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albionmoonlight 09-19-2005 12:41 PM

The bad news is that once these long range forcasts start to move, they tend to keep moving. If it was supposed to hit west Texas and is now supposed to hit Houston, that means that it will probably hit to the East of Houston.

Wolfpack 09-19-2005 12:48 PM

Ugly, but fairly true. Anything this far out is a guessing game, though the forecasts through 48-72 hours generally will be in the ballpark. It's the 96-120-hour forecast that keeps moving around. If I had to call a shot based on nothing but gut and general understanding of how these things tend to shake out, I think this will landfall somewhere in SW Louisiana or far east Texas right now. The problem with Katrina was that it moved SW out of Florida and then circled back north which is a rather unusual path for a storm. Most storms will go like Rita's going, a generally W-to-WNW track for some period of time until some weakness is reached in whatever ridge is steering it west and then it begins cycling towards the north.

sachmo71 09-19-2005 01:13 PM

Here's a map with flood depth surveys.

http://mapper.cctechnol.com/floodmap.php

sterlingice 09-19-2005 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27
I'm not asking anyone to weep for her either, but one of my best friends is in a similar predictament except she is in her early 30's and has just recently finished residency (less than 2 years ago.) She doesn't have huge savings built up, and she had just purchased a house. She was a private practice psychiatrist and now she is seriously considering selling her house and moving back to Ohio (her home state) because she is not sure when her clients will return to town, and she believes that many of them might not.


I've gotta think that's an impossible situation, too. There just is no demand to move in to New Orleans so who may even buy it?

SI

albionmoonlight 09-19-2005 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice
I've gotta think that's an impossible situation, too. There just is no demand to move in to New Orleans so who may even buy it?

SI


Well, who knows what the real-estate markets are doing or will do long term, but I am hearing that in areas that did not flood, rental property is at an ultra-premium (500+ people on waiting lists for apartments). I imagine that home prices in non-flooded areas might experience a similar bump.

There are less people who want to live in New Orleans than there were pre 8/29. But there is a LOT less space in which to put them. If EF27's friend's house stayed dry, she may be able to get a pretty penny for it.

Eaglesfan27 09-19-2005 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight
Well, who knows what the real-estate markets are doing or will do long term, but I am hearing that in areas that did not flood, rental property is at an ultra-premium (500+ people on waiting lists for apartments). I imagine that home prices in non-flooded areas might experience a similar bump.

There are less people who want to live in New Orleans than there were pre 8/29. But there is a LOT less space in which to put them. If EF27's friend's house stayed dry, she may be able to get a pretty penny for it.


That is what she is thinking as well. Her home stayed dry, and she thinks she will actually make a nice profit on it.

I've also heard that it is going to be much more expensive for me to buy a home in New Orleans or LaPlace in the next year like I planned. :(

However, as you point out, who knows what the market will do in a year or longer...

Eaglesfan27 09-19-2005 02:08 PM

Dola -

I'm also hearing that waiting lists are VERY long for apartments in the New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Lafayette, to a lesser extent the Shreveport area. I called dozens of apartment complexes in the Baton Rouge and Lafayette area a few weeks ago and was told they were all full, and I rented the last two apartments that were available at this complex in Shreveport.

Wolfpack 09-19-2005 04:14 PM

5 PM EDT info is in. Rita remains a strong tropical storm, but an expected nudge upward in strength will make her a hurricane. She's still forecast to shoot the Florida Strait between the Keys and Cuba over the next bit.

No significant changes in base NHC forecast, though significantly the discussion mentions some of the models are moving back west again. The human doing the forecasting has decided that's more an affirmation of his prior forecast from 11 AM EDT so the forecast holds from six hours ago. This will put Rita onshore in the Houston/Galveston area by Saturday morning. The timeline to watch for anyone in SE Louisiana is to see whether any sort of turn is forecast to be made in the next 24-48 hours. It's due to be off Louisiana by Thursday or thereabouts and any hit on Louisiana by then will require the storm to begin turning northward by Wednesday at the latest.

Eaglesfan27 09-19-2005 04:16 PM

Mayor Nagin under pressure from Bush and other officials has suspended the re-entry plan into New Orleans. He says that he is suspending the re-entry plan because of the threat of Rita and the weakened Levees and pumps.

Wolfpack 09-20-2005 12:32 PM

I think the folks in Louisiana can start breathing a little easier right now. 11 AM discussion continues to forecast a mid-Texas coast landing and feels pretty confident about it with all the models lining up in that area. New Orleans is no longer in the margin of error cone and it looks like the storm will pass well south of the coast unless the ridge that Rita is passing south of over the next several days suddenly decides to break down. It'll still probably be a little blustery along the south Louisiana coast and the waves will probably kick up some as well, but that will likely be the extent of it in that area.

Eaglesfan27 09-20-2005 12:36 PM

Yeah, I agree that at least the New Orleans metro area can start breathing easier. The interesting thing will be to see if Nagin resumes the repopulation plan in the next day or delays it further like federal officials seem to want. Personally, I want him to delay it until the water is at least safe to bath/shower with. Once that occurs, I want to return home.

albionmoonlight 09-20-2005 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfpack
I think the folks in Louisiana can start breathing a little easier right now. 11 AM discussion continues to forecast a mid-Texas coast landing and feels pretty confident about it with all the models lining up in that area. New Orleans is no longer in the margin of error cone and it looks like the storm will pass well south of the coast unless the ridge that Rita is passing south of over the next several days suddenly decides to break down. It'll still probably be a little blustery along the south Louisiana coast and the waves will probably kick up some as well, but that will likely be the extent of it in that area.


I am really happy to have your insight here. Just curious, is weather a hobby of yours, or is this related to something that you do professionally?

Wolfpack 09-20-2005 12:51 PM

Just a hobby. Meteorology is likely what I could have (should have?) chosen to do if I hadn't decided better money was being made in computer programming. Being a map geek from as long as I can remember, my favorite part of any newscast was the weather, so not only did I indulge my interest in maps, I ended up understanding quite a bit of meteorology after a while. I find hurricanes to be the most fascinating of any storms, probably due to having grown up in North Carolina and having to deal with them every year (though I did live several hours from the coast). Therefore, I usually skip all the dull advisory stuff and just read the actual discussions that the NHC puts out. I get better insight than I could ever hope to get from anybody on TV because all they're doing on TV is parroting the NHC forecaster. They're mostly lying to you when they say "we think" because only a few of them actually are doing so, the rest are reading copy. If you read the actual discussion on the NHC site related to storms, you get an understanding of why forecasters are saying what they're saying, not just that they're saying it.

Wolfpack 09-20-2005 02:08 PM

Apparently, NHC felt Rita's strengthening over the last several hours merited an updated discussion to go with their 2 PM advisory. Since it looks like New Orleans is no longer in the crosshairs, I've posted my translation of what they're thinking over in the Galveston thread for any that care to follow along.

Masked 09-21-2005 02:37 PM

My parents got back in the house this morning. They went on very short notice, so I wasn't able to fly in to help. There was about 5ft of water in the house, and our house is built about 5-6ft above the street level (and thus above sea level). Almost everything on the first floor is ruined, but a few random things were salvagable. For example, the cabinet with my parents wedding china had not moved (unlike all the other furniture), and everything in it appeared okay. The second floor is apparently fine. Although the only rooms up there are my sister's and my bedrooms. Since neither of us live there anymore, there wasn't much left. I should find out much more later today.

Tigercat 09-21-2005 08:32 PM

Well I am back down here. Weird walking into my parents house and seeing a stack of Meals Ready to Eat. Just tried one, they have gotten tastier over the years, the chemical ways of heating them up are kinda freaky.

Family isn't doing too well, my grandparents who lost their home in Waveland Miss have taken things badly, especially my grandmother. Shes gotten paranoid and won't stay with any family members. They took a car heading north to God knows where. The worst part is they are 85 and need to be around people that can help care for them. Hopefully they will realize that and come back south.... But despite that I am glad to be home, I'd much rather be in the thick of things than far away.

Eaglesfan27 09-21-2005 10:08 PM

Tigercat and any of my fellow members from Louisiana:

Keep an eye on Rita as a few of the models have it hitting as far east as Morgan City with significant impact on SELA. Brad, the meteorologist from WWLTV now thinks that a South West LA hit is becoming much more likely. I just hope that prediction doesn't continue to shift east.

sachmo71 09-21-2005 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27
Tigercat and any of my fellow members from Louisiana:

Keep an eye on Rita as a few of the models have it hitting as far east as Morgan City with significant impact on SELA. Brad, the meteorologist from WWLTV now thinks that a South West LA hit is becoming much more likely. I just hope that prediction doesn't continue to shift east.



huh. Texas news is saying a Galveston strike is very likely. Guess it depends on where you are sitting.

On top of that, Dallas could see 8-10 inches of rain if the Galveston thing comes to pass. Far cry from what will happen to the coast, but that's a big deal for this neck of the woods.

Eaglesfan27 09-21-2005 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sachmo71
huh. Texas news is saying a Galveston strike is very likely. Guess it depends on where you are sitting.

On top of that, Dallas could see 8-10 inches of rain if the Galveston thing comes to pass. Far cry from what will happen to the coast, but that's a big deal for this neck of the woods.



I'm guessing that each of the local meteorologists want to protect their areas. Brad (I can't remember his last name) the meteorologist from wwltv.com is saying there are many factors that he thinks are going to cause a signficant eastward shift of the track in the next 24-48 hours. I'm sure every official wants their area to be prepared..

Tigercat 09-21-2005 10:49 PM

Any amount of rain from rita wouldn't be fun right now, i have a roof with holes in it above me. Hopefully the corps of engineers people will be by to do the tarp fix it tomorrow, if not we are going to have to play roofers tomorrow afternoon.

Tigercat 09-21-2005 10:56 PM

Dola, I just saw a couple of models that have been run since 8pm, and they still have it safely in Texas for now. I haven't seen an update on the European model, which I find to be the most consistently close to accurate, but as of this morning it still had it landfalling well west of Houston even, hopefully that model is right this time around too.

Eaglesfan27 09-21-2005 11:06 PM

Here is a copy of the pic that I was viewing with a bunch of the models (which I don't understand that well):


Eaglesfan27 09-21-2005 11:08 PM

Dola -

Brad was discussing these models on wwltv's forum and said that the curves at the end are indicative of a great deal of uncertainty and that he is going to review these again tomorrow (he is flying into Baton Rouge to broadcast on wwltv's newscast tomorrow. Certainly, a great majority of the models predict a TX hit, but we in LA need to keep an eye on this still.

Eaglesfan27 09-22-2005 01:13 AM

Here are the most recent models from wwltv (which only focuses on the major models.) Note that most of them have shifted to SW LA or right at the border between the states with one going further east :(


JeeberD 09-22-2005 09:55 AM

Looks to me like most of those are nailing Galveston and only one is on the TX/LA border...

Also, it seem like all the hurricane's that have come along Rita's path have somehow avoided Texas in the past...


Eaglesfan27 09-22-2005 11:35 AM

I was extremely bleary eyed when I made my last post. :redface:



I've made a pledge to myself to not constantly watch this storm all day today and try to figure out where it is going. I'll pay attention to the 6 hour updates, but otherwise I'm going to try to relax.

sterlingice 09-22-2005 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27
I've made a pledge to myself to not constantly watch this storm all day today and try to figure out where it is going. I'll pay attention to the 6 hour updates, but otherwise I'm going to try to relax.

I say baseball's the answer. Gary Thorne and Steve Stone doing Astros/Pirates on ESPN. Good announcing team :D

(don't see any good movies out and have no idea what else there is to do where you're at so I stick with what I know)


SI

JeeberD 09-22-2005 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice
I say baseball's the answer. Gary Thorne and Steve Stone doing Astros/Pirates on ESPN. Good announcing team :D


Thanks for the heads up for me to avoid ESPN. If I watch the Astros on TV they ALWAYS lose. I swear to god, it never fails...

Eaglesfan27 09-22-2005 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice
I say baseball's the answer. Gary Thorne and Steve Stone doing Astros/Pirates on ESPN. Good announcing team :D

(don't see any good movies out and have no idea what else there is to do where you're at so I stick with what I know)


SI


Baseball is a good answer, but my wife is insisting on us buying "just a few" storm supplies in case it hits Shreveport with some force left.

However, I've found several gamespots with Madden for the PSP, and I'm buying that today. Hopefully, it will be fun and relaxing (as long as T.O or McNabb doesn't get hurt ;))

sterlingice 09-22-2005 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27
Baseball is a good answer, but my wife is insisting on us buying "just a few" storm supplies in case it hits Shreveport with some force left.

However, I've found several gamespots with Madden for the PSP, and I'm buying that today. Hopefully, it will be fun and relaxing (as long as T.O or McNabb doesn't get hurt ;))


Try a Saints franchise where they don't have to play a "home" game on national tv in New York :rolleyes:

SI

Masked 09-22-2005 12:23 PM

My parents, who left New Orleans because of Katrina, were staying with family in Lake Charles, La which is near the Tx/La border. Since Lake Charles is under a mandatory evacuation order, they had to evacuate from their original evacuation destination and are back in the metro New Orleans area.

Eaglesfan27 09-22-2005 05:28 PM

I don't know if this is false info from trolls on wwltv's weather forum, but I don't believe it is. According to several different people, levees in St. Bernard and near the 9th ward are starting to "seep" and break again. This is without the storm even hitting yet :( I'm very afraid that parts of the city and surrounding area are going to flood again.

JonInMiddleGA 09-22-2005 05:44 PM

EF - Doesn't appear to be trollish, at least not entirely.
www.nola.com has a photo gallery titled Lower Ninth Ward Levee Seeping

Masked 09-23-2005 10:13 AM

Apparently the situation has gotten worse again. The levees are just too damaged to handle a 3-5 foot rise of the water in the lake.

Expires 3:45 PM CDT on September 23, 2005

Statement as of 9:52 AM CDT on September 23, 2005


The National Weather Service in New Orleans has issued a

* Flash Flood Warning for...
Orleans Parish in southeast Louisiana
this includes the city of east New Orleans and lower ninth Ward
St. Bernard Parish in southeast Louisiana
this includes Arabi and Chalmette

* until 345 PM CDT

* at 948 am CDT... several reliable sources are reporting an
overtopping of the levee on the Industrial canal between Claiborne
Avenue and Florida Avenue. Those areas flooded during Hurricane
Katrina will flood once again with 3 to 8 feet of water... mainly
in the lower ninth Ward... Arabi and Chalmette.

Eaglesfan27 09-24-2005 02:35 PM

My boss finally called me again. Apparently, I've been prohibited from working or volunteering due to contracts! Very annoying. Now, I have to report to Jackson, LA by Monday or Tuesday "at the latest if weather doesn't permit" me to be there on Monday to move into an apartment with 2 other male docs. I'll be running an inpatient unit for about 40 hours/week (the doc just quit that was running it.) I'll also be working at 3 shelters for 4 hours/night 2 days a week, and a mobile psychiatric crisis team 1 day a week for 8-10hrs/week. My wife can't come with me because of lack of housing at this point, and if I don't report, I lose my job. He told me that they are trying to procure additional housing for me and my wife but that may take a long time.

I want to go and help, but I'm annoyed at the prospect of being seperated from my wife by 250 miles for a potentially extended period of time..

Eaglesfan27 09-24-2005 02:41 PM

Dola -

I might be working at a Baton Rouge Mental Health Clinic for 1 to 2 nights/week as well..

albionmoonlight 09-24-2005 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27
My boss finally called me again. Apparently, I've been prohibited from working or volunteering due to contracts! Very annoying. Now, I have to report to Jackson, LA by Monday or Tuesday "at the latest if weather doesn't permit" me to be there on Monday to move into an apartment with 2 other male docs. I'll be running an inpatient unit for about 40 hours/week (the doc just quit that was running it.) I'll also be working at 3 shelters for 4 hours/night 2 days a week, and a mobile psychiatric crisis team 1 day a week for 8-10hrs/week. My wife can't come with me because of lack of housing at this point, and if I don't report, I lose my job. He told me that they are trying to procure additional housing for me and my wife but that may take a long time.

I want to go and help, but I'm annoyed at the prospect of being seperated from my wife by 250 miles for a potentially extended period of time..


Very shitty. I'll be praying that things work out for you soon. Now is not the time to be separated from loved ones.

JW 09-28-2005 09:22 PM

A few updates on New Orleans from today from another forum, fyi:

Went through CBD and French Quarter today

French Quarter looks very good... in fact... I would say better than normal. With all the rain and few people the streets look clean. Very little traffic actually makes it a pleasant place to be. I did see people walking down bourbon street with drinks in hand about 4:00 today.
Also, CBD took a hit but believe me things are rocking back pretty quickly. Buildings are operational for the most part... elevators, etc. Went to Energy Centre and tenants can get in from 10:00 to 2:00 and can say and work if they want to. According to bldg mgmt things should be back to normal in 1 to 2 weeks. Keep in mind there was no flood water there (and it is a little high up) but most of the buildings down there came out in great shape.

Hyatt is still pretty bad but missing glass is replaced with plastic and plywood. So is the (was Texaco) building next to it.

No water anywhere but parts of the lower 9th ward.

Went by the Dome and was amazed by the water line.

New Orleans will be back soon folks... don't get too comfy in Houston!

###

Agree

I was in the CBD today & toured 4 buildings. Worked at my office all day today in basically normal conditions.

###

I took poydras exit (dome)

drove through vieux carre and assume that the exit was open. No more checkpoints and you can get under the I-10 tracks at the split now.
No exit between the split and poydras though (metairie road, carrolton etc) you gotta stay on till the CBD.

No traffic lights at all so watch out for the Hummers, they are everywhere.

Eaglesfan27 09-29-2005 04:11 PM

Not sure if this is the best place or not, but I guess so. Here is my update:

First the good: I was able to ride in the hospital van yesterday to my apartment which is on the hospital grounds. My apartment wasn't significantly damaged (an attic window broke and let in a bit of water, but nothing serious.) None of my stuff was looted or damaged! That is excellent.

Now the bad news, my boss brought me here to Jackson Tuesday. He had no place for me to sleep. I slept on the floor (no mats, mattresses, or cots, or any other sleeping apparatus was available) of a cottage that has bugs crawling on it. Last night, I slept in a bed with actual bugs of some sort. I also had 3 other people in my room, and shared a bathroom with 12 plus people. I'm not getting paid for this until October since I'm still on special leave. I have no idea what I'm going to be doing, because my boss was talking out of his ass earlier. There is a possiblity that I won't even have a job in the near future with this institution as I'm one of their newest professors and they are scrambling to find jobs for all of their professors and I'm on the bottom of the totem pole.

I've been offered jobs by several places, but I don't want to abandon my current job. However, I'm just not sure that I'm not going to get reemed by that very job. So, I'll be living in bad conditions for "3-5 weeks" 4-6 days a week with no guarantee that I won't be laid off in the near future... I'm just very frustrated, angry, and trying to prevent those feelings from affecting my patient care. Oh yeah, I still haven't gotten to do any real patient care other than helping with 1 code (for behaviour not breathing or heart problems) because of beaucratic red tape....

My "slot" of time on the dial-up internet is almost over. Hope to be heading home to my temporary apartment in Shreveport sometime tomorrow for a weekend break.

Eaglesfan27 09-29-2005 04:13 PM

Just read my previous post (before the one I just made), and realize how many lies I was told. This isn't an apartment with 2 male docs, but 11 other staff of all jobs and both sexes..

Many other lies I was told too.

HomerJSimpson 09-29-2005 08:22 PM

Take another job. Take it now.

bronconick 09-29-2005 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerJSimpson
Take another job. Take it now.


What he said.

albionmoonlight 09-30-2005 10:06 AM

EF27, I love New Orleans as much as anything and want you to stay there and make it better, but you have to do what is right for you and your family.

Mrs. A. and I love it here in the Raleigh-Durham area. Many other parts of the country rock, too, and are in need of good doctors.

Eaglesfan27 09-30-2005 12:03 PM

I was pissed and at my breaking point the other day. I went into my boss's office after he returned from a meeting in Baton Rouge. We had a long talk. I'm now back at my apartment in Shreveport after working last night. There is a good chance that I will be re-assigned to the first of the clinics to re-open in New Orleans as there are needs for clinics there with people starting to return to the city today.

However, I likely won't be able to return to my apartment in New Orleans as the military has taken over the area around my hospital (which I'm grateful for as that is probably a big part of the reason my stuff wasn't looted and I won't have to worry about it getting stolen in the near future..) I'm looking at a possible trailer in Baton Rouge and commuting into New Orleans, or possibly staying with my Mother-in-law in Metairie (which is just outside New Orleans.) As much as I dread the idea of living with my MIL for 4-6 weeks, either of those possiblities sound 1000 times better than going back to where I was (which is a place where criminally insane used to be housed long term and are still housed long term, but that is a whole another discussion..) There is a chance that I will have to return to horrendous hospital where I just drove from and live there another week as well until a clinic can be opened.

My wife loves this city. She was born and raised in Metairie, and she doesn't want to leave it. I want to make her happy if I possibly can and I want to help rebuild this city, however, I will keep all options open..

Eaglesfan27 09-30-2005 12:54 PM

Dola -

One thing I forgot to post yesterday is that there is significant talk that either the military or much more likely the state may permeantly take over the hospital where I live. If that happens, I will be evicted and we will have no place to live as almost all of the apartment complexes in the state have a waiting list of 700-1000 people (from those I've called in the past day or so.) It could happen in a week, 2 weeks, a month, or not at all. Therefore, as much as my wife would hate it, we may have no choice but to move to either Shreveport or out of state. We are certainly holding onto our 2 bedroom apartment in Shreveport (which would never fit all of our stuff) until more information is available. The uncertainty about our living situation is very distressing to her, and somewhat distressing to me as well.

Eaglesfan27 10-02-2005 09:47 PM

Double Dola -

I'm absolutely thrilled right now. My boss called and said that for at least tonight into tomorrow I don't have to go back to the horrendous hospital as he has enough doctors there, and really can't afford to pay me at that spot. In reality, I suspect he made it so I don't have to come back because he knew I was so miserable there.

I would feel worse about talking my way out of that place, but I wasn't doing anything of real worth up there and I was living in terrible conditions.

Instead, I reminded him of how much I want to be one of the first child psychiatrists to reset up in New Orleans. He is going to propose that I become the acting Chief of Child Psychiatry at Children's Hospital in New Orleans!!!! :)

Children's Hospital is about to completely reopen, and they currently have no child psychiatrist working there (secondary to their old chief of child psychiatry leaving town because of the hurricane and temporarily relocating to Baton Rouge for at least the next several months until his place can be fixed.) I'd be the only Child Psychiatrist on staff and I'd have one resident working with me. It'd be long hours, hard work, including plenty of night call again, but I'd be in my own apartment with my wife!!! :)

I just extended this apartment (in Shreveport) for another month, and I still run a real risk of losing my apartment in New Orleans on the hospital ground, but my wife is going to start looking for an apartment somewhere in the vicinity of New Orleans tomorrow and things are really looking up. I was becoming depressed myself, and this just significantly brightened my mood.

Galaxy 10-02-2005 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Instead, I reminded him of how much I want to be one of the first child psychiatrists to reset up in New Orleans. He is going to propose that I become the acting Chief of Child Psychiatry at Children's Hospital in New Orleans!!!! :)

Children's Hospital is about to completely reopen, and they currently have no child psychiatrist working there (secondary to their old chief of child psychiatry leaving town because of the hurricane and temporarily relocating to Baton Rouge for at least the next several months until his place can be fixed.) I'd be the only Child Psychiatrist on staff and I'd have one resident working with me. It'd be long hours, hard work, including plenty of night call again, but I'd be in my own apartment with my wife!!! :)


Sounds like it would be a great and prestigious position for you.

DaddyTorgo 10-02-2005 11:26 PM

seriously EF, that's awesome news. Congratualtions! I hope you get the post.

as an aside, i think i might have mentioned before in a Katrina thread that my cousin's roommate's father is the COO of Charity, if that can be of ANY help to you at all, feel free to PM me and let me know, although it sounds like you're pretty well setup all things considered.

Eaglesfan27 10-02-2005 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxy
Sounds like it would be a great and prestigious position for you.

It's just a temporary position, and I fully expect to give the position back to my colleague once he is able to return to New Orleans. Also, my boss is proposing it tomorrow. The powers that be at Children's Hospital have to accept me for the temporary position. However, it would be great to be able to return home and work by my home, even if I might eventually lose that apartment. Furthermore, it will be good to directly care for people affected by Katrina.

Besides living in bad conditions in Jackson, LA in which I never felt like I was at home, none of the kids I was treating were evacuees.


Thanks, DaddyTorgo, I appreciate the offer of help.

NoMyths 10-03-2005 02:28 AM

Acting Chief. Sincere toast to your efforts and station, whatever may come later. Well done, EF.

albionmoonlight 10-03-2005 06:03 AM

::thumbs up::

sterlingice 10-03-2005 11:20 AM

Now all you have to do is crush the competition when they return and you will be king, king of the hospitals, king of all you can see and, um, heal. Wait, that doesn't work. Hmm... before noon is just too early for non-sensical megalomaniacal rantings.

SI

NoMyths 10-03-2005 11:48 AM

And along with my earlier congrats...

...I have to imagine that the job you'll be doing will be unimaginably difficult. Best wishes on doing your part to help those kids through the disaster.

terpkristin 10-03-2005 06:17 PM

Just wantd to chime in with my congrats to EF. :)

Also, wanted to say to EVERYBODY reading this thread:
1. Thanks for keeping it on-topic and politics-free. This has been a wonderful resource for keeping tabs on our friends and families, and I really appreciate how everybody has respected the "no politics" plea.

2. I'm glad to hear that everybody somehow touched or affected by Katrina (and Rita) is returning to "normalcy," no matter how slowly this "normal" thing returns. Here's hoping for continued recovery. :)

/tk

Eaglesfan27 10-03-2005 09:50 PM

I just got off the phone with my boss. Now, the current Chief of Psychiatry at Childrens Hospital wants to see if he can get his place "rush repaired" within 2-3 weeks. If so, he wants to keep his job and just drive into the city each day and I won't get that job temporarily.

The good news is that my boss didn't demand or even ask me to return to the horrendous hospital. He just told me to hang tight in Shreveport, and keep calling him each day. He is going to try to get me into the first (to reopen) Mental Health Clinic in New Orleans (if the Chief of Children's Psychiatry does keep working at his job) which is hopefully going to re-open within the next week. I don't mind the loss of income from these days off one bit, as long as I don't have to return to the horrendous hospital.

I'm puzzled at the Chief's decision. I'm friendly with him, and I didn't think he would see me as a threat as he is Harvard trained and very well regarded.

Oh well, I'm just thrilled that I don't have to drive to the horrendous hospital in the woods.

Eaglesfan27 10-05-2005 10:50 PM

This is so stressful. I now know that the Chief of Psychiatry at Childrens Hospital is keeping his job. Also, the politics in the state and the medical school are so trecherous right now. Another doctor appears to have scooped me for that job at the first to re-open MHC. I now have no idea where I'm going to be working in the next week or next month. I'm being told by my boss to hang loose, and keep checking with him every day. It is also looking more likely that the land on which my apartment is located is going to be sold. If so, I'll have to move, but that is unclear at this point.

Also, I had a side job with the city of New Orleans doing civil committment evaluations for them. It was my most cushy job ever, although it was important work that I took seriously. The city has announced they are laying off 3,000 employees and since I'm the newest in that department, I'm almost certain to be layed off from that side job (which could have supported me if necessary - albeit at a drastically reduced salary.) I won't find out if I'm one of the layed off ones until it is officially announced on Oct. 14 or there about.

As far as housing, most apartment complexes that weren't damaged now have a 800-1,000 person waiting list. One of Mrs. Eaglesfan's friends has a dad who owns a house that he used to rent out. He is fixing it up and we might be able to rent that, but he might decide to live in there. If he decides to rent it, we feel confident that we are his first choice, but I really need to know more about the work situation before I committ to that house's rent for a year.

So, there is just so much uncertainty right now. I'm so used to having control of my situation and this is really frustrating. The good news is that one of my uncles in New Jersey (most of my family is still in NJ) is a lawyer and he has a psychiatrist that he uses as an expert witness for certain cases. That psychiatrist doesn't have any child training, and he wants me to come join him as a partner seeing kids up there. Also, while I might not be able to find housing anywhere around New Orleans, it should be easy enough to find a suitable place in NJ.

However, my wife wants to stay in the state if at all possible. I already have this apartment in Shreveport, which I'm leaning towards extending for at least another month. I have a current strong lead on a job at the medical school in Shreveport, but I don't know if that will be as available if I wait much longer to jump on it. I don't want to make any premature decisions, but if my boss can't come up with a definite plan for me by the middle or the end of next week, I think I'm going to have to make a decision on what to do next.

NoMyths 10-06-2005 12:19 AM

Sorry to hear about this turn of events, man. Stay strong.

albionmoonlight 10-06-2005 06:42 AM

I don't know if you are a religious man or not, but perhaps pray for guidance. It sounds like the roads are diverging in the yellow wood for you.

Also, is the New Jersey job a full time gig, or is it on the side while you see patients, too? I can imagine that full time work of seeing disturbed kids and arguing that they should or should not go to jail and then watching while a jury decides one way or the other--that could get pretty cynical and depressing pretty quickly. Not really as satisfying as actual treatment, I bet. Of course, since I know nothing, I am just talking out of my ass here. I just felt like saying something other than good luck and God bless.

Eaglesfan27 10-06-2005 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight
I don't know if you are a religious man or not, but perhaps pray for guidance. It sounds like the roads are diverging in the yellow wood for you.

Also, is the New Jersey job a full time gig, or is it on the side while you see patients, too? I can imagine that full time work of seeing disturbed kids and arguing that they should or should not go to jail and then watching while a jury decides one way or the other--that could get pretty cynical and depressing pretty quickly. Not really as satisfying as actual treatment, I bet. Of course, since I know nothing, I am just talking out of my ass here. I just felt like saying something other than good luck and God bless.

I'm definitely praying about this.

The job in New Jersey would be primarily offering care to patients (he would provide office space and such), with occasional seeing forensic cases that he needs help with. I believe doing full time forensic work or even a majority of forensic cases would quickly burn me out. Thanks to everyone for the well wishes and advice. I believe this next week will likely be a pivotal week.

Wolfpack 10-06-2005 12:26 PM

I'm unfortunately beginning to think that your wife will need to come to grips with the fact that staying in Louisiana and furthering your career are becoming incompatible with one another. How much persuading will she need to move on if it comes to that?

If you were to move out, how challenging would it be to go back to Louisiana at a future date once things have settled down?

Eaglesfan27 10-06-2005 12:49 PM

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I'm unfortunately beginning to think that your wife will need to come to grips with the fact that staying in Louisiana and furthering your career are becoming incompatible with one another. How much persuading will she need to move on if it comes to that?

If you were to move out, how challenging would it be to go back to Louisiana at a future date once things have settled down?


She has accepted moving to NJ or another state as the "plan of last resort." So, if I've pursued every other possibility, she is set to move out of state. It won't be that hard to move back down here if I keep my license up to date (which takes some money and paperwork.)

HomerJSimpson 10-06-2005 02:51 PM

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She has accepted moving to NJ or another state as the "plan of last resort." So, if I've pursued every other possibility, she is set to move out of state. It won't be that hard to move back down here if I keep my license up to date (which takes some money and paperwork.)



I'm sorry for the headaches, but I know how it goes. My wife is the primary reason I have stuck at a job I have grown to dislike for so long. She is finally becoming more reasonable, but it really just took me putting my foot down about it to do so. She supports the desicion now, but I went through a lot of passive-agressive pain to get her there.

Eaglesfan27 10-07-2005 10:40 PM

Today was a big day. We (my wife and I) had a long talk in which we decided that if there was no definitive job information for me by the end of next week that I would actively pursue getting a job at LSU Shreveport's Medical School. We would also pursue finding a bigger apartment up here, and moving our stuff up here. Then, we decided to go out to a nice dinner and a comedy club show.

Dinner was great, and Jamie Lissow is hilarious. This was my favorite live comedy show ever. He had me and the wife laughing during almost his entire set which is a rare feat.

After the show, I called my boss for my daily update. Apparently, he is "almost certain, but it is not written in stone" that the hospital will move back to their grounds on October 18th. That is excellent news, if it comes to fruition. It wouldn't make sense for the state to have us move back there if they were going to re-assign the land to some other purpose. Therefore, that makes me feel quite a bit better about the security of my living in my current New Orleans apartment as there is no real reason for my boss to move me out if we go back there. Also, there is talk that one of the inpatient unit doctors is going to stay in Atlanta for at least the next year, because she enrolled her daughter in High School there. If that is the case, perhaps, I will get the open inpatient unit job as my new employment since my outpatient clinic was destroyed by the flood water. That would provide more teaching opportunities to me which is a primary reason I took my old job anyway.

I'm not getting my hopes too high in any case, as I've had the rug pulled out from under me several times in the past few days. The good news is that Mrs. Eaglesfan is becoming somewhat excited about the prospect of living in Bossier City/Shreveport for the long term a variety of reasons that could be a long post in and of themself. LSU Shreveport's medical school offers me some unique job opportunities as well with only one signficant downside. I also find myself enjoying the Shreveport weather MUCH more than New Orleans' weather. I need to do some research to see if this is an anomaly, but tonight really felt like a fall night. I miss having some semblence of 4 seasons, and I think I will get more of that from Shreveport/Bossier City than I ever will in New Orleans. So, if things end up not working out over the next weeks/months, I think I have a more solid backup plan in place.

JeeberD 10-07-2005 10:46 PM

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The good news is that Mrs. Eaglesfan is becoming somewhat excited about the prospect of living in Bossier City/Shreveport for the long term a variety of reasons that could be a long post in and of themself.


She caught the riverboat bug, eh? ;)

Best of luck to ya both, Doc... :)

Eaglesfan27 10-07-2005 10:53 PM

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She caught the riverboat bug, eh? ;)

Best of luck to ya both, Doc... :)


Actually, more of the idea that

1) She would be further away from her mother, which she would consider a good thing.

2) Our house could serve as a free evacuation zone for her mother who is poor as well as a few of her best friends should the need arise.

3) Ok, the riverboats have something to do with it ;)

4) I promised that she could either fly or drive down to visit friends at least one 3-4 day weekend per month. This is a heck of a lot more time than I get to see my friends that are still in NJ.

5) I told her she doesn't have to work anymore. Heck, I've told her that before, so I'm confused why this is a point that would convince her. But, I won't argue the point. I'll gladly use that ;) Actually, I want her to stay at home when we hopefully start having kids in 2 years or so, and always thought she was the one determined to work.

6) I've taken her out to a few happening places in Shreveport and Bossier City and she has decided this isn't SO boring to live here. By the way, she really likes a shot she discovered called the Ocean Mist. I thought it was just ok.

7) I reminded her of the professional benefits of being here in Shreveport. There are very few child psychiatrists in Shreveport or the surrounding area. There is a good chance I could make more money here still doing what I love..

There were other reasons as well, but they escape me at the moment as I'm finishing a drink. Tonight was fun.

Thanks for the well wishes :)

Eaglesfan27 10-07-2005 11:17 PM

Dola -

There were a bunch of other reasons that I was telling her as well, which I can't remember at this moment

I know one should never make a major life altering decision while under very stressful conditions or while intoxicated, but I have to admit that I was really excited about the possibility of moving up here before I heard from my boss tonight. The idea of actually having seasons shouldn't be a deciding factor, but it is nice. Also, the humidity here is SO much lower than New Orleans. I still consider moving here a good plan if things don't work out in New Orleans for whatever reason in the future.

Also, as I suspected, home prices appear to be a fair bit lower in the Bossier City/Shreveport area as well. I just looked at Century21's site, and they had houses listed that meet our size demands for some very nice prices (at least in comparision to the outskirts of New Orleans that I was looking at before the storm.)

Dutch 10-07-2005 11:21 PM

I've only got about 10 months left in Bossier City before I leave for Germany, but the place really grows on you.

I love my house. I love the fact that I have a yard and a garage. These are things I only could dream of when I lived in Los Angeles. :) But for you guys, man, you can buy a killer place here, I'm sure!

You have the right profession to be in Shreveport/Bossier. It's been growing steadily. It's be a great choice! :)

Eaglesfan27 10-07-2005 11:23 PM

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I've only got about 10 months left in Bossier City before I leave for Germany, but the place really grows on you.

I love my house. I love the fact that I have a yard and a garage. These are things I only could dream of when I lived in Los Angeles. :) But for you guys, man, you can buy a killer place here, I'm sure!

You have the right profession to be in Shreveport/Bossier. It's been growing steadily. It's be a great choice! :)


Yeah, I'm really salivating over some of the places on the Century21 website right now. We could get a huge place with a huge yard, and I've always wanted my future kids to have a good size yard...

Dutch 10-08-2005 01:40 AM

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Yeah, I'm really salivating over some of the places on the Century21 website right now. We could get a huge place with a huge yard, and I've always wanted my future kids to have a good size yard...


If you are interested in a real estate agent, I know a good one for the Bossier City area.

Eaglesfan27 10-08-2005 11:01 AM

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If you are interested in a real estate agent, I know a good one for the Bossier City area.



We're probably about 6 months to a year away if we stick to the plan of putting 20% down, but I'm definitely interested in the info for future reference.

sachmo71 10-11-2005 02:56 PM

Neat article, but LONGGGGGGGGGGG!

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Wading Toward Home

New York Times magazine October 9, 2005 By MICHAEL LEWIS

I. Kings and Queens (and Squires) in Old, Old New Orleans

There's a fine line between stability and stagnation, and by the time I was born, New Orleans had already crossed it. The difference between growing up in New Orleans, starting in 1960, and growing up most other places in America was how easy it was to believe, in New Orleans, that nothing meaningful occurred outside it. No one of importance ever seemed to move in, just as no one of importance ever moved away. The absence of any sort of movement into or out of the upper and upper-middle classes was obviously bad for business, but it was great for what are now called family values. Until I went away to college, I had no idea how scattered and disjointed most American families were. By the time I was 9, I could ride my bike to the houses of both sets of grandparents. My mother's parents lived six blocks away; my father's parents, the far-flung ones, lived about a mile away. I didn't think it was at all odd that so much of my family was so near at hand: one friend of mine had all four of her grandparents next door, two on one side, two on the other. At the time, this struck me as normal.

Every Christmas, my mother's side of the family gathered for a party that confirmed for me that just about all white New Orleanians, even the horrible ones, were somehow blood relations. Before I could do long division, I knew the difference between a third cousin and a first cousin twice removed. Wherever I went, I was defined by family, living and dead.

My mother's family, the Monroes, were the arrivistes: they had been in New Orleans since only the 1850's. Nevertheless, my great-grandfather J. Blanc Monroe, descended from James Polk on one side and James Monroe on the other, became the spearhead of the New Orleans aristocracy. In "Rising Tide," John Barry's history of the 1927 flood, Papa Blanc, as he was known, is cast as one of the villains who pressed the government to dynamite the levees below New Orleans and flood the outlying parishes in order to spare the city; he then stiffed the victims, on behalf of the city, when they came for reparations. My father's side, the Lewises, were the old New Orleanians. They came down from Virginia in 1803, when Thomas Jefferson sent my father's great-great-grandfather Joshua Lewis to be a judge for the territory of Orleans after the Louisiana Purchase. Eventually he joined the Louisiana Supreme Court, wrote the state's first legal opinion, gave the celebratory toast at the banquet given to honor Andrew Jackson in 1815 after the Battle of New Orleans and, as the Protestant candidate, narrowly lost the governor's race to his Catholic opponent, Jacques Philippe Roi de Villere, whose descendant Sandy lived across the street from my parents until last year. Joshua's son John Lewis was elected mayor of New Orleans and was wounded at the Battle of Mansfield.

As a boy, I had no idea when the Lewises arrived in Louisiana, or that Thomas Jefferson himself had sent them. I just knew that everyone around me had been there forever, mostly in the same houses. I took it as the normal state of affairs, the done thing, that when the old carnival organizations went looking for royalty, they came to my Uptown neighborhood. There was, for instance, a Mardi Gras krewe for adolescents called Squires, which mimicked exactly the masked balls of the adults. When I was 16, I was dubbed its king: a group of five young men in suits, led by the departing king, turned up in our living room to tap my shoulders. After school for the next several weeks, I went straight from baseball practice to a school for royals in a cottage just off St. Charles Avenue, where a woman experienced in the ways of European royalty had taken up residence - presumably because we had the one growth market in the world for kings and queens. The tone of her sessions was serious, bordering on solemn. In that little cottage, I spent hours practicing to be king, a crown on my head, an ermine cape on my shoulders and a glittering scepter in my left hand that I waved over imaginary subjects, unaware that there was anything the slightest bit unusual about any of it.

Perhaps because their position in it was so fixed, my parents were never all that interested in New Orleans society - my father once said to me, "My idea of hell is a cocktail party." On the other hand, they have always been deeply engaged in civic life; they are, I suppose, what's left of that useful but unfashionable attitude of noblesse oblige. Without making any sort of show of it at all, my mother has run just about every major charitable organization in the city: as camouflage in the public-housing projects, where she spends a lot of her time, she has always insisted on driving the world's oldest and least desirable automobiles. (And, yes, she has many black friends.) My father is a different sort, less keen on getting his hands dirty. For 40 years, from the comfort of his private library, he has, every other Saturday, watched my mother push a lawn mower back and forth across the front lawn without so much as a passing thought that he might lend a hand. He was fond of citing the Lewis family motto:

Do as little as possible
And that unwillingly
For it is better to incur a slight reprimand
Than to perform an arduous task.

Like my mother, he seldom mentioned what he did away from home. Yet at one point in my childhood, he was president of so many civic and business enterprises that I didn't understand why they didn't just get it over with and make him president of the United States, too. He is still president of an unelected board of city elders, the Board of Liquidation, an artifact of Reconstruction that has, incredibly, the powers to issue bonds on behalf of New Orleans and to levy taxes to pay off those bonds.

But my parents have lived their entire adult lives fighting an unwinnable war. In their lifetimes, New Orleans has gone from the leading city of the South to a theme park for low-rollers and sinners. All the unpleasant facts about a city that can be measured - crime, poverty and illiteracy rates, the strange forms of governmental malfunction - have remained high. The public schools are a hopeless problem, and the public housing is a source of endless misery. A disturbing number of my parents' white neighbors have fled to white towns on the far side of Lake Pontchartrain. My parents would never put it this way, but they are fatalists; they have come to view change as unfortunate and inevitable. That's one difference between stability and stagnation. A stable society has the ability to reject or adapt to change. A stagnant one has change imposed on it, unpleasantly. The only question is from what direction it will come.

On the night of Sunday, Aug. 28, it came from the south. That's when my mother reached me in California to let me know that she and my father, along with my sister (a former, reluctant Mardi Gras queen) and her husband and their children, were stuck in a traffic jam heading for central Alabama. "We had to evacuate for the hurricane," she said. HURR-i-cun. New Orleanians generate many peculiar accents but nothing like a conventional Southern one. Anyone in New Orleans with a Southern accent is either faking it or from somewhere else. My mother often changes the standard pronunciation of words by stressing a first syllable. (Umbrella is UM-brella.)

"What HURR-i-cun?" I asked.

We had never left New Orleans to escape a hurricane. Betsy, in 1965, and Camille, in 1969, the meteorological stars of my youth, were wildly entertaining. Each in turn wiped out the weekend house built by Papa Blanc on the Mississippi Gulf Coast - Camille left behind nothing but the foundation slab - but that's what Mississippi was for: to get wiped out by hurricanes. A hurricane in Mississippi was not a natural disaster but an excuse for a real-estate boom.

In this unchanging world, something else was about to change. . .but what? My father believes in knocking on wood, and also that bad things come in threes. Having endured this past summer both a nasty heart operation and the death of his closest friend, he was happy to see that the third bad thing was merely another hurricane. He, like I, assumed they would drive to their friend's place in central Alabama, wait a day or two and then return to the same New Orleans they had fled. That was Sunday. The storm hit Monday morning, and the levees that protected the city from the lake broke. Then, of course, all hell broke loose. The mayor started saying that 10,000 people might be dead and that the living wouldn't be allowed to return for months. My parents left Alabama for a house in Highlands, N.C., that Papa Blanc bought in 1913. When the water is rising, it's nice to own a house in the highest incorporated town east of the Rocky Mountains - even if it is an old, chilly house without modern conveniences and a big sign inside that reads, "Yee Cannot Expect to Be Both Grand and Comfortable."

It's even nicer when you have immediate family accounted for. But on Sunday evening, my little brother, in hot pursuit of one of those Darwin Awards that are bestowed upon the unintentionally suicidal, looked at the traffic jam heading north out of New Orleans and decided instead to go south, toward Katrina, where the roads were clear and he could drive fast.

II. Rumors, Rumors Everywhere - and Haywood Hillyer

Three days after Katrina made landfall, I flew to Dallas and then, the next morning, squeezed between two FEMA workers on a flight into Baton Rouge. My father, even more risk-averse than usual, had phoned me and insisted that I shouldn't go home. When I wouldn't listen, he became testy with me for the first time in my adult life. "After what we've been through the past few months, you want to go and do this . . .," he started, though when he realized he wasn't going to change my mind, he changed his tune. "In that case," he said, "grab me a couple of tropical-weight suits and a pair of decent shoes. And just a handful of bow ties."

On my way into the city, at a gas station, I ran into two young men leaving in a pickup truck. They had just been stopped by the police in New Orleans and related the following exchange:

Cops: "Are you armed?"

Young men: "Heavily."

Cops: "Good. Shoot to kill."

The first surprise was that a city supposedly blockaded wasn't actually all that hard to get into. The TV reports insisted that the National Guard had arrived - there were pictures of soldiers showing up, so how could it not be true? - but from the Friday morning of my arrival through the weekend after Katrina hit, there was no trace of the Guard, or any other authority, on high ground. New Orleans at that moment was experiencing the fantasy of the neutron bomb: people obliterated, buildings intact. No city was ever more silent. No barks, shouts, honks or wails: there weren't even cockroaches scurrying between cracks in the sidewalks. At night, I soon learned, the sound of the place was different. At night, the air would be filled with helicopters reprising the soundtrack from "Apocalypse Now." But on that bright blue summer Friday, the city could not have been more tranquil. It was as if New Orleans had a "pause" button, and the finger that reached in to press it also inadvertently uprooted giant magnolias and snapped telephone poles in two.

The next surprise was that a city supposedly inundated had so much dry land. When the levees broke, Lake Pontchartrain stole back the wetlands long ago reclaimed for housing. Between the new lake shore and the Mississippi River of my youth is dry land with the houses of about 185,000 people. The city government in exile has categorized the high-ground population as 55 percent black, 42 percent white and 3 percent Hispanic. The flood did not discriminate by race or class. It took out a lot of poor people's homes, but it took out a lot of rich people's homes too. It did discriminate historically: it took out everything but the old city. If you asked an architecture critic, or a preservationist, to design a flood of this size in New Orleans, he would have given you something like this one.

This wasn't supposed to be. After the levees broke, Mayor Ray Nagin, who grew up in New Orleans, predicted that even Uptown would be under 15 to 20 feet of water. But most of Uptown was dry. Chris O' Connor, vice president of the Ochsner Clinic, the one hospital still open, would tell me: "As the water rose, everyone was quoting different elevation levels. One doctor said Ochsner was 2.6 feet above sea level. Someone else said Ochsner was 12 feet above sea level. No one knew where the water would stop." But it stopped a far way from Ochsner. There's a long history to this sort of confusion: as a child I was told many times that the highest point in New Orleans was "Monkey Hill." Monkey Hill was a pile of dirt near the Audubon Zoo, Uptown, used chiefly as a bike ramp by 10-year-old boys. The rest of the city was "below sea level." That the whole city was below sea level, along with the fact that we buried people in tombs above ground because we couldn't dig into the soil without hitting water, was what every New Orleans child learned from seemingly knowledgeable grown-ups about the ground he walked on. If there was ever a serious flood, the only place that would be above water was Monkey Hill - which caused a lot of us to wonder what the grown-ups were thinking when they brought in earth-moving machinery and flattened it. Now we didn't even have Monkey Hill to stand on.

Apart from a few engineers, no one in New Orleans knew the most important fact about the ground he stood on: its elevation. It took some weaving to get a car to my family's house, but water wasn't the obstacle. There was no water here; the damage from the wind, on the other hand, was sensational, like nothing I had ever seen. Telephone poles lay like broken masts in the middle of the street. Wires and cables hung low over the streets like strings of popcorn on a Christmas tree. But the houses, the gorgeous old New Orleans houses, were pristine, untouched.

eyond Uptown, here is what I knew, or thought I knew: Orleans Parish prison had been seized by the inmates, who also controlled the armory. Prisoners in their orange uniforms had been spotted outside, roaming around the tilapia ponds - there's a fish farm next to the prison - and whatever that meant, it sounded ominous: I mean, if they were getting into the tilapias, who knew what else they might do? Gangs of young black men were raging through the Garden District, moving toward my parents' house, shooting white people. Armed young black men, on Wednesday, had taken over Uptown Children's Hospital, just six blocks away, and shot patients and doctors. Others had stolen a forklift and carted out the entire contents of a Rite Aid and then removed the whole front of an Ace Hardware store farther uptown, on Oak Street. Most shocking of all, because of its incongruity, was the news that looters had broken into Perlis, the Uptown New Orleans clothing store, and picked the place clean of alligator belts, polo shirts with little crawfish on them and tuxedos most often rented by white kids for debutante parties and the Squires' Ball.

I also knew, or thought I knew, that right up to Thursday night, there had been just two houses in Uptown New Orleans with people inside them. In one, a couple of old coots had barricaded themselves behind plywood signs that said things like "Looters Will Be Shot" and "Enter and Die." The other, a fortlike house equipped with a massive power generator, was owned by Jim Huger - who happened to grow up in the house next door to my parents. (When I heard that he had the only air-conditioning in town and I called to ask if I could borrow a bed, he said, "I'm that little kid you used to beat on with a Wiffle Ball bat, and I gotta save your ass now?") In Jim Huger's house, until the night before, several other young men had holed up, collecting weapons and stories. Most of these stories entered the house by way of a reserve officer in the New Orleans Police Department, a friend of Jim's, who had gone out in full uniform each day and come back with news directly from other cops. From Tuesday until Thursday, the stories had grown increasingly terrifying. On Thursday, a police sergeant told him: "If I were you, I'd get the hell out of here. Tonight they gonna waste white guys, and they don't care which ones." This reserve cop had looked around and seen an amazing sight, full-time New Orleans police officers, en masse, fleeing New Orleans. "All these cops were going to Baton Rouge to sleep because they thought it wasn't safe to sleep in New Orleans," he told me. He had heard that by the time it was dark "there wouldn't be a single cop in the city."

On Thursday night, Fort Huger was abandoned. Forming a six-car, heavily armed convoy, the last of Uptown New Orleans, apart from the two old coots, set off into the darkness and agreed not to stop, or even slow down, until they were out of town. They also agreed that they would try to come back in the morning, when it was light.

With one exception: one of the men who had taken his meals inside Fort Huger declined to leave New Orleans. Haywood Hillyer was his name. He had been two years behind me in school. We weren't good friends, just pieces of furniture in each other's lives. He had grown up four blocks away from me and now lived two blocks down the street, in the smallest house in the neighborhood. Any panel of judges would have taken one look at Haywood's house and voted it Least Likely to Be Looted. Haywood nevertheless insisted on risking his life to protect it. Outwardly conformist - clean-shaven, bright smile, well-combed dark wavy hair, neatly pressed polo shirts, gentle and seemingly indecisive manner - Haywood was capable all the same of generating a great deal of original behavior. This he did in the usual New Orleans way, by thinking things through at least halfway for himself before leaping into action. This quality in Haywood, the instinct to improvise, is also in the city; it's why New Orleans is so hospitable to jazz musicians, chefs and poker players.

The others couldn't decide whether to pity or admire Haywood, but in the end they gave him all their extra guns and ammo. By the time the convoy left the city Thursday night, Haywood had himself a .357 magnum, a .38 Special, a 9-millimeter Beretta and a sleek, black military-grade semiautomatic rifle, along with a sack holding 1,000 rounds of ammunition. Like most of the men in Uptown New Orleans, Haywood knew how to shoot a duck. But he had never fired any of these weapons or weapons remotely like them. He didn't even know what the sleek black rifle was; he just called it an "AK Whatever It Is." But that Thursday night, he took the three pistols and the AK Whatever It Was and boarded himself up inside his house.

Immediately he had a problem: a small generator that powered one tiny window air-conditioning unit. It cooled just one small room, his office. But the thing made such a racket that, as he put it, "they could have busted down the front door and be storming inside and I wouldn't have heard them. There could have been 20 natives outside screaming, 'I'm gonna burn your house down,' and I'd a never heard it." Fearing he might nod off and be taken in his sleep, he jammed a rack filled with insurance-industry magazines against the door. (Haywood sells life insurance.) In his little office, he sat all night - as far as he knew, the last white person left in New Orleans. He tried to sleep, he said, but "I kept dreaming all night long someone was coming through the door." He didn't leave his air-conditioned office until first light, when he crept out and squinted through his mail slot. In that moment, he was what Uptown New Orleans had become, even before the storm: a white man, alone, peering out through a slot in search of what might kill him. All he needed was the answer.

But that moment passed, and when the sun rose, he did, too, and went back to Fort Huger for food and clean water and a bath, in the form of a dip in the swimming pool. An hour later, in his underpants, and with a pistol in his hand, he discovered that he had accidentally locked the door to Fort Huger behind him, leaving all his keys and clothes and guns, save the one pistol, inside the fort. He couldn't think of what to do - he certainly didn't want to do anything so rash as break one of Jim Huger's cut-glass windows - so he plopped down on the porch in his soggy boxer shorts with the gun in his lap, and waited, hoping that the good guys would reach him before the bad guys did.

III. The Ex-Israeli Commandos and Their Russian Flying Machines

That's when I arrived - on the heels of the young men who fled town the night before. Unaware of Haywood's plight, I pulled up across the street from my parents' house, into the only spot clear of debris, in front of old Ms. Dottie Perrier's place. For many years now, the easiest way to determine if she was home had been to pull your car right up in front: if she was in, she would throw open her upstairs shutter and ask, sweetly, that you park someplace else. Now, along with going the wrong way down one-way streets, running stop signs and crossing the Audubon Park on the grass, parking right in front of Ms. Perrier's house was one of the new pleasures of driving around a city without any people in it.

The moment I cut the engine, her shutters sprang open. Out the front door she flew, with her white hair nicely coiffed and her big blue eyes blinking behind the oversize spectacles perched on her nose without earpieces. She had the air of an owl who has mistaken day for night. After spending the last five days inside her house, she was intensely curious.

"Where is everybody?" she asked.

"There's been a hurricane," I said. "The city has been evacuated. Everybody's gone."

"Really! So they've all left, et cetera?"

Her surprise was as genuine as her tone was pleasant. Two days before, it turned out, one of the men inside Fort Huger passed by and noticed outgoing mail in her slot. One letter was her electric bill - four days after the entire city lost power. He knocked on her door, told her she really should get out of town and then tried to explain to her that the postman wasn't coming, perhaps for months. Whereupon Ms. Perrier put her hands on her hips and said, "Well, no one informed me!"

Just then a car turned the corner, rolled up to a house in the next block and stopped. Its appearance was as shocking as the arrival of a spaceship filled with aliens - apart from Ms. Perrier, I hadn't seen a soul, or a car, for miles. Four men with black pistols leapt out of it. Two of them looked as if they belonged in the neighborhood - polo shirts, sound orthodontia, a certain diffidence in their step. But the other two, with their bad teeth and battle gear, marched around as if they had only just captured the place. Leaving Ms. Perrier, I wandered down and met my first former Israeli commandos, along with their Uptown New Orleans employers, who had come to liberate their homes.

They had just landed Russian assault helicopters in Audubon Park. Not one, but two groups of Uptown New Orleanians had rented these old Soviet choppers, along with four-to-six-man Israeli commando units (platoons? squads?), and swooped down onto the soccer field beside the Audubon Zoo. Down, down, down they had come, then jumped out to, as they put it, "secure the perimeter." Guns aimed, eyes darting, no point on the compass uncovered. As a young man in this new militia later told me: "Hell, yes, I was scared. We didn't know what to expect. We thought Zulu nation might be coming out of the woods." But the only resistance they met was a zookeeper, who came out with his hands up.

All of this happened just moments before. Right here, in my hometown. All four men were still a little hopped up. The commandos went inside to "clear the house." A nice little yellow house just one block from my childhood home. Not a human being - apart from Ms. Perrier and me - for a mile in each direction. And yet they raised their guns, opened the door, entered and rattled around. A few minutes later they emerged, looking grim.

"You got some mold on the upstairs ceiling," one commando said gravely.

IV. Fears, From High Ground to Troubled Waters

Pretty quickly, it became clear that there were more than a few people left in the city and that they fell broadly into two categories: extremely well armed white men prepared to do battle and a ragtag collection of irregulars, black and white, who had no idea that there was anyone to do battle with. A great many of the irregulars were old people, like Ms. Perrier, who had no family outside New Orleans and so could not imagine where else they would go. But there were also plenty of people who, like the portly, topless, middle-aged gay couple in short shorts walking their dogs down St. Charles Avenue every day, seemed not to sense the slightest danger.

The city on high ground organized itself around the few houses turned into forts. By Saturday morning, Fort Huger was again alive with half a dozen young men who spent their day checking on houses and rescuing the two groups of living creatures most in need of help: old people and pets. Two doors down from my sister's house on Audubon Park was Fort Ryan, under the command of Bill Ryan, who lost an eye to a mortar in Vietnam, was hit by a hand grenade and was shot through the arm and then returned home with a well-earned chestful of ribbons and medals. Him you could understand. He had passed the nights sitting on his porch with his son at his side and a rifle on his lap. "The funny thing is," he told me, "is that before now my son never asked me what happened in Vietnam. Now he wants to know."

The biggest fort of all was Fort Ramelli, a mansion on St. Charles Avenue. At Fort Ryan, they joked, lovingly, about Fort Ramelli. "We used to say that if a nuclear bomb went off in New Orleans, the only thing left would be the cockroaches and Bobby Ramelli," said Nick Ryan, Bill's son. "Now we're not so sure about the cockroaches." Bobby Ramelli and his son spent the first five days of the flood in his flat boat, pulling, they guessed, about 300 people from the water.

The police had said that gangs of young black men were looting and killing their way across the city, and the news had reached the men inside the forts. These men also had another informational disadvantage: working TV sets. Over and over and over again, they replayed the same few horrifying scenes from the Superdome, the convention center and a shop in downtown New Orleans. If the images were to be reduced to a sentence in the minds of Uptown New Orleans, that sentence would be: Crazy black people with automatic weapons are out hunting white people, and there's no bag limit! "The perspective you are getting from me," one of Fort Huger's foot soldiers said, as he walked around the living room with an M-16, "is the perspective of the guy who is getting disinformation and reacting accordingly." He spoke, for those few days, for much of the city, including the mayor and the police chief.

No emotion is as absurd as fear when it is proved to be unjustified. I was aware of this; I was also aware that it is better to be absurdly alive than absurdly dead. I broke into the family duck-hunting closet, loaded a shotgun with birdshot and headed out into the city. Running around with a 12-gauge filled with birdshot was, in the eyes of the local militia, little better than running around with a slingshot - or one of those guns that, when you shoot them, spit out a tiny flag. Over the next few days, I checked hundreds of houses and found that none had been broken into. The story about the Children's Hospital turned out to be just that, a story. The glass door to the Rite Aid on St. Charles near Broadway - where my paternal grandfather collapsed and died in 1979 - was shattered, but the only section disturbed was the shelf stocking the Wild Turkey. The Ace Hardware store on Oak Street was supposed to have had its front wall pulled off by a forklift, but it appeared to be, like most stores and all houses, perfectly intact. Of all the stores in town, none looked so well preserved as the bookshops. No one loots literature.

Oddly, the only rumor that contained even a grain of truth was the looting of Perlis. The window of the Uptown clothing store was shattered. But the alligator belts hung from their carousel, and the shirts with miniature crawfish emblazoned on their breasts lay stacked as neatly as they had been before Katrina churned up the gulf. On the floor was a ripped brown paper sack with two pairs of jeans inside: the thief lacked both ambition and conviction.

The old houses were also safe. There wasn't a house in the Garden District, or Uptown, that could not have been easily entered; there wasn't a house in either area that didn't have food and water to keep a family of five alive for a week; and there was hardly a house in either place that had been violated in any way. And the grocery stores! I spent some time inside a Whole Foods choosing from the selection of PowerBars. The door was open, the shelves groaned with untouched bottles of water and food. Downtown, 25,000 people spent the previous four days without food and water when a few miles away - and it's a lovely stroll - entire grocery stores, doors ajar, were untouched. From the moment the crisis downtown began, there had been a clear path, requiring maybe an hour's walk, to food, water and shelter. And no one, not a single person, it seemed, took it.

Here, in the most familial city in America, the people turned out to know even less of one another than they did of the ground on which they stood. Downtown, into which the people too poor to get themselves out of town had been shamefully herded by local authorities, I found the mirror image of the hysteria uptown. Inside the Superdome and the convention center, rumors started that the police chief, the mayor and the national media passed along: of 200 people murdered, of countless rapes, of hundreds of armed black gang members on the loose. (Weeks later, The Times Picayune wrote that just two people were found killed and there had been no reports of rape. The murder rate in the city the week after Katrina hit was unchanged.) There, two poor people told me that the flood wasn't caused by nature but by man: the government was trying to kill poor people. (Another reason it may never have occurred to the poor to make their way into the homes and grocery stores of the rich is that they assumed the whole point of this event was for the rich to get a clean shot at the poor.) In their view, the whole thing, beginning with the levee break and ending with the cramming of thousands of innocent people into what they were sure were death chambers with murderers and rapists, was a setup.

My great-grandfather J. Blanc Monroe is dead and gone, but he didn't take with him the climate of suspicion between rich and poor that he apparently helped foster. On St. Claude Avenue, just below the French Quarter, there was a scene of indigents, old people and gay men employed in the arts fleeing what they took to be bombs being dropped on them by Army helicopters. What were being dropped were, in fact, ready-to-eat meals and water in plastic jugs. But falling from the sky, these missiles looked unfriendly, and when the jugs hit concrete, they exploded and threw up shrapnel. The people in the area had heard from the police that George W. Bush intended to visit the city that day, and they could not imagine he meant them any good - but this attack, as they took it, came as a shock. "Run! Run!" screamed a man among the hordes trying to outrun the chopper. "It's the president!"

V. Securing Things, Including Dottie Perrier

Four days after I arrived, I walked down St. Charles Avenue and watched the most eclectic convoy of official vehicles ever assembled. It included (I couldn't write fast enough to list them all): the New York City Police Department, the Alameda County Fire Department, the Aspen Fire Department, the S.P.C.A. from somewhere in Kentucky, emergency-rescue trucks from Illinois and Arizona, the Austin Fire Department, the U.S. Coast Guard, the Consulate of Iceland and several pickup trucks marked, mysteriously, FPS: Federal Protection Services. The next day, the police chief said that New Orleans was "probably the safest city in America right now," and the mayor, removed to Dallas, announced that the city would be forcibly evacuated. The old social logic of New Orleans was now turned on its head: the only people welcome inside were those who had never before been there.

Overnight, the city went from being a place that you couldn't get out of to a place you had to be a conniver to stay in. In the few people who still needed to be saved there was a striking lack of urgency. When Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu, rescuing people in a boat, spotted three young men on a roof and tried to ferry them out, they told him to leave them be and said, "We want to be helicoptered out." After my host, Jim Huger, took a pirogue to help an old man surrounded by flood waters, he passed an old woman sitting on her porch and offered to rescue her too. "Are you the official Coast Guard?" she asked. He said he wasn't. "I'm waiting for the official Coast Guard," she said and sat back down.

I had a half-dozen equally perplexing encounters. For instance, on one occasion I ran into a lady of a certain age, wearing a broad straw hat, pedaling a decrepit bicycle down the middle of St. Charles Avenue. She rode not in a straight line but a series of interlinked S's; it was as close as bike riding gets to wandering. I pulled up beside her in my car, rolled down the window and saw, in her lap, a dog more odd than she. "It has two purebred pedigrees," she said. "One is Chihuahua and the other is poodle."

"Are you all right?" I asked.

"I'm fine!" she said. "It's a beautiful day."

"Do you want to evacuate?" I asked, because I couldn't think of what else to say.

"I have $80," she said, still smiling. "I'd like to go to New York, but you tell me how far you can go in New York with $80."

In the back of my car, I now had about 60 gallons of water, picked up from beside Uptown houses, with the intention of redistributing them to the needy. "Do you need anything?" I asked her. "Water? Food?"

"No," she said, still pedaling. "I have a lot of water and even more food."

As I pulled away toward the water, she shouted, "But I could use some ice!"

Until now it had been possible to get around without credentials. But with the National Guard banging on doors, telling people they had to leave the city, out came the most outlandish fake ID's I had laid eyes on since high school. One fellow got around on a Marriott Hotel security badge, another dummied up a laminated picture of himself that said he was a doctor. On Louisiana Avenue, one of the world's leading dealers of African sculpture, Charlie Davis, answered his door to National Guardsmen. He told them he was employed by newspapers as a photographer, but when he turned to get his (fake) press pass, he told me, "the guns went up." When asked how much force he would use to remove people from their homes, Police Chief Eddie Compass said that he couldn't be precise because "if you are somebody who is 350 pounds, it will obviously take more force to move you than if you are 150 pounds." (Compass has since resigned.) Even the people who had come back home in Russian assault helicopters made a hasty exit, invariably leaving behind them, flying from a porch, the American flag. It was a symbol not of liberty but of personal defiance, a tribute to underdog-dom. It was aimed at the enemy and said, Take that! The Confederate flag had become unnecessary.

I drove over to give Ms. Perrier the news. Ms. Perrier weighs far less than 150 pounds. It would take almost no force, and little time, for the soldiers to cart her away. Wouldn't it be better if I drove her quietly out to the one hospital still open, the Ochsner Clinic, where she could be cared for?

"I'd rather go to Touro," she said. Touro is another New Orleans hospital, not as distinguished as Ochsner, but closer to her house.

"Touro's closed," I said. "Ochsner's the only hospital open in the city."

"Really! Why?"

We agreed that she would be packed and ready to go in the morning - and she was. She came out wearing a bright dress and a brave smile, carrying an ancient silver suitcase.

"When's the hurricane coming?" she asked.

"It already hit," I said, then realized it must seem callous to her to relate this shocking news in such a dull tone.

"You're kidding!" she said. "Well, I'm glad the worst is over."

It went like this all the way to the Ochsner E.R. I left her at check-in, with an understanding that she would be evaluated and, I assumed, admitted. She sat down at the bank-teller-like window and produced her wallet with various ID cards. The lady in the window assured me that Ms. Perrier would be taken care of.

VI. Afloat and Adrift

From there I set out into the water with a purpose. My brother had been found unjustifiably alive in Lafayette, La., studying satellite photographs on the Internet to determine just how many miles he would need to swim to get to his house. He alone of my immediate family had set up home beyond Uptown, but even so he had bought an old house. For some time now, he has had this thing about his little shotgun cottage - it isn't just an ordinary affection; it's true love - and so the last few days he had been contemplating total loss. It's all gone!

I reached the flood water a mile or so from the river. A mile farther, the street signs vanished below the surface, and the upper branches on old oak trees rose up from the water like the fingers of drowning men. But the water didn't simply get deeper the closer you got to the lake. There were local highs and lows, so that it was actually very hard to get around in anything but a pirogue or an airboat without scraping the bottom. I picked up Charlie Davis, the African sculpture dealer masquerading as a photojournalist, and we drove down the Esplanade Ridge through a foot or so of water until we were as close as we assumed we could get to my brother's place. I had no idea that there was such a thing as the Esplanade Ridge - a strip of high ground that runs from the (high) river to the (low) lake - but in retrospect I should have. It is the one strip of land, apart from old Crescent City decorated with lovely old homes. (It's where Degas lived during his year in New Orleans.) People built here originally because it was dry.

Before plunging off the side of the ridge, we shimmied into duck-hunting waders, surgical masks and rubber gloves. The water was black and viscous and smelled only of petroleum, but the doctors at the Ochsner Clinic had said they were finding chemical burns on people who had been in it. Waist deep, we gently ascended to the back of my brother's house - which was high and dry. The leaves in his yard crunched underfoot like fresh cornflakes. He had made his home on what amounted to a peninsula off one side of the Esplanade Ridge, saved by his preference for old New Orleans architecture.

On the way out, we were able to loop around to the car without getting wet. That's when we first heard the gunshots.

Pop!

Pop!

Pop!

They were coming from a house just across the street, maybe 30 yards away.

"That's a .22," Charlie said. The last time Charlie was amid gunfire was when he went to Liberia to buy African sculpture and wound up hiding in an elevator shaft during a coup. He knows his gunshots.

Several things happened all at once. A hissing sound (Psst! Psst!) that, it occurred to me only later, and a bit hopefully, must have been bullets whizzing past us. (After the fact, more danger is always better than less.) Overhead, two sheriffs' helicopters swooped down. Coming toward us by land was the 82nd Airborne in their jaunty red berets. We ran.

The trouble was, there was nowhere to go. We reached the end of the Esplanade Ridge and found that the only way out was back the way we came. Retracing our path, we passed the house of the man with the gun, now surrounded by the 82nd Airborne. "He's not actually shooting at anybody," the soldier in charge said wearily. "He was just trying to get someone to bring him some water."

Three hours after I dropped her off, I returned to visit Ms. Perrier, who, I assumed, would be propped up in the geriatric ward, sipping warm milk, maybe watching a game show. The lady behind the desk looked down at a sheet. "She's been discharged," she said.

"How? She doesn't even have a car."

"She'd have been bused out," she said.

It was that word, "bused," that chilled the spine. The buses were controlled by the authorities. New Orleans now had a new word for what happens to people unlucky enough to fall into the hands of the authorities purporting to save them: domed. As in "I just got domed," or "If the police knock on your door, don't answer, 'cause you might get domed." To be domed is to be herded into a domed sports building - the Superdome, the Astrodome, the Maravich basketball arena at Louisiana State University - for your own safety. Ms. Perrier hadn't really wanted to leave her house in the first place. She had entrusted herself to me. Now she had been domed.

VII. Two Very New Orleanian Reasons for Staying in New Orleans

New Orleanians often are slow to get to the point: in my youth it was not unusual for someone to call my mother, keep her on the phone for 20 minutes, hang up, then call back because she never got around to what the call was about in the first place. The point is never really the point. Conversation in New Orleans is not a tool but a pastime. New Orleans stories are given perhaps too much room to breathe; they go on and on so entertainingly that only later do you realize that there were things in them that made no sense.

At some moment, I realized that Haywood Hillyer's story made no sense. Why, really, had he stayed? The first time I asked him, he replied: "These other guys had children, so they felt it wasn't worth the risk. I didn't have children." This may have been true as far as it went, but it didn't really answer the question: childlessness is not a reason to risk your life. Just three months earlier, he married a lovely young woman who was reason enough to live. He wasn't by nature defiant, or belligerent. He was just different, in some hard-to-see but meaningful way.

The fourth time (in four days) that I put the same question to him - Yeah, but why did you stay? - Haywood stood and, with the air of a man ready to make his final statement, said: "O.K., I'll tell you why I stayed. But this it totally off the record."

"Fine, it's off the record."

"Totally off the record."

"O.K., totally off the record."

"There were these feral kittens under my house," he began, and off he went, explaining how these little kittens had come to depend upon him, how three of them now live with him but two still refuse to let him near them, even though he feeds them. There's a long story that he swore was interesting about how these cats got under his house in the first place, but the point was this: If he left, there would be no one in New Orleans to feed the cats.

Haywood Hillyer stayed and, for all anyone knew then, risked being skinned alive or worse to feed cats. And the cats didn't even like him.

Two days later, as he was pulling out of town, I explained to Haywood that he just had to let me put his story on the record. "It'll make me look like a wuss," he said. I convinced him that in view of the fact that his bravery exceeded that of the entire Police Department and possibly the Armed Forces of the United States, the last thing he would look like is a wuss.

"All right," he finally said, "but then you got to get the story exactly straight. There was one other reason I stayed. It wasn't as important as the cats. But it wouldn't be a true story unless you mentioned the other reason."

"What's the other reason?"

"The traffic."

"What?"

"It took my wife 12 hours to drive from New Orleans to Jackson on Sunday," he said. "She left Sunday at 1 p.m. and arrived in Jackson at 1 a.m."

"So?"

"That's usually a two-and-a-half-hour drive."

"Right. So what?"

"You don't understand: I hate traffic."

VIII. A City of Storytelling - and a Little Hope

There's a reason that New Orleanians often turn out to be as distinctive as their homes. The city doesn't so much celebrate individualism as assume it. It has a social reflex unlike any other I've encountered: people's first reaction to other people is to be amused by them - unless of course they've been told by the police that they are about to be killed by them.

If the behavior of the people was peculiar once the flooding started, it was peculiar in the way New Orleanians are peculiar. At the outset people were shockingly slow-footed. But then New Orleanians are always shockingly slow-footed. Even the most urgent news, the levee break, took 20 hours to officially reach the people in harm's way, long after the water itself did. But news isn't what New Orleanians tell; stories are. And the long days after the waters leveled off were a perfect storytelling environment - no reliable information, a great many wild rumors, the most outlandish fictions suddenly plausible - and the people used it to do what they do best. But so far as I can tell - and I covered much of the city, along with every inch of the high ground - very few of the many terrible things that people are reported to have done to one another ever happened. With the brutal exception of the violent young men forcibly detained in the Superdome and the convention center with 25,000 or so potential victims, civilians actually treated one another extremely well. (There's a different story to tell about government officials.) So far as I can tell, no one supposedly defending his property actually fired a shot at anyone else - though there have been a couple of stories, unconfirmed, of warning shots being fired. Yet even as the water flowed back out of the city, my father called to say that a friend in exile had just informed him that "they had to shoot about 500 looters." The only looter admitted to Ochsner, the city's one functioning hospital, was a white guy who was beaten, not shot - though badly enough that a surgeon had to remove his spleen.

Driving out of New Orleans to search for Ms. Perrier, I had a delicious sensation I associate with home, of feeling something that I ought not to feel and of being allowed to feel it. I had come to New Orleans because I felt obliged: I had skipped too many funerals already and didn't think I should miss the last big one. But the flood did not drown the past; it forced it to the surface, like one of those tightly sealed plastic coffins that, when the water comes in over the graveyard, shoot through the dirt and into broad daylight. (Yes, it turns out that we buried some of our dead in the ground too, and that the ground was perfectly capable of receiving them.) The levees were breached, but something else cracked, too, inside the people behind them. The old facade; the pretense that New Orleans was either the Big Easy or it was nothing; that no great change was ever possible. A lot of New Orleanians, from the mayor on down, obviously did not feel so easy. They harbored a deep distrust of their own city and their fellow citizens - which is why they were so quick to believe the most hysterical rumors about one another. The waters came to expose those fears and to mock them. The ghosts have been flushed out of their hiding places; now there's a chance to chase them away, or at least holler at them a bit.

The late great novelist Walker Percy, a lifelong New Orleanian, was attracted to the psychological state of the ex-suicide. The ex-suicide is the man who has tried to kill himself and failed. Before his suicide attempt, he had nothing to live for. Now, expecting to be dead and discovering himself alive, something inside him awakens: so long as he's alive, he might as well give living a shot. The whole of New Orleans is in this psychological state. The waters did their worst but still left the old city intact. They did to the public schools and the public-housing projects what the government should have done long ago. They called forth tens of billions of dollars in aid, and the attention of energetic people, to a city long starved of capital and energy. For the first time in my life, outsiders are pouring into the city to do something other than drink. For the first time in my life, the city is alive with possibilities. For the first time in my life, it doesn't matter one bit who is born to be a king. Whatever else New Orleans is right now, it isn't stagnant. As I left, I thought about what an oddly characteristic thing it would be if it was a flood that saved New Orleans.

here was to be no finding Ms. Perrier in the flesh, only the spot where her trail went cold. After a frantic search, a woman at Ochsner found that Dorothy Perrier of State Street had been bused with other refugees to the Maravich arena in Baton Rouge. From there, no one could say what had become of her. "This isn't going to take five minutes," a woman working in Missing Persons at the basketball arena said. "We have no records for most of the people who came through here." But it took exactly five minutes for her to return with the news that there were no records for Ms. Perrier. Anywhere. "Even if she did go through here, we wouldn't necessarily have a record," she said. Most likely, she added, she was bused to a shelter in Alexandria or Lake Charles. To me that sounded like wishful thinking: there wasn't room in the state for but a relative handful of the one million New Orleanians who evacuated in the past week. But on my way out, she handed me a piece of paper with phone numbers for the Red Cross. "You might try them," she said. "Sometimes they can find lost people."

I don't know why it never occurred to me to call the Red Cross. I suppose I always thought of them as something to give money to, not ask help from. But from my gate at the airport, I phoned the Red Cross, and in what seemed like an instant, a man told me, "Here she is - in Battle Creek."

"Battle Creek, La.?" I asked, hopefully.

"Battle Creek, Mich.," he said. He gave me another number, and in a minute or so Ms. Perrier herself was on the other end of the line. She couldn't have been more pleasant, even as she remained bewildered by what had just happened to her. It all took place so fast, she said, that she didn't even remember how she got from her house on State Street all the way to Michigan. (And thank God for that.) "Everyone up here is so nice, et cetera," she said. "But I really just want to go home."

Michael Lewis is a contributing writer for the magazine.


Eaglesfan27 10-11-2005 10:21 PM

I'm very excited right now. I just received word from my boss a few minutes ago that once security clears my place (which having seen it for an hour, I can't see any reason they shouldn't) that I can move back into my apartment this weekend!!!

Better yet (well bad from one perspective) 4 of the 7 doctors in the system that I work (not LSU but the state health system - New Orleans area) have quit. Among those is the head of the inpatient unit for adolescent psychiatric services. She has permeantly moved to Atlanta because her daughter is enrolled in H.S. there and doesn't want to leave, plus she has family in the area. Also, the other doctor on that unit has asked for at least a 3 month leave of absence from that particular job due to his wife being 9 months pregnant and him not wanting to expose the baby to anything that might be in the New Orleans area that might not be good for kids. Therefore, he is going to continue to live and work in the Baton Rouge area.

This means that I'm now 99% certain (not 100% until it happens) that I will be the new inpatient director for the adolescent unit at the hospital! Also, the hospital is definitely not closing which is a miracle considering how many times certain political forces have tried to close it. I don't see any possible doctors that are going to come and swipe this one away from me either. The doctor at Children's will have his hand full there, and he doesn't like inpatient work. The other doctor is quite clear that she wants to continue to be an outpatient doctor.. So, I'll possibly have to do an extra load as I might be the only inpatient adolescent psychiatrist, but I don't mind that one bit. I'll gladly carry 20 patients to be able to work at the hospital which means I'll be able to walk to work every day, teach residents, and have a somewhat normalized schedule. The only bad news is that I was informed that due to the budgetary crisis the state faces, my salary might be reduced by about 8%, but even that can't temper my good mood right now :)


Edit: Oh yeah, my boss told me to be prepared to start work next Weds. :)

albionmoonlight 10-11-2005 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27
I'm very excited right now. I just received word from my boss a few minutes ago that once security clears my place (which having seen it for an hour, I can't see any reason they shouldn't) that I can move back into my apartment this weekend!!!

Better yet (well bad from one perspective) 4 of the 7 doctors in the system that I work (not LSU but the state health system - New Orleans area) have quit. Among those is the head of the inpatient unit for adolescent psychiatric services. She has permeantly moved to Atlanta because her daughter is enrolled in H.S. there and doesn't want to leave, plus she has family in the area. Also, the other doctor on that unit has asked for at least a 3 month leave of absence from that particular job due to his wife being 9 months pregnant and him not wanting to expose the baby to anything that might be in the New Orleans area that might not be good for kids. Therefore, he is going to continue to live and work in the Baton Rouge area.

This means that I'm now 99% certain (not 100% until it happens) that I will be the new inpatient director for the adolescent unit at the hospital! Also, the hospital is definitely not closing which is a miracle considering how many times certain political forces have tried to close it. I don't see any possible doctors that are going to come and swipe this one away from me either. The doctor at Children's will have his hand full there, and he doesn't like inpatient work. The other doctor is quite clear that she wants to continue to be an outpatient doctor.. So, I'll possibly have to do an extra load as I might be the only inpatient adolescent psychiatrist, but I don't mind that one bit. I'll gladly carry 20 patients to be able to work at the hospital which means I'll be able to walk to work every day, teach residents, and have a somewhat normalized schedule. The only bad news is that I was informed that due to the budgetary crisis the state faces, my salary might be reduced by about 8%, but even that can't temper my good mood right now :)


Edit: Oh yeah, my boss told me to be prepared to start work next Weds. :)



Wolfpack 10-11-2005 11:01 PM

Sounds like it all fell together for you! Great! However, it sounds like you'll be quite busy. Reminds me of an anecdote when Jimmy V still coached at State. One year, the team lacked depth, particularly at point guard, but fortunately we had Chris Corchiani for the starter's job, so it wasn't as bad as it could have been. Anyway, there was one game where Chris was getting particularly worn down from playing so much. He asked Coach V if he could come out. V said, "You come out when you graduate." :D

terpkristin 10-12-2005 04:30 PM

Hot damn, EF!
Congrats!!!

/tk

Eaglesfan27 10-13-2005 02:44 PM

Thanks everyone. Unfortunately, I just got some bad news today. The contractor that was performing security, maintenance, housekeeping, and food services for the hospital has announced that they are unable to provide service to the hospital for now or the near future. The hospital is attempting to procure the services of another contractor(s) to provide these services. However, they now believe that the hospital will not be able to re-open for 2-4 weeks due to this set back :(

Furthermore, I *might* not be able to move back due to the hospital considering locking the gates around the facility due to the lack of security. This would appear to be unfair to me, preventing me from lawful access to my apartment. In any case, my boss is supposed to let me know within the next 24 hours if they are going to lock the gates or they are able to keep them open ( in which case I can return home Saturday as planned.)

If I am able to move back, I'll have to either a) Work at the inpatient unit of the horrendous temporary hospital until they are able to move back to the permeant hospital in New Orleans and live in squalid conditions there or b) Work at a clinic just outside of Baton Rouge and drive the 80-90 miles each way every day. Option b is looking more attractive if I have a choice..

Oh yeah, my boss asked me about rumors that I was working in Shreveport. I told him that I wasn't (I'm being paid by LSU on special leave until November 6th and that would be illegal double dipping) but it is true that I have offers up here. I made it clear to him that I want to return to New Orleans and I hope the job and living status makes that possible. However, I think it is ultimately in my best interest that he does know that I have other options out there.

Oh well, down from the jubiliation of knowing I was going back home in 48 hours and back to waiting to see what happens in the next 24 hours or so..

At least the NFL Week 5 in pictures cheered me up :)

oliegirl 10-13-2005 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27
Thanks everyone. Unfortunately, I just got some bad news today. The contractor that was performing security, maintenance, housekeeping, and food services for the hospital has announced that they are unable to provide service to the hospital for now or the near future. The hospital is attempting to procure the services of another contractor(s) to provide these services. However, they now believe that the hospital will not be able to re-open for 2-4 weeks due to this set back :(

Furthermore, I *might* not be able to move back due to the hospital considering locking the gates around the facility due to the lack of security. This would appear to be unfair to me, preventing me from lawful access to my apartment. In any case, my boss is supposed to let me know within the next 24 hours if they are going to lock the gates or they are able to keep them open ( in which case I can return home Saturday as planned.)

If I am able to move back, I'll have to either a) Work at the inpatient unit of the horrendous temporary hospital until they are able to move back to the permeant hospital in New Orleans and live in squalid conditions there or b) Work at a clinic just outside of Baton Rouge and drive the 80-90 miles each way every day. Option b is looking more attractive if I have a choice..

Oh yeah, my boss asked me about rumors that I was working in Shreveport. I told him that I wasn't (I'm being paid by LSU on special leave until November 6th and that would be illegal double dipping) but it is true that I have offers up here. I made it clear to him that I want to return to New Orleans and I hope the job and living status makes that possible. However, I think it is ultimately in my best interest that he does know that I have other options out there.

Oh well, down from the jubiliation of knowing I was going back home in 48 hours and back to waiting to see what happens in the next 24 hours or so..

At least the NFL Week 5 in pictures cheered me up :)




That really sucks...I am so sorry! I hope everything works out for the best...

digamma 10-13-2005 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27
Thanks everyone. Unfortunately, I just got some bad news today. The contractor that was performing security, maintenance, housekeeping, and food services for the hospital has announced that they are unable to provide service to the hospital for now or the near future. The hospital is attempting to procure the services of another contractor(s) to provide these services. However, they now believe that the hospital will not be able to re-open for 2-4 weeks due to this set back :(

Furthermore, I *might* not be able to move back due to the hospital considering locking the gates around the facility due to the lack of security. This would appear to be unfair to me, preventing me from lawful access to my apartment. In any case, my boss is supposed to let me know within the next 24 hours if they are going to lock the gates or they are able to keep them open ( in which case I can return home Saturday as planned.)

If I am able to move back, I'll have to either a) Work at the inpatient unit of the horrendous temporary hospital until they are able to move back to the permeant hospital in New Orleans and live in squalid conditions there or b) Work at a clinic just outside of Baton Rouge and drive the 80-90 miles each way every day. Option b is looking more attractive if I have a choice..

Oh yeah, my boss asked me about rumors that I was working in Shreveport. I told him that I wasn't (I'm being paid by LSU on special leave until November 6th and that would be illegal double dipping) but it is true that I have offers up here. I made it clear to him that I want to return to New Orleans and I hope the job and living status makes that possible. However, I think it is ultimately in my best interest that he does know that I have other options out there.

Oh well, down from the jubiliation of knowing I was going back home in 48 hours and back to waiting to see what happens in the next 24 hours or so..

At least the NFL Week 5 in pictures cheered me up :)


I hope you don't mind, EF, but I forwarded this post to a friend of mine whose family has a business that provides maintenance/housekeeping/etc. services to businesses in New Orleans. They're trying to get in touch with Children's as I type.

Eaglesfan27 10-13-2005 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma
I hope you don't mind, EF, but I forwarded this post to a friend of mine whose family has a business that provides maintenance/housekeeping/etc. services to businesses in New Orleans. They're trying to get in touch with Children's as I type.


I don't mind, but Children's already has these services in place. They were providing it to us at the New Orleans Adolescent Hospital. It is the New Orleans Adolescent Hospital that now needs those services :)

Eaglesfan27 10-13-2005 07:37 PM

Dola -

Thanks to Oliegirl, TK, and everyone else who has voiced support (or who has sent good vibes my way without voicing them necessarily.) This has been an emotional roller coaster and an "adventure" as my boss likes to call it. I just want to return to my apartment already. I appreciate you all who let me vent, provide encouragement, etc.

I'm cautiously hopeful that when I call my boss in an hour or two, he will have some good news and tell me that I can return home Saturday as planned (even if I have to drive 63 miles each way every day to the clinic that he might want me to temporarily work at.) I just looked up the clinic where I might work temporarily, and it is closer to New Orleans than I thought :)

digamma 10-13-2005 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27
I don't mind, but Children's already has these services in place. They were providing it to us at the New Orleans Adolescent Hospital. It is the New Orleans Adolescent Hospital that now needs those services :)


Gotcha. I'll pass that along.

Eaglesfan27 10-13-2005 09:15 PM

Just finished talking to my boss, and he said we can return home! He said we just have to understand that there will be no maintenence service for at least the next 2 weeks and possibly longer. Also, there are currently still a few national guard stationed at our hospital, but once they leave they will start locking the gate to the place. However, the hospital is going to give me and Mrs. Eaglesfan a key to it and we'll just have to get out of our car to unlock and relock it as we enter and leave. All in all, very good news. However, I'm going to be a "roving doctor" and I'll be working all over the place the next few weeks until they can return to New Orleans. I don't mind that as long as it doesn't persist once they return to the hospital. I can deal with a few weeks of driving 50-75 miles to work. So Saturday I'm moving back home! The only negative is that I might miss the USC-ND game, but I'm willing to give even that up to get back to our place (although I'm hoping one of my buddies can tape it.)

JonInMiddleGA 10-13-2005 09:21 PM

Big time WOOT !

Danged happy to hear good news for ya.

Eaglesfan27 10-15-2005 09:27 PM

I'm home. Actually, I've been home for about 2 and a half hours. Mrs. Eaglesfan and I tried to clean our refrigerator/freezer for about an hour. Then, we realized that the blood from the meat appeared to be inside the refrigerator. We have heard it is game over at that point. Plus, the freezer wasn't really working. So, despite it being state property (gulp!) we dragged the refrigerator to the curb (with Mrs. Eaglesfan nearly crushing me as she shoved it down the steps...) Anyway, I just ordered a new refrigerator from Best Buy that they can deliver by Friday! Hopefully, the state won't be too unhappy as it is nicer than the one I had, but was one of their cheaper models.

So, I face uncertainty about how long we will be able to live in this apartment. I face uncertainty about my job (one of my friends who is a forensic psychiatrist has been told that he is being layed off as there is just a lack of work at this time. I guess it is good news that I haven't gotten that message yet.) But, I'm very happy to be home! Also, I'm happy to have seen the last minute or so of the USC game ;)

NoMyths 10-15-2005 09:30 PM

I imagine that with the amount of lost state property, nobody's going to sweat your fridge much. :)

JonInMiddleGA 10-15-2005 09:30 PM

Discarding state property, those lawless Nawlins'ers ;)

Eaglesfan27 10-15-2005 09:33 PM

One thing I forgot to mention. It was eerie (sp?) seeing how vacant the city appears even two weeks after this part of the city was re-opened. There are some traffic lights still not working. There are many many homes that appear dark and vacant, and only about 1/5th of the homes or less had refrigerators on the curb. I'm guessing that most of the population hasn't moved back yet.

Oh yeah, having a soldier stop me at the gate (to the hospital) and point a gun in my general vicinity while asking me for ID was a very odd experience as well. However, I'm very glad they are protecting the hospital (and my stuff by association.) :)

Buccaneer 10-15-2005 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMyths
I imagine that with the amount of lost state property, nobody's going to sweat your fridge much. :)


You think?

NoMyths 10-15-2005 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer
You think?

Yes, in fact I do.

Eaglesfan27 10-16-2005 11:24 PM

Talked to my boss earlier this evening, and he told me not to worry about needing to discard the Refrigerator. Also, driving around the city this afternoon it is not as dead as I thought it was. Lots of people working on their homes in the area, and the supermarket was rather busy with lines that lasted about 15 minutes. All-in-all not too bad. Most stores are still closed, but many are scheduled to re-open within the next 2 weeks at least for limited hours. My boss told me that he should have some work for me to do somewhere in a 80 mile radius within the next few days and I should expect to be working again by Weds.

Eaglesfan27 10-20-2005 06:33 PM

I just got the call from Best Buy! My new refrigerator will be delivered between 1:30 and 3:30 PM tomorrow.

Meanwhile, the job situation continues to be extremely chaotic, and I'm being used at various sites for a few hours here and there to fill in, with no regular job yet. I'm told that I should have a regular job in the next few weeks, but I also notice that LSU is laying off any unnecessary employees on November 7th (they are paying us until the 6th.) I hope I don't end up being one of the layed off ones, but there should be some good options around the country (and perhaps in Louisiana) if that does happen.

terpkristin 10-21-2005 07:59 AM

I'm sure you and your wife are thrilled about the fridge. :)

As for the rest of the mess, keep thinking good thoughts, SOMEHOW it's going to work out. Sounds like you're managing as best you can. Hopefully you'll get some resolution be able to return to your regularly scheduled life and career soon. We're still all thinking about ya! :)

/tk

albionmoonlight 10-21-2005 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27
I just got the call from Best Buy! My new refrigerator will be delivered between 1:30 and 3:30 PM tomorrow.

Meanwhile, the job situation continues to be extremely chaotic, and I'm being used at various sites for a few hours here and there to fill in, with no regular job yet. I'm told that I should have a regular job in the next few weeks, but I also notice that LSU is laying off any unnecessary employees on November 7th (they are paying us until the 6th.) I hope I don't end up being one of the layed off ones, but there should be some good options around the country (and perhaps in Louisiana) if that does happen.


Considering the kind of work you do, how hard is it to be used for a few hours here and there. I have a sense of psych work as relying on stability and relationships, etc. Unlike a doc. who is patching up broken arms and can go from one clinic to another.

Is my impression wrong, or are you noticing that problem?

Eaglesfan27 10-21-2005 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight
Considering the kind of work you do, how hard is it to be used for a few hours here and there. I have a sense of psych work as relying on stability and relationships, etc. Unlike a doc. who is patching up broken arms and can go from one clinic to another.

Is my impression wrong, or are you noticing that problem?



Your impression is correct. This is very frustrating professionally as well as personally. The plan on where to use me changes every day, and I don't get to know any of the patients that I treat. Before the storm, I was used to running a clinic with about 150 patients that I see once or twice a month, and I was starting to develop relationships with them. That is part of what attracted me to psychiatry in the first place as opposed to another speciality where you rarely see your patients. The way they are rotating me now, it is nearly impossible to be truly productive.

I've been told today that I will be working at a clinic in Baton Rouge (about 80 miles away with some very heavy traffic likely) for 4 hours on Monday and Thursday but I won't even be seeing any patients. I'll be supervising 3 or 4 residents. I love teaching, but that is going to be an odd situation as well. I'm not sure if I'll be there for 1 week or longer. Heck, I'm not sure the plan won't change between the time I was told it at 8:00 this morning and Monday. I've realized that the lack of organization throughout the state means that no plan is definite and anything can change at any moment. I have no idea if I will still be taking over the inpatient unit when it moves back. Again, this is all so frustrating.

However, I keep reminding myself that I'm one of the lucky ones who has a place to live (for now) where I have basic cable, internet, power, AC, etc. Also, my refrigerator should be arriving sometime in the next 2 hours and 15 minutes :)

Eaglesfan27 10-21-2005 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by terpkristin
I'm sure you and your wife are thrilled about the fridge. :)

As for the rest of the mess, keep thinking good thoughts, SOMEHOW it's going to work out. Sounds like you're managing as best you can. Hopefully you'll get some resolution be able to return to your regularly scheduled life and career soon. We're still all thinking about ya! :)

/tk



Thanks :)

Like I said above, I'm doing my best to keep focused on the many ways I've been blessed throughout this situation. I'm much more fortunate than many people who were affected by the storm.

Eaglesfan27 12-08-2005 10:32 PM

A lot has happened since I last posted in this thread, but there were some things I was compelled to keep quiet about. However, having heard most of them announced on the news, I think I can talk about them now.

Tulane has slashed it's medical school faculty. They cut about 180 positions, plus another 50 positions from their undergraduate department. They also cut half of their athletic programs including a men's tennis team that has had a very successful history. It is rather sad. I did some of my training at Tulane, and unlike some LSU staff, I have a great deal of affection for Tulane.

LSU also had massive cuts in their medical school faculty list. A few of my colleagues were let go. My job was in jeopardy at times, but I survived the first round of cuts as well as the second round of cuts which were announced recently. In fact, the former Chief of Psychiatry (who was also an LSU Medical School Faculty member) at Children's Hospital quit and moved out of state. I'm now the Chief of Psychiatry which is a nice promotion. However, given the current financial realities facing the state, I find myself wondering how long that will last.

The good news is that I've got leads on several other jobs in the State should this current job fall through. The bad news is that one of those jobs might want me to take over soon. From an email I received tonight, that seems a likely possibility now. It's a state job, so I'm not sure how much more stable it is than my current job. However, it is in another part of the state that hasn't lost much of it's population and has actually grown in population. Therefore, that likely means it is more secure. I'm going to be praying for guidance as well as analyzing the situation. Should anyone feel inclined, I'd appreciate prayers to help me make the right decision as well as any advice. :)

Pumpy Tudors 12-08-2005 10:47 PM

EF, good luck to you. I know that you will make the right decision, and I trust that you and your wife will soon get to settle someplace and really get used to just living your lives again. I'm sure that it has been difficult with the volatility of everything down there right now.

I have some really quick news. My sister only needed one more semester's worth of credits to graduate from UNO. She had enrolled in every necessary class except for a single, 1-hour geology lab before the semester. Of course, a week after the semester started, Katrina rolled through, and my sister had been on the move with my mother after that. A few weeks later, my sister enrolled for some online courses, but she didn't know if she would be able to go back to the New Orleans area for the spring semester. She was afraid of falling one credit short of graduation with no clue as to when she could complete it. Anyway, the good news is that she got an e-mail stating that she has satisfied the Louisiana Board of Regents science requirements, and the university has waived labs for graduating seniors. In a couple of weeks, she'll be a college graduate. They won't be holding a commencement ceremony at UNO this winter, but they are going to have one in May for all of the December 2005 and May 2006 graduates, and I'm sure that she'll make the two-hour trip to New Orleans in May for the ceremony. I will most likely be making my first visit down there at the same time so I can see my big sis graduate (she went part-time for several years, so she finished after me). I'm excited. :)

Eaglesfan27 12-08-2005 10:53 PM

Congrats to your sister, Pumpy! :)

albionmoonlight 12-08-2005 11:04 PM

Congrats to both of you

sachmo71 05-19-2006 05:54 PM

Thought some of you might find this flash of the flooding interesting....


http://www.nola.com/katrina/graphics/flashflood.swf


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