And of course, he keeps asking about official avatars as well as trading his download copy for a boxed version:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm...&key=&#1082002

And my head hurts trying to understand what he entered into the Suggestion/Wishlist area:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm...&key=&#1081875

wtf

Ahhh...here's his grand design.

Brilliant!

Looks like he was a football coach...I think we found one of the beta testers!

:D

I wish that I could see his requests to the NCAA to license their teams.

First I thought this guy's posts were just a total mess, perhaps coming from someone whose command of English is a bit shaky.

Then... I started to realize. What's he doing here? All these hyphens... all these periods. Hyphens... dashes. Periods... dots. Dashes and dots... IT'S MORSE CODE!

So, I figure that this is really the next enigma puzzle...






(makes more sense than any other explanation I can fathom)

Wow...

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1082030



It's a great idea to make a thread about how awesome a game is that he hasn't been able to play because he can't get it installed on his comp...

again, quote for posterity, from that thread:

RE: Scouting/Filmroom - 3/8/2006 2:18:42 PM

GWsFBAStartOct292006 Matrix Trooper Posts: 38 Joined: 3/6/2006 Status: online

Sorry, I was just thinking of ESPNNFL '2005's scouting feature; not F.P.S.: F.B.P. '98's feature of saving games and plays or all scoring plays, to be able store them or trade them. Sorry, if it seems that I am constantly bring up F.P.S.: F.B.P. '98 just that to me it was the greatest FootBall Game ever created. I have tryed all major ones, even gave up on playing real FootBall and went to the dark side* and JOINED THE EAS CUSTOMERS* and have every single one in the F.P.S. series. *Only for the stupid, followers and do not truely understand what FootBall really is about, I fit in the first-two but was an grumpy unsatisfied playing EAS FootBall Games, because I am a ex-FootBall player and ex-coach. In my defense, for which there is next to no defense for, I was playing with a few of my younger family members, the ONLY positive from that Dark stage of my playing FootBall Gaming was that it inspired me to create my company.

funniest part to me:

Geez...that thread is hilarious. He basically quotes the features of the game and types "LOVE IT!" after each section. This guy is a nutball or a very creative troll that has purchased the game.

let's be serious for a moment, is he for real? I mean could someone really be that confused or is he making it all up as he goes?

Really, when you think he's posted the weirdest post ever, he comes up with another...

I'm thinking the morse code explanation could very well be the closest on to making any sense of it all...

FM

and I would like to sincerely thank mister GWsFBAStartOct292006 for rekindling this thread that looked like it was dead. Second thanks go to mister Antmeister71 for unveiling this "protégé" so to speak. Thanks Ant!


:D

and to quote myself with the words of the great GWsFBAStartOct292006:


FM

As entertaining as GWBFBAQWERTY2006@#$!!! is, I think this is still my favorite post from the support forum:


From this, I take it that he wanted a game that resembles football, in that it's played on a football field, and where you get to design lots of pretty uniforms, but the rules are something akin to those found in various games in Quik's old Manufactured Competition Thread.

I'll be very disappointed if this GWBFBA... character is actually just one of you in disguise. Or if it's me. That would probably disappoint me even more.

Love the reference...

Two weeks ago I'd have bet money this was a troll, but since then I've been dealing with customer support for a popular online software retailer which sends me emails that are a cross between this guy and jbmagic. The first email was so bad, I thought a friend was playing a joke on me and confronted him about it. I think it's very possible this guy could be on the up and up.

yeah, it's a bit how I feel too. The trollish wave has kind of subsided, the fun was all done and then he comes around. I'd feel a bit like Quiksand if it turned out that it's a manufactured identity but my rational self has a very hard time believing that somebody can be this confused...

FM

Agreed. A long, long time ago, I worked tech support for AOL. There really are people like this out there.

The fakes were fairly easy to pick out, although CFL_FAN has recently rekindled himself as possibly just a nut case with his recent posts. But this character is either a true genius, or a 14 year old English-as-a-fourth-language student with a school business project. Then again, it's possible that an MF-customized player has achieved sentience, and is just a few ratings tweaks away from normality

My personal favourite

I'm considering posting only in blood red courier from now on, it lends a certain gravitas to any post.

you guys are bullies.

and i get a bad rep for posting some harmless stuff at MP leagues.

even better reason: it drives SkyDog up the wall...

You're new around here, you'll learn :D

FM

You make me laugh...I even giggled like SkyDog!

like i said, the humor is being forced here. it was more authentic about 20/30 pages ago. now the continued beating of the horse is getting malicious. if people dislike the game so much they should give it the worst kind of punishment.

moving on.

unless you think all the internet's weirdest people are restricted to the MF forums. there's tons of sites out there with equal, if not more, humorours content. yes, yes, why do i keep checking if i don't care. i keep assuming (wrongly) that if people are still posting here that there's actually something worthwhile to view.

i'm wrong everytime.

quoted for posterity

C'mon guys, we're not entertaining H.A. any more. Try Harder!!!

that was a classic I'm cooler than you post. could be true but that guy over there is fascinating.

Guys, I think HA has a point here. As the founder of DeanHouston.org, HA is one of the world's leading experts on "forced humor".

that's the problem, buck, you guys are trying too hard.

BLANK!

Are they using a Winter impersonator over there now?

it's just silly to see everyone eagerly trying to declare the "new era of the MF thread" everytime someone finds something to make fun of.

i've heard of grapsing for straws, but this is over the top. yeesh, its like David Winter is the only guy in history to try to accomplish something (no matter how lofty the goal) and fall flat on his face. like everything goes perfectly for all you other guys.

MF might suck, but i'd love to have the ability to create something that looked like MF. i wouldn't charge $40 for the final product, mind you, but i still respect the time that went into making something like that. FOF is a beast of a game but it doesn't even have the 2D dots of FM. so, the guy failed. how is this worthy of 60 pages of poking fun of?

Do you read your own posts? You're an asshat of the highest order.

Thanks HA, keep shoveling in some more of this funny stuff. I like it when you play other characters. This concerned character is absolutely hilarious.

Ok, Chevy. We get it. Weekend Update should have been cancelled once you left the cast of Saturday Night Live. It could never again reach the comic proportions you brought to it.

GWsFBAStartOct292006

Hmmmm, Oct 29th, 2006 will be my 30th birthday. coincidence? God, I hope so.

I hope GWsFBAStartOct292006 has a secretary/translator when his company/organization issues a memo/announcement. (Ack. I can't type like that.)

:D If he had been around in the early 1990's, I wonder what it would have been like to play in a MUD ran by him?

Guys, argue in limerick or don't argue at all.

i added more to my post above, to flesh out my thought.

i like how everyone here is authentically a good person, and this thread is just an exception to the rule, where you all have a common target to take shots at.

meanwhile, when i say "hey, don't you think you should move on, don't you think he's had enough" i'm not authentic/sincere.

everyone here is perfect. everyone always completes projects to their highest calibre and no one ever fails. no one can just take a shot and leave it at that. no, everyone jsut want to continually pile on the guy so they can manufacture their own fun.

i feel sorry for the guy. i sometimes have lots of ideas in my head that i'd love to have the ability to make a reality - you think i wouldn't want to be able to create my own text sim? so the game sucks. you guys are on the edges of your seats waiting for the next slip up, screw up or fuck up so you have more content.

HA, that GW guy is funny to me in his own right. He could have been posting about BBCF and I would still have had fun trying to decipher his "companies" and stuff. I'm not so much blasting Maximum Football, other than posting in the Maximum Football since it's kinda linked to it.

Nobody forces you to read this thread here you know...

FM

nobody forces anyone to read my posts (you all have the ignore function) but people read them anyway and then get their nipples all pointy when they read something they don't like. and i'm the bad guy.

what I meant is you made your point known, you too could move on and let people have their fun here, heh...

FM

I don't like your analogy at all. A woman's nipples don't get pointy when they are angry. They get pointy when they are aroused or cold. So you already confused me.

You sure about that? Damn, I was all ready to get my wife all angry the minute I'd walk in the house, kind of in hope of seeing the pointy nipple thing... Back to square one...

FM

I agree with HA.

Except for the nipples analogy... which I don't quite get...

I just thought it was a cold breeze blowing through the thread...

Stop! The last thing I want to imagine SkyDog say is, "Hey look guys, my nipples are getting pointy!" and then get all giggly.

LOL!

So wait, I'm not sure if I've deciphered it properly. This guy wants to start a company where he has a bunch of computers, and people are paying him to play FB Pro '98 (or M-F if he can install it) on them against each other? Can't people already do this for free from the comfort of their own homes?

Actually, her nippes do get a little pointy when she's angry. Also, she gets this flush on her inner thi...





































I think I've said too much.

no no, keep going, you know her better than I do! :eek:

:p

FM

no no, the best evil plan announced quite loudly.

i was gonna say "get your nipples all in a tizzy" but, i don't use that word in my everyday language so i didn't want to start now.

If I may digress...

We were watching Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire on DVD last night, and Ron's getting all pissy about something, and Hermione says to him:

"What's got your wand in a knot?"

And I thought maybe I might need to add this to my everyday language.

uh, yeah.

GWsFBAStartOct292006
Matrix Trooper





Posts: 47
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You know when I posted that I really thought so; however, now all I would need (that was not backed-up) is the playoff explanation to be used as a template for creating a more easier distrubited copy. The computer file was way too large to move between computers, except for CD-Roms and no one opens CD-Roms unless they know more. So I am thinking of doing science project type of thing. I have the materials.

OK, I want to see some pointy nipples... Pix pls...

I think GWsFBAStartOct292006 is the guy that translates Japanese video games into Engrish...his vocabulary has that "All your base are belong to us" feel to them.

I was thinking exactly the same thing. That has got to be written thru a translator!

This guy just doesn't realize that teleportation of players is actually a game feature.

I wish they had a video of this one (sounds hillarious). I should note, I've only seen one person report this issue:

I'm either tired because its late, or this was really funny. :)

I broke down and spent $40 on a game last night. Of course it was MLB 06: The Show and not Maximum Football.

This sounds so much like the vibrating electric football game, it's scary.

LOL! I read the start of the post "I broke down and spent $40" then immediately stopped to make a double check on who the poster was cause I was sure I'd seen your name there but now you had me doubting my eyes, then read the rest of your post :)

FM

It looks like they are making some progress over at Matrix....or not:
ZOMG, they got a ways to go!

I think they need to change the name from Maximum Football to Maximum Sport that vaguely resembles Football

Each of this guy's quotes has me in stitches. It is almost like he has a random sentence generator.

He is the gamers equivalent of Oswald Bates from 'In Living Color'

Why does David rub me the wrong way? I am not quite sure. I really want to see how this game turns out when all the patches are done, but it seems he has his mind set on how his believes the game should be built. He seems to dislike when someone mentions "NFL play" as illustrated in these two threads.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1082348
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1080798

Since he designed the game to be played with American, Canadian and indoor rules, I don't quite understand why he has a problem with implementing these items in the game.


And this framerate issue is bothering me even more. Why should it affect the height and distance of a field goal?
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1082449

Ok. This is the first thing that has made me laugh in this entire thread. This guy is a genius. He makes jbmagic read like Shakespeare.

Because terms like "usability lab" and "what the people want" are completely foreign to him?

Hmm.. I don't know.. Probably because he has absolutely no people skills whatsoever?

I'm sorry but, for me, American Football Rules is synonymous with what the NFL does. He just seems to have this extreme beef against the NFL for whatever reason. It's the equivalent of designing a racing game and featuring Open Wheel racing and Stock Car racing with only road courses. Someone says, what about oval tracks and then responding.. "Well.. thats NASCAR specific"

*shrug* Oh well.

He keeps saying "define NFL rules" and making statements that the game doesn't understand NFL specific rules, there is a just a generic rule set out there. Then he goes into detail how the game follows the CFL rules for events. That doesn't make much sense, it appears he's contradicting himself. If the game was supposed to model CFL, Indoor, and NFL, he seems to be putting the kibosh on accurately modeling the NFL.

WOW. just WOW. so basically he's saying that there is no "NFL ruleset" coded into the game? that there are certain NFL rules that the game won't customize to accept.

that's quite a strange choice, and seems like it would turn off a large portion of his potential customers

heh. BTW, we are less then one page frombeing the first 3,000 post topic in recent FOFC history. we can't let it die now! Just think, the magical 3,000 barrier, guaranteed hall of fame.. :D

Just a random possibility that just crossed my mind: You think maybe at some point he approached the NFL about licensing or some such and found out that they aren't the easiest (or cheapest) people on earth to deal with?

I don't know. I just get the feeling that he had no interest in catering to American-style football at all. I just think that was just thrown in at the last minute to try to appeal to more people.

He mentioned in a previous interview that he would get frustrated as a CFL fan trying to find a game that played the football that he wanted to play. So I think that there might be just some general anti-NFL bias there. This may be his way of thumbing his nose at the millions of people whose version of football kept pushing his off the front page of the sports section as he was growing up.

One could argue, of course, that those millions of people represent millions of potential customers. But I don't think that Daid cares. And that's one thing that I really respect about him--he has not tried to sell this as a game for all people. He has been quick to pull out the "This game may not be for you" card. First to the text simmers and now to NFL fans. I respect it when a company is willing to be honest about the product that it is providing--both in strength and limitation. And one cannot say that WinterValley has not been honest about what the game is not going to be able to do in version 1. (other than the normal puffery about "Maximum Customizability," which is totally expected. Getting upset because the game has not, in fact, reached the theoretical limits of customization is like getting upset because your fabric softener was not, in fact, as fresh as a spring rain. One has to expect tag lines to be more memorable and enticing than true.) I've poked enough fun at MF here. But I want to give them props on something that I think that they have done well.

Missed a few dozen pages.... but has anyone on FOFC bought the game?

Daivd's disdain for the NFL (and likely for most things American) is very, very obvious, from his interviews to his message board postings. It appears to be deeply ingrained.

Interesting post, but I don't think honesty is one of his best traits. When it is adverstised as having rules for American, Canadian and indoor rules, one could expect that it will encompass all and not a few things.

If you have been following him over the years, you would realize that he has promised a number of release dates that never happened. Then he took off for a year to make a career mode. He didn't mention what his version of career mode had until someone called him out on it (He wasn't forthcoming with this information and that still falls into the category of dishonesty).

With all that said, the reason why I am bothered he doesn't want to consider the input that others are asking of him that purchased the game. Even if you read further into that thread, the rule goes for all levels of American football, so it is not strictly an NFL rule. If you are going to advertise American football for your game, you better have the American rules. I was just as upset when I found out TPF didn't have onside kicks and 2-pt conversions. It made no sense to me and Arlie changed this with a patch.

I believe there have been 3 or 4 people that have purchased it. 2 of them are new posters.

He also mentioned being tired of playing Football with players he'd never heard of. That's fine, I'm sure there are some ardent fans of Australian Baseball, Vanuatu soccer, or Bolivian rugby, but it's outrageous to even intimate that this game was designed to sim the Amercian game (college or pro) when it clearly wasn't, and the developer doesn't like or understand it. Given the field goal issue, it looks like he might not clearly understand the Canadian rules either though.

I disagree, and it's just the legal side of fraud how this game has been marketed to sim a style of football which clearly doesn't exist in the game. The fact that they have been so careful in their descriptions, and how customization allows pseudo-non CFL rules emphasises the deliberateness of it all.

If they wanted to sell a CFL game fine, but this is supposed to be a game which handles American, Canadian and indoor, where it clearly doesn't. The Rouge is an option and the rules are mostly Canadian based. It's a little like marketing a soccer game and claiming it handles all form of soccer, yet it's just an MLS sim with the option to turn off shootouts, with the answer to every question questioning missing league is "it's a generic sim and knows nothing about Serie A."

Making a CFL game is one thing, subsidizing your CFL game by pretending it's something else is disgraceful.

And the other two were his mom and his mother-in-law.

Some would think it may be Loren, but the courier font is throwing me off.

Hey!!!! Look, it wasn't a proud moment.

dola: I think I keep checking this thread in hopes that I see that the original release was some sort of practical joke and real product is now available for download.

Wow! The thread that I posted earlier got even worse when they talked about the American rules:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1082348

Yeah, the "American rules" aspect seems to be something Matrix kind of forced on David when they entered the picture.

That's what he makes it sound like, but that is far from the truth. When I found out about this game years ago, his own website shown that it can play American, Candian and Indoor football. In fact, it is still there. If you even check out his forum, he has screenshots dating back to a few years.

Well......that was certainly idiotic. Makes you wonder how well Daivd knows the rules of the game. Even if he is a CFL whore, you would think since American football is so popular...and a large percentage of his game's fanbase would probably follow the American game rather than the CFL, he would at least familiarize himself with the rules, especially in something as important as LOS placement.

It's apparent from Daivid's posts that the American rules for Maiximum Football were simply CFL rules on a 100 yard field with 11 players and 4 downs to go 10 yards. He said as much in his post.

Agreed. Many of his buyers are coming from Football Pro '98. You know, that NFL game.

World Mustache and Beard Championships

WOW :eek:

Was eating some popcorn tonight, so naturally I came back here...

David's Comment in the thread Antmeister Linked:
"At the moment, the game is just given a selection of rules to enforce and it really has no concept of what are NFL/CFL/XFL/Indoor/etc... 'rules'."

David's Maximum Football Website:
"Use Indoor, outdoor, Canadian, or American rules, or any combination thereof."

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Canadian amateur football spots at the 20-yard line any missed field goal attempt returned by the defense out of the endzone but short of the 20-yard line.

Yeah, I guess given his history this makes a lot more sense than my comment.

I would like to direct your attention to some trolling that I'm proud of:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm...&key=&#1082124

3000 posts in this thread! :eek: