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stevew 05-21-2009 02:34 PM

Make that 8

sterlingice 05-21-2009 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bosshogg23 (Post 2029807)
Can't believe Leyland left Jackson in for 132 pitches. That is 15 more than his career high.

*spelling edit*


Yeah, if you have him on your fantasy team, best to sit him down for a game or two after that arm abuse

SI

Ksyrup 05-21-2009 02:50 PM

What flippin' luck. Detroit tried to give that game away but still won. That's the sweep, right?

lordscarlet 05-21-2009 03:01 PM

And Manny Acta can't leave a pitcher in for more than 80..

samifan24 05-21-2009 03:20 PM

Asdrubal Cabrera sure looks good in that leadoff spot.

stevew 05-21-2009 04:27 PM

Ian Snell is not that great and he looks even worse his last few starts. Threw over 120 right before his problems started.

terpkristin 05-21-2009 04:39 PM

Sheesh, did I see that flash by on ESPN's bottom line correctly?
Twins 20 - 1 ChiSox

?!?!?!?!

/tk

Logan 05-21-2009 04:40 PM

I admit knowing nothing about the guys the White Sox will supposedly give up for Peavy, but I feel comfortable saying that if you're getting back a deal that causes ESPN to state, "Peter Gammons reports Player X is not in the deal" (where in this case, X = Gordon Beckham), it's not enough.

samifan24 05-21-2009 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logan (Post 2029973)
I admit knowing nothing about the guys the White Sox will supposedly give up for Peavy, but I feel comfortable saying that if you're getting back a deal that causes ESPN to state, "Peter Gammons reports Player X is not in the deal" (where in this case, X = Gordon Beckham), it's not enough.


That's significant, too, because Beckham is very nearly Major League-ready because he's coming from a big time college program, Georgia, and won't need much more time in the high minors.

samifan24 05-21-2009 05:58 PM

Word is that Peavy has officially vetoed the White Sox trade.

terpkristin 05-21-2009 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samifan24 (Post 2030030)
Word is that Peavy has officially vetoed the White Sox trade.


Been watching ESPN most of the afternoon (took the day off), it really doesn't come as much of a surprise it seems, people there were thinking he was 50/50 at BEST to accept it.

/tk

stevew 05-21-2009 06:55 PM

Craig stamon, the Nationals Rookie Pitcher tonight is perfect thru 4.

stevew 05-21-2009 07:11 PM

Disregard the previous post. :)

Buccaneer 05-21-2009 07:19 PM

Smart move for Peav. Staying with a bad team in the NL is preferable than going to a team in the AAAA League.

Mr. Sparkle 05-21-2009 07:23 PM

It's a smart move because he'd be going to a hitter's park in a better hitting league. His numbers would probably jump precipitously.

Ksyrup 05-21-2009 09:32 PM

Suffice to say it was a bad day for the White Sox.

Izulde 05-21-2009 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 2030365)
Suffice to say it was a bad day for the White Sox.


No kidding. :(

hoopsguy 05-21-2009 10:57 PM

Kudos to Kenny Williams for putting his team in position to get Peavy.

As a Cubs fan, I'm elated that Peavy is not going to the South Side. Well, I'll be elated until he goes someplace in NL that hurts the Cubs. But for right now, I'm giving my Sox fan friends the business about their second-rate team.

MrBug708 05-21-2009 10:58 PM

He needs to just demand a trade to the Dodgers and be done with it.

Lathum 05-21-2009 11:00 PM

Peavy would look pretty good in a Mets uniform and he would love pitching at Citifield.

Crapshoot 05-22-2009 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 2030196)
Smart move for Peav. Staying with a bad team in the NL is preferable than going to a team in the AAAA League.


Are you... nuts? I'm a Giants fan, but the quality differential between the AL and the NL is about 5-10 games in favor of the former.

Butter 05-22-2009 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2030109)
Craig stamon, the Nationals Rookie Pitcher tonight is perfect thru 4.


University of Dayton product, Craig Stammen thankyouverymuch.

Nice job in his debut.

Shkspr 05-22-2009 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crapshoot (Post 2030539)
Are you... nuts? I'm a Giants fan, but the quality differential between the AL and the NL is about 5-10 games in favor of the former.


Bucc's been a little cranky ever since Crosley wired up for night games. :)

Buccaneer 05-22-2009 08:45 AM

All of my life, I have been a National League fan, esp. since 1973. National League is the Senior League, while the American League is the Arena Baseball League. :)

Young Drachma 05-22-2009 11:48 AM

Zev Chafets - Steroids shouldn't keep anyone out of the Hall of Fame - ESPN The Magazine - ESPN

molson 05-22-2009 11:54 AM


That's a pretty common argument in different contexts and I never buy it. Just because we used one standard decades ago, that doesn't mean everyone should be bound by it forever. Progress isn't a bad thing. Manny/McGwire are bigger villians in today's society than Cobb/Hornby were back then. Imagine if a domestic batteror or child molester said he should get off because those crimes weren't aggressively prosecuted in the 20s and 30s.

Personally, I'd vote for any steroid user that came clean, but leave out the criminals/liars that have damaged the game (Bonds/Clemens)

DaddyTorgo 05-22-2009 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 2030196)
Smart move for Peav. Staying with a bad team in the NL is preferable than going to a team in the AAAA League.


:lol:

Lathum 05-22-2009 07:33 PM

This team that the Mets have in the field right now is just brutal

Logan 05-22-2009 07:39 PM

First time I've ever seen a ball hit off the shortstop's knee and end up in the LF corner.

MrDNA 05-22-2009 08:35 PM

Seven homers in the Phils/Yanks tilt, with the bottom of the ninth still to come. Yikes!

RedKingGold 05-22-2009 08:53 PM

Is it too early to start MVP front-runner talk? Ibanez has to be in the National League top three candidates to this point.

JonInMiddleGA 05-22-2009 09:11 PM

With his steal in the 7th tonight, Brian McCann is now tied for the team lead in stolen bases this season ... with TWO.

adubroff 05-22-2009 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDNA (Post 2031094)
Seven homers in the Phils/Yanks tilt, with the bottom of the ninth still to come. Yikes!



I had mentally set the over under for the series at 15, and I'm going to be very low.

Big Fo 05-22-2009 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2031112)
With his steal in the 7th tonight, Brian McCann is now tied for the team lead in stolen bases this season ... with TWO.


The best team in the AL so far could do nothing against Kawakami. Nice bounce for Prado's play in the ninth.

The rest of the Braves deserve a medal of honor for being one game above .500 with what has to be the worst hitting outfield of the modern era.

k0ruptr 05-22-2009 09:50 PM

Gavin Floyd went 8 innings of 2 hit ball today as the chisox win 2-0, maybe he can turn his season around, cause the White Sox need pitching.

JonInMiddleGA 05-22-2009 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Fo (Post 2031124)
The best team in the AL so far could do nothing against Kawakami.


Dunno where that came from, only his 3rd quality start in 8 outings, and the first time he's lasted more than 6 innings in the majors.

k0ruptr 05-22-2009 09:51 PM

Kawakami has looked much much better in May then he did in April. Today he found it for sure.

larrymcg421 05-22-2009 10:59 PM

Meanwhile, the Braves OF is still pathetic. Is there an outfield that produces less than this one?

ISiddiqui 05-22-2009 11:11 PM

Wow... what in the Hell is wrong with Ricky Nolasco this season. You'd think if it was just early season slump, it'd be over by now. This is getting absolutely ridiculous.

lordscarlet 05-22-2009 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2030109)
Craig stamon, the Nationals Rookie Pitcher tonight is perfect thru 4.


Stammen, I believe. ;)

Yeah, the young guys are delivering. It's a bit worrisome that there's not a single vet in the rotation to be an example, but Zimmermann just had a good outing tonight as well (I don't have the line in front of me).

Big Fo 05-22-2009 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 2031243)
Meanwhile, the Braves OF is still pathetic. Is there an outfield that produces less than this one?


With a league average outfield Atlanta would finish ahead of Philly and the Mets imo.

stevew 05-23-2009 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordscarlet (Post 2031291)
Stammen, I believe. ;)

Yeah, the young guys are delivering. It's a bit worrisome that there's not a single vet in the rotation to be an example, but Zimmermann just had a good outing tonight as well (I don't have the line in front of me).


I was suretyping it on my blackberry. It's horrible when it comes to typing names, especially when I've never seen the guys name spelled out anywhere before.

That was a really hard game to lose. He leaves the non-reliever in a high leverage situation, lets him give up 4 hits before he finally figures he fucked up. Then Russell pinch hits for a guy with a .833 ops this month(with virtually no split) with a guy who has a .494 ops vs righties all year.

Those decisions didn't lose the game, but they sure as hell didn't help.

JonInMiddleGA 05-23-2009 12:40 AM

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/st...php?cid=467675

Through May 21st, Matt Diaz was the only Braves outfielder with more than 20 plate appearances with a positive VORP at 4.0

Schafer is (-1.5), Anderson is (-4.2), and Francouer who is second on the team in PA is (-4.9)

In the National League
-- Among regular RF's, only Brian Giles (-13.7) is worse.
-- Among regular CF's, Jody Gerut (-2.1), the Cubs platoon of Gathright/Johnson, and the Marlins duo of Maybin/Amezaga are worse.
-- Among regular LF's, the Arizona combo of Byrnes/Jackson are worse and so is Chase Headley.

Given that info, the Padres probably give the Braves a run for their money in outfield offense suckitude in the NL. A quick look at the AL seemed to have no team quite so consistently low although Detroit would be in the running if Granderson weren't doing so well.

I couldn't find WARP number year to date.

Chief Rum 05-23-2009 02:36 AM

FWIW, GA has always been a second half hitter.

Big Fo 05-23-2009 02:40 AM

Well at least we are halfway to the second half then.

Chief Rum 05-23-2009 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Fo (Post 2031330)
Well at least we are halfway to the second half then.


Heh...in his last few years with the Angels, GA, while never particularly hot in the first half, also was often not healthy to start the year, either nagging injuries or a more major month long injury, so mostly we complained about our need for power, and how GA certainly is not capable of providing what he did 6-7 years ago.

Then the second half would come around, and he would go nuts, get like 75 of his usual 90-95 ribbies from mid-July on. Never really figured out what the deal was with that.

I like GA, and the Braves are inconsequential to me as a fan (meaning I don't root against them), so I hope for the sake of both GA and the Braves that he follows his usual pattern and at least has a strong second half.

JetsIn06 05-23-2009 05:59 AM

So Kazmir, who is pitching like complete shit, is heading to the DL and David Price will be pitching on Monday.

Also, Troy Percival is on the DL and is contemplating retirement. He's been dreadful lately as well, and I kind of hope he stays away.

JetsIn06 05-23-2009 06:04 AM

dola

Jason Bartlett has been a huge surprise for the Rays this year. His defense was really his strength last year, but now he's just been on fire at the plate. He's hitting .375 with 6 home runs. Supposedly he really worked on getting stronger, and it shows. His previous career high in dingers? Five.

If he keeps this up, he's GOTTA be the starter in the all-star game. The next best average from a player with more than 100 AB's is Andrus who is hitting .292.

miked 05-23-2009 06:39 AM

Going to the Bravos game tonight. Can't wait to see the awesomeness that is Garrett Anderson live. What a waste, but I guess that's better than spending a little more to get Dunn or Abreu.

lordscarlet 05-23-2009 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Fo (Post 2031293)
With a league average outfield Atlanta would finish ahead of Philly and the Mets imo.


Imagine if the Nationals had a league-average Bullpen. They have 13 blown saves and are 2-15. Thats a 35% save conversion -- next in the NL is 45% in HOU. The League average is 6-7 with 7 blown saves. So, let's say the Nationals hit the average that means 15 fewer losses (I don't know VORP and all that, so I'm going with what I know), which puts them on top of the division.

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2031307)
I was suretyping it on my blackberry. It's horrible when it comes to typing names, especially when I've never seen the guys name spelled out anywhere before.

That was a really hard game to lose. He leaves the non-reliever in a high leverage situation, lets him give up 4 hits before he finally figures he fucked up. Then Russell pinch hits for a guy with a .833 ops this month(with virtually no split) with a guy who has a .494 ops vs righties all year.

Those decisions didn't lose the game, but they sure as hell didn't help.


The managing has been pretty pathetic. Typically the problem is bullpen management. Puling the starter to early, using a reliever for 1 pitch in relief even when he's looking good. I know some of these are what you're "supposed" to do, but this team has proven that you need to stick with the hot pitchers.


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