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Saw a guy out interviewing Trump supporters about the indictment. Nothing shocking or even remotely surprising. None of those interviewed had read the indictment. And they said that the accusations they had seen (keeping classified documents in a bathroom, ect) were just too stupid to believe so it has to be a witch hunt as Trump has stated.
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Barely and they couldn’t take the senate because of the horrific maga candidates. The midterms were a massive failure. |
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The gop machine has done a great job framing this case just as him having some documents. Maga isn’t going to do their own research so they take that at face value so equating it to Biden or pence is perfectly logical to them. |
Trump and his legal team got the first bit of discovery from the Special Counsel yesterday and judging by the even more crazy/frantic tweets today. they didn't like what they saw
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Jasck Smith has filed a request to move the trail back to December 11th, to give time for the defense to give defense counsel time to get their security clearance and for both sides to deal with discovery. The discovery the DOJ has turned over so far has some 80+ witnesses and multiple videos and audio recording.
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So somehow CNN has received the audio tape of the discussion Trump had with a staffer and others about General Milley's and the Pentagon's plan to attack Iran:
Exclusive: CNN obtains the tape of Trump's 2021 conversation about classified documents | CNN Politics |
Not the main point I know, but a fascinating peek inside the echo chamber. They really can't go more than 30 seconds or so without talking about Hillary can they?
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Nope they really hate her
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What is also stupid? Having US invasion of Iran plans made by the military doesn't prove Milley was pushing to invade Iran. The military has and regularly updates plans like that, and if Trump had been pushing for an invasion, of course they would have given the Comander and Chief the plans.
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bring some cokes in please...
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This is the equivalent of Trump saying he could shoot someone on 5th ave. He is literally on tape committing a crime. He should be held pending trial, not jet setting around to rallies. Yet the entire GOP is complicit in their silence. He won't see one second in prison.
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Worth noting that multiple people, including recently Jack Teixeira and Reality Winner, were denied bail. Their crimes pale in comparison. |
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You just need one juror or a friendly judge (which he got). But damn, this is about as open and shut a case as you'll ever get. Curious who leaked the audio.
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is that different than the transcript we saw before? Because it's almost the same text |
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Seems the same. Guess more jarring to hear the audio. |
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Have to think its Trump, trying to get the most damning part of the case against him disallowed. |
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I'd assume someone on the Trump team. The tighter this ship is run, the worse for him. He thrives in politics and chaos. The more "OMG did you see this??!!??" that's out there, the better for him. The bigger a circus, the more he's in his element and the DOJ is out of its element. This is where Trump's relationship with the media will help him. They both want the same thing--a circus. As far as the DOJ is concerned, if nothing newsworthy happened outside of filings and testimony, they'd be thrilled. But that will NOT be how it goes. |
It also makes sense in trying to poison the jury pool. I do wonder how in the world they are going to find an impartial jury.
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The new MAGA talking point is claiming it can't be proven that the document is real and he is just waving around a blank piece of paper.
I laugh when talking heads discuss when the AHAH moment will be for MAGAs. There will never be on ever. The damage he has caused will literally last decades. |
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I figured that would be the defense when I initially read about the recording and its contents. It's clear listening to it though that he has the document. With that said, he still broke the law by describing it even if he didn't have the document. |
MAGA are basically using the same argument flat earthers do, which means, unless you can show it to my face, in real time, to prove to me that it's true, then you can't prove it's true.
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Trump doesn't do things wrong. He said so himself.
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Looks like Rudy is trying to strike a deal and get ahead of potential J6 charges. He voluntarily met with Jack Smith's team.
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Trump's lawyers officially ask the judge to delay the documents trial past the 2024 election.
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Looks like Trump has received a "target letter" from Special Counsel Jack Smith about Jan 6:
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Well you can't play golf then, so you gotta do something I guess...
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I wonder if Smith has chosen which parts of the investigation will be tried based on difficulty of prosecution. Like file the docs case in FL, knowing that the facts in the case are pretty cut and dried and it's a simpler process. But J6 in DC or wherever else seems to be a better bet.
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I really think it is false hope putting 2023 in the title
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We can always start a new thread in 2024! Or maybe I can just add a + after 2023. :) |
So I am very curious to hear about other people who got target letters too...
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I get one every december advertising 40% off TVs |
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One of the main points of a target letter is to protect the target--they are kept secret because if the issue can be resolved short of formal charges, then no one even knows you were a suspect. (Also, it does not matter for targets with hired lawyers (like Trump), but a target letter is serious enough that if you are indigent you can get a public defender appointed when you get one. So it is a way to allow formal negotiations to begin prior to charges being brought). Trump--for Trumpy reasons--shouts from the rooftops when he gets one. But most people don't want the world to know that they are the target of serious criminal investigations. |
It was great that so many lawyers turned him down when asked to represent him in the documents case. That needs to happen more. All lawyers need to avoid him. And the ones that keep filinng these awful motions for him need to be disbarred. THe judges need to start penalizing some of these motions.
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Michigan AG charges 16 in the fake electors scheme in that state:
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They won't get close to it but a 14 year prison term is the penalty for these felonies in Michigan. That might make a few of hem give up the Trumpster or his accomplices at least. |
They're all so damn old they'll be dead in half that.
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that never happens. trumpers are severely brain damaged |
Judge Cannon seems to know she has a spotlight on her and likely doesn't want the embarrassment of being removed from the case. It looks like she is going to rule against delaying the trial.
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I'm holding judgement till we actually see what her opinion is. She did just rule against the DOJ request for a protective order on the secret documents because the attorneys haven't conferred. The problem with that is Trump lawyers are refusing to confer when requested. So she is allowing Trump to use delay tactics.
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There, of course, can be additional delays. But this seems like a pretty reasonable order at this point:
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Indefinite delay was always a crazy ask. But a December trial date in a case of this nature was also pretty unreasonable.
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So with a case number of this magnitude I wonder if the trial would even conclude with a verdict in time for the election? It seems like Trump will run anyways unless of course he gets a fed conviction which i thought I heard makes a person ineligible for POTUS. |
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The only conviction that would make him ineligible would be for insurrection. |
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Holy shit what a fucked up country this is. Any felony should eliminate him. |
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Those are the only rules of eligibility for President. You could be in federal prison for capital murder, and still be elected president. |
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“Crooked Joe Biden and the Radical Left Democrats, Fascists, and Marxists.”
Is going to be the name of my new band. |
Make sure you have insane swag ready to sell even before you know how to play instruments
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There has been reporting today that Trump's lawyers are meeting with the Special Counsel today to persuade him to not persecute.
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Very unlikely to succeed. But you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
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It's apparently just a normal thing that happens. He's getting indicted, no question.
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It's probably unlikely he'll ever agree to any kind of plea because the indictment and even a conviction ensures him of millions of more dollars in fundraising/grifting and martyr status amongst his followers, but at this point, I think I'd be willing to entertain an agreement where he's spared any kind of detention if he agrees to never run for any office again for the rest of his life.
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That's certainly the spin. The other way to look at it is he's so dangerous when in a position of power that we'd rather forego putting him in jail than risk him being elected again.
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I wouldn't. I think that: - It's more important, not less, to prosecute people who have power and abuse it. - Trump himself is not the problem from an election standpoint. The problem is his supporters - or arguably, a system that gives them as much power as they have - and that problem doesn't go away if Trump doesn't run. There's nothing stopping another version of him from filling the void. |
I get what you're saying, but Trump is a unique personality and I don't think someone can be as effective simply filling that void by trying to be him. DeSantis can't do it. Josh Hawley or Ted Cruz certainly ain't gonna do it.
I don't disagree with your point - I certainly want him to pay for any crimes he is convicted of. But I'd also not like to see the snowball's chance in hell of him becoming president again. The McConnell thing just illustrates that we're one Biden medical episode in September of 2024 of the entire race suddenly being thrown into chaos. |
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I wish I had the foresight to invest in barricade companies.
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There is going to be another indictment announced today, but it is going to be another charge in the documents case. They are also adding another defendant.
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Obstruction of justice. He ordered an employee to delete camera footage after it had been subpoenaed.
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Two for two this page with zingers, GrantDawg. Quality work!
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MEIN GOTT.
https://twitter.com/metroadlib/statu...93956414640129 Every bit of this is "Hey, we're doing crimes. you ok with doing crimes? Because Trump wants you to do crimes." |
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Also hilarious that Trump--one of the most famously tight-fisted people alive--is going out of his way to pay for lawyers for anyone and everyone in his orbit who might have an incentive to cooperate against him. This is apparently out of the goodness of his heart.
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Haberman dropped a tidbit that he had to ask for something like a 40-60M refund from his PAC to pay for lawyers.
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Grant, I know someone who has been in and around classified documents his whole adult life and worked in the White House when the Clintons were there and just can't stand her. Says she should be in jail for the rest of her life over what she did with the documents.
He was pretty gung-ho for Trump too, but when he was here over the holidays I almost couldn't believe my ears when he called Trump the worst President ever. So some Conservatives can change I guess |
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Some are changing and some are digging in their heels. Luckily, I firmly believe it's not a huge percentage that are digging in their heels. I guess we'll see soon, because only complete morons would vote for Trump at this point, and yes I mean that with my full chest. |
I still say that's not meaningfully more true now than it was in 2016. The gap between 2016 Trump and a decent presidential candidate is far, far greater than the gap between 2016 Trump and 2023 Trump.
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Hold up, I thought he was a multi-billionaire? :D |
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In fairness, you become a multi-billionaire by spending other people's money, not your own. |
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Yup Trump team launching legal defense fund to help pay legal bills |
Sounds like the next indictments might be coming momentarily.
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This is a blatant violation of campaign finance laws. |
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Yeah straight from Trump's mouth: https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/stat...78126958997504 |
It's such a small thing, but I love how Trump always adds "me" to his "your favorite President" line.
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His death would make America better. Do It Trumpy. |
And then the Georgia indictment is still expected in the next few weeks. Is there anything else? It's hard to keep track.
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I think that is it directly on Trump. We'll, except there is still possible indictments in the documents case in other venues.
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Who knows, he might strangle a hooker by then.
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A nice trifecta.
FYI 4 in a row is superfecta. If he wins, the next constitutional crisis will be "can a President pardon himself". |
So what is the likelihood he stalks all these trials and /or gets convicted in a few then gets elected and pardons himself. I am starting to think he cosnsiders a way to get votes on the right. The first NY Times poll came out today and Biden Trump were each at 43 % with 14 % saying they will either vote 3rd party or still not decided. Geez our the Democrats going to screw this up ?
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