And in the 5th draft Andy Bathgate, grandson of HHOF-er Andy Bathgate.

When's Austin Lemieux turn 18?

Ping: Maple Leafs fans...

Burke is in Toronto
Allaire is in Toronto
Jiggy has given a list of teams he will accept a trade to, and (reportedly) Toronto is on the list...

Jiggy to Toronto?

I could see this happening IF The Swede goalie does'nt sign in T.O and Toskola gets moved.

Definitely, but only if Gustavsson says no and the Ducks will take back a salary. Other than that, yeah, it makes too much sense not to happen.

You guys want Toskala?

While I am sure the Ducks would take back salary, the only reason they do it is to clear sal cap space (which the Leafs have). So whatever salary they take back would have to be significantly less than Jiggy's salary and if the salary doesn't take care of a particular need for the Ducks, it would have to be short term, too, so the Ducks don't get in a situation where they already need to turn around and trade said same player off again.

You're probably right - but you know, with Brent Sutter coming to Calgary I can't see him wanting Phaneuf traded given their connection from the Red Deer Rebels days...

... but if Darryl Sutter is trying to trade him, I'm wondering if it is because Brent has issues with his attitude? Which might make some GMs think twice.

Caught on ESPN earlier-

Holland saying he feels it's unlikely Hossa returns now.

Great flame war going down on Ek's site....looks like people are finally fed up with his BS and are asking for refunds...and he is giving them....Talk about losing any credibility he has left.

Which site? Is that the one that Eklund guy runs? I follow him on Twitter and was wondering how credible his information can be. He talks about meeting with sources all the time so I wondered if he knew what he's talking about...I guess that's not the case?

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/boards/thread.php?thread_id=65825&forum_id=1"

In other not at all surprising former-Red Wing soon-to-be UFA news, Ty Conklin is not coming back. It looks like it's going to be the Chris Osgood/Jimmy Howard show!

Hopefully Osgood stays healthy and mentally fit for the vast majority of the season.

Fixed!

There is going to be no Chris Osgood/Vesa Toskula show.

And I will not be tolerating anymore of this Vesa Toskula nonsense.

Watched agame from 86 the other day on Leaf Classics......Det vs T.O.

6-0 leafs win....over 280 min in penalties.....Demers and Brophy almost going at it between the benches......Hanlon in net vs Bester.......and.....PETR KLIMA playing for the Wings.....killing penalties of all things.

I miss those days...

Killing penalties? That must have been a measure of last resort. Everyone else must have been kicked out of the game or too tired.

What do ya mean? Osgood would be a solid replacement for Cujo in Toronto.

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There is a silver lining here though. With Howard playing for the big club, this will give Larsson a chance to be the starter with GR. I think either him or McCollum is the future goalie for the Wings.

I actually hope the Flyers sign Conklin. Mainly because the guy I work with is really good friends with Conklin, they played hockey together and Conklin stayed with him while playing for Pittsburgh. So if he signs with the Flyers, I'll get great tix to Flyers game and get to hang out with the team!

Consdering the Flyers are slated to play outdoors on Jan 1, I'd say your odds the Flyers hanging with Dr. Sak are looking pretty good.

Too bad they traded Lupul and Upshall...I really wanted to hang with the Legion of Poon.

I wonder if the Pens would sign him to back up Fleury? Don't the Flyers have Emery and Toskala? :D

Question directed at HB or Detox. I thought that Illitch owned the Joe?

Detroit Red Wings want new arena lease from city - ESPN

Joe Louis Arena - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aaah, didn't see the "Operated by" part of the deal before.

FOFC threads are where I get about 95% of my hockey news from, so I just have one question after reading this page of replies...

Who doesn't have Vesa Toskala?

If you're going to clone a goalie and ship him off to every team in the league, aren't there better choices? Craig Billington can't be doing much these days.

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

And then lose in the Finals. The old Ty Conklin hat trick...or something like that.


I'd welcome Conklin back, provided it was a 1 year deal worth the same $750K he made last year.

He was pretty instrumental in Fleury learning how to play the puck behind the net. And then Fleury forgot it all as soon as Conklin left.

Well, I used to get my hockey news from fake Brian Burke, but for some reason, he fell off the face of the earth.

Nah, he just went to Toronto...;)

Dola

Gotta love these old school hockey boys.

Brian Burke: 'I Don't Give a Rat's Ass What They Do in Pittsburgh or Detroit' -- NHL FanHouse

Heh, I don't remember this quote, but it made me laugh.
On Alex Auld making the team: "There is no way Alex Auld was going to be on this team this year, unless he flew to France during the summer and bathed in the holy waters at Lourdes."

You couldn't make this up: Ottawa Senators brand baby pacifiers have been recalled, because they present a choking hazard.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Busines...459/story.html

In all fairness, the article does state the following:

Carolina signs their first RFA of the offseason as Jussi Jokinen is retained for basically $3.4 million over two years ($1.5 this year, $1.9 next year). I like this signing a good deal as Jokinen has proven versatility to play all the forward positions and did well to blend in on any line combination we put him on this year. As Carolina tends to be a playoff bubble team, his abilities in the shootout are something that the Hurricanes really need as well. The team's left a lot of points on the table the last few years because they couldn't win a shootout to save their lives at times.

Pens sign 2

Bill Guerin 1 year, being reported $2.8M

Craig Adams 2 years, $550K per

Guerin is a little higher than I hoped. Tkachuk's got $2.1M to stay in St Louis. But he'll play out this year and retire, really fit in well, and Sid and him seemed to have a great relationship (the anti-Recchi?)

Adams...that is less than the $750K he made this year. He's a perfect 4th line, knows his role, plays the PK and generally keeps his mouth closed and fills a spot. That he does it at $550K for a team up against the cap is even better.

Dola

CR and bhlloy-

no QO to Crusher Christensen? Does that mean we can have him back?

I guess not. Coming off shoulder surgery, I figure he's nice to pick up on the cheap but not worth the qualifying offer.

If the shoulder surgery makes him play any softer I'd rather him not even bother coming back. Brian Burke would have run him out of town by now :D

I'm a little surprised, but if it means we have the money to bring back Beauchemin and pay up on Wisniewski and still find a second line center, I'm down with it.

Handful of others who didn't receive QO's:

Fredrik Sjostrom
Steve Eminger
Anthony Stewart
Marcel Goc
Lukas Kaspar
Dan Fritsche
Peter Olvecky
Ole-Kristian Tollefsen
Jeff Woywitka

Poor Jeff Woywitka...how many stops has he made now without really playing? Philly, Edmonton, St Louis...and probably missing somewhere.


Tollefson intrigues me a little. Turner, or other CBJ fans, any thoughts?
He'd strictly be a 3rd pairing guy in Pittsburgh, with Alex Goligoski. Can he be counted on to stay back while Gogo pushes the puck, or is he too busy looking for the big hit?

Tollefsen would be a great fit for the Ducks also IMO. Defensive minded, can skate and has a nasty attitude. I wouldn't mind seeing him here as the 6th/7th guy next year either.

Cody McCormick is another one the non-QO list

I'd say its more of this. Tollefsen's is probably a 6/7th defensemen, but he's redundant on our roster (LH stay-at-home). He's a tough player, good at sticking up for his opponents, sound player around the net, but he's not a great skater and makes poor decisions with the puck when even slightly pressured. Biggest flaw is 'receiving the rush', he tends to come up and attempt to smash the winger against the boards, rather than staying in position.

I was actually hoping Adams would hit the free agent market and the Flyers would look at him. Like you said he's a good 4th liner and can play the PK.

Guerin might be a little high but its only 1 year. Just hope that he fares better than Gary Robers.

fixed

I was referring to the Pens signing Gary Roberts to a 1 year deal and him getting hurt maybe 10 games into the season. (07-08)

I'd always heard that Dan Fritsche was considered a big prospect but he hasn't done much in the NHL thus far. I don't know that he's had much of an opportunity in Columbus or New York or his most recent stop (forget where) but some team should sign him as a potential upside guy.

Gomez to Montreal for Higgins per TSN.

Is Gainey on crack?

EDIT: http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283329

Looks like there are some spare parts involved. McDonagh was the Habs first rounder a few years ago...still several years away from making any impact...if he ever does.

Yeah SR just texted me to tell me that. Why would you want Gomez's contract?

And Ryan McDonagh also goes to the Rangers.

This is an amazingly bad deal.

Trying to free up cap room for free agents? What was the Rangers' cap number like before? (nhlnumbers is down).

how do the rangers keep doing this?

you KNOW heatley isnt far behind.

Apparently.


Assuming increases to RFAs, would have been a few million away from the cap with a couple huge holes to fill on the top two lines.

Amazing deal by Sather.

I agree. I guess if I had to choose Gomez at $7.3 M or Heatley at $7.5M, I'd take Heatley.

Supposedly the Heatley deal is done.

Montreal fans on the hfboards are going nuts over the deal. Entertaining to read the thread, especially starting around page 9 when they realized McDonaugh was part of the deal too.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=656981&page=9

Or the Rangers sign Gaborik, and he plays about 20 games.

Gomez isn't terrible, just drastically overpaid. But from Gainey's POV, it makes some sense. He's losing a bunch of people and wants to make a splash.

Taking Gomez, IMO, is a better move than signing Gaborik to a new deal.

Also, correction to what I said yesterday, I've seen two different numbers on Guerin. $2.85 and $2.0. Possibly there are some incentives in there, which I think count against the cap until they are no longer attainable.

Also, Mike Zigomanis is not returning to Pittsburgh with Craig Adams signing. Good 4th line faceoff guy available to someone.

You're right, this is pretty amusing.

I don't even know who McDonaugh is, but sure sounds popular in Montreal.

CBC radio is reporting the Sendin twins re upped with Vancouver.

Their #1 prospect on Hockey's Future, #3 in another spot I saw. 1st round d-man from 2007. Figures to replace whatever D prospect gets moved in a deal for a scorer.

Just heard this as well listening to Team1260.

You know, I always feel like I should join the HF Boards and participate, but then I visit them and remember why I don't.

Was up on Spector's site but now he's reporting that the Sedin's agent has denied that a deal is done.

Sounds like some jumping of the gun ala the Luongo extension.

Heh, quoted for truth. I made an account there once upon a time but never ended up actually posting. Every discussion that even started off with some promise quickly went downhill. Makes me appreciate this thread a lot more (most of the time).

Gregor also squashed rumour...funny how he'd blurt it out in the first place without confirming with sources. Douche.

HF is good for getting info as things break. It's there in an instant.

Most threads follow this pattern-

"Name a [young/old] [forward/defenseman] who you think is [overrated/underrated]"

If it's overrated-

"[insert hated player from your teams rival here] isn't as good as he's made out to be here"
"[previously mentioned player] is great, and untouchable in a trade from us!"
"Crysby is comically overrated, he sux!"

If underrated-
"[favorite player from favorite team here] is vastly underrated"
"Not as badly as [player from MY team] is"
"[3rd name] is better than both of them and will end up better than Crosby...he sucks!"

Dola

Lehtinen back to Dallas, $1.5M + incentives

Yes, but after running a cost/benefit analysis, I have determined that I'd rather know things a few minutes after they happen than brave those troubled waters.

80% of the posts in that Montreal trade thread were some variation of:

McDonaugh!?!?!?! WTF>!?@?$@#?!?!@!?! ****ING **CK!@!#@#)_@#!#!

SR,

The Post-Gazette reported the Guerin contract at 2MM not 2.8MM. Does the extra 800M includes incentives?

Yeah, I just posted that a little earlier.

I saw both numbers, and neither is coming directly from the Pens, so I don't know what to make of it.

My understanding of the way the incentives work is they count against the cap until they are no longer attainable. So, if it's a games played clause, that is pretty easy to figure out.

What I don't know is if it's a goals/points clause. Say it's 30 goals. And in March he's at 10. It's obviously pretty unlikely at that point, but not unattainable.

That $800,000 could be pretty important to someone like Pittsburgh around the trade deadline.

j.bo to calgary. 5 yr, 33m

Are you fucking kidding me? Damnit! Hindsight being 20/20 the Flyers should've bucked up for him.

the scary thing about the HF Boards is that they are about 8,000,000 times more intelligent than the official team boards.

link for the Bouwmeester signing
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283345

Way too much money. That's Lidstrom/Pronger/Niedermayer money, and he's not that good.

Someone who is that good is Phaneuf. Does this mean he gets shipped out?

While I'd love another hit on the backend besides Orpik, he sounds like he'd be more trouble than help.

Goligoski is going to get the green light to move up, so he'd be forced to sit back, and couldn't pinch on the boards being the last man back.

We don't have a net clearing guy, even with Scuderi and Gill. They are more of the tie-up sticks type. The guy the Pens get to fill Scuderi's spot (i've accepted he's gone) will have to be able to play the PK. Hoping Shero's Nashville connections come through and they get the next Rob Scuderi in Greg Zanon for abou 1/2 the price of Scuds.

He's cheaper than Brian Campbell!

There was a rumor that Calgary would sign Bouwmeester and then trade Phanuef to Ottawa for Heatley. I don't know if that will happen or not. You can afford two defensemen in that price range, but the team does tend to get a bit top heavy, especially when you throw in a $7 million forward (Iginla) and a $7 million goalie (Kiprusoff).

Heh...Campbell was the first name that jumped into my head for being overpaid when I was composing my post. ;)

cheaper than Brian Campbell is definitely not saying much.

It must be frustrating to be Paul Holmgren. You pull off the terrible Pronger trade, you go to bed thinking you own one of the NHL's all-time worst trades, and then you don't even win Worst Deal of the Month honors.

Here's a head scratcher. Who calls who to gloat first? Holmgren to Gainey for getting worked, or Gainey to Holmgren because he "topped" him.

Enjoy another lottery pick next year.

He won't get the chance. Burkie's gonna trade it away.

As a Leaf follower(and therefore a Montreal Hater) I.LOVE.THIS.DEAL!!!!!!!!!

Go stroke a neck beard.

Hater.....Problem is Philly might still have a better pick than the Leafs.

:D

I know. If the rumored Heatley for Penner deal comes through tonight, I might take tomorrow off, drink all day and light fireworks.

A pox on you and your house.

So you want that lottery pick? ;)

:mad:

I love that the Rangers dumped Gomez, that trade would be fantastic if they got absolutely nothing in return.

Not only want it...i EXPECT it.

You sound like a Clippers fan.

Raptors fan....Tomato,tomatoe.;)

Reading the HB boards about the Canadians deal makes me LOL even more.

Did the ghost of Gord Stellick finally bite the Habs back?

For those who don't know Gord Stellick was the Leaf GM who traded Russ Courtnall to montreal for John Kordic.....Still known as the worst Leaf trade in history.

Sources say Dany Heatley has been asked to waive his no-trade clause to go to Edmonton in exchange for Andrew Cogliano, Dustin Penner and Ladislav Smid. If Heatley agrees to waive it, it would appear that the Senators and Oilers will have a deal. If Heatley agrees to waive, it would appear the Sens and Oilers will have a deal, pending the official trade call with NHL central registry, but that is generally a formality.

From TSN

and Leaf fans were excited about Gainey getting fleeced by the Rangers? Tonight is shaping up like their Christmas

It's just preparing them for the inevitable CEI to Luke Schenn early next season.

Holy shit.

If it goes through you can take this for gospel...Penner scores 35 goals next season...but I won't give two shits 'cause Heatley should really give us one heck of a boost!!