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Again, I think you're missing a certain "history" with her. I don't know THAT much about her, but I know enough to know that she is...... i'll be PC even.... "eccentric" compared to her peers.... You have to keep in mind that these guys from GA probably think having to explain the intricate details of this is like being questioned by someone when you say "Carrot Top is NOT funny" to provide details. |
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Haven't I read in this thread that she slapped him on the cheek and that he told her three times to stop before he tried to restrain her?
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I don't think it matters what her history was. Labeling as racism actions which are what law enforcement is supposed to be doing is pretty far out. It needs some sort of support.
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Capitol police ask for arrest warrant for McKinney
Black leaders say McKinney victim of racial profiling By BOB KEMPER, S.A. REID The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Published on: 04/03/06 WASHINGTON — Capitol Hill police on Monday asked a federal prosecutor to approve an arrest warrant for Rep. Cynthia McKinney for her role in a scuffle with a police officer last week, the prosecutor's office confirmed. Capitol Police had no immediate comment so it's not yet known whether the intent is to file felony or misdemeanor assault charges against McKinney, a DeKalb County Democrat. Coz Carson, a spokesman for McKinney, said the requested warrant should be dismissed if "this is a prosecutor who's not a politician." "Any prosecutor with any sense can look at this thing and understand that it's something that should be blown out of proportion any further," Carson said. The office of the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, Kenneth Wainstein, must approve the request by Capitol Hill police before police can go to a judge to ask for an arrest warrant. Officials familiar with the process have said a warrant can be obtained within a day, though that doesn't mean a warrant against McKinney would be. McKinney was stopped by a Capitol Hill police officer last Wednesday as she tried to go around a security checkpoint in a House office building. Members of Congress are allowed to go around the ubiquitous checkpoints, but the police officer failed to recognize McKinney as a member of Congress and tried to stop her. After calling to McKinney to stop, the officer touched her shoulder or arm. That prompted McKinney to spin around and the strike the officer, though there are conflicting reports as to whether she slapped him, punched him in the chest or struck him with a cell phone. McKinney was not wearing a special lapel pin given to members of Congress to make them easier to identify. She also has changed her hairstyle since her official House portrait, the picture police would check to identify her. Also Monday, black preachers, elected officials and activists in Atlanta cited McKinney's recent run-in with Capitol police as an example of racial profiling and called what happened to her disrespectful. Concerned Black Clergy of Metropolitan Atlanta, along with members of the Georgia Association of Black Elected Officials, announced their continued support for the sixth-term congresswoman at a morning meeting. Supporters say the incident has been blown out of proportion and politicized. Her treatment, they added, was excessive and shows that black elected officials aren't immune to problems of double standards and racial profiling other African-Americans face. "Racial profiling is a well thought out and planned attack on black political leaders," state Rep. Alberta Abdul-Salaam said Monday. "It's going from the gold dome down to the White House. It's happening and it's wrong." McKinney was in attendance at the morning meeting and said she was grateful for the support. She would not comment on the incident, but instead focused on the work her office is doing on behalf of her 4th District constituents. "You can rest assured I'm doing the work that you sent me to Washington to do," McKinney said. "Nothing is going to keep me away from my responsibility." |
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Did anyone see Jon Stewart's response ?
"I believe in judging people not on the colors of their skin, but on their character. And you are batshit insane. " |
House Democrats are now starting to distance themselves from her. One article I saw said the Pelosi and Cynthia are no longer on speaking terms. Even the AJC wrote an anti-Cynthia editorial today:
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Isn't the AJC the paper that has Cal "good ol " Thomas as one of its writers ? I think the article is fine, but is there something about the AJC's politics I'm unaware of (genuine question) ?
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This one shocked me:
This is a big deal? Sure shouldn't be Published on: 04/05/06 There is a lot of bad news in black America. After a decade of rising affluence, poverty (among blacks and whites) is on the upswing. Marriage is out of fashion, but diabetes, hypertension and heart failure are not. We die sooner than whites. And black men remain disproportionately shut out of the mainstream — unemployed, on drugs, in prison. So if black activists and political leaders are looking for matters crying out for redress or reform or fairness, I could give them a list. Cynthia McKinney's complaints would not be on it. If you're going to call a press conference and muster such prominent supporters as Harry Belafonte and Danny Glover, you ought to be sure the issue is important enough to command national attention. You should save that sort of clarion call for the most serious matters — renewing the Voting Rights Act or raising the minimum wage so that more black men can support their children. The precious spotlight of national news coverage should not be wasted on a spoiled and demanding congresswoman who thinks she's the Soul Queen of Capitol Hill. Nor should the Abrams tank of political warfare — the charge of "racism" — be rolled out to fight every minor battle. Racism is a shadow of its former self, but it lives yet. You see it in the high rates of harsh discipline meted out to black boys in public schools. You can also see it in the disproportionate numbers of black men sent to prison for crimes they didn't commit. Certainly, the legacy of racism is alive and well. You can see it in the self-destructive behavior of so many young black men — the internecine violence, the distorted self-esteem, the worship of thug culture. You can see the legacy of racism in the enduring rates of poverty and poor health among black citizens. But McKinney's trumped-up charge of racism merely cheapens the term, so that it's less effective when it's needed to discuss genuine discrimination. Immediately after the episode, McKinney — uncharacteristically, to be sure — issued a statement of regret, saying, "I know that Capitol Hill Police are securing our safety, and I appreciate the work that they do." But within hours, her stance had changed as she rallied supporters to her side to defend her against the depredations of a racist white police state. (Now, I can understand McKinney's frustration over the fact that she is often unrecognized. I share that frustration. More times than I can count, I've been mistaken for McKinney, criticized for things she said or given advice about my braids. In fact, while McKinney wore braids until recently, I haven't worn them since sixth grade. Still, I've never slapped or slugged anyone who confused me with her. But if this keeps up, that could change.) Last month, The New York Times ran a front-page story outlining the dire social and economic prospects for young black men. According to a number of recent academic studies, black men, despite the obvious successes of a few, are falling further and further behind, locked in place as a permanent underclass. "Especially in the country's inner cities, the studies show, finishing high school is the exception, legal work is scarcer than ever and prison is almost routine, with incarceration rates climbing for blacks even as urban crime rates have declined," the article said. I waited for somebody to call a press conference. I waited for Jesse and Al to take to the streets demanding public policies that would bring black men into the mainstream. I looked for responses from the usual suspects — the NAACP, the Urban League and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. I heard nothing. But a misunderstanding between a second-rate member of Congress and a Capitol Hill police officer has apparently become a full-blown crisis. So maybe I'm wrong about all of this. Perhaps I just need to adjust my perspective. Perhaps the fact that one-third of young black men have police records is not a problem. Maybe the fact that 70 percent of black children are born outside the bonds of marriage is no big deal, and a 72 percent unemployment rate among black male high school drop-outs in their 20s does not signal a crisis. Maybe the serious decline in the marriage rate among black adults does not suggest the demise of a community. No, indeed. The biggest problem facing black America involves a white cop who wouldn't give a black woman her props. • Cynthia Tucker is the editorial page editor. Her column appears Wednesdays and Sundays. |
Shocking maybe, but definitely spot on.
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This is the proper response. This is what someone who is not a "barking loon" says in such a situation. End of. |
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Dang. I had heard snippets of it, but just watched it all the way through. They both got pretty pissy there at the end. Soledad sounded like she was ready for a straight-up catfight, especially the way she delivered the last line of the interview.
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Perhaps a Soledad vs. Cynthia could be the undercard to the Rosie O'Donnel vs. Naomi Campbell bout... |
'much ado about a hairdo'???
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'we're not the ones who turned this into a criminal matter' hahahahaha
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'we don't know what happened' hahahahaha
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I don't think that woman has a brain in her head.
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I applaude Soledad for this interview. Love the straight-shooting style.
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The more I read about this lady, the more and more I believe she is just not in touch with reality. She can only blame herself for the situation. She forgot the pin, not the police officer. I wonder if a hispanic member of Congress did what she did and got roughed up a little bit, would Cynthia come running crying racism? I'm thinking....no.
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Anyone else think that about 30s in, the other lawyer who phoned in was like: "Oh, shit, I've got to get in there..." |
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I agree with her calling McKinney to task for invoking the race card. McKinney ultimately hurts real victims of racism, who will face more trouble finding someone willing to pay attention. But I see a lot of problematic messages here. Why is it only a shame when the violence is internecine (against other black people)? Why did she have to qualify that particular noun? How does she know who was sent to prison for crimes they didn't commit? Does the FBI keep statistics? If young black men have such distorted self-esteem, and such worship of thug culture, then why isn't it surprising that they are more often disciplined in the schools? I think Tucker is contributing to the same problem as McKinney. She wants different standards applied based on race. In each case, the harm to the cause is similar. McKinney trivializes racism in the workplace. And Tucker trivializes inner-city crime rates. Tucker may be more dangerous. She's obviously more intelligent than McKinney, who is easy to dismiss as a nutjob. And her message encourages the black community to protect and excuse its violent element. Nothing keeps inner-city black people from getting what they need to succeed more than the violence that surrounds them. I would hope that a strong, intelligent, black voice in the community wouldn't sell out her own people like that. But by following the tried-and-true politically correct line of her pals "Jesse and Al" (no last names necessary), she gains street cred. Which she seems to prefer to actually doing something to help the people most in need. |
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About ten other posts of mine in this thread have said the same thing, look them up if you are still unclear. |
I'll need to remember if I commit a crime, that all I need to do is offer to sit down and discuss it with the other party. At that point, if they pursue criminal charges, it's no longer my problem.
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This may be a missing piece for those who don't live in metro Atlanta: Cynthia Tucker is head of the Editorial Board at the AJC. She is quite far to the left herself, and usually marches lockstep with the party line of the liberal wing of the Democratic party, hence the "this one shocked me" from GrantDawg. The stuff you point out is very much par for the course for her. The only thing stunning or shocking about the article is that she, of ALL people, speaks out against McKinney. That being said, that one didn't shock me. What a lot of Georgians miss about Cynthia Tucker is that she USUALLY but not ALWAYS marches lockstep with the liberal Democrat party line. If one pays careful attention to her, it is easy to see the one area in which she consistently bashes the liberal point of view in general, and the black leadership specifically: when the liberal point of view/black leadership is not doing enough, in her estimation, to help poor black people. Tucker seems to have a clear view that a (the?) primary purpose of liberalism is to help poor black people, and when the black leadership isn't doing enough to fix whatever her issue of the day is, she lashes out in her editorials against them. It also doesn't surprise me because I would imagine that Tucker and McKinney know one another and have interacted many times. I saw it in my brief face-to-face interaction with her, and I had a conversation with my older brother today, who left with a similar impression after an encounter with McKinney: she's incredibly arrogant, aloof, and generally not a likeable person. Someone like Tucker, who doesn't need any favors from McKinney, would be more likely to take her to task, and to deliver a few pointed barbs along the way. |
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I'm not completely. It is sort of the same mind set when a man hires a female attorney to defend him for rape. It is the "see, here is a WHITE man agreeing with me." Of course, she could have found an attorney that could have come across better than this guy. He is as bad as the one that was with her at her intial press conference. |
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I'm curious if there's any evidence, anywhere, that she can think by herself? Did she go to college? Has she ever had a hard job? |
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She used that same retarded line to open up her interview on FOX News this morning. |
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FOX News is reporting that the case will be heard in front of a grand jury tomorrow. A staff member of Sam Farr will be called as a witness along with others. |
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I felt the same thing, usually I would say it was a wise move not having her talk much. But after hearing this guy stumble through his points, looking EXTREMELY uncomfortable along the way, I don't know what would be the lesser of two evils. |
2 things...
1. She just apologized on the floor of the house. 2. According to a reporter in D.C., word is that she had a come-to-Jesus meetin' with John Lewis on behalf of the Congressional Black Caucus, and that the CBC members are *FURIOUS* with her right now for the way she has handled this. |
Would you say she is backing down at this point?
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My 8 year old got caught telling a lie a few weeks ago. He dug his heels in, made up a quick, and totally implausable story and denied that he'd told a lie. My wife laid into him for awhile, and let it go. I came home and laid into him for a little while, just trying to get him to see(and admit) that we had caught him totally red-handed, but he continued to stay in his own little alternate reality, and at a couple of points actually said to each of us "Ok, I admit that I lied, but I really didn't, I just don't want to talk about it any more" thinking that would somehow make everything ok. Hearing that McKinney apologized after all of the bullshit of the last week strikes me as having only slightly more tact, and the same amount of sincerity(none) as an 8 year old in the story above. |
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Yeah, you should have known something was up when Danny Glover came over to your house to defend him. |
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Glover was alright, it was Belafonte that really got to me. |
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An apology isn't near as satisfying as a court date.
Unfortunately I'm guessing this is what is required to get the officer in question to drop the charges. |
I'm guessing she will probably win re-election quite easily. When's the primary?
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That is guarenteed. |
For those with HBO she's on Real Time with Bill Maher this week.
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Bill Maher still has a show?????? And people watch it, AND pay for it?????? Hahahahah!!!!! Certain americans are dumb. |
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That sounded harsh. My bad. I think that Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern suck too, so don't think I only hate on political liberals. I despise ALL one-sided morons. |
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a ban on homeschooling?
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Yup. That's a real Libertarian position, no? |
No, just the opposite, I think.
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What's wrong with homeschooling? I can't imagine a left or right argument against it.
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It would come from an NEA, anti-religion or pro-govt/socialistic position. |
It is evil, because it is mostly bigoted Christian zealots who do homeschooling. Don't you know, it takes a village to indoctrinate...er...teach a child.
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My in-laws have just received a bit of a shock. They just found out because of redistricting, they are now in McKinney's district! They cut a portion of Dekalb county off her area, and gave her a large portion of Rockdale County. Needless to say, they are not amused.
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More from good ol' Cynthia, from tomorrow's AJC:
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Yeah, I saw that. The "she's crazy" moment in all that wasn't the comment (who hasn't been frustrated with someone and said something like that), but the coming back to the podium to tell them they were not allowed to "use" that. As if she has the power to tell them that. There was only one fool involved there, and it wasn't Coz. |
Transcript of McKinney comments
Published on: 04/23/06This is the partial transcript of a question and answer session held Saturday in Chamblee with Congresswoman Cynthia Mckinney. She regularly holds such sessions in her district. This session was taped by CBS 46 news. . &bullQuestion: has anyone asked you about your confrontation with the Capitol police officer? Answer: Actually you, media, are the only ones who are asking about that. &bullQuestion: I'm sure you thought about this — potentially someone might ask you about this, outside of the media, about the confrontation — what would your response be, how do you explain it to the people of DeKalb County? Answer: Well, actually no one has asked me other than you and so... I talk to my constituents about the things that are on their minds... &bullQuestion: Do you think the incident will affect your chances for re-election? Answer: You're talking about the incident I'm talking about issues. &bullQuestion: You want to talk about issues, has the confrontation made it harder for you to focus on the issues? Has it been a distraction? Answer: You're a distraction because that seems to be all you want to talk about — but people here understand that my representation is much larger than any discreet incident OFF CAMERA, WITH MIKE STILL ON: •"This is crap — they lied to Coz and Coz is a fool for believin' 'em. [Referring to aide Coz Carson] &bullAnything that is captured by your audio while I'm not seated in this chair is off the record and is not permissible to use — is that understood? |
Heck, I'm still chuckling at Coz Carson being the spokesman of a Congressperson.
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It was a strong Republican area. It should hurt her, but you never know. Dekalb has 5 times the population of Rockdale. The Republicans did the redistricting, so you would think they wouldn't have cut the heart out a Republican base to give McKinney an easy win. The district still has that corner of Gwinnett in it as well, and it lost a part of South Dekalb. |
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Part of the reason they are used interchangebly is that a Marxist society isn't really possible. It will inevitibly slip into communism or something close to it. Marx was a smart guy. His only problem is that he had very little understanding of psychology. Especially the psychology of the masses. It doesn't matter a lot to me when those terms are misused anyway. How many dems and far left wingers have called Bush a "Nazi"? How many times has Rush used the Femi-Nazi line? The term nazi and communist are used in their truest forms only in classrooms and discussions of history majors. The terms now mean "communist=left wing" "nazi-right wing" It's not worth getting bent out of shape about the terms at this point. |
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I meant to ask this earlier: Is McKinney the one who complained about hurricane names being racist? If not, who was that?
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McKinney just comes across as a dumb, offensive idiot. How people keep re-electing her I'm not sure- what's her selling point ? Then again, there are people who vote for Tom Delay, so perhaps I expect too much.
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That would have been Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) http://www.snopes.com/racial/language/hurricane.asp |
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Just because you don't read about it in the elite media, Democrats are fucked up too, get over it. |
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Wtf ? I know you aren't the brightest bulb, but I was criticizing the "Democrat" AND the "Republican" - perhaps your comprehension needs work. |
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No thanks, my point remains. If Crapshoot wants to discuss how a Republican does something wrong, it's 5 pages about how evil the Republican party is...period. If Crapwhoot wants to discuss how a Democrat does something wrong, it's one post about how bad the Republicans are as well. |
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In this particular case, the answer appears to be yes. And, hot off the press, is today's story about McKinney's supporters welcoming her back to the district, complete with quotes about how the incident was really the fault of the police. http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...8mckinney.html |
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Yup. Just as white people vote for dumb, offensive idiots. It's great you are trying to turn this into a race issue now. You seem pretty much exactly like the women you are trying to defend here. She isn't persecuted because she is black. She's ripped because she's an idiot. And sadly there are a lot of people supporting her and her agenda. Just as it's sad white people have elected former KKK leaders into office. But then, I know it only works one way Biggie. White Republicans are the cause of every bit of hell on the face of the planet, while race baiting dems like this psycho are just helping people out. We get it. |
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It's what MrB does. He twists and turns statements by people on the board to make it sound like the most offensive statement possible in order to keep the argument going, especially if it helps make one of the Republican / right-wing / conservative members of the board look like all the stereotypes he likes to heap on us. It's why I've stopped responding to anything he posts; it's just not worth it, and he's extremely good at word-twisting and taking things out of context. |
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TroyF, gstelmack, what did JiMG mean when he said 'check the demographics'? I asked him twice what he meant by it, and he hasn't given an indication that that is NOT what he meant. And he is obviously denigrating some group, I'm just trying to pin down which group.
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I rhink JIMGA would have been better off to say "look at the history of her district." Dekalb County is probably the best arguement against democracy that exists. It has a 100+ years history of corrupt government, starting with white, racist crooks and tranforming into black, racist crooks.
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Is this an admission that she's a dumb and offensive idiot?:) |
I was going to ask JIMG if they had an option to select "idiot" as a demographic description in Georgia. They could put it under the "inbred" box.
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