Apparently they regulate his internal body temperature and vitals. I don't think they are necessarily buttons, but rather an information panel.

Actually it does make sense.

3PO is always talking, and talking, and talking.

R2 is quiet, hard to understand and if you didn't notice, is always entrusted with secret information. He's a stubborn droid that doesn't give up any information.

Well, you can't believe everything on StarWars.com, freakin' fan site. :D

I liked my reason better although it would be pretty interesting to see a lightsaber cut someone's jaw off. That would be a very unusual angle.

Obviously, his opponent had the high ground...

As you recall, ANH was first released in the seventies. Back then all hollywood computers had buttons and flashing lights that looked like that. They were just trying to emphasis that he was part man and part machine back then.

Not even close.

Sure it had a better, flashier setting. Much better stunts. Sure it had flips and whipdee-doodles and such, and had amazing choreography, but it was all style, no substance.

It didn't have the emotional gravitas of any of the following three light saber duels of The Original Trilogy: Obi Wan v. Vader and Luke V. Vader I & II.

What's up with "You've lost, I have the higher ground." What? I mean, clearly he was right, but "Wha?"

Heck, that fight wasn't even the best in the New Trilogy of Suck. The Darth Maul/Qui Gon/Obi Wan holds that honor. It's a great fight actually. It actually has some style and substance to it.

Maybe all that time in the box has made you a bit soft... in the head. Two words: Harrison. Ford. Two more words: Han. Solo.

Anyone who's been in the box will tell you it certainly doesn't make you soft.

I still think Ewan McGregor was better in ROTS than Harrison Ford in any of the old movies.

was it ever explained why Chewbacca didn't get a medal at the end of ANH when Luke and Han did?

It was racialist.

He gets one in the novelization of A New Hope.

It is also been rumored that it was in the script but was cut out due to the awkardness of a 5'1" Carrie Fisher trying to get the medal over a 6'8" Peter Mayhew.

Obi Wan v. Vader? WTF?! Two old fogeys swinging slowly at each other? Substance? Hey, lets fight again... kill me and I'll be a ghost and beat you that way. Riiiiight.

For a good lightsaber fight, style is more important than 'substance', whatever 'substance' is supposed to mean.

Has your dislike of this movie blinded you to the greatness of the Anakin v. Obi Wan fight? It was fast and furious and if Obi Wan's crying out "You were my brother" didn't touch you, then you have no soul :p.

The "You've lost, I have the higher ground" is perfect, especially when juxtaposed with the Yoda v. Palpatine fight. Yoda knows he cannot win and leaves to fight another day. Obi Wan tells Anakin that Anakin cannot win, but he is too arrogant and tries the jump... and gets cut at the knees. Very skillful juxtaposition in those last two fights in RotS.

Yep, I agree. These 'original trilogy were perfect and anything it the prequals must be horrible' people are drinking too much of the Kool Aid, I think. Ewan was the best actor in the entire series. He was excellent in RotS.

From the rarely seen "Alternate Ending" available only on the collectors edition laserdisc of the "Star Wars Holiday Special:"

Han: Hey, 'Your Worship,' don't you think Chewie here deserves a medal?
Luke: Yeah, I think Chewbacca should have a medal.
Leia: I'm not giving a medal to that walking carpet.
Han: Listen here, Princess, Chewbacca did as much to save your neck as any of us.
Leia: I don't care. I'm not approaching any furry alien who's not even wearing pants.
Luke: ...
Han: ...

Kinda slightly off topic but related to those who can see no wrong in the first three.

Hans is a total sleaze! It's kinda funny and all but if ANYONE in the new movies was like that they would have been slated. Hans is very very cheesy (although I guess nobody watches these movies for the dialogue).

Similarly, Yoda is like this total 'guru' type dude in the new ones but the first time we see him in the original movies, he is this stupid 'muppet' style puppet who steals sausages and hits things like some dumb kids tv puppet.

The new ones aren't so bad if you just let go and watch them on their own merits. I watched the old ones for the first 'real' time (i've seen but not paid attention before). They were good - but in many ways the new ones are better (in some they are not but it's hardly a wash).

Come on now. I gave certain scenes in this last movie some props. I am not all anti new prequel. I give some love to Darth Maul. There were about a half dozen scenes (see above) that I thought were quite good in this last film.

Anyway, I think you nailed. What the prequels lack is, in fact, a soul. While the obi Wan/Anakin fight was asthetically pleasing (though I could have done without the Frogger-like hopping about on lava) it lacked a soul. The Anakin character was written and acted so poorly that the scene had zero emotional impact. I simply didn't care about that character at all. His "fall" to the Dark Side was so clumsy and odd it just didn't feel real. The scenes where Anakin kills Dooku and Mace Windu are really quite poorly done.

Whereas in Star Wars, when Vader and Obi Wan are staring each other down, it actually feels like you're witnessing a big moment. That scene has a soul. Why? Because Sir Alec Guinness sells Obi Wan as a character, despite his limited screen time.

I could draw a similar comparison to the Matrix and its sequels. While from a pure aesthetic and stylistic stand point some of the fight scenes in the sequels could be considered better, but from a substantive (soul) standpoint they were pretty dull, boring, and lacking. See what I mean?

I re-watched the Original Trilogy recently as well. In fact, we threw ESB Friday night before seeing Sith. Ewoks aside, it's a wash. It's a landslide. While the dialogue in the Original Trilogy aint the snappies thing in the world it is light years, and I do mean, light years ahead of the whince and groan inducing crap served up in these prequels. There is actually witty banter and powerful lines in the Originals, the same cannot be said of the prequels. As witty as we get in the prequels is "I hate it when he does that." :rolleyes:

The nostalgia factor cannot be ignored, but it does not explain it all. There are plenty of movies that I loved as a child (Clash of the Titans, Flash Gordon, Battle Beyond the Stars, etc.) that I have watched since and can, and do fully, admit they are horrible movies. I still enjoy watching them from time to time, but they are not good films. The same is not true for the Original Star Wars trilogy.

Han.

Funny. I watched A New Hope Sunday morning, and for the millionth time wondered the same thing. Either give him a medal or stand him next to the droids. Don't embarass the guy by bringing him up there and then stiffing him.

I thought all the sabre battles in II and III were much too fast. Honestly, it's often hard to even really see exactly what's going on. It's all a blur of special effects. The one major exception in the prequels is the 3-way duel at the end of episode I. The battles are good and not too fast, and I've really grown to love the moment when Qui-Gon and Maul are seperated by that timer-shield thing. It's a perfect contrast to have Qui-Gon meditate while Maul paces like a caged lion. It allows the scene to breathe, and adds a little more depth to both characters.

I wasn't crazy about the sabre-battle itself at the end of Ep III, but I did think Obi-Wan's dialogue was good. You can really feel the disappointment in his every word... just how completely betrayed and severely disappointed he is.

But the whole "surfing on the lava" bit that precedes it is pretty painful in my book.

I though Anakin's fall was very well done. His previous thinking about Padme. Palpatine's words about the Jedi wanting power and seeing Windu so willingly violate the Jedi Code. It was only natural. It was a great scene. So I totally disagree.

And the final fight was great with emotion. Obi-Wan and Anakin, IMO, had good chemistry with each other (as opposed to Obi-Wan and Padme).

Fascinating. I think Obi-Wan and Padme (well, McGregor and Portman really) had much better chemistry, and felt that coupling was completely underused in the entire trilogy. Honestly, I though they might have gone for some sort of love-triangle angle in Episode 2/3, and it never materialized (yet Anakin was still suspicuous of Obi-Wan, or jealous, or both).

Hayden Christensen flat-out sucked in both movies, and I saw no reason to ever care about Anakin. He was poorly written and very poorly acted. The love story and his fall were not even film-school quality writing.

edit: I should add that Lucas himself deserves pretty much ALL the blame for the poor chemistry/acting performances. It's crystal clear that the man simply cannot direct, and It's no coincidence that the widely-agreed upon "best" SW movie (ESB) was neither written nor directed by him. Portman and McGregor can be good, we've all seen it in other movies. Christensen I believe is a far more limited actor, but I think a better director could have gotten much more out of him.

Oops, I meant Anakin and Padme.

To add to my previous statement. In the EU, it seems to be that wearing medals are against the Wookiee belief system.

Also I don't see anyone bitching about Wedge and that Y-Wing guy getting shafted.

dola


I would disagree with this. THX 1138 is great sci-fi and the new director's cut makes it better. American Graffiti was also not bad.

Well, those EU writers almost certainly created that belief because of the final scene in ANH.

So, Palpatine's revelation that He is Vader's father / creator isn't gettting any talk huh.

Well, because very few people believe that was the intent of that statement. I believe it's a HUGE leap of faith to say that's what the intent was.

Wedge and that Y-Wing guy weren't standing up there beside Luke and Han.

I noticed that. I figured it just went right over people's heads. My friends didn't really catch it in the movie theater.

I noticed it, didn't have any problem with it.

So, it's pure coincidence that they had him make a comment about causing pregnancy with the force to the ONE person who's birth was caused by the nothing but the force?

I find that to be too much of a coincidence to just blow off.

That's not really what he said. Also when he was speaking of this he said only one person had ever learned how to use this power and it wasn't him.

Find me the word pregnancy in Palpatine's talk with Anakin.

Not exactly.

Since Sideous was the apprentice of Plagueis, then Palp knew.

Of course, Palp has been known to bs on occasion.

And you don't know when Plagueis dies, so he could have created Anakin.

Also you don't know if Anakin was concieved by the Force. It's just idle banter around the Jedi table and fans discussing it. It was just as likely that Shmi was impregnated by a Jedi and both wanted to keep it a secret because, as we all know, Jedi aren't allowed to love.

PALPATINE: To cheat death is a power only one has achieved, but if we work together, I know we can discover the secret.

Uh, the guy you were responding to was talking about pregnancy, how does cheating death equate pregnancy?



Since the only power talked about by the previous poster was a force pregnancy, I naturally assumed "only one person had ever learned how to use this power and it wasn't him." was in reference to the force pregnancy.

Didn't Shmi say in Episode 1 that there was no father? Or am I imagining that?

I thought the way Palpatine presented the story indicated that "creating life" and "cheating death" were part of the same power, and that only the one lord knew of it.

Yeah.


Also i believe that they make mention of the fact that Anakin was born on some other planet/moon than Tatoine and came there when he was a small child.

Yes... but it could be part and parcel of the the secret love affair of a Jedi with her. It isn't conclusive to me that Palpatine created Anakin. Why Shmi, after all?

Hmm, okay. I can see that. I still believe he was talking about two different things.

It was left intentionally vague, so people on messageboards can argue about it. Keeps interest in the series.

lucas says as much in the new rolling stone.

I don't think it goes with the series that they would outright lie about something like that (though they do play word games, like 'Anakin was killed by Darth Vader').

Why wouldn't a small lie by Shmi herself go with the series? After all, plenty are speculating the Palpatine saying he could keep Padme from dying was merely a lie to get Anakin on his side.

Actually that's not a lie.

If you've played KOTOR you know what I'm talking about.

A character in the game was kept alive based solely on using the force. I won't say who, or how, as it would be a spoiler for those who haven't played it.

Is it really speculation? Palpatine says that Plagueis (sp?) knew how to do it, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, and then his apprentice killed him. then he says this later --

PALPATINE: To cheat death is a power only one has achieved, but if we work together, I know we can discover the secret.

I caught it in the theater, but none of my friends did, so I haven't been able to discuss it with anyone. Wouldn't this second line indicate that he was indeed lying to Anakin simply to turn him?

Even Qui-Gon appears to have some sort of "weird familiarity" with her in that scene when they are discussing his parentage. Of course im probably reading way too much into it.

Heh, I got a feeling quite like that one, but dismissed it quickly. Maybe there's more to it? Is there any fan fiction on the background there?

But that does not mean that Palpatine KNEW... which was the point, yeah?


I caught the line as well. Though some say Palpatine was Plagueis's apprentice. I don't see it that way (though it could be, who knows). I know that Palpy said we can discover the secret, but it seems he didn't care about the secret and just wanted Anakin to turn.

And apparently, from what I've read on other forums, in the novelization of RotS, the scene where Vader breaks all the droids, he is trying to get at Palpatine after being told Padme was dead (thinking he was fooled) before he realized it was useless. Can someone who has the book confirm or deny that?

So you believe Palpatine had the foresight to keep all these things in motion, and know what would motivate Anikin to do what he wanted. Including seeing Padme's death without being told by Anakin about it.

Yoda even has problems seeing things before they happen.

Yet, he isn't powerful enough to keep someone alive? The movies do a terrible job of explaining what the force is capable of, and such. Books, and games do a much better job.

IMO, keeping someone alive is FAR harder than looking into the future. We have seen that Jedi and Sith have some capacity to see into the future. But for keeping someone alive, all we've been told is one man figured that out and told it to his apprentice.

We don't KNOW that is a lie though. No plotline revelation in the storyline of Star Wars has been shown to be false, that I can think of, anyway. And besides, the good-evil paradigm of Star Wars would lead you to believe that the good guys are always telling the truth, and the bad guys can not be trusted. Palpatine is almost expected to lie.

As you alluded to Obi-Wan does say that Vader killed Anakin. Now perhaps you can say he was streaching the truth, and Anakin was dead to him when he turned, but I'd still say it was a lie.

Obi-Wan does tell a lie when he tells Luke that his father wanted him to have his lightsaber. Anakin says no such thing.

Well, if StarWars.com can be taken with any salt.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/cha...ker/index.html

In KOTOR, someone did it who wasn't even a Jedi master. Wasn't on the council ... nothing. KOTOR happened long before the movies, but it's hard for me to imagine that someone not even a council member can do it, but the dark lord of the sith who was taught everything by his master who could do it ..... can't.

Just doesn't make sense.

Who says Plagieus was Sidious's master? That's just speculation and I'm not sure any of that story Sidious said was true (or rather was merely legend).

KOTOR also had battle meditation, which would have been useful for Jedi's to use during the Clone Wars ;). The fact that KOTOR had it doesn't say anything to me. That was 1000 years before Ep 1. Knowledge could have been lost... especially with what occured in KOTOR II.

And, after all, Palpatine spoke as if only Plageius had discovered how to do it AND that it was ONLY knowable by the Sith... not the Jedi. So it seems things have changed since KOTOR's Jedi.

The Zahn trilogy has Darth Sidious as a person that used battle meditation.

Interesting... it seems that he wasn't trying to get at Palpatine... unless 'the shadow' can be a stand in for him. But I think that means his internal shadow. Though I could be mistaken.

Was it used during the Clone Wars (don't know about books for that) or was it too specialized for any of the Jedi at the time?

Just gonna say that I saw the movie tonight and that I really enjoyed it...despite the bad Anakin/Padme lines...

I don't think battle meditation has been mentioned during the Clone Wars.

Since battle meditation was used in KOTOR, I guess someone could write up a reason that it was too powerful (perfect for a sith) and erased from the archives, or a sith stole it. The person able to use it in KOTOR did turn.

dola

This question was asked earlier, why is Leia, a princess?

In the novelization of ROTS, they mention Bail is a prince. So it can be assumed that he becomes King sometime between Ep. 3 and 4.

[edit]Read the last chapter again and Bail says his wife the Queen. So maybe he is already the King. I brought up prince because it mention's prince consort hands Leia to the queen.

It's been a long time since I saw the original trilogy (but taking care of that soon, just placed all three and The Clone Wars in my Netfilx queue) but maybe Leia is a princess in the same way that Padme was queen...as an elected official?

Is that whole book written in second person?

I'm assuming that yes, Palpatine learned everything from Plageuis, but he had not yet used the power to create life/cheat death, or discovered its effects/side-effects. (seeing that Plageuis was the only one who had ever achieved it, if my interpretation of the 2nd quote is correct.)

I think it's all meant to be subjective. A metaphor for all of us to ponder upon until Lucas is forced to reveal all when Lucas Arts files for bankrupcy.

DAMN.

I'm getting the fucking novel.

Now THAT is what I call an emotion-filled transformation from human to machine.

Far better than the cheesy scene in the movie.

I believe that the Jedi used battle meditation as well in the Clone Wars. They influenced their soldiers (the clones) to fight better than the droids. there's some sort of Battle Meditation involved as well, I'm sure.

This is evident with the RotJ novel, wherein the death of Palpatine brought ruin to the Imperial Fleet, since he was no longer influencing them through the force. Same thing with Admiral Thrawn in the Corellian Trilogy.

If I remember that shadow was Sidious.

Interesting. If all the damage to Anakin's body in that passage is accurate, then how in the world is he able to speak or see or hear normally when Luke removes his mask at the end of ROTJ?

http://darthdolenz.ytmnd.com/

This made me giggle.

There's this one also-

http://unitedstatesofno.ytmnd.com/

One more question that I hope someone can answer...

Anakin joins the darkside in hopes of saving Padme. Yet, when he's the man-machine Vader, Palpatine tells him that he killed Padme. So, not only did the dark side NOT save her, but he actually killed her himself because of the dark side.

Why does Vader continue to follow the dark side after all this? Is it as simple as he's consumed by the dark side and CAN'T go back?

Go back to what?

He's wiped out all the Jedi. The only ones left are Obi-Wan (who just about killed him) and Yoda (who probably would have finished the job properly).

Padme is dead. He has no idea he has any kids to live for. He's got nothing. At that point, he might as well get on with ruling the galaxy.

The danger of attatchments for the Jedi. He had three things in his life, 1) the power which he would use to 2) create order, guard life, protect the republic, ect for 3) those he cared about. Those he cared about are either dead or, as he sees it, abandoned him. So all Vader has left is his power to create order to the galaxy. And one could see how that power becomes more and more corrupting as the years go by until he himself can't see a way away from it. "It is too late for me, my son." But Luke showing up brings back the people he cared about part of the equation, which allows him to redeem himself as Anakin, by turning on the dark for someone he cares about.

Ah.. I see the part where it turns from 3rd person to 2nd person. It does say the shadow was Sidious... so he WAS trying to get at Sideous when destroying everything.


Yes. Once you enter the dark side, it is extremely difficult to come back. That is why even being tempted by the dark side is bad.

techincally, there were still other jedis alive, since not every jedi was killed in the clone wars...which is what the live action series will be (partly) about.

but i agree with your point.

I didnt like the concept of Obi-Wan walking away and letting him suffer. Surely he should have just finished the job, or perhaps have been fired upon or something so as to give him the reason to leave the site. But he should have finished the job properly.

Well, the way it happened was the only way to tie up some of the loose ends leading into ANH... Vader has to survive, but be horribly mangled, and Obi-Wan has to somehow obtain his lightsaber to give to Luke later on.

I think the earlier theory, that Obi-Wan was holding back for most of the fight, is probably true. I don't think he really wanted to kill Anakin.

Here's an inconsistency that bothers me: at the end of III, you get the impression that Vader is second in command and won't take any crap from anyone. Then by the beginning of IV he is taking orders from Tarkin and Imperial people making fun of his religion to his face. He gets more authoritative as the original trilogy goes on, but in the beginning he is not as much a badass. Am I wrong on this?

I think so. I always saw Vader as being in charge, even though Tarkin is captain of the Death Star. I saw Vader as letting Tarkin have his position while he was the actual power. Vader sees Tarkin as a good soldier and didn't want to destroy him (from the end of Ep 3, it seem Tarkin was there at the beginning).


I wouldn't have disappointed if Obi-Wan did. It's very un-Jedi to strike down an 'unarmed' man. That's why Anakin felt bad after he did so to Dooku.

Here is what I am mostly referring to:

Deference to Tarkin, and Motti doesn't seem to be scared of him. I can see your point, but it just seemed like a different dynamic from one film to the next.

From what I've read outside the movies themselves, Tarkin was regarded as the most brilliant military tactician in the galaxy, and was the supreme commander of the Imperial Navy.

Once Tarkin was dead, Vader assumed his role, and stopped taking any shit from pissant admirals and star destroyer captains.

I think that's right. Also, it seems to be assumed that by the time Ep IV starts the Jedi are pretty much presumed to be wiped out. Vader was probably focused on chasing the last few down, while Grand Moff and the other Imperials handled the more militaristic side of the campaign (crushing the rebel alliance).

Once the Grand Moff was killed there was not only a void in leadership, but by the begining of ESB Vader and the Emperor know Luke is alive and are pretty much focused exclusively on capturing him, making defeating the rebel alliance pretty much secondary. Since the focus has shifted once more to "Jedi" affairs, it makes sense the Vader is the top dog.

Well, there is also compassion for not letting a friend feel pain.

Only one guy makes fun of Vader, and I doubt he would do it twice.

Vader works outside the imperial fleet chain of command and in that scene he is dealing with imperial fleet matters, so he defers to Tarkin.

Dude. Seriously. Did you see what he did to the younglings? HE BUTCHERED THE YOUNGLINGS. A man who butchers innocent little younglings deserves no such compassion.

On the DVD commentary for Ep IV, someone (can't remember if was Lucas), explains that Vader was intended to be viewed as more of a pathetic characater for much of IV, that subscribed to "old school" beliefs that most others dismissed. Thus, it was common for him to be pushed around by politicians and administrative-types. In reality, of couse, Vader comes off as pretty bad-ass and powerful throughout the entire movie. Lucas (or whoever) acknowledged that the Moff/meeting scene didn't really fit how the Vader character actually turned out, and felt compelled to explain why is was there.

i always found the "ancient religion" part weird. i mean, they were ALL alive when jedis were running around kicking everyones ass. it wasnt even 2 decades ago!

I didn't see him butcher any younglings. All I got was a quick flash of a lightsaber. Now... if they actually showed Anakin slicing down kids and teens in the temple, then I would say that they did their job in turning him against the audience successfully.

Which would be outweighed by not striking down an unarmed opponent. Remember, Anakin was his opponent. He wasn't fighting beside him and then went down.

If Obi-Wan did it, he'd either do it out of anger or a strong compassion for his friend. I think both would be forbidden by the Jedi Code. Remember, even 'good' attachment to others, such as love, can be a path to the Dark Side. The Jedi are like stoics, they are required to be devoid of such emotion.

At least that is how I see it.


I think everyone knew he did it. Lucas didn't want to turn the film to an R rated one for one scene (Anakin killing young children explicitly would have done it). People in the theater I was in gasped, loudly.

I finally got around to seeing the movie. I have to say it was good, a billion times better than the first two crappy movies. I don't know where to rank it yet within the whole series, but stand-alone it was a very good film (besides Portman and Haydens stone acting). The first team I heard the breath from Vader it sent chills down my spine. It ended up answering some of the questions I wanted answered and the last 45 minutes of the film were superb. I went in being a sympathetic to the Dark Side and the Empire (I even got a "Alderaan Deserved it" shirt) but came out of the movie hating the Empire.

I thought this was pretty funny

hxxp://vaderinternet.ytmnd.com/

Ok I haven't read through this whole thread (I probably will later on) but there may be some plot holes in this movie (or maybe I just missed it). How the hell does Obi-Wan not recognize R2 in ANH when Luke brings R2 to his house??? WTF? He says something like "I don't remember owning a droid." Also, Is R2's memory erased too with C3PO's?

Two other things kind of annoyed me, Luke's uncle and aunt have English accents in Episode 2 (I don't know if they talk in Episode 3) yet they have American accents in the older movies.

Did the Trade Federation leaders' asian accents go away completely in this movie or is that just me?

I still don't understand how Vader was concieved. Is he evil Jesus?

The story was rushed, the whole Senate must be retarded because they just accepted whatever Sidious said and cheered and loved him without question. And how does Luke go from "What did I just do?" to Sith-Loving Evil guy in literally 2 secondes?

The gay Noooooo by Vader at the end was out of character completely.

Hayden is a horrible actor. Lucas sucks at writing. He could have made the story so much better. The problem with the script was that there wasn't enough shock value (although the killing of the younglings was "good"). Vader needs a father damnit!!!!

The problems with the plot holes and other little things hurt the movie, but in the end it was satisfying I guess, just to have it all finished.

[quote=Sharpieman]Ok I haven't read through this whole thread (I probably will later on) but there may be some plot holes in this movie (or maybe I just missed it). How the hell does Obi-Wan not recognize R2 in ANH when Luke brings R2 to his house??? WTF? He says something like "I don't remember owning a droid." Also, Is R2's memory erased too with C3PO's?
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Droids are a dime a dozen, and r2 was never "his" droid anyways

Yeah, the accents were all off.
Its possible that Plageius made Anakin, but its also possible he is evil Jesus. Its not a "for certain" point, probably meant to spur debate and keep people interested in the series.

In Episode 2 Dooku reveals that over 100 senators are under influence of a Sith lord. Im sure the number has increased.


He had already begun the path to the darkside in episode 2, and the guilt associated with killing Windu had to push him over the edge. At that point, Anakin was meat unless he destroyed the Jedi.


Brutally awful, i agree.

Yeah, his writing wasnt as good as it should have been. While i can agree you dont get the R rating, it still wasnt very hardcore for a pg13 movie, he had plenty of room to expand, etc. Basically he wasted far too much film on episodes 1 and 2, only leaving him 2 hours to do episode 3.

Basically he could have cut about an hour out of episode 1 at least, and inserted most of the better episode 2 parts into it. And then perhaps end episode 2 with the saving of palpatine sequence that began episode 3. And then had more time for episode 3.

I'd love to learn a lot more about Darth Plageius, he seems to be the most powerful Sith leader ever.

Not like that pussy Darth Maul who couldn't even take out a padawan.

This is exactly how Hitler came to power. "So this is how liberty dies: to thunderous applause" is such a true line. Revolutions are most often populist, and people will give up anything if there is a perceived threat. Just look at our own country, would you have thought 5 years ago that we would ever make torture a fundamental part of our national policy? Now, to most people, it is no big deal that we do this, because there is a perceived threat that we must do anything to vanquish. It was the same for the Senators in the SW universe. They were ready to give up all of their freedoms to protect their freedoms. It seems pardoxical to an outsider, but it happens all the time in reality.