Dude... there are at least as many good power roles that will visit players as bad ones...

I appreciate that you alluded to your info by asking me a question earlier. But you had already caught my hint.

What he said... I doubt that was mafia princess's wedding they were all attending.

Heh, despite my indignance, I will join you in putting pressure on Jackal and TBFA...

The game this is based off of starts out with a small group of players and mulitple deaths. Some days there will be 2-3 night kills with villagers having NK abilities, mafia having them, and neutrals having them. You also have so many ways to catch the bag guys like, for example the sheriff and investigator are both seers, the lookout will be able to see people moving about (and if someone visits someone who winds up death it's pretty obvious), you also have like 2 bodyguards, and then the jailor who if you get caught in a lie with him wind up dead.

Bottom line in the actual game Town of Salem if you add lynches on top of 2-3 deaths a night and don't give your seers time to work you wind up with an evil win every time.

It can get bad with the amount of neutrals. If you screw around and end up lynching "good" characters the neutrals will often do their own thing and even when the seer hits you can't get the numbers for a lynch.

There is also the Jestor. The Jestor is actively trying to get lynched because his win condition is to die by hanging. And if you vote for him then he will wind up killing you.

In a game where there could be as many seers as bad guys and twice the number of night kills, it just isn't a great idea to toss around lynches like crazy.

If you look at his ruleset there are 3 mafia, 2 seer types, and a whole bunch of potential killing roles. Blind lynches are bad, but now we have something to go on with the Autumn thing so we should try to flesh that out more and maybe we have a lynch tomorrow.

I get it.. Hate it or like it.. It is done.

Good points. This is not a typical ww game as everybody has power and tons of stuff can happen at night and as stated, at least in the early part of the game, we'll get more information from that than we'd get from guess-lynching. Assuming the soft claims are legit we already have more info than we'd ever get in a standard game at this point and we have a solid group of suspects due to everybody and their dog apparently targeting Autumn so as stated, maybe a lynch will be appropriate tomorrow after we see what mayhem the night brings.

Lol, yes. Poor autumn. How many targets does he have taped to him? How many bugs have been planted on him? How many satellites are tracing his every move??

That would be fun. Everyone in the game (if they are able to target someone with an ability) should all target Autumn tonight. It will be great fun watching EF try to figure it all out.

Well, this gives us a great start, though I assume it includes at least one good role in there. But having a one out of four shot at finding a bad (including Timmae in there with the possibility that he's messing with us) is pretty good. I think tomorrow we should nominate from these three (because I think it's a better bet to assume that Timmae and I are telling the truth). So if you're one of these three, prepare your defense!

A witch and a werewolf doesn't seem likely but nice try.

I spent last night in jail.

Ugh, Central Time!

jeeeeeezus!
that's not good

i thought this is good? mafioso's already dead on the first day

shoveler dying is NOT good.
i wonder if he died because he was an active player or because he was escorting brit and brit was the target.

Trying to figure out who killed shoveler.

If the mafioso was killed by the werewolf BEFORE shoveler died, then it HAD to be the godfather that did it.
right?

also was anyone else doused ?

right. only possible if the last "ANY ROLE" turned out to be a witch. but the plural makes it sound bogus. I agree it sounds made up.

that's around 5% chance

Information:

Blue = claims, red = modconfirmed evil, green = modconfirmed good, brown = modconfirmed neutral
DN = death note info

Roles:
1 Jailor - (Not dubb or autumn) - jailed autumn n1, dubb n2
2 Town Investigative
1 Town Protective
2 Town Support
1 Town Killing
1 Random Town (any role except unique)
1 Godfather - killed shoveler the escort? - DN: uses poetry
1 Mafioso - TFSA - DN: witches are about
1 Random Mafia (any mafia except Godfather and Mafioso)
1 Neutral Benign
1 Neutral Evil - confirmed werewolf
1 Neutral Killing - Arsonist per CF
1 Any (any role except unique)

The living
1) Zinto
2) timmae
3) britrock88 - escorted n2 by shoveler/escort
4) Ragone
6) Chief Rum
7) cheekimonk - blocked by shoveler n1
8) Autumn - jailed n1, attacked n1 in jail
9) Danny
10) The Jackal
12) dubb93 - jailed night 2
13) CrimsonFox - doused night 1
14) lighthousekeeper
15) Ziiggy

The dead
5) TBFA - mafioso (killed by werewolf night 2)
11) Shoveler - escort (killed by mafia night 2)

did I miss anything?

if anyone else was jailed or nearly killed, it would behoove you to come forth

Posts:

Ziiggy 6
cheekimonk 6
Zinto 4
Abe Sargent 3
TBFA 2
Ragone 2
Danny 2

try harder please :P

i'm assuming a jailor can't jail themselves right?

The only jailor I've ever seen claim to jail himself was actually a jestor.

oh yeah what was that thing about people visiting jail? i can't find that.

post 197

hmmmm so what does this mean? jackal/brit can you confirm going to visit jail?
timmae i assume you are claiming something. let me figure out what.
incidently i kinda believe you

sure

vote thejackal

If TBDF was mafia then he probably was the one attacking me on N1. Not to say that clears Jackal and Brit, but I won't necessarily restrict my vote to those guys at this point.

I'd also get rid of the people that aren't posting too.

autumn did it say who or what attacked you?

No, I had no clue to the identity. I just know being in jail made it fail.

The only real order would be escort, consort, transporter and witch actions occurring before any actions which they may interfere with.

The best rule of thumb tends to be, maximum craziness. :)

I've been dealing, and was diagnosed on Monday, with migraines...on top of crazy work week. I'm pretty much caught up but not enough time to contribute yesterday/night. I'll try harder.

oh I get it. Autumn was probably only attacked by the mafioso on night 1.
the werewolf could not attack as the moon was not full and the arsonist was dousing me.

yay :)
:chickendance:

don't mean to sound like a total jerk (only a partial one) but if people don't talk then we can't figure them out.

Migraines suck. Feel better.

I agree:

1) Probably a good choice not to lynch yesterday (although there should have been more discussion...partly my fault), but MUST come together on a lynch before deadline today.

2) Lynch needs to be outside Jackal and brit (as per timmae's logic).

got any ideas?

but jackal is bugging me with his shadiness.

On my catching up after the fact, nothing jumps out at me other than the Jackal/Autumn/TBFA trio (that has since resolved itself). So right now, I would lean toward targeting one of the less active posters. They could have a reason - like me - or they could be staying under the radar. Either way there's a problem. Looking for an "under the radar" person, the poster that sticks out the most to me in that group is Zinto. Just a lean right now.

Hmmm, you posted this as I was finishing my post below. Interesting, from an instinct perspective, that we landed on the same name.

heh well great minds and all that.
he made a hi post then nothing and it just sounded kinda ya know.
but i'd be okay with voting off ragone/Danny both with 0 posts

I should mention that I also don't know a lot about the other posters you listed. But Zinto is most definitely more active, typically.

I'm coming to terms with the fact that brit might be neutral or evil too.
yes I'm good I'll admit it. I'm obviously not evil if you believe me.

er wait....do neutrals or evils now who each other are? i guess not. For a moment I thought so.
but i'm still good

:cool:

I can confirm visiting Autumn. Adding that to Timmae's account that Autumn was jailed (and Autumn's confirmation?), then yep, confirm the whole thing.

This would seem to indicate that Timmae's the jailer.

I missed the part about lynching outside of me/Jackal. Frankly, I'm totally down to put pressure on that duo.

nominate Jackal

I have a town role that can be verified, if you'd like me to reveal

I think timmae's logic was that if TBFA was mafia (confirmed N2), then on N1 Autumn was jailed, targeted by mafia, and "visited" by you and Jackal. We can eliminate either of you being mafia unless they are completely incompetent (2-3 mafia attacking the same target N1...I don't even think that would work with NK order rules). Eliminating the werewolf (it was N1), it's hard to believe another NK role(s) - not being able to communicate with TBFA - would choose the same target. It's possible, but enough to steer me away from you 2 at this point.

We got a mafia last night. That was perfect. With there being a possibility of only being 8 town per the rules I would say we let our roles work another night and fish out the evil rather than potentially hand over one of our own another day. If we do lynch make it one of the inactive since they likely wouldn't even be able to vote anyway. At some point every vote is going to be important and we are going to need everyone that is working in the interest of the town to be able to vote with the town voting bloc.

Vote Danny

He hasn't been active. We can always later vote him innocent if he decides to show up and explain himself.

As per my previously posted logic:

vote Zinto

Well I don’t know much, but think there is not a serial killer in the game, and that there is still uncertainty within the timmae, jackal, britrock group. It’s likely that TBFA, as the Mafioso, (who the WW conveniently whacked) was responsible for both attacks. That doesn’t mean the rest are automatically cleared, but between Jackal’s soft claim, Britrock’s escort alibi, and timmae’s assertions they feel at least partially clear and that’s enough to want to avoid lynching them. Chief, Dubb, Autumn, and CF also appear to be goods hunting, so that leaves Danny, lighthouse, Zinto, and Ragone. So I’m down with a Danny or Zinto nomination. As stated, if that doesn’t seem plausible later we don’t have to actually lynch. So for now I’ll Nominate Zinto.
Ps. I actually work most of the day and am highly distracted trying to write this ;p but will have another window before nomination deadline and check back in.

i'm not sure there are 7 people active enough for a lynch

Sorry guys. Real life has kicked my butt the last two days. I will be more active from here on out.

If we are set on voting out someone who hasn't been active it makes sense to pick between me or Danny. Or whoever else hasn't been around to post much

I know there was talk about not wanting to vote someone out everyday. Are we changing course a bit? Are

I probably won't vote for Jackal. He has been around and I don't think we need to make a decision there today.

Others who have experience with this type of ruleset have said that. So I'm not jumping to vote myself, not without more information anyway.

That is kind of what I was thinking too. It doesn't look like we will get to seven votes before the deadline anyways.

Agree with this. Plus Zinto comes across as genuine, thus towny. Unvote Zinto

Well, dubb, Jackal and brit can move to Zinto now and we'll have a nominee. That doesn't mean Zinto will get lynched as he'd still have to get a majority of those voting yes/no afterwards.

Ok, nevermind.

It still could happen. I am not entirely opposed to it. I would just hope that I would not be voted out based on a day of not being active. Mainly because we need every non-evil person around if we are going to win.

I know you argued, and I agree, that it's dangerous for the town to skip lynches as it puts all the power in others' hands - including evil guys - but offing the mafioso so quickly gives us more room for error.

EDIT: Sorry, it may have been Jackal that said that.

And a counter to at least having someone on the block everyday is that it fosters discussion until deadline and that was lacking yesterday.

Does it seem likely that the Jailor would know who was targeting his captive? I don't think timmae said Autumn was jailed, just that he was visited by 3 people that night.

Yep that was Jackal. I would normally agree with that. It usually doesn't help the village at all when they skip a lynch. In this game type it seems that it has benefits.

Man, that deadline comes quickly.

I like coordinating our moves, but being too open about who we are can make the pickings easy for the godfather and whatever other killers are out there.

Agreed. It has been a struggle to discuss things because I don't want it to be too obvious, but I think it's pretty clear what a number of people are, or at least there's a small window of what roles they could be.

For the record I didn't know Autumn was jailed... he stated such and the evidence seems to point to that but it is not 100% confirmed.

nonevil huh?

Hopefully with a little bit more information from today/tonight and we can be more aggressive in putting someone up for the lynch vote.

Yeah I figured that was the best way to describe all of the baddies in this game

Sorry for another quiet day from me, work is killing me. I agree with not really lynching today anyway, I like the idea of keeping as many good roles around as possible to give us info. I hope to post more as day/game goes on, but we'll see.

riiiiiiiiiiiight, riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. werewolves aren't bad. gotcha mr. neutral.

Yea, well, the werewolf is "neutral evil." He's bad. He's not working with the mafia, but he's working for himself and I would guess his win condition is likely to kill everyone but himself.

Some of the neutral roles will have village friendly, if not entirely straight villager, win conditions. What I'm saying is that in Town of Salem some of the neutral roles will win with the village, some will win with the baddies, and some will win just by themselves.

It's not just going to be straight win with the mafia or win with the village. All of the neutral roles in Town of Salem have a condition that must first be met and then a "win by" following that.

For instance a role that I'm very familiar with from that game is the exe. It's in basically every Town of Salem game you will play as it's a default role. The exe is one that wins on his own. He must first get the town to lynch his target and then he must get himself lynched after that in order to win. He's not working with the town or the mafia.

Many of the killing roles that are in Town of Salem, such as the serial killer (another default role in that game), intentionally work against the mafia and one of their win conditions is to eliminate all of the mafia.

So by itself neutral doesn't mean bad. It depends on the actual role. With only 8 villagers (9 max if we got lucky with random) it probably is not prudent to just cast away all the neutral roles as evil. We will quickly find ourselves outnumbered and lacking key votes when we need them.