Is the general strategy going to be like this weekend - wait until it is crunch time to throw out names? I'm generally concerned about the ratio right now as well, but figure the best thing we can do is nail an alien with our vote tonight. Everything else is out of our control, it seems.

I'm still leaning pretty heavily towards voting for Blade. He was on the firing line last night and got off the hook. His behavior last night left me a little bit unnerved about him relative to the other three (Mr Wednesday, Fouts, Qwikshot), mainly because I don't have an impression of them yet.

Does anyone have any reason to suspect any of these four beyond voting patterns yesterday? It isn't a ton to go on, but I'm not sure what else we have right now.

I haven't seen anything to go on aside from voting patterns. The problem there is, you can pick just about any vote and find some sort of problem with it. Us four, because we were deciding votes on Schmidty. Digamma and kingfc22, because they started the bandwagon on him. And so on... I haven't decided which way I want to go with it yet.

Dola, throwing out names is one thing, but I think people tend to be a little gunshy about opening up voting. I know I am, it got me lynched in VI.

We still don't have a lot to go on.

We did have a tie vote that was broken. Tie breaking can be a good data point (if not for this vote, then for future votes).

I also like Peregrine's point about people who spread their vote around. It can be easy for the bad guys to spread votes around in the early stages.

I think it's too early for strategic role reveals, but maybe some speculation on what roles might be out there?

We know we have 5 aliens (or ectoplasmic sources) now. And we know that number went up from 4 on the first day. Obviously, it looks like the aliens can convert.

On the good guys side, I'm wondering what roles might be out there.

The other WW games have consistently featured a bodyguard type role and a spy role. Thoughts on others we might have? A duke type? A doctor?

Digamma, here are the roles people have annoited themselves with so far:

Neon_Chaos - squaddie
JeeberD - sergeant
Coffee Warlord - master sergent
Swaggs - sergeant
Vince - squaddie
Kingfc22 - pilot
Fouts - tech

Many of these have followed up with an explanation that they were role-playing the character. Think any of them are actually listing a role? Any of these roles look a little ... peculiar?

This is a line of thought that I wanted to explore more a little later, since it distracts a little from my first 'weed out the aliens' strategy. But there doesn't seem to be much conversation in that direction.

Of what you have listed, the only role in there NOT from the actual game is the Technician.

For what it's worth.

That's the key question to me. I think most people have given themselves a title, like in the real game, as CW points out. I'm more concerned with what resources we might have at our disposal in this game.

I'm not sure if I agree that it is a distraction, as I think the roles and their uses may be useful for weeding out aliens.

I don't think it is a distraction in that sense, digamma. I was just hoping that we could try to tighten the web on the four people I've been highlighting up to this point. Even with four people that is quite a few to consider. But if we extend our search to all thirteen people (basically every besides yourself) then there is so much more to evaluate.

At this point, I'm going with my gut. Hope we don't screw this up ...

Vote Blade6119

without giving away too much and making myself the next easy target, let me shine some light on my role(with an excerpt that others who share that role will understand entirely...if this doesnt prove me innocent, then god knows what will:

Role: You were one of the X-Com agents who spent mission after mission blasting the bad guys. You thought that after Cydonia, that things would finally be over. But it looks like not all the bad guys truly died after the final mission

Again, that is an excerpt as to not blatantly say whats up...most others here should recognize that from their intial roles, as id assume most of us are grunts(crap, gave it away :rolleyes: ). Im not voting for hoopsguy, as i feel he has good intentions and is on my side as well. Actually, im quite confident hes on my side, despite his disbelief in me.

Ill hold off my vote until i know better who is bad...with the 13-5 ratio, we cant afford to make mistakes

Ironic. Since I explained earlier who I suspect, I'll throw out a dart since you're quiet. This was your last post.

Vote kingfc22

I stick with the philosophy that you're trying to fly under the radar and let us take each other out. You were the second one to vote for Schmidty yesterday (bandwagon), and since you weren't on hoopsguy's list of suspects I think you're remaining quiet. Maybe this will draw you out.

Technically 8-5 ratio :)

LOL, nice find...i didnt even know he was playing...i gotta go look over that inital list again to see who else im glazing over.

13-5 sounds better...makes me feel likes its less bleak...glass half-full kind of thing.

This changes things ...

Unvote Blade6119

I know that there was a role in the last game that gave away roles, but would SirFozzie reveal role descriptions to the enemy as well? That feels like a stretch to me.

If Blade isn't guilty then the whole center of my earlier argument doesn't hold up very well. If anyone who has silently supported my line of thought can somehow connect dots that I'm not connecting then I'm more than willing to be talked back in this direction. But right now I'm feeling a little lost and frustrated because I don't see any rhyme or reason from everything that has transpired so far.

I guess this is part of what makes the game fun, but it doesn't feel that way right now. Sigh ...

Hmm, interesting Blade. That's a pretty potent revelation, though we have to keep in mind that one person was converted last night, if it was you, then you'd know what your original role was. However, my gut tells me that the aliens wouldn't have converted someone who got a lot of votes yesterday.

But, we don't know how much of that text gets re-used for other roles.

As I said earlier, we can find reasons to suspect everyone. Probably the strongest circumstantial evidence we have at the moment is against the people (me included) who cast deciding votes against Schmidty, and against the people that got the bandwagon going against him (and possibly the ones who kicked off the bandwagon against Blade, as well).

If we assume that there are "spy" type roles, then it may be of some value to ponder the lone votes.

If we learn a lesson from VI, we know that we should be suspicious of Fouts self-proclaiming an interesting "hidden role". :p

Double dola, with Schmidty apparantly one of the good guys, if Blade was also one of the good guys, then the bad guys would obviously want us to be deciding between them, and wouldn't care whether they cast a deciding vote on the matter or not.

Actually Blade let me amend what I said above, I was wrong, your information is fairly useless. You could be a good guy, sure, but if a grunt got converted last night then he could have told all the other aliens his role, it could be used as an interesting cover. I'll have to think about this.

I'm looking at kingfc22 now, his silence and safe vote are rather interesting.

Keep in mind that if there are any "secret" roles they better get moving.

Grunt: You were one of the X-Com agents who spent mission after mission blasting the bad guys. You thought that after Cydonia, that things would finally be over. But it looks like not all the bad guys truly died after the final mission, and your mission is to make sure the world stays safe from the alien menace. Screw this up, and all your friends and comrades sacrifices might mean nothing except a delay from an awful fate.

Special Ability: None, but there's more of you then there are of them. At least, you hope.

I'm going to go ahead and call out Kingfc. If he's at work, and responds when he gets home, then I'll re-evaluate. For now....

Vote Kingfc22

king i an interesting choice, but its my guy that the aliens arent just avoiding the game...their around in my mind, just not hogging the spotlight. King seems to b awol, which i why im hesitent...

In regards to answering you ? peregrine, i stated my grunt role long before someone got converted...i didnt give the wording as at the time i didnt see a need...but look back at my debates with hoopsguy and i claimed to be a grunt loonog before anyone got converted. On the other hand, i see your point, as as a veteran of these i trust your judgement in general...im just hoping your judgement doesnt involve me getting blasted to bits, as i think we need everyone we can get to win this.

double dola, headed to work for a couple hours, be back later tonight

My question about kingfc was the pilot role he claimed earlier - that is the one that felt the most contrived to me. I know that we had pilots in the dynasty and it makes sense that someone is a pilot. But I can't envision what that role would be in the sake of this game. We are in the base and not getting out until we have bagged our allotment of aliens. What is the pilot role bringing to the table here? Just seemed weird.

I haven't seen king lurking in the thread at all, which makes me believe he might not have PC access. I know he had trouble with his Internet in the last game (VI). But the pilot thing just had me scratching my head.

Peregrine, the role reveal makes a lot of sense. I'm just a little concerned at this point that I'm looking for reasons to shoot Blade rather than reasons to exonerate him.

Checking in, I was switched to dayshift after 7 years of 2nd.

I think king was a pilot in the Godzilla Blitz dynasty...but I can't recall.

I'm going to stir up this voting and

vote Fouts

Fouts, any reasons why you aren't an alien?

This is getting pretty interesting with kingfc22 at this point. The longer he goes without responding, I can only think of two possibilities:

1. He's innocent and is unavailable
2. He's guilty and wants us to think he's unavailable

The second possibility is intriguing, but I think there will come a time when he will need to speak up or he's gone.

Sorry to have not been around this morning guys -- had to take my grandfather to the dentist. I don't know what's worse -- going to the dentist, or sitting for two hours in the dentist's waiting room listening to the drill. *Shivers*

Well, Blade seems to have the description nailed down pat -- but as Peregrine mentioned (maybe someone else did too, not sure) -- there's an extra alien now, and no extra bodies that we are aware of. That means that the aliens have somehow managed to convert someone (the scream last night tends to also imply that there was a conversion, rather than some sort of cloning process or something), and someone who COULD have been a Grunt could now be an alien, and able to flash that description.

This isn't going to be easy, that's for sure.

I'm not sure King is an alien just because he is quiet. Schmidty was quiet and we were wrong. I don't want to be wrong again. My greatest fear is becoming some alien thing. I'm inclined to vote for Blade, Qwikshot or Mr. Wednesday since I am grouped with them.

Why Fouts? You're quickly becoming my second choice if kingfc22 speaks up with a good excuse. I'd think after past Werewolf games, you would know that people always need some type of rationale of who you vote for since you'll become a target if you don't say why.

As I have said, I am a deathly afraid of these aliens. I really don't want to be here and it is looking more like we are all going to become one of them. Let's really look at who is putting up the smokescreens.

I vote Peregrine.

Call it latent anger at the randomness of my death in his last incarnation of the game :)

Seriously though -- Peregrine has been fairly quiet, but not too quiet. He threw out the first shot against Schmidty, and while it's commendable to start things off, we did see how that went. Now, he has without any warning, fired a shot at Fouts. His only other thought in the post is "Any reasons why you aren't an alien?" I just get a bad feeling about him.

Dola -- I also want to let people know that I am fully willing to change my vote if new information comes to light.

Fouts, since you have outted your role, I'm interested in seeing if you could give up some details of what you do.

Although I appreciate the support, I think Peregrine is a grunt. Mostly because he is trigger happy. Still looking at the 3 people grouped with me on the last vote. I can't believe we're throwing that down the tubes.

Me either, Fouts. Although I'm a little surprised you are the one with me reinforcing this idea. The "deathly afraid of aliens" defense isn't exactly inspired but you seem to be moving in the same path as me with your voting process right now. Enemy of my enemy is my friend? Or just hoping that Blade gets the attention out of you four by virtue of being the most vocal?

Just one thing, the aliens can email amongst themselves right...so what if the one they assimilated was a grunt, and therefore they could forward the description to the accused to prove credibility?

It's not a final vote, it's an accusation. Get people talking, seeing their name in bold, and sometimes they make a mistake. I'm just stirring things up.

I won't, and you don't want me to. Seriously, Peregrine, Vince, Swaggs... you guys need me.

That's what you said in VI.

This is a new game, and in the last one I was full of it. I was way out there.

No dice, Vince. I'm plenty human, if for no other reason than SirFozzie had already assigned the roles before I even started. You think he would have saved an alien role for a 15th player that may or may not have ever showed up? Unlikely.

Seems that way, Qwik. Was just musing to myself about who I would convert last night if I was the aliens. I would have bagged Peregrine, who has run a few of these games and who is the most likely player to improve overall team strategy. Then he releases the information to the aliends and comes up later that afternoon to point out the flaw in doing so, thus reducing any suspicions that he was converted.

I'm not ready to go down this path quite yet, but if I was guessing who was screaming last night he is at the top of the list.

I'm really not sure what I'm waiting for on voting either ... Vote Blade6119

I really think people leave subtle clues in what they post. You just have to look at it closely. Most time though, it is only good information once they are dead. Only the dead can be trusted.

I am far from certain, but I am guessing that hoopsguy was converted last night. He "outted" himself as a grunt immediately after Schmidty was lynched. That pretty much told the aliens that you didn't have any special powers that could harm them (like a counterstrike) and made you unlikely to be lynched in the following days.

Voting for Blade6119 after he, more or less, verified his role as a grunt smells fishy to me.

I Vote hoopsguy

Well, I've now got a whole bunch of interesting data on people voting, but I'm not sure how much is worth a damn. So far, the only prominent pattern I've identified is HoopsGuy voting for Blade. :p

So far:
Peregrine opened voting overall on Day 1, and opened voting for Fouts on Day 2.
RA and CW both voted for kingfc22 after not casting a vote on Day 1. kingfc22 was the second voter for Schmidty yesterday.
Vince opened voting for Peregrine today after opening voting for Swaggs on Day 1 (with Swaggs not picking up any additional votes).
Swaggs piled onto Blade on day 1, then opened voting on HoopsGuy today.
Myself, Fouts, and Qwikshot all piled on Schmidty on day 1 and have yet to cast a vote today, although both myself and Fouts have been active in discussion.

Dola, and HoopsGuy opened voting overall today on Blade, before recanting and then unrecanting the vote.

That's a pretty good reason...and you have been putting a bit more of the strategy talk out there than even an alien trying to be inconspicuous would do. Sigh. Last time I was a bad guy, and it was so easy because you KNEW a lot. Without knowing anything, the paranoia starts to set in...

Unvote peregrine.

Sweet. My first time ever getting a vote in a werewolf game (four or five game days)!

I don't find anything in your logic to disagree with - I would probably have put myself pretty high on the "to convert" list when I was tryinig to think like an alien, but it doesn't make sense to consider yourself in an argument since you know EXACTLY what you are while you are guessing at everyone else.

I think Blade would have come off as a little more believable if he hadn't been so blatant in his grunt advertising - posting the entire description and practically beating his chest while revealing it. Who knows, maybe I'm looking too deeply into it but here it goes ...

In post #208 I cast my vote saying "Hope we don't screw this up", looking for a fellow grunt to pick up on this and complete part of the description in their reply. But in the very next post Blade drops half of the description and then the other half a few replies down. So now that information is completely shot for authenticating 'grunt' status.

Maybe I was being too subtle (like Fouts alluded to in one of his weird posts) in going after it this way, but Blade certainly wasn't. I was trying to figure out why he would posture like this:

A.) He is a grunt and is pretty sure I'm going to lead a charge to lynch him
B.) He is an alien and has the description, as outlined by a couple of other people

I'll leave it for other people to figure out which of these seems to fit better.

As far as voting goes, he voted Digamma (lone vote there) on day 1, very early on too -- not sure why HoopsGuy turned and piled on Blade right after that -- and has not yet cast a vote today.

Yeah, well, if you don't buy it as authentication from him, you shouldn't buy it for authentication from anyone else either.

Hmm, Swaggs, I see some problems here.

1) Hoopsguy voted for Blade /before/ he "verified" his role, not after, like a half hour before.

2) Keep in mind that you voted for Blade yesterday with a middle "safe" vote.

3) You're trying to throw suspicion on someone I think pretty likely to be a grunt, since he was the first one to mention it before the aliens converted anyone.

4) Isn't it more likely that the aliens would have ignored a known grunt and tried to shoot for someone with special powers? I know I would have. Each grunt that identifies himself only makes their job easier.

5) You suggested that Fouts give up details of his role, I'm not sure any villager would want that as it would make him alient bait. Of course you could both be aliens, so this is a fairly weak reason, that's why its last.

unvote Fouts
vote Swaggs

Any defense?

Nope, not anymore Mr. Wednesday. But before the full reveal of the text I would have been willing to believe it. Maybe been conned by it, but you are absolutely correct. That information validates no one at this point.

1.) hoopsguy immediately and correctly identified Schmidty as a fellow grunt shortly after Schmidty's fate was sealed and Schmidty used the word "grunt".

2.) Keep in mind it was the first day in voting and you cannot form a pattern from one event.

3.) Blade6119 has given up his role/powers and hoopsguy seemed to confirm that what he said was correct. Yet hoopsguy voted for Blade6119 with what I consider shaky evidence.

4.) I disagree. hoopsguy outted himself last night as a "good guy." That makes him unlikely to be lynched and, thus, makes the aliens more likely to be selected in a lynching. Also, identifying himself as a grunt let the aliens know that he would be an easy kill/convert, as he wouldn't have a counterstrike or do anything random. In the game that I was a werewolf, I know I preferred getting the numbers more to my liking before doing anything random.

5.) I have my reasons for asking Fouts about his role based on some of his wording.

I hate to do it, but Blade's defense seems pretty solid. He nailed the grunt description and I really doubt that the aliens would convert someone who nearly got blasted the first day.

I don't know who to vote for at this point...

Just curious, but how far do you need to skew the numbers in your favor as the enemy? They were starting off with better numbers than any previous werewolf game I have read.

I'm sorry that people view my pursuit of Blade as some kind of sinister maneuver. I suppose the safe play would have been to be the third man on kingfc, who isn't around to defend himself. That would be playing to survive, not playing to win. If I go out here it will because I was playing to win and I felt the best way to do that was to eliminate a very, very strong doubt.

I'm sort of at a loss here too.

Right now, we've got a couple of votes for king and a vote each for four guys.

I lean towards believing Blade's defense.

hoopsguy has been leading the alien-outing charge, yet something does seem a little off about his attack on Blade.

Peregrine's reason for suspecting Swaggs may be the strongest accusation to date.

In summary, I got virtually nothing at this point.

It was more the fear of having an ineffective attack and/or having someone like a hunter counter-attack. When you have only a few people, losing one is devastating.

I'm willing to give ground to my fellow troops if everyone seems to believe Blade - but I'm obviously concerned that will appear to be flip-flopping and make me more of a suspect.

If Blade is among the aliens at the end of this I'm going to be dropping some serious "I told you so's" in the post-mortem.

Last game I let Thomkal talk me out of lynching Jeff - that didn't turn out very well for mankind. Maybe that is why I'm being so stubborn here.

I don't think flip-flopping gets you in trouble on its own merits... it gets you in trouble in the context of who you flip-flop from and to, and then only when the roles of the votees get revealed.

We have to be careful here about the idea that Blade was converted. Even if he was, it's going to be much easier to go after any original aliens than anyone who was converted, simply because we won't have to be going through posts and trying to second-guess everything they said.

Even if he's not an alien, I'm not buying Swaggs idea about the "counter attack." Even if a player had a counter attack, the aliens still have huge numbers here, and unless they have some knowledge about us and our roles that we don't know about (possible) they can afford to lose one in fishing for the Seer or other key roles.

That's the problem, Wednesday. The theory of the game I have concocted up to this point revolves around lynching alien Blade today and then taking a hard look at the other three candidates I had isolated last night. I'm still pretty sure this is a better approach than anything else I have seen revealed to date, Grunt reveal notwithstanding. If there had not been a conversion last night then I would have been forced to admit the flaws in this approach.

Kingfc (weird pilot role) and Peregrine (who I would convert, if I was an alien) are the two guys that I'm the most leery about outside of my initial four. But I really didn't want to go that direction yet, since I think the original approach is yielding one of the aliens. Plan B distracts from Plan A, or something like that.

Voting time is coming up quickly ...

I'm still going with kingfc22. I wonder what he has to say about all of this...

But if he responds, I'm very much inclined to go with Swaggs since why give yourself up even if you can counter attack? We're already short on numbers as it is...

I would be really interested in seeing Neon_Chaos's thoughts at this point, considering that he cast the lone vote for Qwikshot yesterday.

Dola, I see he's now reading the thread, so... maybe the wait won't be quite as long as I thought.

Why is it so hard to buy?

If their goal is to have even numbers so that they can overthrow whoever is left, then each of the alien that dies damages their chances of evening the numbers.

I'm interested in exploring this angle. Qwikshot has only a couple of posts today. I see him lurking down there.

Here's his one substantive post today:


I think he is probably correct, but I don't think we've had confirmation to this point of alien abilities.

The second half could be used by an alien to throw suspicion on someone who the aliens knew wasn't one of them--in this case, Blade.

What say you Qwikshot?

I'm not understanding this logic.

I'm saying that they (may) have attacked hoopsguy because they knew he would be an easy kill/addition to their numbers. If you are looking to kill someone and/or gain numbers on the opposition, would you rather kill the person that you knew would not fight back or risk getting yourself killed to kill an unknown?

You guys are all over the place. We need a concentrated effort. I already posted who I think is in the clear. Lets organize!

I was just stating that a mad dash would be rash...the first one who gets it always tends to be an innocent, but because of the nature of the game, you /have/ to go with the flow the first time.

Now I was thinking how easy this was to vote for and then I realized that when one of us was assimilated that the information of that person could be pm'd to blade.

I don't really point and accuse, I'm just stating that the tunnel light might just be a train coming at you.

Swaggs, if they were taking hoopsguy at face value, I'd think knowing that he's 'just a lowly grunt' would make him a much bigger candidate to remain alive. Sure, there might be some kind of counterstrike ability out there, but the opportunity cost of eliminating a much more valuable role to the good guys (like bodyguard/seer) is too good to pass up. Especially if you know that hoopsguy can't hurt you.

I voted for you on day 1 rather blindly, now there seems to be some "evidence" (I use that term very loosely) against you. I'll stay on that tack. I vote Swaggs.

Well we assume that's their goal, I don't think we know for sure. And in most games, the wolves will rarely take the easy target (the confirmed villager) for the simple fact that he has no special powers, so he can be ignored. Whereas if they convert a Seer or Doctor role, that's huge for them. I think you're trying to interpret a lot about Aliens we have no information about. I'm not saying Blade isn't converted, he may well be, but trying to focus our attention on someone who may or may not be converted is a distraction at this point. We need to be looking at people who are suspicious as the main aliens. People like Swaggs, JeeberD, Neon_Chaos, and Vince.

Mr. Wednesday, you rang? :)

Basing off my initial lengthy post, I am still on the watch for the four middle voters that took the voting into a 3-3 tie, kingfc22, digamma, JeeberD and Swaggs.

Although the hoopsguy/Blade6119 drama is also a fun, but confusing read. And of course, taking into consideration the last 3 votes of Mr Wednesday, Fouts and Qwikshot... I'm having a hard time deciding who to vote for.

I think that Peregrine's basically a grunt... not sure if the aliens went after him, but at this point I trust him more than anyone else in here. Raiders Army, I think kingfc22 is less suspicious than Swaggs, Swaggs' vote was the one that made it a 3-3 tie between Blade and Schmidty.

God help us all if we don't lynch an alien today. :(

Vote Swaggs

Just to bend our thinking here a little bit - given that the numbers have the potential to be stacked quickly against X-Com via conversions and wrong kills, are we correct in assuming that even number of aliens/humans is still the end-game? It has been in every one I have seen up to this point, but I don't recall seeing that explicitly stated at the start of this thread. Re-read post #29 and see if I'm missing something. There certainly were missions where X-Com soldiers were outnumbered (um, Cydonia?).

SirFozzie, can you confirm that this is the alien victory condition?

????

Okay. Maybe I didn't make myself clear, and maybe that has to do with the evening alcohol I consume. (BTW, I'm not an alkie, but I do like my buzz). I thought my post was pretty clear; however, I guess I was confused by Peregrine's post saying that you said you had a counter attack power....rereading it, I see you accused the aliens of having a counter attack power. Is that correct? If so, then I guess I'll stick with kingfc22...especially since he hasn't shown up to defend himself and it seems as if everyone is trying to divert attention away from him.

Well, time is running out. In order to keep myself from being suspicious I'll vote for the guy who I was supposedly connected to since I inadvertently supported him.

I vote Blade6119

As a practical matter, absent special "kill aliens" powers by non-grunt roles, if the aliens get equal numbers then they effectively win -- they can coordinate operation of the guns to wipe out the non-aliens.

Hey, and let me re-read this to see who's trying to divert attention for him...remember I voted for him first today and whether that will haunt me or exonerate me I'm not sure. The more he stays quiet and the more attention is given to other people, it makes me think of an alliance...an alien alliance.

I think the issue is that Blade might indeed be one of the initial aliens -- and that if the converted person were to have passed along the initial grunt role and all of its description, that Blade could have repeated that and made him look like he had at least started the game as a grunt.

Agreed, Mr. Wednesday - but this is a hidden roles game and Fozzie is promising tricks. So I figured it made sense to verify that this is a victory condition.

Well, the thinking I am using in trying to figure out how the aliens are thinking is based upon our (successful) strategy that we used in the second Werewolf game. Our main goal was self-preservation, so that we could get numbers as soon as possible (and projected out, by days, how we could get there). We did not want to vote together, unless it was for self preservation and our biggest fears were getting blocked by the guards and getting randomly killed by the DUke or hunter.

I will tell you that you do not want to lynch me today. It would not help us.

Vince, just in case I wasn't being clear earlier that is exactly what I think happened (Blade = alien at start), not that he was converted last night as Peregrine has speculated.

While true and you're not the first one to bring this up, I don't think it's applicable. No offense, but Blade doesn't seem like he's the sharpest knife in the drawer. His posts and various errors in spelling and English reflect that. I don't think he would be smart enough to get the description and post it to exonerate himself. Even so, it would be a stupid gambit since we could pick up on it easily.

Then again, you do what they think you'll do, because they'll think you won't do what they think you'll do, and that's the best strategy within a strategy. Then again, I don't think he's smart enough to do such a complex strategy. I've just run out of hands.

I am saying that the aliens would not to randomly pick someone that could counterstrike and kill them. I believe that they would rather get a sure kill and preserve themselves. I am not saying I have a counter-attack.

Gotcha.

Peregrine has made some valid points about Swaggs...

Vote Swaggs

I considered this when making my post accusing hoopsguy.

My thinking was that if 2 or more people jumped on the bandwagon against hoopsfan (after I first accused him), they might be aliens trying to pull the heat off of Blade6119.

Also, can I petition the Werewolf thread creators for a Seer position next time? I'm tired of being in the dark and not knowing what the Hell is going on. Three out of three games I try to make the best sense out of stuff. At least last game I got a kill power and took out KevinNU7. :)

Well keep in mind that a hidden roles game is even more murky than most, RA.

:)

Blade's mental prowess aside -- the aliens are just as smart as their smartest member. If this is anything like the last werewolf game (where I was a bad guy), they get to communicate and form plans via private messages.

This feels like a very weird bandwagon on Swaggs. I guess I should be happy since he pointed at me earlier but I'm not. He was near the bottom of the list of guys I was considering. One way or another, we'll find out soon enough I guess.

RA, I'm not sure there is a lamer position than to come in on the third day, inheriting the sheriffs man who has already used his convert power. And all the other sheriff's men were dead. In a game where virtually everyone had some power that was a serious buzzkill.

I support this post.

I feel much the same way, and his recent posts aren't helping (this coming from a guy who has now voted for him twice).

On day one, I just randomly picked someone. I don't like bandwagons, and I didn't want to be associated with one. Today...well, today I just got confused. My guts said Peregrine, but after re-reading things, I've had second thoughts. What convinced me to un-vote him was that he was posting too much strategic stuff -- it would be a great cover for an alien, but it was crossing the line a little.

The more I think about it, the more I start to think that a savvy guy like Peregrine might just do something like that -- pull off a huge 'bluff' so to speak by being one of the most vocal people here. He was the first to vote yesterday, and he missed. Today, he randomly threw out Fouts' name, then changed it up. Do those things tell us anything? I don't really think so, but it's about all we have to go on. His analysis on Swaggs is fairly good, but Swaggs hasn't done much since being fingered to convince me that he really is an alien. Reluctantly, I'm going to stick with Swaggs, but my guts are hollering at me that it's not a good move.

I saw something last night...I think it was a random occurance but I narrowed down who one of the aliens is.

Wow, this is going to be a hell of a vote to tabulate. Very interesting.

Narrowed it down to 3 anyway.

I am not an alien. Lynching me is just going to put the numbers more in the aliens' favor.

This is the reason I was so silent...I was waiting for a reply.