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DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 11:19 PM

born in scotland, degrees in scotland, taught in scotland, wrote in scotland, died in scotland

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 11:21 PM

And Scotland is not a modern day country, so he could not have been selected there. Now, technically, he could not have been taken for "Great Britain" either, as that's an island, not a nation

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 11:23 PM

idk - i think scotland is distinct enough

Lathum 05-12-2009 11:24 PM


Izulde 05-12-2009 11:24 PM

But it's not an independent nation. It's considered part of the UK, which people in the draft and voting will shorthand as England I'm sure.

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 11:27 PM

my scottish blood says you all are wrong...lol

Izulde 05-12-2009 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2019733)
my scottish blood says you all are wrong...lol


I don't give a shit. :P I have Scottish blood myself and my last name is believed to be a corruption of an originally Scottish name.

It's part of the UK in modern times. Deal. ;)

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 11:30 PM

Yeah, what if someone you wanted was from Greenland but someone had taken Denmark in that category. You are screwed, that;s what. Now pick! ;)

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 11:34 PM

GB is UK which is Scotland. We all know what was meant.

William Wallace, quit your stalling and pick :)

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2019742)
Yeah, what if someone you wanted was from Greenland but someone had taken Denmark in that category. You are screwed, that;s what. Now pick! ;)


bite me. be nice or i'll go to bed without picking

Lathum 05-12-2009 11:36 PM

hey Larry, you gonna do the WSOP game this year?

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 11:36 PM

The more I look at Karl Marx, the more I think it's the best pick so far. Not only is he the author of Das Capital, one of the most important economic books ever, but he is also one of the heavy hitters in on the field altogether. It's like he's doing double duty.

The only concern I have is that some voters may see him in economics and think he should be somewhere else.

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 11:43 PM

2.5 John Kenneth Galbraith - Economist, USA

Noop 05-12-2009 11:44 PM

I'll post my pick in the morning.

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 11:44 PM

Damn, I was going to take Irving Fisher from USA. I don;t even know who Galbraith is. Let me see

Lathum 05-12-2009 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noop (Post 2019761)
I'll post my pick in the morning.


why wait?

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 11:47 PM

Okay, I wikipediaed him

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2019764)
why wait?


It's Coffee W's turn, then Izulde, then Noop

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 11:48 PM

Galbraith was THE American economist from the 50's - 70's. Served in like 4-5 administrations, 2 Presidential Medal's of Freedom

John Kenneth "Ken" Galbraith, OC (October 15, 1908 – April 29, 2006) was a Canadian-American economist. He was a Keynesian and an institutionalist, a leading proponent of 20th-century American liberalism and progressivism. His books on economic topics were bestsellers from the 1950s through the 1970s and he filled the role of public intellectual in this period on matters of economics.

Galbraith was a prolific author who produced four dozen books and over a thousand articles on various subjects. Among his most famous works was a popular trilogy on economics, American Capitalism (1952), The Affluent Society (1958), and The New Industrial State (1967). He taught at Harvard University for many years. Galbraith was active in politics, serving in the administrations of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson; and among other roles served as United States Ambassador to India under Kennedy.


He was one of the few honorees who received the Presidential Medal of Freedom twice. He received one in 1946 from President Truman and another in 2000 from President Bill Clinton.[1] He was also awarded the Order of Canada in 1997[2] and, in 2001, the Padma Vibhushan, India's second highest civilian award, for his contributions to strengthening ties between India and the United States

Galaril 05-12-2009 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2019764)
why wait?


Yeah, let's go Noop you wuss pick:)

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 11:49 PM

Yeah, I already wikied him.

ntndeacon 05-12-2009 11:49 PM

thought about Freidman as an American

Izulde 05-12-2009 11:50 PM

Although the pick is a total WTF is that, I'm annoyed that the US is cockblocked economically. I had some backup choices planned for economist there.

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 11:51 PM

I would have saved Galbraith in my back pocket as a Canadian for next round and let someone else cockblock the USA in economics. Of course, he might have been on other people's radar, so ymmv

Lathum 05-12-2009 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2019766)
It's Coffee W's turn, then Izulde, then Noop


I guess thats a good reason

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 11:52 PM

DT did you pm CW?

Lathum 05-12-2009 11:56 PM

I think Greenspan would have been a better option

Izulde 05-12-2009 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2019783)
I think Greenspan would have been a better option


Yep. Plus a few others I won't mention as they're multi-cat.

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 11:58 PM

i didn't PM CW, no.

and i wasn't going for "name recognition" as much as I was going for impact. i considered friedman...but idk. whatever...i wanted marx and i was irritated that i didn't get him and didn't have a backup plan in place cuz it looked like he'd fall to me. i don't really care...hate the pick or not.

i'm going to bed.

Izulde 05-12-2009 11:59 PM

PM CW first. :p

Lathum 05-13-2009 12:00 AM

lol

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2019783)
I think Greenspan would have been a better option


Many think the roots of the current economic recession is a result of Greenspan's policies. I wouldn't have wanted to walk into that.

larrymcg421 05-13-2009 12:02 AM

One sec. I have picks from CW

Izulde 05-13-2009 12:03 AM

Man, I hope my next pick doesn't get taken.

AENeuman 05-13-2009 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2019754)
The more I look at Karl Marx, the more I think it's the best pick so far. Not only is he the author of Das Capital, one of the most important economic books ever, but he is also one of the heavy hitters in on the field altogether. It's like he's doing double duty.

The only concern I have is that some voters may see him in economics and think he should be somewhere else.


One of the approaches of this draft would be to draft a group that would make a great nation. By that rational I think the Marx pick is suspect. As a pick for best in category i think it's the best one

I hope some people take a chance and gets creative with their econ pick

Lathum 05-13-2009 12:04 AM


Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 12:04 AM

See DT< if you had picked sooner, Noop would have still been here and we would have gotten a lot farther. ;)

Izulde 05-13-2009 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AENeuman (Post 2019794)
One of the approaches of this draft would be to draft a group that would make a great nation. By that rational I think the Marx pick is suspect. As a pick for best in category i think it's the best one

I hope some people take a chance and gets creative with their econ pick


That's a very good point and admittedly, that's partly my strategy, in that I'm creating a nation that I myself would love to have.

Of course, I'm going to have to get -real- creative with Econ.

larrymcg421 05-13-2009 12:08 AM

CW picks...

2.6 Albert Einstein (Science, Germany, Post-20th)

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izulde (Post 2019797)
That's a very good point and admittedly, that's partly my strategy, in that I'm creating a nation that I myself would love to have.

Of course, I'm going to have to get -real- creative with Econ.


Yup, most of us are.

Izulde 05-13-2009 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 2019798)
CW picks...

2.6 Albert Einstein (Science, Germany, Post-20th)


MOTHERFUCKING WHORE'S GIT!

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 2019798)
CW picks...

2.6 Albert Einstein (Science, Germany, Post-20th)


Figured he'd go about here

Izulde 05-13-2009 12:10 AM

Okay, let me do a rundown of my list and see.

Lathum 05-13-2009 12:15 AM

solid

larrymcg421 05-13-2009 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2019753)
hey Larry, you gonna do the WSOP game this year?


Definitely. Maybe I can finally win this year.

Lathum 05-13-2009 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 2019805)
Definitely. Maybe I can finally win this year.


cool, I always enjoy that. I can't believe it's just around the corner

Galaril 05-13-2009 12:21 AM

Cross Einstein off the list damn.

Izulde 05-13-2009 12:23 AM

2.7 Jim Brown - Athlete - 20th Century - USA

"If you thought Walter Payton was good, you should've seen Jim Brown."

When a Hall of Fame running back who is arguably one of the greatest of all time is dismissed in mention of another player, that second man must truly stand as one of the greats of all time.

But not only was he a football great, a punishing runner who also kicked extra points, he was a world-class athlete in lacrosse, and as, wikipedia notes, he excelled in basketball and track as well.

Although many of his records would later be passed by those with longer careers, he remains the 8th leading rusher of all time and is still the Browns' leading rusher. The most impressive fact of this?

He retired when he was just 29 years old.

Truly an athletic champion in every sense of the word.

Lathum 05-13-2009 12:26 AM

Hate Izuldes pick.

Izulde 05-13-2009 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2019811)
Hate Izuldes pick.


In a good way or bad way? :D

larrymcg421 05-13-2009 12:28 AM

That's certainly not the US athlete I expected to get picked.

larrymcg421 05-13-2009 12:29 AM

Oh, and I updated the first post and added a listing of picks by category at the bottom, so you can see what countries have been taken in each category.

Izulde 05-13-2009 12:30 AM

I don't know... when you consider his levels of excellence in so many different sports and the fact that he was able to accomplish so much and retire at a young age and -still- be one of the greatest ever statistically speaking... that to me is the very definite of an athlete.

Versatility. Success. Immortality. All in one package.

Lathum 05-13-2009 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izulde (Post 2019812)
In a good way or bad way? :D


In a bad way. I think there are WAY better athletes that personify the nation. Jesse Owens, Mark Spitz and Mary Lou Retton come to mind.

larrymcg421 05-13-2009 12:33 AM

But just think, Izulde's nation will be the home of some classic blaxploitation films.

Lathum 05-13-2009 12:33 AM

dola- there's also the Jordan and Woods guys

Lathum 05-13-2009 12:34 AM

I also think it's to early to take an athlete, there's a ton of depth there.

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2019821)
I also think it's to early to take an athlete, there's a ton of depth there.


I congree

Izulde 05-13-2009 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2019818)
In a bad way. I think there are WAY better athletes that personify the nation. Jesse Owens, Mark Spitz and Mary Lou Retton come to mind.


Yeah, those are the type of athletes I figure would be going. But the reason I somewhat disagree with those is because they're specific to something that happens only every four years and is limited to one sport and ones that furthermore get little attention outside of the Olympics.

Izulde 05-13-2009 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2019820)
dola- there's also the Jordan and Woods guys


I considered Jordan, but the demonstrated multi-sport excellence of Brown swayed me.

Barkeep49 05-13-2009 05:27 AM

What about Jim Thorpe then? There was a guy who could play more than one sport.

Barkeep49 05-13-2009 05:28 AM

Also in terms of American economists Milton Friedman is better than Galbraith. Hell I'd have taken Steven Levitt over Galbraith because I think more people would have heard of him.

Barkeep49 05-13-2009 05:33 AM

I do love the Marx pick BTW. Clearly an incredibly important economist.

Alan T 05-13-2009 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2019857)
What about Jim Thorpe then? There was a guy who could play more than one sport.



In my mind this was the clear #1 athlete pick for the U.S. if not a pretty strong one worldwide. I agree with others that the combination of picking an athlete this early and picking a lesser choice from the country is a bad combination.

I love the Adam Smith pick, much more than the Karl Marx praise going around recently. (Even though Marx was a strong pick in a weak category).

I also love the Ghandi pick. When people in the U.S. think of civil rights leaders, they tend to relate that directly to African Americans and their struggles to try to be equal. There are so many minority groups out there, I am really interested to see where people go with that (including civil rights that aren't just about race).

Anyways, great idea for a draft, and I'll be reading along as best as I can, as this is very interesting to me.


Edit: I meant to also mention as far as Athlete goes, I think a close second to Thorpe would have been Jesse Owens (which I think someone else mentioned). He was an amazing athlete in many different fields, but where he accomplished it and when is just as important and probably trumps Thorpe there.

Izulde 05-13-2009 06:14 AM

*sigh* Aight so I fucked up my draft again... and in the second round to boot. :(

Barkeep49 05-13-2009 06:20 AM

Izulde, to be honest with you I'm having trouble coming up with my next pick, so don't feel too bad. All of the big names left on my board are in categories where I have several very solid alternatives who I can see slipping. The categories where I don't have nearly the bench depth all are people who are second (or even fourth) tier names.

Barkeep49 05-13-2009 06:21 AM

DOLA - In other words don't feel bad :)

Alan T 05-13-2009 06:27 AM

I agree, don't feel bad. I apologize if my wording was harsh. I can only imagine it is so tough to try to think of so many world wide categories and then try to rank them, and on top of that try to prioritize them based on when to pick them. That is why it is fun for me to watch, I don't have to do the picking, I can just be a backseat driver :)

Izulde 05-13-2009 06:33 AM

Thanks guys :)

DaddyTorgo 05-13-2009 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2019858)
Also in terms of American economists Milton Friedman is better than Galbraith. Hell I'd have taken Steven Levitt over Galbraith because I think more people would have heard of him.


I guess that all depends on the circles you run in. I feel good about Galbraith - he served in the administration's of 4 different presidents, from both parties. clearly the guy has the political saavy to be my chief economist, and i like his policies

Barkeep49 05-13-2009 07:37 AM

I'm not knocking Galbraith. He's a giant of the field. I just think his name recognition will hurt you with the voters.

Barkeep49 05-13-2009 07:42 AM

The more I think about this draft, the more I appreciate the Red Baron as a pick.

DaddyTorgo 05-13-2009 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2019928)
I'm not knocking Galbraith. He's a giant of the field. I just think his name recognition will hurt you with the voters.


I'm not going for name-recognition...I think that's a poor way to try to "game" these drafts if you will. I think I've shown that fairly consistently with some of my picks in past drafts.

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2019857)
What about Jim Thorpe then? There was a guy who could play more than one sport.


I woulda chosen Thorpe from US atheletes.

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2019877)
Izulde, to be honest with you I'm having trouble coming up with my next pick, so don't feel too bad. All of the big names left on my board are in categories where I have several very solid alternatives who I can see slipping. The categories where I don't have nearly the bench depth all are people who are second (or even fourth) tier names.


I agree. The obvious names are out. My next pick is to go for someone not anywhere near the level of fame others have or someone not nearly with the impact others have, you know?

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2019940)
I'm not going for name-recognition...I think that's a poor way to try to "game" these drafts if you will. I think I've shown that fairly consistently with some of my picks in past drafts.


I do appreciate that.

Coffee Warlord 05-13-2009 08:04 AM

Rather surprised I nabbed Einstein. Wheeeeee!

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 08:07 AM

Einstein was the last of teh big names I think.

lordscarlet 05-13-2009 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izulde (Post 2019829)
Yeah, those are the type of athletes I figure would be going. But the reason I somewhat disagree with those is because they're specific to something that happens only every four years and is limited to one sport and ones that furthermore get little attention outside of the Olympics.


I know we settled down on this, but I think the key is national recognition in a nation building draft. Jim Brown was a star in a uniquely American sport.


On another note, I think Jesus has been picked (in some fashion) in something like 3 of the last 4 drafts. :)

DaddyTorgo 05-13-2009 08:24 AM

No drafting of jesus/god/the bible in my draft, i'm sure.

Noop 05-13-2009 08:47 AM

2.8 King Solomon - Justice Minister - Pre-20th Century - Israel

Coffee Warlord 05-13-2009 08:51 AM

Another unexpected one, but an awesome pick for the category.

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noop (Post 2020029)
2.8 King Solomon - Justice Minister - Pre-20th Century - Israel


Whoah

DaddyTorgo 05-13-2009 09:01 AM

well done noop

Danny 05-13-2009 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2019989)
No drafting of jesus/god/the bible in my draft, i'm sure.


Oh we'll see about that.

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 09:02 AM

I totally didn;t see that, and I really, really like it. Good job Noop

Danny 05-13-2009 09:03 AM

Yeah good pick noop

Danny 05-13-2009 09:04 AM

I just hope Judge Dredd makes it to my pick

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 09:05 AM

Heh

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 09:11 AM

C'Mon BK. I'm ready as soon as you go. Boom. One-two, one-two

Coffee Warlord 05-13-2009 09:12 AM

I've got 6 picks in the hopper. One of them needs to last till my next one, dammit. :)

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 09:13 AM

I just hope Bk doesn't take the one i want, but unlike DT, I have a backup ;)

Danny 05-13-2009 09:13 AM

I'm drafting as I go, I have not come up with a list for each spot yet. Maybe later today.

Barkeep49 05-13-2009 09:34 AM

Ok. The air cateogry has completely flummoxed me. I can't come up with a name of anyone that someone might have heard of that isn't German or American. Not wanting to lose America, I'm making my pick. I'm guessing this is going to be a Jim Brown sort of pick where others give me all sorts of ideas I didn't think about. However, many of the famous pilots weren't military pilots and that didn't seem in keeping with the draft.

I select John Glenn - Air Chief
Glenn, in adition to being the third person to orbit Earth, was a top notch test pilot, even helping to break the sonic barrier. In his later life he became a US Senator. Glenn would have both the political and practical expertise to make sure this nation had a superior air ability.

Barkeep49 05-13-2009 09:34 AM

Forgot to mention, he's United States 20th Century.

DaddyTorgo 05-13-2009 09:35 AM

kickass - way to go john glenn!

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 09:35 AM

Marco Polo, Chief Diplomat, Italy, Pre-20th

Coffee Warlord 05-13-2009 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2020091)
I select John Glenn - Air Chief
Glenn, in adition to being the third person to orbit Earth, was a top notch test pilot, even helping to break the sonic barrier. In his later life he became a US Senator. Glenn would have both the political and practical expertise to make sure this nation had a superior air ability.


You ass. EXACTLY the same direction I was gonna go here.

Surtt 05-13-2009 09:37 AM

2.11 Napoleon Bonaparte, Army Chief, France, pre-20th

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 09:39 AM

Nappy is a solid choice here.


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