YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Ah-ha! It is Marc Vaughan.

Anyway, that's me for today. I realise I haven't exactly filled my own criteria for participation at the moment but I expect at least 10 more pages to wade through by tomorrow morning.

Rules question about the following:


My question:

Is "accusing someone of treason" different that bringing a basic lawsuit (the stuff we have been doing all day)? The rules seem to say that they are two different things, but I'm not sure.

two different things, handled two different ways by two different bodies

Also, if anyone has gotten any other rules clarifications (maybe you PMed st.cronin a question or something) please share! Nothing that gives your role away or anything, but generic rules questions, etc....

I just feel a little bit in the dark right now and we need information.

Okay. Thanks.

whoa, who isnt getting sued?except me :p

By the way, it has been alluded to earlier, but I definitely think Alanus Teeus and Westvus Fanus should arrest someone for treason. It gives us voting records for all senators as well as insights into the Consuls' allegiences as well.

Although I wouldn't put it past a treasonous consul to arrest a Tarquin just to insert himself into a circle of trust...

KAYUS WHITUS SUES BULLETUS SPONGEUS

I re-read the rules and this makes better sense now. I was reading the rule and thinking that we normal senators (not consuls) could bring a suit of treason against someone if we had a lawyer. Is that what this rule means?


Or does that mean that someone can hire a lawyer and appoint him to be the prosecutor against someone WHOM A CONSUL ALREADY ARRESTED?

Thanks.

I have the usual early questions: Big game, how many Tarquins do we have facing us? I'd suspect four to five. Conversion abilities? I would assume so (swaying or bribing senators to their position). Haven't figured out a night kill process with no real 'night' to speak of, so I'm drawing a blank on how they try and winnow down the good guys.....

This is my first WW game, so I don't have a handle on first day strategy. It seems a little dangerous to arrest someone randomly at this point since it would give any traitors a chance to have someone wrongfully executed. Then again, since an execution requires a majority vote, perhaps we don't have to worry. I'll say ahead of time, before any names are put out, that I likely will not vote for conviction unless we receive evidence against someone.

Alright, I'm caught up and re-read the rules so I feel a bit more comfortable with the game. Still some is a little confusing but I"m sure as the game progresses things will make better sense.

The one thing that stood out from the rules:


I'm assuming it's in the lawyer's best interest to get some clients killed to increase their wealth and thus gain more power. There's a good chance one of them could be a baddie so I'll be keeping my eye out on Swaggus and Ardentus.

As I mentioned before the game started I will be on on a limited basis. I need to pick up my kid and will hope to be on at some point before deadline.

You should hire a lawyer to help you do that, DC. :)

Heading home shortly.

Alan and WVU...please do arrest a person or two. Quickly. I think we do need to see a D1 vote at least.

As for the lawsuits, I see no real downside to them aside from clogging up the courts. I don't suppose our friendly "God" Cronin would be willing to tell us at what point the courts become backlogged? Otherwise perhaps a decent strategy is to file a ton of lawsuits today, keep track of how many go through (thus how many the court can handle in a day) and then withdraw the rest early tomorrow when we have an idea of how many the court can process in a day?

does that make sense?

cuz if so i'd be willing to be the sacrificial lamb there and sue everyone in the game, at the risk of bankrupting myself, just in order to see how many lawsuits the court can handle in a day...

Hello mega dola!

He just doesn't want to be seen as "one of the quiet ones" when it comes time to throw somebody off the rock.

:)

Heh, you seem pretty eager there AE ;) In due time... in due time.


Looks like Kwhit beat you to it!

Yeah, pretty much. I figure that I already one of the poorest players in the game, so why not?

sorry. i hit "post quick reply" and then clicked over to do some work. came back and the text was still there, so i repeated the process. text was STILL there so i repeated it again.

obviously it wasn't clearing out of the quick-reply box

headed home in a few, but will of course be online from home

So it's going to be interesting to see how the filthy Tarquinians will expand or win. If they can convert people, it's going to take a while with so many players (unless they start with a lot.) If they can do some kind of kill action, I'm not sure. Either way it may be a long game.

I get the distinct feeling we're already well above the daily limit.

This is correct, and will be better explained via pm when somebody hires a lawyer.

I agree.

We have what, 4 hours to arrest and vote now?

Anyone arrested today won't be voted on until tommorrow. All we can do today is put any lawsuits out we want , put in PMs to hire people's services, and then the consuls and tribune have additional things they can do today.

You can't vote someone off of the rock until they are arrested the previous day.

sorry i am a little late to the party, tribune checking in, and to those of you that have chosen to sue me, I welcome your inspection, as i have nothing to hide...i was chosen to protect the people from the abuse of power of the patricians, so i hope the numerous suits against me will serve to confirm your faith in me as your protector who is loyal to the republic.

that said, i think we need to consider the fact that one of the purveyors of services could be involved in providing falsely incriminating evidence against people involved in lawsuits...so as much as it has been said that the confirmation of no evidence of treason is only a minor check mark in the exonerated persons favor, evidence to the contrary should be viewed with equal suspicion.

Interesting....

Keep forgetting that one. But still, we *are* winding down on arrests time.

i agree that time is winding down, but as i refuse to sue one of the people that i am sworn to represent, i will just sit back and await the arrest warrants of the consuls

Arrest orders are put in via PM. not in the thread, and it is said there won't be any records of the arrests (or if someone chooses to not make an arrest). So the consuls (myself and Westvus Fanus for now, and future consuls after us) will be your source of who they arrested and why they chose to arrest them.

There isn't any rush to get arrest orders in that don't take effect until the next day other than a risk of bad guy actions occuring at some point during the day which could stop an arrest request from occuring perhaps if the bad guy action occurs before it chronologically. We don't know yet how that aspect of this game works just yet, so we will have to see either today or tommorrow. (Is it a safe assumption there won't be any kills today due to not being able to hire any kind of protection for today?)

I also am hesitant about those who indicated a strong desire to know what everyone was doing in the way of hiring services. Once we know what certain services do, it only takes matching up which people with the most money went for which services to know who is bodyguarded and who isn't. I think I much rather find out from people what the roles do/did after they no longer can use it for good, if that makes sense. Ie: getting the information about the hired services is good but not until it won't help the bad guys know where to plan a move for that day.

Dola, what I meant by this, is I assume it will be public knowledge that someone was arrested.. but to which Consul arrested them and why won't be from what I understand.

We are Senators, not plebs. How insulting. At least I'm assuming that all Senators but you are patricians and not plebeians.

interesting that you are separating yourself so distinctly from the people you are supposed to be representing

I don't know that the Roman Senate was all that concerned about the little people.....

Someone has to buy my yaks.

I have returned home. I'm around

which is exactly the problem...you are supposed to be loyal to the people of rome, not the senate

Man....all these lawsuits are making my head spin. Since no one knows how we are going to process the lawsuits, how is one going to know if it is safe to sue multiple people?

And what were to happen if someone were to acquire these services because I have no idea if they will have negative or positive effects on the outcome of the lawsuits.


Plus do we know 100% that these lawsuits will not be automatically assigned to a lawyer under certain circumstance. Because any of these lawyers can easily be Tarqs and we can be playing right into their hands.

Well I have been around all day but I dont feel like I can contribute much. I am a little confused right now but I think that is the joy of the game and Cronin is doing it on purpose. I haven't been sued nor have I sued because at this point I dont think the courts can hear all that we have anyway so it will just be a waste. But I welcome anybody to sue me or do whatever you have to in order to get information out of me because I am just a Senator.

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If I'm understanding the rules correctly, we're assigned an average lawyer unless we hire either Ardentus or Swaggus (dunno if this is done by PM or here in the forum, waiting on cronin for this). You're right, if either of these lawyers is on the side of the Tarqs, we're in trouble.

Following this thought, if they both start out as loyal to the Republic, if there's a conversion ability and one of them becomes a Tarq, we're pretty screwed. Especially if they gain wealth off of other players' deaths.

OMG, ignore the smilie face in jibberish on my subject line. Our son somehow figured out how to add text on the subject. Hell, I don't even know how to add a smilie on the subject line.

that's awesome DC

but ya know...i think it might be a secret wolf-ish code.

VOTE DODGERCHICK...EARLY AND OFTEN EVERYONE

(hehe jk)

I believe hiring all services including the services of lawyers for the next day is done via PM, and does not have to be revealed.

Yeah, that makes sense.


Har har... vote me and I'll sue your arse! I'm rich bitch! :p

Sorry, I keep hearing Dave Chappelle saying that line, I couldn't help myself.

wow just got caught up

Snus Dvlus sues KAYUS WHITUS

just because no one else has and he has the most "lawsuits" out there. seems to make sense to try and clear the person w/ the most "suits" out there.

LSG - I can offer up a suit on you if you are feeling left out :D

Deadline less than 40 minutes away.

This game is gonna give me a migraine trying to analyze any of this mess.

It seems there's nothing more this senator can do here today. I am eager to wake tomorrow and see the results of our republic's courts, and anything more we might learn.

Hey cronin, are we gonna have results processed this evening, or tomorrow?

Results will be processed immediately, and Day II will begin. I have most of the results typed up already, just waiting on last minute changes.

Patricians are people of Rome. They are of a higher class than the plebs. They are from families of original Roman (or old Roman) heritage. At the time of the shift to Republican rule, I believe the plebs had only one senator and the rest all represented the gentile patricians. So basically we all represent the people of Rome. Just some are more eqaul than others. :)

Much later on I think there were more Plebean senators.

So, does anyone else think of UNLV Basketball and an old bald headed guy when they see the word Tarquinians?

Cronin, there's a hat in it for you if I win my lawsuit.

deadline

pms go out next, then I'll post the status and begin day II.

Santus Cronus addresses the Senate:

Senators, nobles, citizens of Rome.



Non sumus sub rege: sibi quisque se vindicet.



Like all of you, I am justly proud of our newly established Republic. I am optimistic about our future. May our glory never wane!



It is my sad duty, however, to inform you that I have discovered an evil conspiracy amongst us, a conspiracy whose goal is to restore the Tarquins. These conspirators know that us proud, noble Romans would never allow such a thing to happen peacefully. It is my belief, therefore, that what they have planned is nothing less than a massacre of the Senate. It must be their belief that if they slaughter enough of us, the survivors will be too grateful at having been spared to protest at all.



We must not let this happen. We must not allow them to sow fear and distrust in our ranks.



Before I retire, I will give you the names of the conspirators that I have uncovered. First, ...

At that moment, Santus Cronus keels over, dead - he has been poisoned!

The first Consuls of Rome are:

Alanus Teeus
Westvus Fanus
(their term will end upon completion of day 2)

The Tribune of the Plebs is:

Saldanus Lathumus (this is a lifetime appointment)

The best lawyer in Rome is:

Swaggus Swaggus

And the second best lawyer in Rome is:

Ardentus Enthusiastus

The following lawsuits are scheduled to be heard by the courts today:
KAYUS WHITUS SUES ALANUS TEEUS
ALANUS TEEUS SUES HOOPUS GUYUS
HOOPUS GUYUS SUES AUTUMNUS LEAVUS
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus Sues Ironsus Headus
DADDYus TORGOus SUES WESTVUS FANus
Autumnus Leavus Sues Westvus Fanus
AUTUMNUS LEAVUS SUES SALDANUS LATHUMUS
Ardentus Enthusiastus sues Swaggus Swaggus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus sues Saldanus Lathamus
ANXIETUS ABEUS SUES DADDYUS TORGOUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES WESTVUS FANUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES SALDANUS LATHUMUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES SWAGGUS SWAGGUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
Grammaticus Atticus sues Autumnus Leavus
Neon Chaos sues Barkeep
PEREGRINUS sues PATH12
Kayus Whitus sues bulletus spongeus
snus dvls sues kayus whitus



The following Senators are in jail on suspicion of Treason:
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus


The wealthiest men in Rome are:

Bulletus Spongeus
Dodgus Erchickus
Imus Thecrewus

The following Senators are known to be extremely wealthy:

Coffeus Yakus Warlordus
Ironsus Headus
Lonestarus Girlus
Marcus Vaughnus
Schmidtyus Schmidtyus

The following Senators are known to be moderately wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus
Antus Meisterus
Autumnus Leavus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Pathus Twelveus
Peregrinus Barbarus
Snus Dvlus
Westvus Fanus

The following (remaining) Senators are of ordinary wealth for the Senatorial class:
Alanus Teeus
Ardentus Enthusiastus
Chiefus Rumus
Daddyus Torgous
Grammus Atticus
Hoopus Guyus
Kayus Whitus
Narcizus Lispus
Neonus Chaosus
Saldanus Lathumus
Swaggus Swaggus
Tyrus Ithus

Persons selling their services in the Forum

Maximus Maximus, ex-legionnaire
Vitus Avidus, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Macro Gothicus, barbarian turned citizen for his service during wartime
Balbus Senna, political philosopher from Corsica
Faustus Felix, owner of many horses
Bonus Oceanus, owner of many horses
and of course,
Swaggus Swaggus
Ardentus Enthusiastus

So I'm the only person that's been arrested?

Interesting.

primer

If you did not recieve a pm regarding your bid, it means somebody else outbid you for your services. Lawyers will not know if they have been hired - their work must be kept confidential, and will only be revealed when they perform it, at the deadline.

Senators may place three votes today.

You may place 2 votes for Consuls. The current Consuls and Tribune are ineligible.

You may vote on Coffee Warlord's guilt or innocence.

Consul and Guilty/Innocent are all public votes, yes?

I would like to address my fellow Senators today, for it was I who placed Coffeus Yakus Warlordus under arrest. Today we as senators have a very serious decision ahead of us, for we hold a fellow Senator's good name in our hand. I placed him under arrest under a few bad feelings that I had about him, however I have no inside knowledge or understanding of his possible treachery at this point.

Like I stated before, I felt any inaction in my post would not only be anti-productive, but also almost criminal in failure to do my elected duty. I am very dissapointed that my fellow Consul, Westvus Fanus has chosen the course of inaction today, as it clearly limits our choices in removing the treasonous individuals from our ranks. I would hope that there might be senators among us that could dig deeper into the behavior of Senator Coffeus Yakus Warlordus and if they find anything that would indicate being disloyal to the republic our actions today will be clear. I would likewise urge the remainder of the senators to be cautious with our actions if no signs of his treason do appear.

I fully take the scepticism that might appear from my so called "hasty" arrest, but I had the need to find someone to put under early suspicion and for us to analyze. I do not take my post lightly and hope that it can be a conduit of good.


This early comment from the senator made me a bit worried that his actions were selfish in nature and not looking to further the republic.


This comment while not coming out and stating he wanted people to announce what service they purchased, it seemed to start a bit of conversation that seemed to encourage that. I feel that would be a bad mistake to come out and state at this moment.

While I do agree that understanding what the different services provide us, for now we must hide some of that in the shadows in order to keep those who might be disloyal to our republic guessing at who is a safer target. I will be happy to share more information on what I do know later in the evening, but for now I would like to encourage others to not reveal just yet what service they did purchase.

I think we need to know who had CF arrested, and who deemed it appropriate to sit back and let the Tarqs go unchecked by not arresting anyone.

I am very disappointed in Westvus Fanus.

If I don't get paid, there's going to be a fight.

I vote that Coffee Warlord is innocent.

By the way, I got my legionaire guy. He is a bodyguard that I can send to protect someone else as well.

No word on when his contract with me expires.

Going to respond to more of this, obviously, but I wanted to note that I'm happy you accused SOMEONE. We absolutely have to if we're going to accomplish anything.


I'll make no secrets about it. I fully want to try and make as much cash as possible, be able to secure the services of who I want. I have no other abilities except for being rather wealthy, and this is my plan to try and best serve the Republic. Right now, I know me, and only me, is the side of the Republic. If I make myself the richest, then I know we have that advantage.

For the rest, there's not much I can say. I still think the best course of action is to get the knowledge of what those things do out.

I'm about to go to bed, but I do want to explain why I'm voting for the Warlord's innocence.

The Warlord is playing like he has nothing to lose. In my experience with him, he does that when he's a normal citizen with nothing to lose.

i agree that someone had to be arrested...failure to do so is a disservice to the republic, hence i am quite disappointed in westvus fanus..we must burn the weeds to force the snakes from out midst

I think WVU might be a decent arrest target for Alan today because of the inaction.

Outside from what AE said I think lynching CW might not be a bad idea just to see what happens.

Generally clueless otherwise.

Well, well, well. It appears that the Senator pressing suit against me today has found himself in a bit of a predicament. For all that you claim I have wronged you Coffeus Yakus Warlordus, our Consul believes that you may have wronged the entire Republic. Despite the baseless accusations you have thrown at me simply to obtain my wealth, I am willing to give you the chance to defend yourself. Afterall this floor was made for words, not the common bloodshed of The Colosseum.

unfortunately, i think we need to execute CYW just to see what actual game mechanics come into play...we have very little understanding of what is going on thus far in terms of the lawsuits and the arrest/exections, so in order to help our cause, i think we have to vote to execute him...apologies to CYW for nominating him to be our sacrificial lamb, as there very little evidence against him.

You evidentally did not pay heed to my comments. My arrest of him had nothing to do with his suit on you.

My post does not allow me to arrest a fellow Consul. I will leave that decision on whomever replaces me tommorrow in this post.

No night cycle, so we can launch right into analysis without any fear of reprecussion.

I'm hoping that someone will unearth a compelling reason to vote for arrest or execute sometime between now and tomorrow evening. It will be interesting to see how our foes bide their time while waiting for us to act on the Warlord. If they have the ability to massacre senators, when will we see this action? If we don't see action, how does that impact thoughts on the guilt or innocence of the accused?

For now, I wait ...

Murder! Murder in the Senate! We must put aside all talk of moderation, of gradually teasing out the identities of the traitors. Clearly they wish us all dead, and have abandoned all honor. We, the loyal few, must rally our forces and bring down the power of justice on these foul traitors!

As for the Senator currently under arrest, I will wait to deliver my vote, until I have heard more to sway me in either direction.

I think St Cronin dying by poison is a herald of what the traitors can do. No Day 1 kill, since we couldn't kill anyone, and now we'll be losing players.

Specifically related to his suit against me, no - and neither did I state so Consul. Merely expressing satisfaction that my accuser himself stands on trial. You yourself said "his actions were selfish in nature and not looking to further the republic." But this is more than just money - it is his life. Thus, as I stated ealrier, I am more than willing to hear him out.

Do we just bold our votes for consuls?

if so I vote Kwhit for consul

based on what he said when he checked in. It was almost word for word what I got so I would say he is on my trust list now and I can say with confidence that my suit against him will confirm that as well.

Sorry that I did not participate much today. I have had an absolutely rotten last few days and it is not getting any better.

I have caught up with the thread and know very little to this point--either about myself or the game mechanics.

The only real thoughts I have are:

That the lawsuits seem as if they will give us some information, even though we don't know the cost, so we should probably keep several queued up each day. I know it is shocking for a lawyer to make this comment. :)

And...that, unfortunate as it may be for him, we should probably vote CW as guilty to see what happens as far as information revealed and what game dynamics take place. There are a lot of great players in this game and CW is high among them, but just like first day votes, this is likely something that we just have to do.

Vote to execute CW

As I am wont to point out in this game, knowledge is the advantage of the wolves. We gain knowledge through voting records and the people who die as a result. I wish there were two choices today, as I feel OK about CW, but since there's not I will vote that way.

I will also, at this time, announce my interest in the Consulship. My families lineage is among the finest in this city and you can count on me to look out for all of our best interests and to fully utilize the office presented to me, to ensure that we find the evil festering in this city.

Vote Barkeep49

My other vote for consul will be forth coming based on who else proves to be a candidate that I can trust.

VOTE KILL CW

Sorry buddy, but we have to see what happens.

WVUFan has asked to withdraw.

By the way, I just want to remind everybody:

There is NO penalty for bidding on services.

What is the impact on our consuls? We have already missed a vote today, do we have an opportunity to fill this role for Day II? Or must we wait for the vote to fill the role beginning on Day III?

If I don't get a replacement player in today, I'll allow the Tribune to temporarily assume the Consul's role.

Is a Consuls term always 2 days?

yes

I won a horseman, but I am not going to say what it does. I am only posting this so that if I need to check somebody out who also got a horse, the fact tha tI got one is known

This decision is easy to make, with only one choice available:

Vote to execute CW

Sad to say, but I am a fan of politics. I would like to see who is "running" for Consul and what they bring to the table. I will vote for who I like best in that regard and am already leaning toward voting for Barkeep, as I like that he came out and said he wanted it. An experienced wolf might do that, but I doubt it this early.

I will keep watching events unfold, but at this time am not thinking I will vote to execute. It seems too likely to play into the traitors' hands, thinning our own ranks to execute blindly. I would like first to find the results of our lawsuits and see if we have any evidence to execute a known traitor.

Again, on our vote for consul I would like to vote for someone who has been cleared by lawsuits at least.

On that note, when do we know the results of our lawsuits? Not until day two ends?

Correct. Although there is little doubt to the outcome of most of them, the results will be posted along with all other Day II results.

Gah! Only getting one lynch candidate sucks. We want to establish some sort of voting pattern but that's a bit difficult when it's either vote for one guy or don't vote for anyone. Coffee is, in all likelihood, a villager but if we don't vote to execute him then we're right back at day one with nothing gained from the day. But with only one candidate there isn't the chance to build up two lynch candidates against each other, so I'm not really sure exactly what is to gain by going for an execution.

I don't like the fact that the wolves will be able to not bother casting a vote here and potentially get the result they're looking for (ie, no result). So if people don't want to lynch Coffee then I would very much like them to come out with an explanation and a formal vote rather than just not bother sending a vote. As we need an absolute majority decision (and my limited experience of WW tells me that that's very difficult to achieve) then we can't allow people to slip through the gaps and wind up with no result as a consequence. I'll be extremely suspicious of anyone who doesn't vote.

In the end I don't really think that we have much of a choice. We either do something or we let the wolves do what they want while we sit on our hands.

Vote to Execute Coffee Warlord

I see it differently. With enemies plotting to poison us, we're going to need all the loyal people we can on hand. We may not make any forward progress by not executing anyone, but we avoid any backward progress by not executing an innocent.

Let's hear from some more people about the mysterious services. Maybe there are things we can use to figure out who the bad guys are.

Peregrine, you're not supposed to edit your posts.

Your argument is the same as used about day one votes. "Chances are we will lynch a villager, ergo we shouldn't have a lynch." I think it's been pretty well documented that not doing anything is playing into the hands of the wolves. Of course, there's a chance that someone will be able to clear Coffee during the day in which case I will change my vote (if I'm still around - if I'm not I'm sure that there won't be a majority vote on him anyway). But barring any firm evidence on the matter we need to start gathering information now, and unfortunately the best way of doing that is by lynching.