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Brian Swartz 07-13-2024 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker
Better to work out excises for why he lost. Russians again? Jill Stein? Way more time to get creative.


I think the odds are pretty good he loses, and it wouldn't be for me to 'work out excuses'. But it's far from certain, and stuff like the 400 electoral votes are what I think is nuts.

I think Biden could (I'm not at all hoping for this to be clear) literally die and not be replaced on the ticket and Trump still wouldn't get that many.

PilotMan 07-13-2024 08:49 PM

Sigh. Biden had the right response, but I hate that he had to give it and couldn't take the low road response, reply like trump would have done and blame everyone else for it happening, like Biden.

I just hate that this overshadows Dr Ruth and Richard Simmons passing.

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 08:56 PM

I would say 400 would be near impossible, but 307-322 is definitely in play.

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RainMaker 07-13-2024 09:22 PM

He's seems to have 311 safely. New Jersey, New Hampshire, and New Mexico may be in play. So probably a ceiling of 334 which is still incredible with such an unpopular canddiate.

Qwikshot 07-14-2024 06:03 AM

Took a long walk this morning, it's beautiful out and not too hot yet.

I thought about yesterday, Dr. Ruth going, then Richard Simmons and then we get the Trump thing...

I don't think it changes things. Trump already has a slight lead but his negatives are still there. His followers are still his followers. His opponents are still his opponents.

For moderates or undecided, I think longview is we're tired of this shit, it's been an escalation, his past four years were a stress induced nightmare of fuckery.

I get Biden is old and boring; guess what, that's good, it's good for America to have a steadying force that just gets shit done.

Trump in office will not get anything done save for Trump; his minions will do what they can to carve off pieces for themselves.

It will not get better.

Ghost Econ 07-14-2024 06:42 AM

So, a registered Republican. Doesn't necessarily mean anything and the narrative is already written.

PilotMan 07-14-2024 07:17 AM

I would say the lone wolf, extremist terror threats have been on the rise, and have been the primary threat in this country for quite some time. This isn't necessarily that, but it's not necessarily that either. The temp continues to rise in the country. This won't be a 'bring the people together moment', nor will it be the point where cooling is even attempted. I still don't think we're at 1968 levels of fear, but we're quickly closing.

GrantDawg 07-14-2024 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3436757)
I would say the lone wolf, extremist terror threats have been on the rise, and have been the primary threat in this country for quite some time. This isn't necessarily that, but it's not necessarily that either. The temp continues to rise in the country. This won't be a 'bring the people together moment', nor will it be the point where cooling is even attempted. I still don't think we're at 1968 levels of fear, but we're quickly closing.



1968. Exactly what has been on my mind all night.

Dutch 07-14-2024 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwikshot (Post 3436755)

For moderates or undecided, I think longview is we're tired of this shit, it's been an escalation, his past four years were a stress induced nightmare of fuckery.

I get Biden is old and boring; guess what, that's good, it's good for America to have a steadying force that just gets shit done.


I have serious doubts that Biden is anything but a puppet at this point and I believe he will not get anything done for the next four years. Things will be done, but not by his doing. He’s essentially in a reverse-regency status at this point.

As for being boring, 5 days prior to this assassination attempt, Kenneth Vogel of The NY Times reported that Biden told donors via phone call that, “I’m done with talking about the debate. It’s time to put a bullseye on Trump.” That’s not boring language, he probably misspoke or read something his staff handed him to read, but it certainly isn’t boring the day after Trump was put in a bullseye.

Thankfully the shooter missed (the candidate at least) and I’m hopeful the fiery rhetoric on the far left tones down.

Ksyrup 07-14-2024 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutch (Post 3436759)

As for being boring, 5 days prior to this assassination attempt, Kenneth Vogel of The NY Times reported that Biden told donors via phone call that, “I’m done with talking about the debate. It’s time to put a bullseye on Trump.” That’s not boring language, he probably misspoke or read something his staff handed him to read, but it certainly isn’t boring the day after Trump was put in a bullseye.

Thankfully the shooter missed (the candidate at least) and I’m hopeful the fiery rhetoric on the far left tones down.


Wait... you're comparing escalating rhetoric on social media and TV by mostly rght-wing politicians with a closed-door comment Biden made to megarich people as being similar, inferring it has some causal connection to this shooting? Like, Biden's comment that no one heard about and is a commonly-used phrase is the same as Paul Gosar's comic book stabbing of AOC or the President of Heritage Foundation warning "we'd have a bloodless revolution if the left allows it" on TV (among dozens of examples)? Are you serious?

GrantDawg 07-14-2024 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3436761)
Wait... you're comparing escalating rhetoric on social media and TV by mostly rght-wing politicians with a closed-door comment Biden made to megarich people as being similar, inferring it has some causal connection to this shooting? Like, Biden's comment that no one heard about and is a commonly-used phrase is the same as Paul Gosar's comic book stabbing of AOC or the President of Heritage Foundation warning "we'd have a bloodless revolution if the left allows it" on TV (among dozens of examples)? Are you serious?



Or Trump reposting a truck that has a picture of Biden tied up in the bed?

Lathum 07-14-2024 08:36 AM

Or the countless tactless posts about Paul Pelosi.

What happened with trump was terrible, but the current GOP has embraced violence.

GrantDawg 07-14-2024 08:37 AM

First pic of the shooter pre-shot I have seen.


Blocked

Dutch 07-14-2024 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwikshot (Post 3436755)

For moderates or undecided, I think longview is we're tired of this shit, it's been an escalation, his past four years were a stress induced nightmare of fuckery.

I get Biden is old and boring; guess what, that's good, it's good for America to have a steadying force that just gets shit done.


I have serious doubts that Biden is anything but a puppet at this point and I believe he will not get anything done for the next four years. Things will be done, but not by his doing. He’s essentially in a reverse-regency status at this point.

As for being boring, 5 days prior to this assassination attempt, Kenneth Vogel of The NY Times reported that Biden told donors via phone call that, “I’m done with talking about the debate. It’s time to put a bullseye on Trump.” That’s not boring language, he probably misspoke or read something his staff handed him to read, but it certainly isn’t boring the day after Trump was put in a bullseye.

Thankfully the shooter missed (the candidate at least) and I’m hopeful the fiery rhetoric on the far left tones down.

cartman 07-14-2024 09:09 AM

there is a glitch with the Dutch bot

Lathum 07-14-2024 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutch (Post 3436767)

I’m hopeful the fiery rhetoric on the far left tones down.


This is such a shit take. Trump preachers political violence and literally has quoted Hitler, claimed he will be a dictator, tried to overthrow democracy, and has a plan in place to create a fascist government.

Everything the "far left" claims is absolute truth. Maybe if Trump wasn't so loathsome this wouldn't have happened.

Kodos 07-14-2024 10:14 AM

Lotsa idiots on Facebook saying it was staged. So the stupidity isn’t confined to the lunatic right.

Passacaglia 07-14-2024 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3436768)
there is a glitch with the Dutch bot


The most literal interpretation of doubling down

Ksyrup 07-14-2024 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 3436770)
Lotsa idiots on Facebook saying it was staged. So the stupidity isn’t confined to the lunatic right.


And at least one elected official. Fucking idiots. But you know, when you see what works for the other side, time to go a-slummin' down the same dark alleys...

Ksyrup 07-14-2024 11:13 AM

Oh, and about my comments that SS did a shit job shielding Trump on the stage, Matt Walsh of course said "hold my beer" and is questioning why the FEMALE agent is ducking down to expose Trump's head.

These people have no limits. How someone can read/listen to this shit and then, as a female or LGBTQ or minority still vote for them boggles my mind.

Dutch 07-14-2024 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3436768)
there is a glitch with the Dutch bot


Yeah man, this happens (I think) after I edit a post from my phone.

PilotMan 07-14-2024 11:28 AM

Who is Biden a puppet of again? I just want to know where the real power is.

NobodyHere 07-14-2024 11:31 AM

Trump Rally Suspect Had Explosive Devices in His Car: WSJ

I wonder what his full plan was.

Atocep 07-14-2024 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3436780)


Early info seems to suggest he was a registered republican that was bullied throughout school. This may be less about politics and mostly just a guy that snapped and saw an opportunity.

Dutch 07-14-2024 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3436779)
Who is Biden a puppet of again? I just want to know where the real power is.


I prefer reverse-regency but I didn’t say he was for sure a puppet, he could be calling all the shots (figuratively, not literally) but at this point, I don’t believe he’s capable of running the country as anything other than a signature block on other people’s work, similar to a regency for a young king or queen.

I don’t believe he has the mental cognizance to make sharp executive veto of those advisors suggestions or how to put his own stamp on all of the decisions that the POTUS must make.

I believe this not because the White House has provided any official statement or document as proof, but because in everyday life we have things like Powers of Attorney to care for elders that need the help.

Ksyrup 07-14-2024 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutch (Post 3436782)
he could be calling all the shots (figuratively, not literally)


If only Biden had added this parenthetical to his use of a similar common phrase, none of this would.have happened!

Ksyrup 07-14-2024 12:31 PM

Doesn't seem like a politically-motivated act from initial reports. Bullied loner, always wore hunting clothing, donated to a liberal PAC on Biden's inauguration day but later that year registered GOP, and no one they've spoken to who went to HS with him said he was overtly political.

JPhillips 07-14-2024 12:44 PM

It's pretty common that these types of shooters have no or contradictory political opinions. Hinckley famously shot Reagan to try and impress Jodi Foster.

Edward64 07-14-2024 12:54 PM

Amazing pic of the bullet

Bullets, blood and a raised fist: Dramatic images from Trump rally - BBC News
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The New York Times photographer Doug Mills caught the moment a bullet appears to fly past.

Trump with a bloody face, raising his fist will play well …

On the other hand, Joe’s cognitive issue out of the news for a while.

Lathum 07-14-2024 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3436785)
Doesn't seem like a politically-motivated act from initial reports. Bullied loner, always wore hunting clothing, donated to a liberal PAC on Biden's inauguration day but later that year registered GOP, and no one they've spoken to who went to HS with him said he was overtly political.



i'm certain this is the angle FOX news and right wing media will take.

Ksyrup 07-14-2024 01:11 PM

Not when the likely VP has already declared this a liberal assassination attempt.

PilotMan 07-14-2024 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3436786)
It's pretty common that these types of shooters have no or contradictory political opinions. Hinckley famously shot Reagan to try and impress Jodi Foster.



I really don't see the motive matter at all. It's done. The result is played. The pictures will carry on forever. Who did it or why is ancillary now.

GrantDawg 07-14-2024 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3436780)



Planning to ram the area and set off explosives if he couldn't get the shooting position maybe?

Passacaglia 07-14-2024 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3436787)
Amazing pic of the bullet

Bullets, blood and a raised fist: Dramatic images from Trump rally - BBC News


Trump with a bloody face, raising his fist will play well …

On the other hand, Joe’s cognitive issue out of the news for a while.



I don't think it's out of the news, I think they'll be seen as being about the same thing - Joe has cognitive issues, while Trump can raise his fist after being shot.

Atocep 07-14-2024 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 3436796)
I don't think it's out of the news, I think they'll be seen as being about the same thing - Joe has cognitive issues, while Trump can raise his fist after being shot.


Yeah what actually happened doesn't even matter at this point. The party of political fanfic has already written their stories.

GrantDawg 07-14-2024 04:49 PM

Another blow to the "good guy with a gun" talking point...

https://x.com/AP/status/181256413701...UHMrfUibQ&s=19

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JonInMiddleGA 07-14-2024 05:12 PM

The real story in all of this should be how the shooter was able to get into that position in the first place.

Which means it's the thing least likely to be resolved :(

Atocep 07-14-2024 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3436802)
The real story in all of this should be how the shooter was able to get into that position in the first place.

Which means it's the thing least likely to be resolved :(


The fact that he got into that position and was then taken out within seconds says there was a massive breakdown.

It's well beyond time for some purging within the Secret Service and some accountability.

JonInMiddleGA 07-14-2024 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3436803)
It's well beyond time for some purging within the Secret Service and some accountability.


But I bet you'd have had a helluva time stealing chips & a soft drink anywhere around there

GrantDawg 07-14-2024 05:38 PM

I just don't get how between the SS and the local police forces that were pulled into the area, how there wasn't a body on every roof within the sight line. It just doesn't seem like that would have taken that much man-power.

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CrimsonFox 07-14-2024 05:39 PM

this was kinda funny


JonInMiddleGA 07-14-2024 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3436806)
I just don't get how between the SS and the local police forces that were pulled into the area, how there wasn't a body on every roof within the sight line. It just doesn't seem like that would have taken that much man-power.


Having been through a scenario like this some years back, that's a big push/pull. Local authorities often haaaaaaaaate being dragged into this kind of stuff & are frequently extremely resentful of it, to the point of being "cooperative" with all the enthusiasm of me being paid to say something nice about {insert apt topic here}.

RainMaker 07-14-2024 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3436802)
The real story in all of this should be how the shooter was able to get into that position in the first place.

Which means it's the thing least likely to be resolved :(


It's worse after I saw an aerial shot. If this was a major city where you had to cover dozens of building, it's one thing. But from this photo, I don't see a whole lot of places that would even be places you could pull this off from. How do you not have someone stationed on the roof? Or at the very least a drone or two in the air spotting weird movements by any tall buildings?

This is either incredibly poor work and laziness, or something more sinister.



Ksyrup 07-14-2024 05:58 PM

When in doubt and without pretty good evidence, I fall on the side of incompetence. Whether it's this or bad food service. Incompetence is pretty common everywhere.

CrimsonFox 07-14-2024 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3436810)
Having been through a scenario like this some years back, that's a big push/pull. Local authorities often haaaaaaaaate being dragged into this kind of stuff & are frequently extremely resentful of it, to the point of being "cooperative" with all the enthusiasm of me being paid to say something nice about {insert apt topic here}.


oh come on....these are republicans we're talking about. They don't plan...and they aren't smart. They scoff at everything involved with thinking. I mean Guliani went to a parking Lot for a press conference and no one thought that was wrong.

RainMaker 07-14-2024 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3436813)
When in doubt and without pretty good evidence, I fall on the side of incompetence. Whether it's this or bad food service. Incompetence is pretty common everywhere.


Yeah, they've had their fair share of blunders over the years so I'm going with incompetence. But I think questions need to be asked and there needs to be an investigation into it. A 20 year old loser should not be able to pull that off in such a remote location.

Danny 07-14-2024 06:02 PM

Id have to think if there was a conspiracy theyd get someone as the shooter who wouldnt miss.

JonInMiddleGA 07-14-2024 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny (Post 3436817)
Id have to think if there was a conspiracy theyd get someone as the shooter who wouldnt miss.


Patsies are a human factor that can never be 100% accounted for. Murphy's Law and all that.

BYU 14 07-14-2024 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3436818)
Patsies are a human factor that can never be 100% accounted for. Murphy's Law and all that.


I am not a big conspiracy guy at all, but this whole thing is very Kennedy like. Dude was a registered republican, roof he shot from had perfect line of site from the snipers position and was the closest elevated structure to where they were, yet he still managed to get off multiple shots before they fired back.

GrantDawg 07-14-2024 07:08 PM

There are several large SUV's now parked outside J.D. Vances' house. Looks like the VP pick has been made.

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