Hoops...you always claim im always after you...i havent voted for you early in like 10 games. I actually go out of my way not to vote for you early, for much of the same reason you talked about with me regarding your strat when evil.

I still have no idea who to vote for and we have less than two hours left. anybody with a vote count?

2 - Chief Rum - path12 (185), Tyrith (198)
1 - st.cronin - Chief Rum (179)
1 - bulletsponge - ntndeacon (182)
1 - Blade - st.cronin (183)
1 - DaddyTorgo - bulletsponge (199)

Tyrith, any reason for being the second vote on Chief Rum?

okay, well if there is anything i learned in the past couple of days is that NTN is a hell of a bad guy. so my initial vote goes to him

vote ntndeacon

But if i am on in the next two hours and can prevent a tie, I will do so.

LSG, the sake of getting a second vote and not getting involved in blade/cronin.

I recognize that you don't cast early votes on me often, but I'm sure if I went back looking at games that I'll find a number of "I suspect Hoopsguy" posts based on overly elaborate conspiracy theories. Which normally are not true ...

I wouldn't say you're unique in that regard.

Probably not, Cronin.

So, with a little more than an hour left before the deadline I'll get a vote out there. There are six people with votes already at this point, so I'll stick to that list to see if we can create some kind of meaningful voting patterns. Back with vote after checking a couple of Day 1 posts ...

Cronin, do you want to come back around on this idea at this time? Because I didn't quite follow you at the time and I haven't seen anything since that helps me go where you were leading with this point.

Id actually take challenge to that hoops, looking over the last 5-6 games we have played together. Im not looking for a argument here, just saying i think a lot of people hold beliefs about me i dont feel are based in fact. I used to play you like that, a fair amount of time ago...i dont think i have for some time though.

And cronin, i saw 2 of the 6 for you where i did that..and one of them you were evil. So im not exactly big bad wolf(here im saying i trust you while you call me a wolf)

I'm not a fan of voting bullet, if that means anything to anybody. Does anybody actually think he's a subversive, or is the temptation to vote for him come strictly from roleplay?

I know what he sees, and i put it out there on purpose...he has to ask himself if he think i would do that if evil. I dont think anyone would, but then again most people think im crazy and out to get everyone so maybe

I will not vote bullet...i wanted him marked liberal, becuase he deserved it...but i think hes good

Not much to go on at this point - it feels like we are still stuck on Day 1. The only thing I could really come up with was one person has been almost invisible so far, and that is ImtheCrew. Might just be scheduling, but I think the more people we can get active the quicker we are likely to break out of this funk.

I am shocked, Sister. Truly I am. How could you even imagine that I would defile myself like ...THAT. I shudder at the very thought. I pray for you sister, that you come to your senses.

Let's just say that the "99% positive" is hyperbole, but even since then I have seen some red flags. Nothing I can really go into detail yet. I have a good feeling about 1 (possibly 2, depending on the assumptions I make) player, and a very bad feeling about Blade. Its entirely possible I'm wrong about Blade, though, I don't have anything concrete.

And no, I'm not the seer.

Blade, I'll rephrase - I think I know where Cronin was heading with that and he has backed it with votes for you on back-to-back days. But I wanted to see him put it out there a little more directly if he feels strongly enough to push for getting you listed today.

Now, why would you put that out there on purpose? And do you have some knowledge to back up your statement or is it speculation?

Where Tyrith said he wanted to avoid the matchup between you guys, I would rather explore it without any better options at the moment.

in my last post, the "3rd person" thing I was referring to was if we ended up with two other people on the liberal list or that were drawing votes, I didn't see why a third who was likely good would make any difference.

I really have little to no idea of who to vote for here. But i'm uncomfortable voting for CR given his usual D1 work schedule so I won't be doing that, even in the interest of self-preservation.

i've got nothin really.

Hoops, im not sure which statement exactly your referring to...but in regards to what i was talking about i put it out there to ensure the village has all the information possible that can do it good. If there is info that is best kept secret for now, ill hold it...if there is info that is best in the open, i reveal it. I said what i felt was necessary to be said at the time, and will maintain that policy throughout

I understand that position, Blade. And you are probably right. But if we as a group have any tendencies in recent games, one of them would not to punish early transgressors and to give them a higher benifit of the doubt than they probably deserve. Am I dead set on bullet being a gay? not really, but I am not ready to give her a clear pass today either. Then we are asking a wolf to take advantage of that idea and "make a mistake" in day one thereby clearing themselves.

LoneStarGirl has been moved to the liberal list



EDIT: Forgot to pink up my post

DaddyT, that explanation still doesn't make sense to me. Going into last night I had zero idea about how many people might end up on the Liberal List, and I would expect the same to be true for the majority of the good folks in our town.

I'm expecting that someone who finds their way on the Liberal List has a reasonably good chance of being a "seer" scan this evening. So I don't think putting a vote on someone is a quick path to stoning for a true believer in our Lord and Savior.

I think you and I see things in much the same way.

Blade, do you still feel strongly about voting to stone the first person on the liberal list now that it is actually updated?

I'll say it right now, without something concrete, I'm not willing to stone LoneStarGirl. I will not even consider it.

Cronin, would you be willing to consider stoning someone who appears on the list for reasons unknown overnight? Just trying to see what people's abstract measures are for cleansing the town.

Yes, i have no problem stoning LSG...its the only way were going to get voting records up and going. If i understand things, we can vote to stone LSG and still put another name on the list. I see no reason not to kill lsg, do you?

I would consider it; but I would assume SOMEBODY in the village would know the reason, and I would want to hear from that person.

I am sooo against that idea cronin...if we have roles doing good for us(re: exposing liberals) i see no reason they should reveal.

You and i seem to be on the exact opposite of every idea

You only have one vote. Stone or put someone on the list.

No reason not to, other than feeling bad about doing it over a fairly small slip in her post. But this is werewolf and we play the hands we are dealt.

VOTE/STONE LONESTARGIRL

Can we do both the stoning and the liberalizing vote today, or no, Anxiety?

I'll stick around for another five minutes or so to hear if people have really strong thoughts on this (including Blade and Cronin, who have already staked out positions) but will be out for awhile after that.

I am all for lynches early on, how else will we gain information.

You only have so many hands. Your hands can toss stoned or can cast votes.

STONE LSG

i guess. I don't feel confident about it or anything, but one way or another it's progress

Well, in theory roles can discover information. And we don't have any keen insight into the capabilities of them gays to attack our community just yet.

I agree with your point on a large scale, and agree with enough specific to this game to cast the stoning vote, but I think there is room for reasonable people to disagree in this game.

Anxiety, we can only vote or stone...but will both vote counts be counted and processed. Meaning if half vote to stone one person, and the other half vote to add so and so...will both things happen?

You can't seriously think lynches are the only way for us to collect information.

If it's all we have at this point and it will get the ball moving then I say we do the stoning.

VOTE STONE - LoneStarGirl

tell me how early in the game other ways to gain information?

If we never lynch people please tell me another way to gain info unless the seer/ bodyguard/ or some other important role comes out.

Is that your goal?

Also is a vote to put somebody on the liberal list the same as voting "no stoning". Otherwise, it looks like LSG is getting stoned.

my count:

liberals
2 - Chief Rum - path12 (185), Tyrith (198)
1 - st.cronin - Chief Rum (179)
1 - bulletsponge - ntndeacon (182)
1 - Blade - st.cronin (183)
1 - DaddyTorgo - bulletsponge (199)\
1 - ntndeacon - LoneStarGirl (205)

stoners
3 - LoneStarGirl - hoopsguy (232), Lathum (233), DaddyTorgo (238), Ironhead (242)

Its day 2, so unless your suggesting the seer reveal already then it really is the only way. He said early in his post, and i agree with him 100%. You said your not the seer, so how else besides lynches do you suppose you will gather information?

I've said this in other games: no lynch > lynching a good guy. Now, this is not a universal, but I think it applies here.

It would be one thing if there was some question about LSG - as it is, she's on the list pretty much at random, and there are other players about whom there are some questions - Blade, DT, Tyrith, etc.

So St. Cronin. Are you saying we shouldn't lynch LSG?

No, no, no, no. I seriously think you are trying to mislead the village.

What questions are there about me and tyrith? even DT?

There are questions about everyone, especially you...

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying.

dola, I don't think it makes a difference though. Since she's the only one on the list, my guess is that even one vote gets her stoned.

Yeah...the voting rules are really weird....but I'm getting out of it what cronin is, at the moment. Which is kind of scary.

Ill say this to cronin, just in case the small chance happened. If you failed, that does not make it a bad thing.

hmmm, that makes it 2-2 me and Chief for the list.

Very bizarre move by Blade there - he endorses my strategy, and votes to put me on the subversive list, putting me in the position of maybe my vote off him.

I didnt support your strategy at all..LSG is dead...if we have to vote a person onto the liberal list as well, im toying with who i want there. Unless i hear a certain response, i see no reason for it not to be you

Rules clarification would be really nice...otherwise I'm probably going to retract my vote on Rum because it's highly pointless and was designed only to stop us from having another day where nothing useful happens.

A certain response to what? Go ahead, put me on the liberal list. It would be a good thing for the village to see that I am a red-blooded god-fearing American, because then the fingers will be pointing at you. Me getting stoned with a wolf leading the charge would be the best contribution I can make to the village.

If you dont know in response to what, it greatly eases my mind about voting you.

UNVOTE RUM

I'm staying out of this now.

*shrug*

You play your game, I play mine. I'm not taking my vote off you, even if I could save myself.

Save yourself? Im not voting to kill you...

I hope you know, this is all a game...you know im not serious, im just having fun and working the mental game

You can vote for one or the other. Liberal list subs for stoning if no stoning goes forth.

What I mean is, I have no fear of being put on the list. In fact, I welcome it.

Oh...so both dont take place....well then your as safe as could be cronin, whether thats good or bad

dola

I know that sounds like I'm hinting at a Duke role, but I'm not.

UNVOTE STONE LSG


so what can I do with cronin? vote him liberal?

VOTE LABEL ST. CRONIN LIBERAL

explanation:

I don't see why cronin is trying to point the finger at me, let alone all thse other people. I feel better about that then stoning LSG.

good, bring it on ... I love it when the guys I'm suspicious of come after me

suspicious? what have I done to raise suspiscion?

Just finished watching a major game winning play by my WVU! I'll get caught up in a second

"3rd", followed by an unconvincing explanation.

Okay results to follow.

During the day, your eyes turn towards your neighbors with suspicion. No one slips up, and with no additional information, the sun winds its way across the sky with alacrity.

However, late in the day, one of your membership slips. It’s just a crack, but it’s enough to put her on the liberal list. One of you affirms that she is disharmonious.

Although only one or two of you begin the stoning, the rest of you quickly add your strength to the few that began. Within minutes, skin bursts, blood flows, and a modest cairn covers the spot where LoneStarGirl fell.


Day Two has ended. Night Two has begun and will end at 2:00 am.


Okay let’s talk about the rules for a second. When I created the concept of the liberal list, it was merely a tweak of a previous existing werewolf mechanic, the jail, wherein only people in jail may be killed. The liberal list is a jail.

I added several game mechanics to make sure that there were enough people on the list to keep the game flow going. Some of those mechanics you know about, others you do not. I had created behind the scenes rules in case things didn’t go right, and that included what I called the “J’accuse” rule, which you have now seen.

However, things behind the scenes have gone very unpredictably, including Night Zero. So I am stopping and writing this for a few seconds. Let’s get all of the uncertainty out of the water, and I’ll tweak the J’Accuse rule. All tweaks below are designed to replace previously stated rules.

During the day, you may vote to stone or vote to place a person on the liberal list. Not both. Stone votes may only be cast for someone already on the liberal list.

If a person is placed on the liberal list, you may change your vote to stone that person at any time during the day.

At the end of the day, you will stone the person on the liberal list with the greatest amount of stone votes. In the case of a tied stone vote, an undisclosed method will be used to determine the victim. Even one stone votes trumps J’accuse.

If there are no stone votes, either because you chose not to vote for someone on the list or because no one is on the list, then the highest vote getter gets placed on the liberal list. In the case of a tie, no one does.

Okay, hope that helps. If you need more questions answered, please ask.

NICE. WE GOT ONE!

Well, I was definitely not expecting that. She was gay!

What??? A Day 1 (OK, technically Day 2) kill for the good guys? Inconceivable!

Our community is one step closer to purity! Surely this was divine guidance.

Well, take providence when it is given to us.

been awhile since we got a bad guy on the first day

This post strikes me as important. "past couple of days," what does that mean?

I'm assuming she meant games but it could be a slip up

That was my assumption at first, as well. LSG only made like 6 posts in the entire thread, and I haven't really found anything else.

cronin...i know you dont want me to say it, but you stating you wouldnt even consider lynching LSG at a time when she had no votes looks pretty bad now

duh

well fuck :D

I can't say that I understand what you mean by that statement. Can you elaborate for the rest of us?

excellent! one of those god-hating fags down!!

do we want to look at ntn anyways, based on the fact that that may have been an actual slipup by LSG?

To be honest, im not sure how to at the current time...i was moderately worried cronin had a certain role that had a reason to suspect me(a good role, and a small chance). I made a comment to him before that to test my theory, and he had no idea what i was talking about. Therefore, cronin was not the good role i thought possible and as such i felt better about my vote. I was trying to understand his seeming crusade for me 2 days on now, had an idea, and it was proven false.

I know this all doesnt make much sense...it will when i reveal later in the game(which based on my role im pretty sure i will have to) i hope. Until then, you simply have to trust im not a outcast of gods perfect flock.

If I had a role that could interact with you, Blade, you would probably have known about it by now.

No, i wouldnt

I see. No, sorry, I don't.

*Shakes head in confusion*

No kidding.

Cronin, i dont think your in a position to be judging me...i was the first person to say openly we should lynch LSG, you were the one defending her.

So be confused, but dont try to spin this around on me. Ive tried to drop hints all game long to my role, and you continue to seem to be pro-role reveal. You will say your not, of course...but ive seen a few comments now that were pro role reveal. Ive already said too much, and i dont intend to say more for the time being.

The morning sun brings a scream of fear from Almost Heaven, West Virginia. A bolt of adrenaline tears through your bodies. All of you spring forth, hastily put on clothes, and dash out the doors of your houses.

Just inside the treeline you find the place where the scream came. The doors are wide open, and you enter Marie O’Connolly’s house. You follow the sounds of crying and enter her bedroom. There you find her hatchet buried in her head. Her hands have been tied together in a praying formation, and the Bible is open to a particular page. Underlined in the blood of the victim is the passage:

Hebrews 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

The group of you quietly bury her body and say a quick service over her body. Many of you refuse to trade glances or talk much about her. You see, on the way out of her house, you stepped over cluttered cassette tapes and CDs. Someone accidentally kicked down a stack and they were all over the floor. As you gaped down, you saw titles like, “Iron Maiden,” “Slayer,” and “Metallica.”


Night Two has ended. Day Three has begun and will end at 9:00 pm EST Wednesday night.

This is an outright lie. I know what statements you are talking about, and the fact you continue to not understand what I am saying makes me more and more sure that you are a wolf. This is not a case of disagreeing about strategy; if you were NOT a wolf, I believe you would understand the points I have made. That you have not greatly worries me.

Cronin, i am not a simple villager...if you are claiming to have no role, thats fine. But my role is unique in this game, of that im fairly sure. So if you believe yourself to have the universal role, i hope others can clear you. But dont expect me to believe a word you say any time soon.

VOTE TO THE LIST ST. CRONIN

Was vehemently against the LSG lynch, and has hinted at a special role all game...but is now hinting that he is the universal role all good guys should know. I just cant keep track of all his flip-flops.

Evil is either trying to set up NTN, or clear him...i cant tell which...not only did LSG vote NTN, but it was NTN who was aggresively pursuing bulletsponge yesterday. It seems to be a little to coincidental for my tastes