Big news! But he hung out with so many people who have had Covid, it was only a matter of time.

I wonder if it wasn't for being so close to election they would have announced it at all.

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They ummm, were trying to hide that Hope Hicks tested positive. Only because journalists broke the story did it come out...

Kaitlan Collins points out on CNN the only reason anyone knows Hope Hicks has COVID is bc reporters broke the news. The WH did not release the information. The WH withheld this information. And exposed people.

— Amanda Carpenter (@amandacarpenter) October 2, 2020

This seems like the obvious play. He will most likely have a less-than-serious case and there's no way that's going to cause him to take some kind of major 180, rather than leaning into the only dog-eared playbook he has. He can't spin hoax anymore, after half the West Wing has had it, but they can still work with some version of "it's just the flu!"

Sidenote, I woke up this morning, saw it was October 1, and just had a feeling that some crazy shit is going to go down this month. (Not much of a leap in 2020, I know).

If you think this helps Trump in any way, you are mistaken. His campaign is torpedoing and if anything it highlights more and more of his lies, hypocrisy, idiots and contradictions. I mean, just 2 days ago he was making fun of Joe Biden for wearing a mask. His whole inner circle photographed yesterday getting of AF1 without masks... Then he tests positive. His campaign is fucked and he knows it. Just look at the tweet. He didn't tweet that. Notice he called it COVID-19 and not Chinavirus. They took his phone away from him. He's probably fuming. I can't wait for the inside tell-all from this night in a few months...

Its preposterous to think they gave him COVID purposely or that this was by design. Take your tin-foil hat off.

Buhahahhhahahahahahahahahhaahha

Fuck trump. I hope he's got hemorrhoids and the worst case of diarrhea imaginable.

Not to mention that this takes him out of sight for 2 weeks with 32 days until the election.

And the DOW futures are down 500 points. That is bad since it is not a one to one compared to the DOW in daily trading usually. We might just might see a gigantic drop in the market tomorrow in a 2000+ drop between Trump getting Covid and the unemployment numbers coming out which are expected not to be great. This is a double punch in the gut for this country. Good luck to us all.

Ahh America.... President contracts COVID-19 and we're worried about our stocks.

(I'm kidding, it's a joke. I checked too.)

:+1:

It seems almost like we're in the end-stage of the Trump Presidency: The Movie.

You can almost see it play out on the silver screen. Trump Unhinged at the debate, all his election aides wincing and looking away as Trump keeps interrupting.

When the one person who tried to tell trump it backfired on him, someone glares at him and says "Kid, if enough people tell you the sky is green, you'll believe it is too. Reality is what we say it is. That's how we got through all this."

Then, as the scene fades to black, white lines appear on the screen. "President Donald Trump tested positive for COVID-19 on October 2nd, 2020. Shortly after losing the 2020 presidential election, he passed away on November Xth at the age of 74."

Honestly, I hope he has a mild case (is there a mild case when you're mid seventies), gets to see himself lose big in November, and then all the other stuff comes crashing down on him

I think the worse part about all of this for the President will be that everyone will be pointing out that he has a preexisting condition: he's obese. Already seen this a few times. I bet he hates it.

He is in several high-risk groups — elderly, obese, low-income.

(I stole that one, but it made me chuckle).

Trump has Covid

he finally got covid

Luckily he has all the hydroxychloroquine he can eat

hmmm unfortunately that means Joe Biden and Chris Wallace all might have it now.

Little part of me feels this is a ploy to get out of doing any more debates...or maybe even to pull out of the race.

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeah I listened to those earlier...I can't say I...uh....I...I just don;t know...I got nothing.

*mouth agape*

I can’t recall if I mentioned it here, or just to the FOxL crew, but when I was in my hometown this summer and got together for an outdoor gathering with some old friends, one of them backed out at the very last minute because his wife woke up that morning with a fever. It turned out that both of them got it. She is in her mid-60s, and he is 72. He never had to stay overnight at the hospital, but he did need a couple of visits and he was feeling pretty rough for almost 3 weeks. He is in*much* better physical condition that Trump. (He’s a pastor in a semi-rural area, very outdoorsy, frequently helps his congregants with yard/farm work, he and his wife redid their entire rather large back patio and deck themselves last summer, etc.) I wouldn’t call two hospital visits and 2-3 weeks down as “mild,” per se, but theoretically, if he were a hyper-partisan he certainly could have spinned it as “just the flu. I got better.” No doubt if Trump survives he will.

(My friend is the only over-70 person person I know personally who got it and survived. The other three were all probably more obese than Trump.)

Dola:

It speaks volumes about the utter untrustworthiness and moral bankruptcy of this man and his administration that the possibility that the President of the United States is lying about this so he can ‘recover’ and ‘prove’ it’s just the flu before the election is being discussed among non tinfoil-fat wearing people. :(

Since it's 2020, Biden probably caught it from Trump.

This. He lies so much and has talked for months about having a "vaccine" before the election so I am still waiting for details about Hope Hicks and any other people infected before I can trust the information.

If one of the nominees were to die and be replaced before the election, what happens to the early votes cast for the original nominee?

I don't think there's a mechanism for replacing someone that quickly. I think the votes would go to their VP, and then they'd have to get a replacement VP approved by Congress or somesuch.

They can't replace the candidate on the ballots at this point. Pence would become President until January, and the Republican electors would choose a replacement, if they won of course. They should choose who the party selects as a replacement (that would most likely be Pence). They can just choose anyone, though.

If the President (or President-Elect if it were Biden that won) died after the election, then the Vice President or Vice President elect would take the job according to the 20th amendment. It only gets murky if the death comes before the election with no time to change the ballots.

I was specifically thinking of a scenario where Biden gets it and dies in late October when millions of people have already voted for him. Does team Trump file a lawsuit saying "they voted for Biden, not Harris! Trump Wins!" I agree that common sense says that the Biden votes would go to Harris, but do we have laws on the books that specify that a dead Presidential candidate's votes automatically go to his or her VP nominee, or do votes for a dead person simply not count?

No, they do not. The Democratic electors would then choose the winner. The party is supposed to tell them who to choose, but many states don't have laws that bind them.
Trump wouldn't necessarily win a challenge in court in that case. What he could do try is have red state legislatures pick non-faithful electors that then vote for Trump instead. That might not stand up in court depending on how the states election laws are written.
Of course, they could not get the required number of electors to elect anybody, and it would go to congress.

By the numbers:

Every person infected with Covid is a step backwards in our effort to slow pandemic and reopen society. A 74-year-old has approximately 3% chance of death, 10-15% chance of severe illness. Higher in males, obesity. Remdesivir, monoclonal ab, convalescent serum unproven, may help.

— Dr. Tom Frieden (@DrTomFrieden) October 2, 2020

President Trump is going to receive the best around-the-clock care. Good chance he will survive this with little complications.

October surprise #1.

Are we really that surprised though?

Honestly, this is the most uncomfortable part of the day so far. I, like everyone else have watched us move to this place every step of the way. I have become way more cynical than I was four years ago. But even I am shocked at the place we have reached.

RT There's an E-6B Mercury off the east coast near DC. I looked because I would expect them to pop up if he tests positive. It's a message to the small group of adversaries with SLBMs and ICBMs. pic.twitter.com/3ta9PmPxZD

— Tim Hogan (@TimInHonolulu) October 2, 2020

Unfortunately, no. (And I do think this is a real diagnosis).

I am concerned about Biden. You would think they would have woke him up and given him a test right away and gotten a result in 1-2 hours or so. The lack of news there is very concerning.

Well, he is Sleepy Joe.

Had a chuckle.

FWIW, debate performance notwithstanding, a Pence-Biden will be a closer race.

Pence will retain Trump's core (where else are they going to go?) and be much more acceptable to the moderate right/independents than Trump.

On the plus side, assuming Trump is OK to debate, it is now possible (likely?) that the next debate is virtual, so muting the non-speaker will be simple

Guess I wasn't the only one.

Does Joe Biden Have Covid-19? Everyone Has the Same Query After Donald Trump Tests Positive

Did they get close to each other? I didn't watch the actual debate.

New: In light of the president’s positive test, former Vice President Joe Biden is expected to get tested for coronavirus this morning, a source familiar with his plans tells @jamiegangel

— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) October 2, 2020

Not that I saw but who knows what happened in the backstage or between their family members, posse etc.

Not really, They didn't shake hands, and the podiums where more than 6 feet apart.

From a voting perspective I think that the people that were screaming Hoax might have to revisit that philosophy now right? I think that there may be .25% or .5% that will view DT as weaker because he contracted it and may turn off the vote for him which would be a ridiculous reason but nothing shocks me anymore.

Yeah I frankly don’t have much skill n in the game on the market here days but know that is why lots of people vote R so was mentioning it.

I know some of you follow predictit, and movement over there?

I know a lot of off shore books have taken the line down.

I doubt it helps him in the election. If anything it hurts him because he looks even dumber for not wearing a mask and making fun of Biden for wearing one. And Trump doesn't like appearing weak so I don't think it's made up. Hopefully he recovers with no/mild symptoms and it's a wake up call for his supporters to take it seriously. Wear a mask!

The thing is that if he recovers with no/mild symptoms that will rally his base. they will be shouting "SEE, IT IS JUST A COLD!"

And no one will wear a mask.

Exactly. That's why I question the validity of this. He comes back healthy in 2 weeks and its going to be a cacophony of "open the country!"

Sadly, we find ourselves in a space where perhaps the worst thing for the country's overall rebound from the pandemic would be for him to have an easy recovery. It'll be further "evidence" that it's "just the flu" for those already inclined to think that way.


EDIT: Yeah, tarcone beat me to it.

Yeah I frankly I don’t have much skin in the game on the market these days but know that is why lots of people vote R so was mentioning it.

Biden is at .65, when he was at .59 before the first debate. Pence has skyrocketed from .03 to .08

We can't believe any of this. All of this could totally be a plant job by the WH.

I see this being a situation where he fakes having it, recovers and talks about how it really is the just like the flu.

Everything about him running for POTUS, getting elected, policies he's put in place, etc. has been all about him making money. So, him getting re-elected is the same. This is just another desperate ploy by him to try to win.

He knows he's losing so he's trying anything possible to win.

Some pro-Biden movement overall and in the individual states.

As someone noted, Pence to win shot up.

Also, pretty big movement in "Will Trump finish his first term," which has been sort of a hybrid impeachment/illness/resign-if-he-loses market.

{facepalm}

To repeat myself: I think we need to consider the possibility that the Trump White House is populated by morons. https://t.co/zVgk1pDBxC pic.twitter.com/zlps3szs4G

— Daniel W. Drezner (@dandrezner) October 2, 2020

And yet 40% of people are voting for him and another percentage are considering it or voting 3rd party. Speaks volumes about us as a society, as well.

SI

They really don't believe in the germ theory of disease.

Like, it isn't like they know it and just pretend that they don't to keep the President from looking bad.

They really, sincerely and honestly, do not seem to understand how germs spread.

It would be so fucked up if Trump really has it, gave it to Biden, Biden dies and Trump wins because of it.

That would be a 2020 fucked up thing to do.

Here's how insane this week has been: less than a week ago, POTUS made the most controversial Supreme Court nomination of our lifetime, and right now there is NO mention of the nominee on the front pages of CNN or MSNBC's web sites, and barely a mention on that of Fox News.

"Alright, sir - what do you think is the best way to get out of 2 more debates?"
"How about we fake COVID and a miraculous recovery?"

SI

Thinking through governing, and it's a nightmare to have the President in quarantine. How is he briefed? What happens if there's a national security crisis? How are materials brought back and forth?

Even things like food and clothing should work differently.

I love one of the responses to it, too

I think what's crazy about this is that their FIRST instinct is always to lie, to dissemble, to prevaricate. It's never to take an honest look at the situation, make a plan of action, then execute it. This is a ruinous character trait in elected leaders...
— Bryson Sullivan (@NaturalParadigm) October 2, 2020

It's like when we talk about "if only he handled the pandemic well". He just doesn't have that tool in his toolbox.

SI

Also, the media has generally given her a pass over the last few years because she almost looks cute, but Hope Hicks is a pretty horrible person, right?

If you spend a lot of your work hours maskless within 6 feet of the President of the United States, then maybe you should spend your non-work hours isolating and staying safe?

We could end up in a nuclear war because she just had to go to some cocktail party or whatever.

Saw this on twitter:

This month is going to be an October Surprise Advent calendar.

Never really, but breathing the same air in an enclosed space while the infected one is shouting at the other one isn't ideal.

SI

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - 2020 Democratic Primaries/General Election Thread

Sorry, guys - I already got first dibs on this in the 2020 Armageddon pool.

SI

Haberman at NYT reporting that Trump has "cold-like" symptoms.

The President knows Hope Hicks tested positive, is feeling lethargic himself, and yet still goes to a fundraiser without a mask. *Pounds head on table*

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And you just know that there was a non-zero chance, they would have planted the seeds for a "Biden gave Trump Corona" conspiracy theory had the Hope Hicks news been kept quiet (or she would have tested negative, false negatives being not that unlikely, thus no obvious candidate).


Also, get mentally ready for a lot of Hydroxychloroquine Infomercials ...

From Oct. 2nd, 2016

Donald Trump mocks Hillary Clinton over her pneumonia outbreak pic.twitter.com/feHjV6cLDa

— The Telegraph (@Telegraph) October 2, 2016

Trump's camp didn't even reach out to the Biden camp to let them know about this.

Fuck them all.

The Lincoln project and Biden camps need to hammer home the fact that this disease has long term consequences we are still learning about and do we want to elect a leader for 4 more years not knowing how this could effect his health in the long run.

Chris Wallace keeping it real on Fox News. Trying to fight the good fight.

I wish people would include at least some details with these sort of posts. Pretty please, for the bored german sitting alone in his office ? ;)

Holy crap - Chris Wallace throwing dirt on Dr. Atlas

SI

Basically saying Atlas is a political dope and that people should listen to Fauci and Birx. And that masks are really important.

Of course, then they brought in some random doctor right after that to try to walk some of it and tell people not to panic.

SI

Thing I am not looking forward to:

If the GOP loses this November, lots and lots of serious people writing serious articles about how the GOP only lost because Trump got the novel coronavirus and so it would be improper and norm-breaking for the Democrats to pass any laws or appoint any judges for the next two years.

Mitch is already sipping his morning bourbon and typing up this talking points as we speak.

Hell, who are we kidding. He had them already months ago.

SI

haha. sorry was typing from my phone.

HE recounted how at the debates Bidens whole camp was wearing masks throughout and not only did the Trump camp not wear masks, they were offered them and waved them off. He also pointed out that was in violation of the rules set by the Cleveland clinic. They also played a clip of Trump mocking Biden for wearing a mask, but cut it off before the really incriminating part and Wallace immediately chimes in that he wished they played the whole clip.

So this probably means the 2nd debate is canceled right (the Town Hall one). No way Trump is going to agree to a Zoom debate. If I was Biden, I'd push for it be rescheduled instead (it's Biden's best format, and even Trump realizes that interrupting when someone is trying to answer a question by a voter is even worse optics than arguing with a moderator).

Also thankfully it means no rallys with a bunch of unmasked, standing close together people for the next 2 weeks.

Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien just sent this email to staff after President Trump tested positive. (He has been around Trump all week.) pic.twitter.com/DTcXWuunqR

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) October 2, 2020

Okay

Aren't we already there? I don't see any way that another Supreme Court vacancy gets filled unless the same party controls the Senate and the WH. Ever.

The White House is acknowledging that Trump is having 'mild symptoms'. I imagine they are probably underplaying it.

The Russian connect was a HoAx! - Good thing he got covid so no one would notice this

The lack of tweets from him makes me suspect that as well.

It is so hard to tell with his scrambled egg way of thinking and talking, but I think that he's saying something along of the lines of "Y'all know how sluts be, always fucking cops and soldiers, amirite?"

He blamed law enforcement and the military pic.twitter.com/r8H8XjFDrf

— Chanda Prescod-Weinstein, #Justice4AnthonyMcClain (@IBJIYONGI) October 2, 2020

A friend of mine got it over the summer, and it has caused Pulmonary Embolism in his lungs. He's dealing with clots and hasn't been able to go back to work. It's gotten to the point that he's started a Gofundme to help cover bills.

I think it's obviously not what he's saying. It's not like Trump doesn't do enough things to criticize that we have to make the things he does say worse than they already are. After all, 'stand down and stand by' is going to be the gift that keeps on giving by itself.

What he's saying is, you know, she's a pretty young girl, and of course all these strong military men and cops want to hug and kiss her. They can't keep their hands off of her! Of course she got sick.

Well yeah, but of all the things you can say? Literally nobody is coming up to them for hugs and kisses. The man has never understood the concept of less is more. It always has to be grandiose and superfluous, so he invites it.

Biden tests negative.

That's really sad - I feel for him. :(

Thank gawd.

I support Biden being locked in a basement until election day.

edit: in a good way. :D

Pence showed up in his place for a conference call at 12:15. Was the perfect chance for Trump to brag about how good he feels. Yeah, I’d bet he’s not feeling so hot.

Exactly and with how this white house lies, you have to think if it was really just mild symptoms, they would have pretended he was fine.

It will be "cold like symptoms" even as they rush him to the hospital for a "physical."

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The first lady can't make the same claim.

According to the medical people on the news, we likely won't know how bad this might be for the President until middle-late next week.

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