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Chief Rum 04-28-2020 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmae (Post 3278027)
unvote RendeR

vote henry296


Unwarranted vote switches without explanation strike me as being off. Why did you switch from Render to henry?

timmae 04-28-2020 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 3278036)
Unwarranted vote switches without explanation strike me as being off. Why did you switch from Render to henry?


Chief, you know better... I have my reasons. Let's see how this unfolds. Lot's to learn yet. Let's just say my vote on RendeR was going nowhere for a bit and the other voter on him was just an initial throw in vote by his better half. Some movement after jumping off RendeR may be telling. Maybe not. We'll see.

Chief Rum 04-28-2020 04:54 PM

I'll let it sit for now, but that's not really an explanation. It's also a second vote on someone whose first vote came from Autumn, who basically said he picked henry out of a hat.

In any case, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for the moment. But you should also know how terrible it looks to drop a vote switch with no explanation.

The only people that know anything right now are baddies.

britrock88 04-28-2020 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmae (Post 3278033)
The Recently Converted Wolf (Has a secret ability that only they will know about) and the Count (can convert a werewolf to a killing machine) seem to be the only roles with a dynamic that may be able to kill without a lynch. Not sure what the converted wolf ability would be so maybe not something that kills. Also not sure what a Killing Machine is.


I don't know either, but I do know it's that much scarier when you capitalize it into being a Killing Machine. :D

britrock88 04-28-2020 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3270397)
Roles (possible)
Doctor - Can heal a fellow wolf who was attacked.

Town Watch - Will watch over a player to see if any action was performed by that player, or against that player.

Brutal - If attacked, there is a 50% chance of also killing the attacker.

Wise Wolf - Can perform a seer ceremony to discover the true nature of their target.

Vanilla Wolf - Average werewolf.

Recently Converted Wolf - There maker is still around and will be converted back to a villager if their maker dies at the hands of the village. Has a secret ability that only they will know about.

Villager Seeking Revenge - Had a loved one killed by a werewolf and wants revenge. If taken out by a wolf will fire off a silver bullet at a target to eliminate them as well.

Vanilla Villager - Part of the villager team.

Contained Wolf - A villager who was scratched by a werewolf as a child but never turned, has werewolf DNA and will scan as a wolf.

The Count - Leader of the Vampires; chased from his home many miles away and had to choose this town to settle in. Can convert a werewolf to a killing machine.

Vanilla Vampire - Your average every day vampire.


Some interesting roles in here. Everything's a little confusing because of the reversal of villager/wolf dynamics.

The wolf roles have either been explained or make sense enough. As for the baddies...

The Vengeful Villager (EF, not sure how you missed that opportunity ;) ) appears to be a brutal. The Vanilla Villager is ... vanilla. There is no hint as to what the Villagers' actions might include.

The Count has a conversion mechanic, like a cult leader. Any converted wolf (cultist) would appear to be super-powerful. No clues as to any ability a Vanilla Vampire might have.

So, reading through this, I'm not sure how powerful the bad-guy teams are...

Telle 04-28-2020 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 3278042)
I'll let it sit for now, but that's not really an explanation. It's also a second vote on someone whose first vote came from Autumn, who basically said he picked henry out of a hat.

In any case, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for the moment. But you should also know how terrible it looks to drop a vote switch with no explanation.

The only people that know anything right now are baddies.


So you're one of the ones who has voted for the no-show, which is almost a meaningless vote, and yet you're actively criticizing someone else's vote that doesn't have much of an explanation behind it. Being overly suspicious like that can be an attempt from a "bad guy" to steer the voting away from another "bad guy".

Chief Rum 04-28-2020 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 3278077)
So you're one of the ones who has voted for the no-show, which is almost a meaningless vote, and yet you're actively criticizing someone else's vote that doesn't have much of an explanation behind it. Being overly suspicious like that can be an attempt from a "bad guy" to steer the voting away from another "bad guy".


It provides us with information about a role we may not end up having (if he has one) and removes an inactive player from the game.

You know there is good reason for the vote. Plenty more sound than any other reason I have seen so far. Or no reason at all, like you and timmae.

henry296 04-28-2020 07:23 PM

Vote Bhlloy

timmae 04-28-2020 07:24 PM

Ok... getting a bit late as I am away from my phone for a few hours. Here are my thoughts in case I am not here to defend myself tomorrow (forgive my typing as I am on my phone);

Likes - autumn as his entrance and subsequent posts seemed truthful, henry joking about wolf but good guy, britrock seemed fine with being a contrarian, render sounding ok

Not a huge fan of; Chief not diggin into to much detail, telle exposing she is vanilla wolf so that baddies can hunt elsewhere

Neither good nor bad; goldeneagle hasnt provide much, lonestar hasnt said much. Bhlloy has nothing.

Baddies at this point... chief, telle, GE and lonestar. Please note that this could be way off and I could look like an idiot real soon.

timmae 04-28-2020 07:26 PM

Darnit... maybe swap chief and henry now. Arghh.. how I hate thee game!

timmae 04-28-2020 07:27 PM

I probably will leave my vote on henry. We do not want.to vote off a no show tonight. Tomorrow night is a different story.

GoldenEagle 04-28-2020 07:30 PM

VOTE bhlloy

I just can't vote for anyone else at this point. I think some of the movement and early votes can still provide us information down the road.

I am willing to change this vote if he checks in.

Plus, you never know, we may get really lucky and hit a villager.

Chief Rum 04-28-2020 07:46 PM

A runaway vote on bhlloy doesn't give us much voting information to go on. And I would prefer to have that info over what we gain from killing off an inactive player.


UNVOTE BHLLOY


VOTE HENRY296

Chief Rum 04-28-2020 07:47 PM

Unless my math is off, that creates a tie.

Telle 04-28-2020 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 3278087)
A runaway vote on bhlloy doesn't give us much voting information to go on. And I would prefer to have that info over what we gain from killing off an inactive player.
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That's what I've been saying. And it's not unlikely that EF will figure out what to do with an inactive player so that we don't waste game time doing it ourselves.

And yes, Chief's vote switch to henry296 creates a tie. Three have not yet voted: LoneStarGirl, RendeR, and bhlloy (of course)

RendeR 04-28-2020 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle (Post 3278085)
VOTE bhlloy

I just can't vote for anyone else at this point. I think some of the movement and early votes can still provide us information down the road.

I am willing to change this vote if he checks in.

Plus, you never know, we may get really lucky and hit a villager.


I'm going to agree with this thought process for the time being. Its the best we have to work with without losing someone whose at least here and active.


VOTE BHLLOY

Autumn 04-28-2020 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmae (Post 3278033)
The Recently Converted Wolf (Has a secret ability that only they will know about) and the Count (can convert a werewolf to a killing machine) seem to be the only roles with a dynamic that may be able to kill without a lynch. Not sure what the converted wolf ability would be so maybe not something that kills. Also not sure what a Killing Machine is.


Sorry just getting back on and catching up ...

I assume that though the bad guys are villagers in this game, they still will have a night kill. It would be quite a change if there is no regular bad guy kill in the game, or that the vampire has one but the villagers don't.

Killing machine ... no real idea. Two kills in a game this small seems like it would be too powerful. Maybe can get a kill even if the person is protected?

Autumn 04-28-2020 08:12 PM

i don't have a vote count but sounds like bhlloy is in the lead by one vote. Has anyone not voted yet?

RendeR 04-28-2020 08:13 PM

Lonestargirl and bhlloy

GoldenEagle 04-28-2020 08:13 PM

That would be an interesting twist that villagers couldn’t make night kills but had some other kill mechanisms.

Autumn 04-28-2020 08:15 PM

actually rereading, sounds like LSG and bhlloy (of course, duh) are missing votes still.

I don't like to vote no-shows for the reason Telle and now Chief have said, that it limits our information and gives an easy vote to the bad guys if the no-show is not one of them. So I will stick on Henry for now. Henry didn't do himself any favors by showing up and voting bhlloy without explanation. Maybe just saving his neck, but you still need to put the work in.

Telle 04-28-2020 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 3278099)
i don't have a vote count but sounds like bhlloy is in the lead by one vote. Has anyone not voted yet?


Yes, bhlloy is in the lead by one vote with henry296 in second. LoneStarGirl and bhlloy have not yet voted, and I have the lone vote on RendeR.

I'm thinking of switching to henry296 since obviously nobody else is interested in voting for RendeR, but that puts us into a tie, at least temporarily.

GoldenEagle 04-28-2020 08:16 PM

It seems like LSG is waiting to vote which is note worthy.

Autumn 04-28-2020 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 3278104)
Yes, bhlloy is in the lead by one vote with henry296 in second. LoneStarGirl and bhlloy have not yet voted, and I have the lone vote on RendeR.

I'm thinking of switching to henry296 since obviously nobody else is interested in voting for RendeR, but that puts us into a tie, at least temporarily.


Do you have an argument for voting RendeR?

LoneStarGirl 04-28-2020 08:19 PM

I thought I voted earlier but I forgot the whole bold thing

Vote bhlloy

henry296 04-28-2020 08:21 PM

I made that vote for the same reason I stated earlier. Essentially right now we really have a game with 9 people and if we vote someone else off besides bhlloy it is down to 8. Since he can't post to provide information, I think we should kill him to get information.

Autumn 04-28-2020 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl (Post 3278107)
I thought I voted earlier but I forgot the whole bold thing

Vote bhlloy


I don't see an earlier vote post from you, just one with you saying you will vote him later if he doesn't show up.

RendeR 04-28-2020 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 3278106)
Do you have an argument for voting RendeR?


She's married to me....nuff said LOL

Telle 04-28-2020 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 3278111)
She's married to me....nuff said LOL


Starting to question that decision. It's ruining werewolf for me :)

Telle 04-28-2020 08:32 PM

I'm really against voting for the inactive player, for reasons I've stated multiple times. In an effort to prevent him from being the lynch, I'm moving my vote to henry296. This still leaves bhlloy in the lead with one vote, though.

unvote RendeR

vote henry296

RendeR 04-28-2020 08:34 PM

so its even again.....

RendeR 04-28-2020 08:35 PM

err no bhlloy is ahead 5-4 right?

Chief Rum 04-28-2020 08:36 PM

I don't think so. I think bhlloy has 5 votes and henry 4

Telle 04-28-2020 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 3278117)
I don't think so. I think bhlloy has 5 votes and henry 4


Correct. And I really question the thinking of the five people with votes on bhlloy. I've already explained my thoughts on that extensively. If bhlloy comes back being a good guy, his voters are doubly suspect for not only voting for a good guy but also defying logic.

RendeR 04-28-2020 08:42 PM

How is it logical go go after and lower the number of active players in such a small game when an inactive still gives us information but doesn't really hurt anything?

We at least learn what isn't in the game without damaging the active player base on, lets face it, a pretty shot in the dark day 1 vote.

lowering our available sources of input on day 1 is the illogical choice here.

britrock88 04-28-2020 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3278023)
As of post 90:

RendeR 2 - Telle (61), timmae (71)
bhlloy 2 - britrock88 (81), Chief Rum (87)
henry296 1 - Autumn (82)

Yet to vote: bhlloy, henry296, GoldenEagle, LoneStarGirl, RendeR

Yet to check in: bhlloy


Quote:

Originally Posted by timmae (Post 3278027)
unvote RendeR

vote henry296


bhlloy 2, henry 2, render 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry296 (Post 3278080)
Vote Bhlloy


bhlloy 3, henry 2, render 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle (Post 3278085)
VOTE bhlloy


bhlloy 4, henry 2, render 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 3278087)
UNVOTE BHLLOY


VOTE HENRY296


bhlloy 3, henry 3, render 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 3278097)
VOTE BHLLOY


bhlloy 4, henry 3, render 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl (Post 3278107)
Vote bhlloy


bhlloy 5, henry 3, render 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 3278114)
unvote RendeR

vote henry296


bhlloy 5, henry 4

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All this puts bhlloy in a position to vote to tie it up. Are we settling on henry as the only other option at this point?

Telle 04-28-2020 08:47 PM

I've already explained it multiple times. Maybe you should begin reading things thoroughly in this game.

1. If everyone just jumps on the inactive person then that tells us absolutely nothing. We've essentially lost a day of voting and the analysis it can provide.

2. We don't know if EF has a plan/mechanism for handling the inactive player. If he does, it's likely to be a much more balanced outcome than us blindly voting the player out.

Telle 04-28-2020 08:49 PM

Forgot to quote RendeR on that response. To be clear, my #137 is in direct response to his #135.

GoldenEagle 04-28-2020 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by britrock88 (Post 3278123)
All this puts bhlloy in a position to vote to tie it up. Are we settling on henry as the only other option at this point?


I don’t think that glvote is walking through the door.

Telle 04-28-2020 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by britrock88 (Post 3278123)
All this puts bhlloy in a position to vote to tie it up. Are we settling on henry as the only other option at this point?


I'm open to options but we're running out of time. I'm still good with voting for RendeR :)

GoldenEagle 04-28-2020 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 3278124)
I've already explained it multiple times. Maybe you should begin reading things thoroughly in this game.

1. If everyone just jumps on the inactive person then that tells us absolutely nothing. We've essentially lost a day of voting and the analysis it can provide.

2. We don't know if EF has a plan/mechanism for handling the inactive player. If he does, it's likely to be a much more balanced outcome than us blindly voting the player out.


We still have roughly a 10% chance of hitting a villager and that’s not nothing.

britrock88 04-28-2020 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 3278127)
I'm open to options but we're running out of time. I'm still good with voting for RendeR :)


Let's make it funky!

UNVOTE bhlloy
VOTE RendeR

RendeR 04-28-2020 08:53 PM

Its s day 1 vote, there is no voting analysis there. Day one we have nothing to go on, like ever.

You believe its likely to be a more balanced outcome, thats pure speculation on your part, there is no logic in that belief, no evidence to support it.

the Facts we have:

Day 1 vote, we know absolutely nothing about anyone specific.
We have 10 players, almost all with roles of some sort.
1 inactive player, with no input at all, so nothing is lost if we vote them off.
We gain the knowledge of their role so we know going forward what NOT to worry about.

Nothing speculative there. Flat facts.

For the whole group, the safest route is learning as much as we can without taking away from the group as a whole.

RendeR 04-28-2020 08:54 PM

ugh, sorry folks, was responding to Telle's 2 point "logic"

Telle 04-28-2020 08:55 PM

It is NOT true that we don't know anything day 1. Yes the good guys don't know anything, but the bad guys DO. A retrospective analysis can be very useful. If everyone bandwagons on the inactive player we completely lose that.

unvote henry296
vote RendeR

britrock88 04-28-2020 08:56 PM

As of #143:

bhlloy 4 (henry, GE, render, LSG)
henry 4 (autumn, timmae, CR, telle)
render 1 (britrock)

LoneStarGirl 04-28-2020 08:56 PM

Are we at a tie now? I see what Telle is saying but what are the odds of Bhlloy magically appearing tomorrow to play??

Telle 04-28-2020 08:57 PM

As of #145:

bhlloy 4 (henry, GE, render, LSG)
henry 3 (autumn, timmae, CR)
render 2 (britrock, telle)

britrock88 04-28-2020 08:57 PM

As of #146:

bhlloy 4 (henry, GE, render, LSG)
henry 3 (autumn, timmae, CR)
render 2 (britrock, telle)

GoldenEagle 04-28-2020 08:57 PM

Wait, what’s the vote count?


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