born in scotland, degrees in scotland, taught in scotland, wrote in scotland, died in scotland

And Scotland is not a modern day country, so he could not have been selected there. Now, technically, he could not have been taken for "Great Britain" either, as that's an island, not a nation

idk - i think scotland is distinct enough

But it's not an independent nation. It's considered part of the UK, which people in the draft and voting will shorthand as England I'm sure.

my scottish blood says you all are wrong...lol

I don't give a shit. :P I have Scottish blood myself and my last name is believed to be a corruption of an originally Scottish name.

It's part of the UK in modern times. Deal. ;)

Yeah, what if someone you wanted was from Greenland but someone had taken Denmark in that category. You are screwed, that;s what. Now pick! ;)

GB is UK which is Scotland. We all know what was meant.

William Wallace, quit your stalling and pick :)

bite me. be nice or i'll go to bed without picking

hey Larry, you gonna do the WSOP game this year?

The more I look at Karl Marx, the more I think it's the best pick so far. Not only is he the author of Das Capital, one of the most important economic books ever, but he is also one of the heavy hitters in on the field altogether. It's like he's doing double duty.

The only concern I have is that some voters may see him in economics and think he should be somewhere else.

I'll post my pick in the morning.

Damn, I was going to take Irving Fisher from USA. I don;t even know who Galbraith is. Let me see

why wait?

Okay, I wikipediaed him

It's Coffee W's turn, then Izulde, then Noop

Galbraith was THE American economist from the 50's - 70's. Served in like 4-5 administrations, 2 Presidential Medal's of Freedom

John Kenneth "Ken" Galbraith, OC (October 15, 1908 – April 29, 2006) was a Canadian-American economist. He was a Keynesian and an institutionalist, a leading proponent of 20th-century American liberalism and progressivism. His books on economic topics were bestsellers from the 1950s through the 1970s and he filled the role of public intellectual in this period on matters of economics.

Galbraith was a prolific author who produced four dozen books and over a thousand articles on various subjects. Among his most famous works was a popular trilogy on economics, American Capitalism (1952), The Affluent Society (1958), and The New Industrial State (1967). He taught at Harvard University for many years. Galbraith was active in politics, serving in the administrations of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson; and among other roles served as United States Ambassador to India under Kennedy.


He was one of the few honorees who received the Presidential Medal of Freedom twice. He received one in 1946 from President Truman and another in 2000 from President Bill Clinton.^[1] He was also awarded the Order of Canada in 1997^[2] and, in 2001, the Padma Vibhushan, India's second highest civilian award, for his contributions to strengthening ties between India and the United States

Yeah, let's go Noop you wuss pick:)

Yeah, I already wikied him.

thought about Freidman as an American

Although the pick is a total WTF is that, I'm annoyed that the US is cockblocked economically. I had some backup choices planned for economist there.

I would have saved Galbraith in my back pocket as a Canadian for next round and let someone else cockblock the USA in economics. Of course, he might have been on other people's radar, so ymmv

I guess thats a good reason

DT did you pm CW?

I think Greenspan would have been a better option

Yep. Plus a few others I won't mention as they're multi-cat.

i didn't PM CW, no.

and i wasn't going for "name recognition" as much as I was going for impact. i considered friedman...but idk. whatever...i wanted marx and i was irritated that i didn't get him and didn't have a backup plan in place cuz it looked like he'd fall to me. i don't really care...hate the pick or not.

i'm going to bed.

PM CW first. :p

lol

Many think the roots of the current economic recession is a result of Greenspan's policies. I wouldn't have wanted to walk into that.

One sec. I have picks from CW

Man, I hope my next pick doesn't get taken.

One of the approaches of this draft would be to draft a group that would make a great nation. By that rational I think the Marx pick is suspect. As a pick for best in category i think it's the best one

I hope some people take a chance and gets creative with their econ pick

See DT< if you had picked sooner, Noop would have still been here and we would have gotten a lot farther. ;)

That's a very good point and admittedly, that's partly my strategy, in that I'm creating a nation that I myself would love to have.

Of course, I'm going to have to get -real- creative with Econ.

CW picks...

2.6 Albert Einstein (Science, Germany, Post-20th)

Yup, most of us are.

MOTHERFUCKING WHORE'S GIT!

Figured he'd go about here

Okay, let me do a rundown of my list and see.

solid

Definitely. Maybe I can finally win this year.

cool, I always enjoy that. I can't believe it's just around the corner

Cross Einstein off the list damn.

2.7 Jim Brown - Athlete - 20th Century - USA

"If you thought Walter Payton was good, you should've seen Jim Brown."

When a Hall of Fame running back who is arguably one of the greatest of all time is dismissed in mention of another player, that second man must truly stand as one of the greats of all time.

But not only was he a football great, a punishing runner who also kicked extra points, he was a world-class athlete in lacrosse, and as, wikipedia notes, he excelled in basketball and track as well.

Although many of his records would later be passed by those with longer careers, he remains the 8th leading rusher of all time and is still the Browns' leading rusher. The most impressive fact of this?

He retired when he was just 29 years old.

Truly an athletic champion in every sense of the word.

Hate Izuldes pick.

In a good way or bad way? :D

That's certainly not the US athlete I expected to get picked.

Oh, and I updated the first post and added a listing of picks by category at the bottom, so you can see what countries have been taken in each category.

I don't know... when you consider his levels of excellence in so many different sports and the fact that he was able to accomplish so much and retire at a young age and -still- be one of the greatest ever statistically speaking... that to me is the very definite of an athlete.

Versatility. Success. Immortality. All in one package.

In a bad way. I think there are WAY better athletes that personify the nation. Jesse Owens, Mark Spitz and Mary Lou Retton come to mind.

But just think, Izulde's nation will be the home of some classic blaxploitation films.

dola- there's also the Jordan and Woods guys

I also think it's to early to take an athlete, there's a ton of depth there.

I congree

Yeah, those are the type of athletes I figure would be going. But the reason I somewhat disagree with those is because they're specific to something that happens only every four years and is limited to one sport and ones that furthermore get little attention outside of the Olympics.

I considered Jordan, but the demonstrated multi-sport excellence of Brown swayed me.

What about Jim Thorpe then? There was a guy who could play more than one sport.

Also in terms of American economists Milton Friedman is better than Galbraith. Hell I'd have taken Steven Levitt over Galbraith because I think more people would have heard of him.

I do love the Marx pick BTW. Clearly an incredibly important economist.

In my mind this was the clear #1 athlete pick for the U.S. if not a pretty strong one worldwide. I agree with others that the combination of picking an athlete this early and picking a lesser choice from the country is a bad combination.

I love the Adam Smith pick, much more than the Karl Marx praise going around recently. (Even though Marx was a strong pick in a weak category).

I also love the Ghandi pick. When people in the U.S. think of civil rights leaders, they tend to relate that directly to African Americans and their struggles to try to be equal. There are so many minority groups out there, I am really interested to see where people go with that (including civil rights that aren't just about race).

Anyways, great idea for a draft, and I'll be reading along as best as I can, as this is very interesting to me.


Edit: I meant to also mention as far as Athlete goes, I think a close second to Thorpe would have been Jesse Owens (which I think someone else mentioned). He was an amazing athlete in many different fields, but where he accomplished it and when is just as important and probably trumps Thorpe there.

*sigh* Aight so I fucked up my draft again... and in the second round to boot. :(

Izulde, to be honest with you I'm having trouble coming up with my next pick, so don't feel too bad. All of the big names left on my board are in categories where I have several very solid alternatives who I can see slipping. The categories where I don't have nearly the bench depth all are people who are second (or even fourth) tier names.

DOLA - In other words don't feel bad :)

I agree, don't feel bad. I apologize if my wording was harsh. I can only imagine it is so tough to try to think of so many world wide categories and then try to rank them, and on top of that try to prioritize them based on when to pick them. That is why it is fun for me to watch, I don't have to do the picking, I can just be a backseat driver :)

Thanks guys :)

I guess that all depends on the circles you run in. I feel good about Galbraith - he served in the administration's of 4 different presidents, from both parties. clearly the guy has the political saavy to be my chief economist, and i like his policies

I'm not knocking Galbraith. He's a giant of the field. I just think his name recognition will hurt you with the voters.

The more I think about this draft, the more I appreciate the Red Baron as a pick.

I'm not going for name-recognition...I think that's a poor way to try to "game" these drafts if you will. I think I've shown that fairly consistently with some of my picks in past drafts.

I woulda chosen Thorpe from US atheletes.

I agree. The obvious names are out. My next pick is to go for someone not anywhere near the level of fame others have or someone not nearly with the impact others have, you know?

I do appreciate that.

Rather surprised I nabbed Einstein. Wheeeeee!

Einstein was the last of teh big names I think.

I know we settled down on this, but I think the key is national recognition in a nation building draft. Jim Brown was a star in a uniquely American sport.


On another note, I think Jesus has been picked (in some fashion) in something like 3 of the last 4 drafts. :)

No drafting of jesus/god/the bible in my draft, i'm sure.

Another unexpected one, but an awesome pick for the category.

Whoah

well done noop

Oh we'll see about that.

I totally didn;t see that, and I really, really like it. Good job Noop

Yeah good pick noop

I just hope Judge Dredd makes it to my pick

Heh

C'Mon BK. I'm ready as soon as you go. Boom. One-two, one-two

I've got 6 picks in the hopper. One of them needs to last till my next one, dammit. :)

I just hope Bk doesn't take the one i want, but unlike DT, I have a backup ;)

I'm drafting as I go, I have not come up with a list for each spot yet. Maybe later today.

Ok. The air cateogry has completely flummoxed me. I can't come up with a name of anyone that someone might have heard of that isn't German or American. Not wanting to lose America, I'm making my pick. I'm guessing this is going to be a Jim Brown sort of pick where others give me all sorts of ideas I didn't think about. However, many of the famous pilots weren't military pilots and that didn't seem in keeping with the draft.

I select John Glenn - Air Chief
Glenn, in adition to being the third person to orbit Earth, was a top notch test pilot, even helping to break the sonic barrier. In his later life he became a US Senator. Glenn would have both the political and practical expertise to make sure this nation had a superior air ability.

Forgot to mention, he's United States 20th Century.

kickass - way to go john glenn!

You ass. EXACTLY the same direction I was gonna go here.

Nappy is a solid choice here.