This is incorrect. I was merely saying that my best guess as to what role hoopsguy was hinting at, it didn't make any sense for him to hint at it. I was simply pointing out what I thought was an odd play.

I have said that I did not get any information last night, but of course some people got information last night. That's what night 0 is for, to allow certain roles to get a jump on the rest of us.

The comments barkeep made were suspicious, but knowing barkeep, for him to go after hoopsguy on day 1 is suprising to me. So i take it as more then just a random day 1 vote...which side is evil, i dont know..but i at least felt it seemed anything but random

One can argue that none of us are angels. Most are prostitues, or people who visit prostitutes.

Wrong.

Where have I said I have no night actions?

Not from my perspective. My plans got canceled so I'm around for the night after all.

Oh, ok. What information did I get last night?

Night 0, in general, is a game period in which players with actions can gain information. I have never seen one where players were killed, so i would agree that night 0 is a time for players to get a jump start on gaining information.

While im not a fan of most of cronin's comments here-to-fore, that one in particular threw up no red flags for me. Care to elaborate?

Blade, you got your wish - Barkeep is now viewing the thread as well. So you can ask him directly about his vote, or ask me to provide additional information.

But I do have to leave in about 10 minutes and I'll be watching the Illini game this evening. So if you want new info from me before about 9PM CST I would ask that you ask quickly.

So why do you want to visit a prostitute? You don't have to answer this if you don't want, but I was wondering what would make someone visit a whore.

You said night 0 was for certain roles to get a jump on the rest of us. I said that was wrong. I am a regular joe and I had night actions on night 0.

To know who is on the side of the "good".

To be honest, i dont want to ask you a thing. For the time being im going to work under the assumption i know what role your playing and worry about other things in the short run. I would very much like to lean more about barkeep, and i figured with him gone you could help me there. With him back, you have fun watching the illini.

To expand, I believe everyone has night actions in this game. I'm sure my small role is duplicated, so my death is a small matter compared to one of the named roles.

So far I have been accused of claiming to be surprised that people had night actions, which I never said, and that I claimed to have no night actions, which I never said.

So people are voting for me based on things I never said.

All I have ever said is that I got no information last night, and that people who did get information should share it.

Just as a point of clarification, I did not see Fouts at all last night. So when I suggested not voting for him, it was because I think the 5 shillings comment is easily verifiable either today or tomorrow at latest. It would be a dumb lie for a good player to be caught in on Day 1.

So I would prefer not voting for Fouts, me, or three other players. Right now there is a total of one vote spread across those other three players.

What makes you think "regular joe" is not a "certain role"? :p

Barring a Barkeep role reveal I do not think it is a good idea to vote Hoops today. I think there is enough information out there to make a solid guess as to his role.

I'll put a vote on someone who is not on my list of trust right now and who did not in any way identify himself upon his arrival. Beyond that, there is no real reason for suspicion - there are about six people who fit the above profile.

I don't think people should take this with any more weight than I'm suggesting. I've got a slightly better chance on a random guess than some other players in the game right now but that is it.

VOTE SWAGGS

And with that I'm out until probably after the deadline. Time to go back to work. I'm sticking with my Saldana vote, its random, but thats all I feel like we got at this point.

Caught up on the day. Its moved a bit slower than I expected it to. Not sure on why things were fairly quiet today.

Just from my initial reading of day 1, this is my feelings on people so far.



Feel ok:

Fouts
BrianD
Raiders Army

Leaning to ok:
Hoops
Path

Leaning to not ok:
St.Cronin
Bulletsponge
Barkeep

Everyone else I don't really have a feel for yet.

I'm going to only be here occasionally tonight and might miss the final 2 hours. Right now I am leaning towards voting for Izulde, however can vote St.Cronin if thats the way people run.

If people wonder why Izulde when he is not on my list of people I am getting suspicious of, its mostly a day 1 vote more random than anything else. He stated he would be here off and on today, however it appears its been more off than on, and hasn't been around to even comment on Bullet's vote for him for about 15 seconds earlier today. Izulde would be more of a day 1 hunch vote for me based on very little right now, and my normal desire to vote for a "newer" player to start with till we figure out the evidence.

Because I think there are multiple prostitutes, and multiple people who visit prostitutes. I am certain there are 2-5 people just like me in this game.

Why are you leaning towards "not ok" with me? Because I was surprised people got information on night 0, or because I claimed to have no night actions?

Because, you know, neither one of those things is true.

Cronin, I can't answer for others, but I will explain why you independantly ended up on my starting to suspect list as best as I can. from these posts:



This was the initial post. It by itself didn't seem like a big deal to me. I also have no information to provide today, so this seemed fine to me.



This is the first ping on my radar today. You seem that Hoops is hinting at a role because he got information on night 0. This would tell me that you would expect some players in the game wouldn't be able to gain any kind of information at all.

I know I probably have one of the most simple basic roles in the game, and still I know that I have a way to get information at nights if I choose to do it. I chose to not pursue that option and instead spent some money in a different manner. The fact I as an "ordinary villager" type role has the ability to get information, that tells me that you aren't an ordinary villager. This alone doesn't make you bad, but it makes me wonder what you are exactly.


This is follow up on my belief that you feel some people can't get information. True, not everyone got information on night 0, I as well didn't so that part of your statement isn't what bothers me, its more the inferrance that you had that others who did get info are hinting at roles, which I do not think is the case this game.

See my below post, was putting it together when you posted this. Like I said in it, Its not based on anything you claimed, more the red flag I got from your "suggestion" that people who got information night 0 = roles. It at least tells me you aren't ordinary like me.

cronin and barkeep are both acting a little weird for my tastes. I know, cronin ALWAYS acts weird, but this seems to be bad weird to me. Putting information out there on Day 1 seems not so smart when we don't have much reason to do so.

That makes no sense, Alan. You say that you got no information on night 0, and you're just a regular joe, and since I claimed to get no information on night 0, therefore I have a role.

Of course I have a role. I haven't said what that role is, but I am on the side of good. Do you deny that hoopsguy was hinting at a role? All I was doing with that was trying to figure out what role hoops was hinting at.

VOTE BARKEEP

He has acted strange for my tastes today...his vote hinted at more, but has given nothing. Barkeep doesnt make moves like that one day one usually, and he is usually good...

I agree that there is a best time and place for information, and I am going to assume that nobody has the ability to finger a bad guy today, since nobody has. But is it so odd that somebody with zero information would look for some help from people WHO CLAIM TO HAVE INFORMATION on where to put his vote?

unvote ntndeacon
vote Barkeep

I was pretty baffled by Barkeep's play, as well. I really prefer to lynch a quiet player on day 1, and that's not Barkeep, but it looks like this is one of those games where everybody wants to lynch the more active types.

*sigh*

To be honest, i dont get this comment...those are 2 of the few players NOT putting information out there...most everyone else is doing their best to give away all the cards they hold to the bad guys.

(If you cant notice, im not a fan of publicizing secret alliances i have newly formed until it can deal a blow to the bad guys...today is not the right time for us to be sharing all of our night 0 visits if you ask me, as it only makes the bad guys job of finding the good roles that much easier if you assume they are doing other things at night besides scoring some tail)

Who has been quiet? Has anyone not checked in yet?...besides, we had a night 0, so its not a normal day 1. If someone can account for barkeep, then ill move my vote. Ive heared no one vouch for him, and seen him hint at something against someone i have pegged into a role somewhat

You only make it a game like that if you vote for people who say a lot.

Blade: You have this mindset of how I play. And then I step out of that. Like the time when I was a good guy and you were convinced, convinced you told me, that I was a bad guy because I was being quiet. Except I was a good guy.

I'm always trying out new things. I am a good guy. Period. I'm sorry that I'm stepping outside your comfort zone with a throwaway vote on hoops. I would love a better candidate, but one hasn't emerged so far.

Yet you want someone to vouch for me? If we shouldn't publicize secret alliances then you shouldn't expect someone to vouch for me.

Actually, you were evil that game...if im not mistaken, it was the game dubb pulled his turncoat 2 for 1 swap and won the game for evil. All game i said you were bad, no one believed me, and you ended up bad...am i mistaken, or are you referencing a different game.

I am fairly certain though in the game i reference, the one i time i can remember going balls to the wall on you, you were bad and did enough for no one to support me

What about the guy I initially voted for, ntn? Or Izulde? Or Raiders, or Schmidty, or ... there's plenty of folks who have been quiet.

I dont want anyone to vouch for you, no...i would have prefered no one said anything about their actions until later in the game. Just like the seer, i prefer he not reveal until late when he can be truly helpful.

Though, whats done is done and i cannot ignore what is out there. I dont want people to share, but i must consider those that have.

And if you can get anyone to vote for them ill oblige. Right now though i see barkeep as my best bet of my suspects to get a lynch, of which we need 1/3 of the total population.

Like I said, my suspicion of you isnt based on you getting information on night 0 or not. Just the way it felt that people getting info on night 0 = a role. I don't really like lynching vets on day 1 which is why I wasn't really pushing for you, just trying to give an explanation of why you feel suspicious to me.

You seem to be reacting really strongly to me when I was doing as you requested, just answering on what my feelings were based on.

The one time you went balls to the wall you were right, that is true. I'm talking a different game, I want to say around XXXV or so when I hardly posted. You were convinced this was a sign of my evil. I try out different things in different games. One only need look at the way I played Schmidty's Thing game compared to most of my games for proof of that. I try not to play the same game twice and so I'm not playing the same game twice here.

I would really prefer not to lynch Barkeep blindly. I'm going to move onto Izulde, who Alan and somebody else pointed out as being somewhat suspicious, and who has been quiet.

unvote Barkeep
vote Izulde

I doubt I'll vote for Barkeep today, even if it means us missing a lynch. I don't really like lynching our better players on day 1 hunches. I agree Barkeep has seemed really suspicious today to me, but I don't really want to vote for him. I said earlier I would move to St.Cronin if thats where people went, but I think in hindsight, I would rather avoid him too. Both are the most suspicious feeling to me so far today, but I am often wrong on hunches and would rather wait till I had more information to play so strongly on a hunch.

I'll throw a vote out for now

Vote Izulde

based on what I said earlier. I'll be around another hour or so and can move it if there is a better path to take tonight.

It gets tiring being seen as suspicious for the same reasons game after game, is all. Making my thought process public is just something I'm going to have to learn not to do.

I don't really want to lynch someone out of the cronin/blade/barkeep mess right now because it's another one of those weird fights we can use slightly later on to help us figure out possible alliances, once people take up sides around it a little better. It doesn't seem like something that's going to go away, so why rush it when there's a big chance we'll learn more tonight or tomorrow night?

That said, I could probably still be convinced to lynch Barkeep; he's the most suspicious of the three right now to me. But I'm not in a hurry to do it just because of that one post. Barkeep is certainly capable of varying his play, so I'm not going to lynch him just because of that either.

That brings us back to the old UTR game, but I don't know if we can get much gas behind it at this point. Everyone that has soaked a random vote actually seems to be at least mildly talkative now that cronin moved his vote from NTN. Suggestions?

Oh, the irony!

VOTE IZULDE

I really wish you wouldn't take what I say and then say I'm doing something else.

There are plenty of vocal people out there, and I'm not after any of them. Some of the most vocal people have made my somewhat trusted early list. Others have fallen onto the not early trusted list. The others are in the unknown list.

Who am I voting for? Someone super active? No someone who has been quiet after saying he would be around some during the day. The reason you are suspicious is because the way you felt and made it fairly obvious to me that you dont have the "normal" role that I have. Whether that role you have is good or bad, I'm not sure but it feels very obvious to me that you don't have a generic role at least.

I was willing to leave our discussion as it was with my giving my thoughts on why I felt you were suspicious so far today, and you giving a rebuttle.. but don't come and mischaracterize my suspicion on you. Its absolutely crazy to think I would be after lynching active players on day 1. To even suggest that just feels really off to me. If anyone, I should be known for day 1 going after the Under the radar folks, the newer players, the ones I know the least about. Now you are just making up things.

Dola,

I should have dolaed that vote, it would have been much cooler.

UNVOTE BARKEEP

VOTE IZULDE

Like i promised

That bolded part is what I have problems with. It's not just certain roles that can get information, it's most every role as far as I can tell (at least for good).

vote bullet

random day one vote

OOC:I have an ASU basketball game tonight so I won't be on much more tonight

No, I'm not making things up, but I don't want to have this fight again, honey.

You characterized me as being at least somewhat suspicious. I said "huh?" You pointed to an instance of me thinking out loud, trying to generate some conversation. You know, the stuff I do every game, and end up on the hot seat every game.

For what it's worth, I don't think you, or any of the other active players like Barkeep, hoops, etc., are particularly suspicious yet. And I'm going to move out of my defensive mode now. I'm also going to keep my thoughts to myself for a while now.

Interesting bandwagon voting there. I consider all 4 of you suspicious.

If you believe that EVERY GOOD ROLE gets information on night 0, then you should vote for me. Your assumption will be proven wrong.

I hope you find me the most so, im still trying to figure out who will be my fight this game :p

I call day 3! :D

I have information about Izulde telling me he is not who we want to lynch.

The 4 votes on Izulde have been notified. Do what you will.

Oh, if only the four of us could be wolves together. That would be fun. Based on your other post:

unvote Izulde
vote ntndeacon

dola correction

unvote Izulde
vote ntndeacon

I'm not saying all 4 are wolves, but good chance 1 of you are.

cronin, I didn't find you suspicious for making your thought process public, I found you suspicious because I saw some discrepancies with what I know to be true. I did say that it was just slightly better than a random reason, but I'm not on any big push to get you lynched. I just needed you to clarify your thoughts.

That said, I'm not going to switch just for the sake of switching. I don't really have a better reason to go on right now, but I would most likely switch if there was a swing your way that looked like it would get to 1/3.

UNVOTE IZULDE

VOTE BARKEEP

Back to where i was

Fair enough. Like I said, I'm playing hunches and trying to minimalize damage of being wrong on day 1.

Unvote Izulde
Vote Jonathan E.

I'll go option #2 for me then. He and Schmidty both have been as quiet as Izulde, and JE is newer.

JE has made 2 posts this game: "In" and "Checking In."

He was a bit more involved in the discussion last game and impressed me a good bit as a new player last game.

I'll hitch my horse to the Alan T train, for good or ill -

unvote ntndeacon
vote Jonathan Ezrarik

If you put our exchange in context, you were objecting to someone saying that night 0 gave certain roles a jump on everyone else. My observation is that there's no reason "average joe" (or, in this case, "average John" ;)) shouldn't be one of those "certain roles" that gets a jump.

my head hurts so many changes. i for one did nothing last night and have no information to add to this witch hunt

We need 1/3, so im prob. going to follow Alan onto JE, though JE is here now

I haven't been around all afternoon, true. I had some work I had to get done before I could get back online. In the last game I had some idea who was good (you) so it was a bit easier to get into the flow of things. This game I have no idea. I know I'm good, but that's it.

I'm still trying to figure out who to lynch tonight, but I think we have to lynch someone. My original instinct was to go after Barkeep, but I would like to keep him around. Part of me wants to go after ntndeacon because of last game (:) ) and part of me wants to lynch st.cronin because he keeps jumping all over the place. I'm going to wait and think this over dinner before I vote.

Following players have not voted yet, afaict:

DaddyTorgo
Schmidty
saldana
Lathum
Jonathon
BrianD
LoneStarGirl
RaidersArmy
Izulde

Deadline in 50 minutes. Bunch of people need to get a vote in.

Yeah, Fouts, okay, we'll see how it goes. I'll vote for another quiet person that's taking some votes.

UNVOTE IZULDE
VOTE NTN

unvote Fouts

vote BrianD

i will vote for someone whom hasnt posted yet. its as good as any

For the record, Brian was here earlier today.

two things:

i am relatively certain hoopsguy is a townsperson

i have nothing definitive as far as information, but i am very suspicious of alan t

vote alan t

I believe the votes are:


3 way tie right now. How many are needed for lynch? 8?

Gonna be tough to get 8 tonight with that spread.

Well, that was a long read...At this point I don't know who to suspect. I was leaning towards Barkeep initially, but I like to keep games separate in my mind and it's pretty easy since I haven't played a game in a while.

Now, I would normally vote for a quiet person but there are two problems with that:

1. I would be a hypocrite (although I did say I would be out most of the day and I got caught in some bad traffic when I gave one of my contractors a ride home :mad:).
2. It wouldn't make a difference in the lynch vote.

Because of reason #2, I'm going to cast a vote for Barkeep. This is primarily because of the suspicion previously and because (more so) I feel bad about going after Blade in a previous game. :)

VOTE BARKEEP

I'll be bold and break the 3 way tie:

Vote Jonathan Ezrarik


If anyone can give me a good reason to not vote for him, I'll change my vote.

As far as people sighting me as being inactive today, I'll respond by saying - When am I not inactive in the first few days?

Have to vote for someone.


Vote ntndeacon

Oops.

Vote Jonathan Ezrarik

Hey, if you're going to vote for me, at least spell my name right. :)

vote barkeep

seems hoops may be onto something. if nothing else it will give us some info down the road

Yes 8.

Umm when you say hoops is on to something what do you mean Lathum? Hoops voted for Swaggs even after I voted for him.

Schmidty,

I wish I could give you a good reason not to vote for me. Unfortunately, I don't have anything information to save myself. You'll just have to take my word that I'm good. Or as good as can be in this world. I know my word isn't worth anything, but that's all I've got.

A lot of action in the past few minutes...after thinking about it for a sec, I'm changing my vote to see what happens now:

UNVOTE BARKEEP
VOTE JONATHAN EZARIK

I certainly do not understand in the least why we would vote off a player of Barkeep's ability day 1 without any real reason besides the typical day 1 hunch. We wouldn't do that to hoops or Blade. Well, OK, maybe Blade.... ;-)

He will not be getting my vote.

looks like it'll be a wild finish

So 20 minutes til deadline and it seems we're headed towards a no-lynch. I hate that.

unvote path12

Vote Jonathan E.

BrianD, DaddyTorgo, Izulde, and LSG haven't voted.

For the record, DaddyTorgo had some work stuff and LSG said she didn't have internet access at home.

well, we need 1/3 so...

UNVOTE BARKEEP

VOTE JONATHAN E.

By the way, thanks raiders :)

And boooo path ;)

Both of your comments garnered comments back lol

We have 6 on JE, need 2 more

And yet people gladly took their votes off Izulde just because Fouts said so. Interesting.

It looks like I'm the one to go, and that's cool. I'm all for a lynch tonight, and while I hoped it wouldn't be me, so be it. I hope you guys learn something from this because you're about to lose one good guy.

At this point, let's get it on. I'm sorry if JE's a good guy but sometimes you have to break some eggs to make an omlette.

Are you a special role? It sure doesnt sound like it, but now would be a good time to speak up. If your not, dont lie..it will only hurt the team in the long run

well, we all know what i think of 'no lynch situations'

unvote alan
vote Jonathan E


note: i still dont like alan, but i like days with no lynches even less

Izulde was last on at 1:26, so I'm not sure if that means anything.

I understand, RA. I just find it odd that people are so quick to believe Fouts for no reason.

On that note:

UNVOTE ntndeacon

VOTE Izulde

Ummmm...3:26 PM EST, 1:26 my time.