Tweets like this are highlighting the dangers of a White House and WH Doctors who just can not be trusted to tell the truth

I don’t want to be alarmist, but a GOP source just told me this: “Trump’s condition is serious. He can go either way. Despite all the meds and the presidential care, they could lose him within 3 to 4 days. They’re trying to make his condition look good to reassure his base.”

— Jon Cooper ���� (@joncoopertweets) October 3, 2020

Impossible to know what to believe. All these behind-the-scenes GOP sources could be telling the truth, or they could be trying to set up for an "OMG TRUMP IS SO AWESOME HE BEAT COVID!!!1 miraculous recovery" scenario.

I feel like the more people that test positive the less likely that this is any kind of grand planned strategy/distraction. I suppose there's still some room for it to be some kind of bizarre extended improvisation, which is practically Trump's regular MO.

He’s tweeting; guessing he’s gonna pull through.

Reagan was on camera within 24 hours of being shot. I'm surprised they aren't getting pictures out. The whole thing has a very Andropov feel to it.

If he does take a turn for the worse it's going to make the conspiracies that much worse because of thr sunshine being pumped. To point where I'd expect the militias to make a move.

But from everything we know about COVID that's not how it works. You can't look at it hour-by-hour. We've heard that one day you'll be feeling much better and then the next day you're sicker than ever. Then the next day you feel like you're on the mend, and then the next day you're on a ventilator....


I just feel like Occam's razor suggests that with this President, if he was actually as well as his team is claiming, we would have heard directly from him with another video or picture or something...

This all day and twice on Saturday.

This is my guess on the thinking here. Have the doctor come out and give a rosy update to make the base happy. Then, have a unnamed source release to say it is touch and go. This way if there is a bad turn, there was a report. If he gets better, then they would claim he was never in danger and it was all "fake news." Where it failed was the Chief of Staff was on camera when he "leaked" the report.

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It's so fucking maddening that they're staring directly at pictures of the maskless GOP packed together like sardines days ago wondering "WHO DID THIS??"

I think the biggest takeaway here is that should something drastic happen, that my takeaway is not one of surprise. It's more of, "what did you think might happen? How is this a shocking outcome?" It's just sort of a ..... I don't know...a thing I guess. Like the woman being shocked that the snake bit her sort of thing.

oh, no way it’s a *grand* plan. I’m thinking more along the lines of “ah, now that he’s getting better and extremely likely to survive, let’s leak that it’s dire, so when he survives we can talk about how strong he is and how the Fake News lied because they were rooting for him to die.”

I’m not saying that’s what’s happening; I’m saying that it’s absurd that a scenario like that isn’t out of the question.

Christie in the hospital.

In consultation with my doctors, I checked myself into Morristown Medical Center this afternoon. While I am feeling good and only have mild symptoms, due to my history of asthma we decided this is an important precautionary measure.

— Governor Christie (@GovChristie) October 3, 2020

Even if it's not true, and unplanned, after the fact they will 100% treat it like it was.

Trump releases a statement through Rudy Giuliani via the NY Post. Just... wow. Can't say I'm surprised but can everyone stop pretending they wish him well now? What a monster.

This is amazing. Trump is pre-spinning his pending victory over the virus as proof that his downplaying of its importance was correct all along! The more than 200,000 dead couldn't be reached for comment. https://t.co/eXy4dymY6H

— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) October 3, 2020

At this point Rudy just making that call up entirely isn't off the table either. Why does the President of the country need to make some kind of hostage-like 'get this out' statement to his buddy, rather than using literally any other channel available? On the other hand I still can't say any of this absurdity doesn't sound just like Donald Trump. What madness.

The average American wouldn't be allowed to check themselves into a hospital for precautionary reasons. One of the reasons these people don't care about the ACA repeal is they know they'll be treated well regardless.

That statement is right from Greg Guttfelds mouth.

This guy is a moron who lies all the time.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...25833505058816

He's looking & talking better than I would've imagined in that statement, but also still looks horrible and is saying nothing of worth. The passage about how he locked himself in a hospital because he just couldn't lock himself in the White House is particularly baffling/stupid.

From a Vanity Fair article. This is rich. I mean, it couldn't be that Republicans have uniformly refused to wear masks or do much of anything to prevent the spread of the disease. No, it must be another QAnon conspiracy. That's Occam's Razor for these idiots.

It sounds more and more like Trump had a near miss on Friday morning but is on the mend(-ish) now

Of course, COVID has this nasty habit where the recovery is not at all in a straight line in a lot of cases: seemingly good one day and then hammered hard the next. But it sounds like he is probably in the clear-ish.

SI

I just don't know with these people.

The Wisconsin Republican Party treasurer: “If the leader of the free world can get this, I think it’s kind of silly for the rest of us to pretend a $3 handkerchief from Walmart is going to protect us.” https://t.co/bZ3zKrkmSp

— Eugene Scott (@Eugene_Scott) October 4, 2020

He's right, we need to all start wearing plague doctor masks.

The leader of the free world didn't do shit to TRY and protect himself.

Saying "he caught it despite doing nothing so why bother doing anything" is moronic.

Yeah, same line Matt Gaetz is trotting out. "This just proves that a lockdown will do nothing to prevent people from getting Covid." Except, these people did the opposite of a lockdown, a-hole.

Also, I'm seriously pissed at Delta for refusing to ban the 3 MN state legislators who flew a commercial flight while knowing they had been exposed to someone who tested positive. They've banned regular people who refuse to wear a mask, yet Delta had the audacity to suggest you should know the names and histories of the people you're flying with (they apparently said no one refused to remain on the flight as their excuse - as if anyone knew who they were or who they had been around at the time).

I should know not to underestimate the Trump cult, but I really didn't see this coming. Trump caught the virus, so now we must do less to protect ourselves from the virus.

Listening to Fox News because I hate myself. Talking head says the markets are still doing well because investors know Trump will get re-elected. Other talking head then asks if the markets go down is that an indication that Biden is picking up steam. Response “ well, not necessarily, it depends on policy”

lol.

I am really frustrated by my anger toward Chris Christie's statement yesterday and that the anger has continued into this morning.

My favorite quote from facebook recently:


Where ... where do I even start ... nope nvm not worth it.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Jason Miller making the Sunday show rounds today to mock Biden for wearing a mask.

wow

I've never heard of rip pissed. Is this a common phrase?

Somebody help me with what this means, 'cause it sounds a lot like "if I'd told the whole truth yesterday, Trump would have freaked out so badly that his blood pressure would have gone through the roof and threatened his health even more." Any other ideas?

"I didn't want to give any information that might steer the course of illness in another direction," Dr. Conley says when asked why he was reluctant to answer specific questions about the president's health yesterday. pic.twitter.com/TbzY1JKplO

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) October 4, 2020

After yesterday's fully political display, we disregard everything these hacks say as bullshit. Round two the same as round one. Proven liars. Utter garbage.

I’ll say it. Can he just die already so we can move on with our lives and show the idiots out there that COVID-19 is real.

White House now saying that Trump's blood oxygen dropped twice since Friday (so I'm guessing he was likely put on oxygen at some point). But he may be going back to the WH on Monday (which, remember, has very good medical facilities anyways)

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The virus is everywhere. If you say anything that give it encouragement, it's going to hear you. Gossiping rumps, kill Trumps.

Everything he touches turns to crap.

Like if Obama was in the same situation, we would have received honest updates. Same with Bush, who had pretty bad handlers, or Clinton, who was thought to be pretty untrustworthy.

SI

That wouldn't happen though. People would just talk about how noble and brave he was to not live in fear of the virus, while simultaneously maintaining that we need to make sure we don't overreact to it and it's just the flu, etc.

You’re probably right.

Interesting thread (8 tweets total) from the Chair at UCSF on his interpretation of some the information that Conley shared.

http://twitter.com/Bob_Wachter/statu...92223428165633

And, of course, even Trump's "I'm doing ok" message was staged.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...d-b778464.html
He was signing blanks pieces of paper with a sharpie.

https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/...28580836909057
And his coughs were cheaply edited out of the video, likely with Adobe Premiere.

SI

Who is this person in your life that they're worth following on facebook?

y'all don't know how to use the ignore for 30 days or unfollow buttons on facebook.

To paraphrase Chris Rock on SNL " We need term limits. We agreed in the United States we didnt want a king, but we have Dukes and Duchesses running the senate and the congress making decisions for poor people."

What a great point.

Ok, but how do term limits fix that? Those people supposedly making decisions for poor people are put there largely by poor people and would just be replaced by other people making pretty much the same decisions. A revolving door of less competent legislators of similar ideology is all you'd end up with.

Sure, I know how to use those. I just don't unless someone spams political nonsense constantly.


I don't actually know them. They're someone who commented on a discussion started by someone else I do know. My facebook is pretty much just so for family, co-workers etc. but some of them have some strange POV and then there's the people that they know who are even further out ... it's one of those deals.

Frankly, the ones who do the whole 'no debates or arguments, posted only as food for thought' thing with a linked article that's highly inflammatory are actually worse IMO. Basically if you don't want someone to skewer your sacred cows, don't put them on social media.

That really sounds less like an argument for term limits, but more an argument for campaign finance reform. Until we get the money out of politics, the poor is always going to be the lowest importance.

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Yes, money needs to leave politics. That way the rich will not own the politicians. Yes there would be a revolving door. But if me or you could run, would that not be better? Why are we listening to legislatures who get to make their own rules that are different for me and you? Why do those national politicians get to ram a health care act through, yet enjoy free health care themselves from some of the best doctors in the world.

Why do these politicians make millions as a politician and then millions more as a lobbyist with there obscene pension?


Until the system is fixed, welcome to the end of our empire.

Term limits by themselves won't evaporate the power though. It will just shift to the lobbyists.

You can't get money out of politics without limiting political speech. It's the age-old conundrum; you can have equality, or you can have freedom. You cannot have both at the same time beyond a certain point.

If we want the freedom to choose those who represent us, then we have to accept the responsibility to do so and not blame the rich and powerful when we continue to put corrupt people into office and refuse to hold them accountable. We can't have it both ways.

Yeah, I always liked Jed Bartlet's comment about term limits. "We have term limits. They're called elections." If people want someone in for 6, 7, 8 or more terms, then why shouldn't they have that right? We don't just get rid of corrupt politicians, we allso get rid of the John Lewises and Richard Lugars.

This idea that we get rid of career politicians and suddenly a bunch of Jimmy Stewarts from Mr. Smith Goes to Washington are going to be running the House and Senate is hopelessly naive. There is no shortage of corrupt people. When the Republicans finally got rid of Rostenkowski, Blagojevich ended up inheriting his seat.

Trump has left Walter Reed to go back to the White House-in a caravan of vehicles, waving at the crowds

It's one of the most reckless things I've ever seen from a President. He's willfully putting the lives of the Secret Service agents at risk. God bless them.

Can a military hospital tell the President of the United States what to do? I’m really wondering if he just decided that he feels better and wants out. I would not put it past him at all.

I’m seeing conflicting reports now. Some are saying that he went back to the hospital, that this was just a drive around and wave at them publicity stunt.

According to his video he was just waving at supporters.

But they are still talking about going back to the WH tomorrow. How many people have been in the room while he's been maskless for photos and videos?

What's the opposite of virtue signaling?

Yeah I was confused about that when I posted. If this was just a stunt...

I nominate the term "Trumping" to describe it.

AG Bill Barr is now self quarantining

— yasminvossoughian (@yasminv) October 4, 2020

Does “trumped” mean farted in the US too? Only just struck me how apt a descriptive term that is for everything he does!

C-span got the best audio pic.twitter.com/uLjMfGp2Ee

— Samuel J. Robinson (@samueljrob) October 4, 2020

I am not sure this would be than if he went to a civilian hospital. Unless someone decides he is a danger to himself and/or others, he is free to go afaik.

He sounds like Billy Eichner.

Okay Joe. You have so much new material. Time to fire those ads back on.

Aw, my last vote when I lived in Indiana was in the GOP primary for Dick Luger over some Tea Party putz (a race he'd end up losing and then said Tea Party putz said something really stupid about abortion being god's will or something and lost an eminently winnable race; this was in 2012 and if it happened today probably wouldn't cost the nut his seat)

SI

It is terrible that the White House is not just holding back information, but straight lying about the President's condition. I will say that the number of people that keep trying to find the worst possible outcome from every bit of information that we do get seem to sound like wishful thinking than what is likely reality.

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The SUV is supposedly sealed against chemical warfare attacks so god bless all those impacted by this stunt.

The issue is that the current system has made it incredibly difficult for the average person to run for office.

in his photo op he is writing on a blank piece of paper with a marker

The behavior of the average voter is what causes that, not the system.

The current situation has only reconfirmed my belief in term limits. I acknowledge and agree that you won't remove corruption from politics by instituting term limits, but that's not really the goal. In a polarized, 2-party system that treats not voting with your team as a job death sentence, I simply want a system that allows and encourages elected officials to speak their minds and vote how they want to vote. Look at how many retiring/resigning GOPers have spoken out against Trump. Even if term limits results in a fraction of officials feeling free to do what they believe is right and not simply what the party wants, it would be worth it.

Looks like he has set a personal record for all-caps tweets in one morning...

My fear with term limits is that it gives lobbyists even more power because they will start to have the institutional memory that the Congress lacks.

I'm against them, but I understand the arguments on the other side.

My simple* reforms:

1. The 1/3 most populous states get 3 senators
The 1/3 in the middle get 2
The smallest 1/3 get 1

2. The House is greatly expanded (and automatically grows as the population does)
Gerrymandering is eliminated

3. Federal elections are generously funded with public money

My thoughts:

The Senate thing is self-explanatory

The House thing would force reps to be more responsive to their constituents. There would be less of them, so they would be harder to ignore. And if most districts have a mix of people in them, it will be harder to win them as an extremist.

And the money thing is a way to reduce the value of private donations without banning them.

*By "simple," I mean simple to understand. I understand that actually enacting these reforms would be nigh impossible.

CoS Mark Meadows, in essence says he's a war hero for staying with Trump.

Mark Meadows says he's physically staying by Trump's side while the president has covid as "a message to our military men and women" that "this is an enemy that we will defeat, and we will do that together"(?) pic.twitter.com/xe7F8kJwYb

— Bobby Lewis (@revrrlewis) October 5, 2020

Isn't he also the one that blamed the military for getting Hicks sick?

Meadows is like Will from the Big Brother show way back in the beginning.

He lies straight to your face while working against you behind your back. Then when he gets caught, he begs for forgiveness and for some reason you fall for it and forgive him. Then, he does it again.

He fits perfectly with Trump.

As much as I'd like to see it, Senate reform is never going to happen. Every state (not just 3/4ths) would have to agree to it and I don't see that happening.

It is crazy, though, that the Senate and Electoral College aspects of our federal government can not be replicated on a state level as SCOTUS has declared that it violates the one man, one vote principle.

Add Kayleigh McEnany to the list.

And she briefed the press without a mask

Reading some of the comments from a Conservative Twitter account and blocking a lot of "boy sure look like they were targeted"...responses. Yes they were targeted...by their own stupidity and arrogance.

If a private business was run so poorly(say a wal mart), they'd be shut down.

Can we at least get one Darwin award out of all this.

The ignorance and stupidity levels of this administration are just off the charts.

I'm Herman Cain, and I support this message.

Joe Biden lacks the experience of having a deadly virus.

Trump campaign spokesperson Erin Perrine on Fox News today: "Listen, he has experience as commander-in-chief, he has experience as a businessman, he has experience, now, fighting the coronavirus as an individual. Those firsthand experiences: Joe Biden, he doesn’t have those.”

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) October 5, 2020

Kayleigh McEnany calling herself an "essential worker" who has "provided needed information to the american people" lol

I'm going to need a bingo card.

I would just like to see those who will inevitably be displaced from California (fires, etc) move to ID, WY, UT, MT...

“Don Jr. Thinks Trump Is Acting Crazy�: The President’s COVID Joyride Has the Family Divided | Vanity Fair

"There is a long history in the Trump family of denying serious illness. According to a Trump family friend, Trump's father, Fred Trump Sr., insisted on working even after his Alzheimer's disease advanced in the 1990s. "To retire is to expire!" Fred Sr. would say. The friend said that as Fred Sr.'s disease worsened--he once came down the stairs wearing three neckties--the family created a system so that Fred could think he was still running the Trump Organization. Every day Fred Sr. would go to the office in Brooklyn and they would give him blank papers to sort through and sign. The phone on Fred's desk was set up so that it could only dial out to his secretary. "Fred pretended to work," the family friend said."

I am seeing a fair amount of pushback against the dude who wrote that article FWIW. I guess his 'scoops' have been pretty suspect in the past.

How bad are things when Don Jr is trying to be the voice of reason?

I think this is a valid criticism for me. I think the older I get, the more lying bothers the fuck out of me. I did not think it was possible to say "even worse" when it comes to lying but it is EVEN WORSE when it is so consistent and so unnecessary. He has COVID. All of the lies and theatrics are unnecessary and potentially harmful. I am probably going to wish for the worst possible outcome because that is the only justification for a grown man to constantly lie that could possibly make sense to me. Sort of like the guy who lies to his wife about going to work everyday even though he lost his job two months ago. I still hate it but that make a bit of sense.

The latest take from the Trump Campaign: Joe Biden doesn't have the experience of dealing with the virus firsthand, so how can he be a good President?

Early voting started in a number of states today, including here in South Carolina. I'm still waiting for my absentee ballot to come so I can send it in.

Have I missed an update from Trump's doctor today? It's almost 2PM Eastern.

Why is Trump not on Marine One headed to the White House today if everything is roses.

Welp, that does it! I'm not voting for Biden now. Can't have someone that doesn't know how to deal with the virus. I want someone that does, even if it's dealing with it in complete and utter incompetence. Experience is experience.

Does this make Biden a Covid outsider?

I like candidates that didn't get the virus.

Cornyn took a shot at Trump today by saying "it's not easy trying to get things done working with him or the White House" while criticizing his handling of COVID. The fact that he is actually having to campaign and compete for his job for the first time in years must be wearing on him.