As I posted up the thread somewhere, it's "at least 15 percent of the national electorate as determined by five selected national public opinion polling organizations, using the average of those organizations’ most recently publicly-reported results at the time of the determination."

As well as, "in addition to being Constitutionally eligible, candidates must appear on a sufficient number of state ballots to have a mathematical chance of winning a majority vote in the Electoral College"

edit to add: I haven't seen a list for 2016 but "In 2012, the polls relied upon were: ABC News/The Washington Post, NBC News/The Wall Street Journal, CBS News/The New York Times, Fox News and Gallup."

double edit: As of the latest I find on RCP, those same polls (not certain to be the ones for this cycle however)
ABC - Johnson 8, NBC - Johnson 10 (Gallup may be sitting this one out, I don't see CBS or Fox currently having any 4-way results). The RCP average is 8.2

flere-imsaho 08-08-2016 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3113374)
But does little if you make median income or less.


Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3113379)
Yeah it's mainly for rich people to write off their nannies.


That's my point. Our household earns over 6 times the median income. We can afford child care (not nannies, in our case), but this kind of deduction would seriously reduce our annual tax bill. Great for us, but I would expect pretty terrible for tax revenues.

JPhillips 08-08-2016 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3113365)
Only a few hours later though.

Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Many people are saying that the Iranians killed the scientist who helped the U.S. because of Hillary Clinton's hacked emails."

If he wants to make a race of this, I think he has to make it about economics. He should never talk about foreign policy unless he has to. Constantly make this race about how the middle and working class are getting screwed over in this country and how he'll fix it.

The only time I actually like Trump is when he talks about the crappy trade deals we have. That should be his campaign.


Many people are saying Donald Trump won't release his tax returns because he donates to NAMBLA.

SirFozzie 08-09-2016 12:07 AM

Let's not start that crap over here, see it enough over on Reddit :P

JAG 08-09-2016 06:48 AM

The liar vs. the straight talker:

Quote:

Clinton has voluntarily released the names of nearly 500 bundlers who raised at least $100,000 for her, and her campaign shares with the press the location of all fundraisers that she or vice-presidential nominee Tim Kaine attends, including whose home it is, the price of admission and the approximate number of attendees. She has released decades of her tax returns.

Trump, in contrast, has so far refused to release any of his taxes, justifying the break with historic precedent by claiming he is under audit. Trump’s campaign has also not disclosed the names of his bundlers, and it did respond to multiple inquiries about whether it intends to do so. Nor does the Trump campaign systematically disclose when he attends fundraisers, who is hosting, or the price of admission.
...
Trump’s move to keep his bundlers secret is just one element of a dramatic campaign-finance flip, from attacking donors to soliciting them, from bashing super PACS to embracing them, from promising to release his taxes to refusing. Some of the very donors he demonized by name Trump has since gone back to seek support from, hat-in-hand.


Donald Trump embraces fundraising, not transparency - POLITICO

NobodyHere 08-09-2016 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3113424)
Let's not start that crap over here, see it enough over on Reddit :P


If Trump doesn't donate to NAMBLA, then why doesn't he release his taxes?

Thomkal 08-09-2016 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shkspr (Post 3113401)
It seems to be twofold:

1) Mormons are virulently anti-Trump because the community is young enough to identify with victims of religious persecution. Even Romney's experiences four years ago are enough to make them think that anyone spouting religious purity messages may mean they are somewhere on the purge list. Plus, Mexico is the second largest LDS population in the world. There is even prophecy within the church (the "White Horse") that some think may be applicable in this election. Trump likely needs Utah and Arizona to win, and denying him these states by finding another more palatable candidate than Trump or Clinton may fulfill the prophecy.

2) Gary Johnson is running close to 15% in some polls, and with support that high in at least three states would be added to the national debate podium. McMullin may be running as an independent, but he's still GOP, and may be doing this as a smoke screen to blunt Johnson's support, since a sustained Libertarian candidacy might splift the Republican party in two.


had not heard of the White Horse prophecy before-yet another reason religion needs to stay far away from politics. #2 I can buy more-are Mormons not in favor of the Libetarian platform?

RainMaker 08-09-2016 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 3113332)
I don't think it's a big deal in itself that the Nazi party leader endorses a particular candidate. There's no doubt murderers and child rapists who vote for mainstream candidates, so what. It's more the insight that the Nazi leader believes that Trump "would be a real opportunity for white nationalists", and the fact that that's true. A president who has outwardly racist views could definitely be a real game-charger for a greater societal acceptance of racism and the policies of groups like that.


Orlando shooter's father attends Hillary Clinton rally in Kissimmee - wptv.com

Subby 08-09-2016 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch (Post 3113414)
They are.

Both are garbage, I guess I just see Nazism as so much worse because it's followers are racist inbred mouth breathing idiots.

Thomkal 08-09-2016 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3113365)
Only a few hours later though.

Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Many people are saying that the Iranians killed the scientist who helped the U.S. because of Hillary Clinton's hacked emails."

If he wants to make a race of this, I think he has to make it about economics. He should never talk about foreign policy unless he has to. Constantly make this race about how the middle and working class are getting screwed over in this country and how he'll fix it.

The only time I actually like Trump is when he talks about the crappy trade deals we have. That should be his campaign.


Glad the meme community is picking up on this-its how he justifies his arguments without ever saying who the many people are-drives me crazy.

Twitter Users Hilariously Troll Trump With #ManyPeopleAreSaying Meme

Dutch 08-09-2016 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subby (Post 3113462)
Both are garbage, I guess I just see Nazism as so much worse because it's followers are racist inbred mouth breathing idiots.


The communist big red workers machine killed millions of Jews and anti-communists under Stalin.


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