My guess, hoping participation picks up soon.

We'll throw a third candidate back into the mix for now, see what happens.

I feel comfortable where I am for now. I would like to hear from CR, and I wonder what, if anything, happened to clap for winning the vote.

I'll offer thoughts on candidates that come up throughout the day but I firmly believe we need to fix the portal, understanding that any portal vote can be painted as an easy way to hide a wolf vote.

The only other thing I have to offer is my bo staff. Who needs a cracked head?

I think we should pay attention to ensure that one player is two votes clear of another player, so that the hidden saboteur vote doesn't cause an unseen tie.

I would think about moving my vote, but that could lead to a 2-2-1 that's actually a 2-2-2. Bad things.

Well, it's early enough that I'd hope we wouldn't have to be worried about that. Unless we're expecting bull moose specials that end voting early. Crazy EF and his mystery games.

Are you there Mr. Coyote?

Yeah I wouldn't worry about that right now.

But like you said we have to make sure we worry about it towards the deadline.

It should be. Autumn should have caught on that I made a controversial vote and then disappeared to work. Not too many wolves do that. Neither do roled villagers. Vanilla villagers trying to rile up some interest on an otherwise Day One might do that, which, in fact, is exactly the case here.

Since Autumn didn't learn that lesson, I'm going to assume he isn't inclined to learn it and has ulterior motives for continuing to vote me.

That should be "otherwise dull Day One", above.

Clearly, you knew we'd know that. And knowing that we'd know that, you did otherwise.

Or perhaps you knew that we'd know you knew we know, and are above suspicion.

And goody. We have, what, 5 people with 1 vote now?

The Captain does not approve. Not at all.

While I can't expect Autumn to know that I was at work (as I didn't offer that up until now), it is pretty clear in the aftermath that I:

1. Made a controversial vote, and
2. Was not around last night after voting

It's fairly reasonable to conclude that a wolf or a roled villager would not do that, or at the very least it would be pretty questionable to assume that person is indeed a wolf and must be worthy of still receiving a vote the next day, when all of this was clear.

It's a long day, and most importantly, the Fix the Portal crowd is in place.

That's getting a little meta-gamey - devil's advocate would say that you didn't feel the vote on Zinto was controversial and didn't think opposition to it would gain traction.

Not saying you're a clear lynch choice, but just sayin'

Or that you hoped if it gathered some momentum, good things might happen, but you can say "oh well I wasn't around, I would have changed it."

I'm not claiming to have found a wolf based on one post. But there are plenty of explanations for that other than "obviously a wolf wouldn't have done this." Anyway, glad to see you back, Chief.

But back to my original question, Chief, which my vote was meant to encourage you to answer - why do you think it is a good idea to vote the Mayor? Because I didn't get that at all.

Not metagamey at all. It is clear that I either was not around or not choosing to respond if I was around. I would guess most would presume I was not around, for whatever reason, rather than not choosing to respond. That's not metagamey, just fact.

We have only one clear roled player (note, not yet saying "villager"), and I voted for him. If someone chooses to not see that as controversial, that's on them, but I am pretty sure all of us would disagree with that person. If someone were to claim that, it would in fact be extremely suspicious (on top of the vote itself).

My reasoning on questioning Autumn at this point of the game is why he would choose to vote me again without choosing to hear from me. When he voted for me last night, he would not have known I would not respond (and thus was clearly not around). Now, he has that info, but he chose to vote me instead of making the logical conclusion I could not have acted the way I had as either a wolf or a roled villager. Since the unroled villager is all we are left to presume, his decision to vote for me anyway is a negative for the village.

Ergo, he is not acting the best interests of the village.

I was unlikely to change it even if I wasn't around. I wanted to know more about the Mayor position. I don't know that the Mayor is automatically a villager. Zinto was the first to be voted, and I believe we have saboteurs from the start. So there was every chance for Zinto to be a saboteur before he got the vote from Danny.

So the Mayor is not necessarily a villager role. It is just a role. I wanted to put pressure on that role, see what Zinto could do.

Oh, and glad to see you here, too, Autumn. :)

Oh, obviously, I was responding to this question in my last post two above me.

That mau vote is interesting.

Well, as I think I said when voting, I voted you today because I had yet to get an answer from you, Chief. Doesn't mean that I was going to refuse to move off of you, just gets a vote out on the table until we get some info from you.

My question is, yes, of course Zinto could be a bad guy. But if you suspect that he has the power to Duke, as you said in your vote post, why would putting votes on him be a good idea? It sounded like you were saying if we forced him to use his power we would find something out. but we already know for certain that he's the Mayor, we just don't know what that means or if he's good. i don't see the advantage of putting pressure on someone who may be bad, and have the power to change the vote.

This post made me tingle a little, just reminding myself. Could be off base and I don't leave DT any room to argue it, but feeling things out here.

I don't really have issues with CR's responses today. I'd like to hear from mau why he made that vote.

I dunno what to make of Chief right now. He seems almost too vehemently defensive. Perhaps the mayor discovered he is illegally dumping chemicals into our lakes and rivers, and had to remove him before he was publicly outed?

Captain Planet will get to the bottom of this.

No need, Captain. With my investigative skills we'll be to the bottom of this in no time. Let me see, where did I put my note book?

That said I still don't agree with the voting rationale on Zinto from yesterday.

I suggested the Duke as a possibility. The point was to get more information on the Mayor role.

So you mean you were hoping that Zinto would reveal information under pressure of receiving votes? Or you thought if he won the vote we would learn something?

I took a chance (a small one) to discover "X", representing a variable meaning "anything about the Mayor role that might be useful". I didn't really think it was likely to work, but worth a shot on Day One.

I felt it would be more productive than your typical meaningless Day One votes in which we all engage. And at worst, it's just another Day One vote.

Are my votes really all that interesting? Hold on.. I gotta piss.

Ok. I am back.

What were we talking about? Oh, yeah. So I heard that the world I live in is a drawing. What the hell is that all about?

At least it ain't cool world.

Let me be clear that I don't think this subject is nearly worth the amount of words we're spending on it, but at least we're talking about something.

I still don't see an answer to my question. Did you think Zinto would tell us something, or that if he was lynched we would find something out?

I didn't have a concrete goal. I was fishing. Applying pressure can sometimes get interesting results. I had no idea what, if anything, I would find. Either from Zinto reacting, or not reacting, or others reacting on Zinto's behalf.

Cool.

I take it that Zinto is still mayor, so this will not be a daily election, but presumably he will remain so until killed or perhaps there is a more intermittent election.

There is some danger in having a bad guy possibly as mayor, but my inclination in these kind of games is to let the big guy be until we get some reason to suspect him.

It sounded from the writeup that specifically we're looking for someone who sabotaged the portal yesterday. I don't know if that's just flavor or if there's anything implied by that. I guess I don't see any rules about discovering info so probably just flavor from a lynch.

The Captain stands with the Mayor...so long as he continues to crack down on deforestation and food preservatives.

It's the middle of the day, we have 1 person with 2 votes, and 4 with 1. Let's change that.

Unvote Brit
Vote Saldana

I am still the mayor. I tried to hint yesterday that I there wasn't going to be another.

I don't think it is in my or the citizens of Toonsville to disclose what I can or cannot do for them. You will just have to trust your mayor.

And yes, Danny voting for me first made me the mayor. Thanks Danny :)

Is this... a WW game? The beginning of a discussion?

...It is! Things are starting to happen! I could put on my detective cap, even!

I say... maybe it would make sense to have both "Fix Portal" and our lynch target be 2 votes clear, to prevent any shenanigans.

That's it for now. Exit, stage left!

I like Chief's reasoning for the Zinto vote in that for a D1 play it did get some discussion going. And Lord we needed that. I don't think one can jump to the conclusion he's good based off that though. For all we know he had every intention of coming back and changing it (providing this same reasoning) and then he got stuck at work or got a flat tire or whatever.

Thinking about it more, I will admit it would be a bold opening vote for a wolf though, probably not something that a saboteur would be likely to do rather than hide and screw things up from the shadows. There is no specific saboteur role listed though, so maybe any wolf could screw things up? I don't know, we don't really have info about how things are working off-screen.

[quote]Tie votes: In the extremely rare event of a tie (extremely rare I say); a random selection between the players that are tied will occur AND the following - if all players have voted the last player to vote will be killed off, if not all players have voted than any player who didn't vote will be killed off.[/QUOTE]

I remember Zinto saying something about a bloodbath yesterday, I didn't catch the tie rule there, so I'm making sure we're all aware we really really can't tie. There are currently 6 missing votes and the saboteur gets a bonus vote today.

This sequence makes me wonder if a wolf was given a portal part and threw it away or deliberately gave it to another wolf or something. Or it could've been a bad die roll and that's what EF meant. Could be evidence we started with wolves. I guess the fact that the portal was sabotaged is evidence at least one wolf was present before the end of D1.

The paragraph he's referencing is the one I just pulled.

Re: #3, I'm wondering if it might be related to allowing us seer scanning since there's no obvious role listed that would provide that. Access to The Tube might let someone watch another player or something like that.

I haven't provided a lot of thoughts on others because I haven't seen anything that jumps out at me at the moment.

Sextuple-dola, that's hot.

Really, we need a couple people dead, or something otherwise amusing to happen for some serious analysis.

Until then, all we can really do is make sure we get the voting numbers right for Portal + 1 Person tonight.

Coffee is volunteering to be killed everyone.

You can't kill Captain Planet! He's our hero! He's gonna take pollution down to zero!

I will be in and out until deadline, just so you know where your mayor is.

Wait a second! I feel like this is something that's happened before in an EF WW game! Maybe to me, even!

I do actually think I got an item in a previous WW game, perhaps one of EF's, and had the option to pass it before the game. I was a good in that game, FWIW.

(I kind of want to go back and edit Snagglepuss posts to pink text now, but the rules seem to discourage that... :) )

Getting caught up. This game is making my hurt. I need an asphaltarin.

Vote: Saldana

Got no real reason, other than he isn't saying much of anything and I'd like to give the guys who are saying things more time.

But I'll be around all evening and am open to switching.

He won't count that vote, Suicane. They need to be in a post without any other text. 'Cause EF's a dick like that.

:)

My bad

4 portal, two players tied at 3 apiece (discounting secret vote).

In pretty good shape for tie-avoidance purposes.

Self preservation of course.

I start work in 20 minutes (FWIW).

Well nobody's giving us much to go on. I normally would be complaining not to vote out someone who hasn't shown up yet, as we might lose something important. But I think we've got too many quiet folks to really worry about that. I'd rather keep someone active like Chief, even if he turns out to be bad ;-)

5 on the portal, 4 on saldana, cr sits at 2. Good shape right now, I think.

Makes sense.

Seems to be the move to ensure no goofiness..

Would be nice if Autumn / mau switched to sal so it's tougher to pull off shenanigans.

Nice timing.

We lost our seer due to idleness. Lovely.

Crap.

EF, is it possible to elect a sheriff and vote someone out or is it just the highest vote getter like the guard portal / vote person option?

Just one option this time. Highest vote wins it. Tie conditions still exist.

Ok then. This is an interesting decision. If the Nurse feels their role is not that valuable, then it might be worth them giving us that information. If it is valuable, then say nothing and we can use that data point in our choice today. The citizen who won the Portal power also might have an idea if keeping the portal safe is worth voting no lynch (it would have to be pretty useful I'd think).

Wouldn't a public election of a sheriff put a bullseye on his/her back by the wolves? Not sure if that is worth the nurse reveal since it would make both of them public. (unless the nurse is inactive also)

vote daddy torgo

Getting one it now. Just got home after 14 hours at work without a break. Another lomg day tomorrow most likely