Take out Clinton because I agree. I don't believe McCain or Romney or Obama's kids were cracked on this badly or even at all. They are supposed to be off limits. They weren't with her.

It isn't her fault. It just demonstrates how her philosophy is not the answer. Her own daughter has said that abstinence is unrealistic. In other words, she should stop wasting people's time claiming that is a solution.


It is one thing to want a cure for autism, and it is another thing to be so ignorant about the science that you can't tell what research helps and what does not. She appears to live in a world that doesn't care about facts.


What personal attacks? Being made fun of by comedians?


Ok.

Give me a break. Every politician puts his kids out there when they campaign. The difference is that her kids weren't following her politics but hmm, I don't recall Cheney's or Reagen's homosexual children getting this kind of abuse especially as kids. I don't recall the sluttish alcoholic Bush girls getting this kind of abuse. Now we crack on handicapped kids.

It's hypocrisy at it's highest and 100% unnecessary at this point in time. It's assholish to the extreme and again, an indicator of the tone of the party which pretty much reminds me how assholish the Republicans got when they got a majority that was supposedly permanent.

[quote=Tekneek;2064201]It isn't her fault. It just demonstrates how her philosophy is not the answer. Her own daughter has said that abstinence is unrealistic. In other words, she should stop wasting people's time claiming that is a solution. [quote]

I think I know why you don't realize what's going on.


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So abstinence is against science? I never knew that. Better not tell Isaac Newton. Dude invented a lot of shit. I guess he had no handle on science.

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That unscientific bastard.

If any of your political views are immediately refuted by something that is happening within your own family, pointing that out is fair. I'm not sure what else was attacked by legitimate media, but I am willing to read about it/look into it if you want to show it to me.

This quote from Todd Purdum sums up Sarah Palin and who she appeals to...

"Palin has shown herself to have remarkable gut instincts about raw politics, and she has seen openings where others did not,” writes Purdum. “And she has the good fortune to have traction within a political party that is bereft of strong leadership, and whose rank and file often demands qualities other than knowledge, experience, and an understanding that facts are, as John Adams said, stubborn things.”

What the hell are you talking about? Who cracked on her handicapped kid? Palin mentioned that in her speech, but I've never heard it, not from Democrats, Late Night comedians, or anyone.

And if you don't think the the late night comedians cracked about the Bush twins, you must have not been watching late night TV during that period.

And I don't know why you lumped in homosexual children in with "sluttish, alcoholic" behavior as if somehow that was equivalent, but the only people to attack Cheney's daughter were Republicans, such as Alan Keyes.


So late night comedians = the party?

Did you bump your head on something? The part about autism was separate from the part about abstinence. Since it wasn't clear enough for you the first time, now you know.

The facts out there easily demonstrate that people, of all ages, need to know about more ways to prevent pregnancy than abstinence. Abstinence would be just one of many tools in that area, not the single answer.

Found this quickly. NBC is a legitimate media outlet right?


Think this is fair?



I agree with this and I'm not a Palin supporter but wrong is wrong and I've noticed attacks like Letterman and the joke above that are beyond the pale.

Fair enough. I did misread what you said. I was wrong. You still haven't pointed out that you wrong by saying Bristol thought abstinence was unrealistic instead of Levi.

NBC may be legitimate media, but SNL is a comedy show. If your claim that the media is after her family is based on comedians, you've got a very weak point.

I will admit this. I did not record the video interview where I watched and heard her say it. That's as far as I am going on that one. Of course, it doesn't matter much what she says. Her actions speak much more loudly.

Give me a break. I'm not lumping them together as anything except what people like to attack. No judgement involved. I have nothing against hot sluts and/or homosexuals but I don't live under a rock and realize, as you pointed out, that these behaviors get attacked. Period. Read into it how you like.


I'd say yes, just like the democrats have said that Rush Limbaugh is the leader of the republican party. Again, can't have it both ways here.

Actually, the whole point of the SNL skit was to make fun of the media's overly negative coverage of Palin and her family, not Sarah Palin herself.

Then no more Rush Limbaugh jokes right? I mean, as he's said, he's just an entertainer.

So you admit you can't prove it but you're still really right. Great admission there hotshot.

This christmas I'll get you a loom. Surely it will help with your spinning.

Let me know when the DNC Chairman and several elected Democrats defer to Letterman or Conan and apologize for criticizing them.

I don't think I've ranted about Rush Limbaugh. At least, I don't remember doing it. He's just a radio guy. I see no reason to care about what he thinks or does. If he tries to state something as fact, when it is not, then at least understanding that he is wrong could be important knowledge for everyone to have. Calling him evil because he is a radio guy who has to fill a few hours everyday with something people are willing to listen to would be a bit of a leap. People obviously do not tune in, day after day, to listen to 3 hours full of nothing but facts. They find that boring.

Just as good as your claims up to this point, I figure.

That was the point of the skit. You can put blinders on and pretend that SNL was actually calling Todd Palin a pedophile, but that's not what happened.

Does it really take 2 glasses of wine to quiet a 3 month old? My kid is 16, so it's been a while...

"According to expense reports, Sarah Palin charged the state of Alaska over $21,000 for her children to travel with her on official business. In fairness to Governor Palin, when she leaves them home alone, they get pregnant." --Seth Meyers

"Speaking of Sarah Palin, she said she's a life-long member of the National Rifle Association. Which may explain why she's in favor of shotgun weddings." --Conan O'Brien


"You know who is really, really happy that John McCain did not win last night? The boyfriend of Sarah Palin's daughter. He doesn't have to get married now. 'Whew, thank God!'" --Jay Leno


"A lot of speculation about Sarah Palin's future, but last night, she denied rumors that she's getting ready to run for president in 2012. Palin said, 'That's a long time away. I'll be a great-grandmother by then.'" --Conan O'Brien

Until then, you'll remain a hypocrite. I get that.

Calling him evil?

Thanks for demonstrating two things:

1) Leno sucks

2) More than just Letterman made these jokes, but Palin oddly focused only on him.

[quote=larrymcg421;2064227]That was the point of the skit. You can put blinders on and pretend that SNL was actually calling Todd Palin a pedophile, but that's not what happened.[/QUOTE

And you can wear blinders and think that if there weren't jokes about young Palin's sexuality that they'd have ever made that joke.

But come on here, we're talking character assassination not fact finding. No one of any party telling jokes about other parties have been actually accusing them of the action. They're all just telling jokes. You can't seriously believe otherwise. Geez.

Oh noes!!!! He went for the I know I am but so are you joke. I'm doomed. Doomed I tell you.

SIGH.

Which are two distinct facts that I don't agree with you on at all but of course are not part of this discussion.

Yeah, some people try to work that angle. In general, I don't care too much what entertainers think of anything.

Other than SNL did someone else (even accidentally) imply that her 14 year old was sleeping with a grown man?

The ballplayer ought to have raised hell about Letterman, probably even more than anybody in Palin's camp.

Personally I don't either but I do think that they influence a lot of people who don't have as much time as I do to surf the web all day and get several different opinions and versions of the news to realize that the truth doesn't necessarily spring from their mouths, especially the pseudo news guys like limbaugh, the daily show ect. I didn't like it when Limbaugh did it I'll be damned if I'll like when the left does it. I'll like it less, I'm on their side.

Axxon, if it will make you feel better, I will admit that she was an easy target for comedians and they really went for it. It's important to note that most of them probably didn't even know who she was until she accepted the VP slot for the GOP ticket, which means she thrust herself into that scene. It isn't her fault, but she could have stayed in Alaska and never been forced to deal with it. Do we now add "hopelessly naive" to her list of traits?

Unless the ballplayer was Luis Polonia of course.

I agree with all of this. This all started because I thought she may have possibly decided to remove herself from public life to spare herself and her family more of this. Are you willing to concede that? No problem if you aren't. We can agree to disagree on it. It's not that important. :)

Rush Limbaugh is called the leader of the Republican party because Republican party leaders have actually apologized for criticizing them after getting flooded with tons of hate mail from Limbaugh followers. Nothing like that has happened with the late night hosts and you know it. If you just want to ignore those facts so you can make your argument, that's perfectly fine, but it makes you look like a dumbass when you call someone a hypocrite after they noted the clear differences between the two situations.

So at what point do some of you figure out the obvious?

Namely, that the old joke about "50,000 X at the bottom of the sea = a good start" isn't really meant to be all that funny? Or that if you're being charged by Opposition Politician X, Osama bin Laden, and an angry rhino but you only have two bullets, the correct response is to shoot Opp Pol X twice. We aren't really kidding when we say that you know.

Indeed. In that instance all bets are off.

Dola, I 100% believe she was hopelessly naive ( maybe hopefully is a better word since I think that's the constituency she was selected to appeal to and she did ) but I don't think she'd have been chosen if she wasn't.

I didn't say anything about her character. I was making fun of her speech, which was terrible. I don't mind a good sports metaphor. I use them all the time. I was making fun of the fact that she botched the one she used, and then threw in several other cliches/metaphors along the way.

No, I'm saying I've heard this particular mantra for years. I know some people who seriously wanted him to and believed he would run for president in 2000. Rush has been one of the strongest speakers for the republican party for years unlike any democrats except Al Frankin ( and lookie what he did )and I feel that it's hypocritical to ignore that and assume this only happened overnight.

Gotcha. Noted.

Bush's daughters got media and comedy attention for drinking. Chelsea would have gotten negative press/jokes if she got in trouble as a late teen. Late teens getting in trouble = fair game for press reporting and comedians. That is the way it is, even if that is unfortunate, and Palin and Bristol did not get special treatment.

Bush got just as much negative attention for his blunders as Palin did.

Clinton and Edwards got jokes/press over their expensive haircuts just as Palin got attention over her wardrobe.

I am sorry, but where in the hell is the special character assassination that Palin went through? At worst, she got a strong magnifying glass because she came out of nowhere into Presidential level politics. But what she was criticized for and made fun of for was absolutely nothing unusual.

I don't believe the Bush girls got that much negative press and I clearly don't remember anyone suggesting Bush slept with either of them. That's garbage.

The last family member who took it in the shorts this badly was Billy and he was a grown man and had a sense of humor about it.

I remember the Chelsea = ugly jokes....

I thought that they were the news though and not jokes. Although since she got into college and such I thought she was actually hittable. {shrug}

Eww.

Sure, why not? Ultimately, I don't really care what she does, as long as it doesn't involve her governing over me.

Blogs are a bad place to get news from IMO.

I wasn't getting news from it. I was just contributing it to the conversation.

You know...they report, you decide.

Lettuce not overreact to the Iceberg scandal.