I'm still suspicious of Jackal, but two second votes on two villagers looks really bad.

Vote NFG

Also, twice now Autumn has voted for NFG early in the day, and there have been no follow votes. I think at least one wolf would have capitalized on that and followed Autumn's vote.

One slight alteration, on day 2, King voted for NFG one post after Autumn dropped his vote there, so technically one person followed the vote there.

I was trying to start movement on him yesterday by adding a second vote (which I thought at the time) to see what would follow.

Of course, I didn't fully catch up on the thread before I posted as autumn unvoted him just 5 minutes prior.

Yeah, I amended that as I looked at the vote again in the post right above yours. Your vote looks good if NFG turns out wolf

Wow... that's an impressive analysis. I'm going to have to digest this for a bit. I think you've made quite some good inroads there, Danny. Maybe get DT to comment on it to see if he may have some other info relating to the conclusions you've come to.

Great work there Danny. Since you are also suspicious of Jackal, and your analysis makes me suspicious of him too now, I'll go there so we don't have a runaway vote on nfg.

vote Jackal

@3:03 - msg received. good to be on same page re:you. will have more to say later

in the car and on my phone. excuse any typos, and if there are any questions I need t answer if someone wants to post them after this post of mine to make sure I don't miss them.

I am fine with a Jackal, NFG run off, I'd bet there is at least one wolf between the two of them.

What exactly makes me suspicious with what I've done?

What analysis, exactly?

I unvoted PB on day one first because I suddenly got a few votes and shifted my vote to NTN for self defense.

I've voted for two unknowns, haven't shuffled my vote around.. not sure why you're after me. Because I got votes on day one? We've already established that was a baseless run.

Danny, thanks for the hard work.

vote nfg

Since I wanted to go this direction yesterday and haven't seen anything to change my mind since autumn's situation was cleared up by DT.

Vote nfg22

Well, works for me.

Vote nfg

daddytorgo has this to say: in a jacal vs ng runoff the only candidate in there he can support voting for is jackal. jackal is on the NI list, and the "power could be demonstrated and still be wolf" list and nfg is not.

would rather see votes for others over either of those 2, but if I must be one of those 2 I will vote jackal

Do we have a vote count (I see Telle in the thread, she'll probably pull through)?

Well since I've been called out by name and all.. :)

Votes as of post #1421:

1 - Autumn - nfg (1132)
1 - PurdueBrad - path (1347)
5 - nfg - Autumn (1350), Danny (1405), PurdueBrad (1417), king (1418), The Jackal (1419)
1 - The Jackal - Thomkal (1411)

DT is starting to talk in third person now? Shades of Dr. Doom.

I'm not sure if DT's comment is enough to make me change votes. I mean does he actually have anything on NFG or is he just saying NFG has a more believable role? Is NFG on the high trust list or the mild trust list?

What I'd give for a COT right now. DT can you give a little more guidance as to how strongly you feel about this? I like the analysis we have now.

Thinking about that, DT's comment is enough for me to prefer a 5-2 margin over a 5-1.

VOTE THE JACKAL

I'm not sure either, so far going with the less believable role thing hasn't worked out to well.

Is NFG going to be on soon, I'd like to hear from him

I don't want to join the pile-on on nfg, so I'm going to go with Chief instead. He voted for now-known villagers both days and was one of the people who jumped at following DT on Autumn.

vote Chief Rum

I agree with Danny's theory that the wolves likely wanted to spread their votes out and did so early to get some candidates they could build on. Your votes fit that theory nicely.

I think he's saying NFG is a more believable role. Not necessarily making any definitive statements on NFG being high trust or not.

Makes me lean toward Jackal right now, but I'll have to think about it a bit more before casting a vote.

Danny, I don't see quite the motive in nfg's voting record that you do.

What I see as the most damning thing about him ends up being a positive, and that is his eagerness to throw Autumn under the bus last night in his PM to DT.

That could be seen as a wolfy thing to do, though when Autumn presumably came up good it would focus extra attention his way. I saw it more as looking for a reason to suspect someone who had voted for him (remember, he mentioned King when he voted Autumn, who had also just happened to vote him).

But the end positive is that he appeared to convince DT one way or the other, so I'm not sold on voting for him.

I don't see why going after someone who voted early for two unknowns is better than going after people who have voted for two known villagers. You are punishing me because the people I voted for weren't lynched, even though they might be wolves?

Well, the others on my list today from vote analysis were PB, Danny, NTN and Saldana. I would swtich to Jackal or to one of these people. I know Jackal's not great on DT's list, I'm not sure abou the rest.

NTN I have no idea about, but I think it's unlikely PB is a wolf.

I mean, what do you think DT, should I just share my role? I'm not the person to go after.

Wait. I don't recall DT giving us the names of the two people who PM'd him about wanting to use their powers against Autumn. Did I just miss that or something?

NFG was revealed as one in thread, I'm not sure if the other was or not, I can't remember

Well, NFG is here now, so let's see what he has to say.

probably something like "please don't vote for me"

Have no fear I am here...Ill give a reason for my votes....I voted on NTN fast because of no activity and needing a viable candidate. Then NTN came on, interacted and gave a good defense. I then voted on Kwhit because NTN gave what seemed to be a good scenario. Thus making me jump on Kwhit right after NTN. The second day I cant say much other than I wanted to get a vote out on my most likely candidate. It was the second vote but really it was a coincidence. I know i dont have much history but you will see if you look at the 4-5 games i have played, that I am very quick to conclusions and I like action.

The fact that DT would rather go for someone else(jackal) instead of me should mean a bit. I sincerly hope you dont vote me off based on two days of voting when really no one had any clue what to do. This was shown by the quick ups and downs of many people. I was not the only one just piling on votes.

Pass...now come one...would I say that? Maybe I want to be voted for before I kill you???RAWWWR.

I find Jackal's behavior somewhat suspicious. He votes for NFG, not necessarily because of what I layed out, but because it's not him, but at this time he only has 1 vote on him. He also is basically ready to give up and reveal with only two votes.

Guarenteed I was not one who wanted to use powers on Autumn. I just didnt want to tell my powers to Autumn. DT will confirm this.

PM @ 1215...I agree totally and will follow your advice...

Hmm... can someone who has been in a few of the 4-5 games NFG has been in before verify if he actually is quick to conclusions as he said?

Well, I figure this isn't like last game where you wanted everyone to vote for you! :p

Well i totally messed up a the HERO WW because I sometimes just say something to say something.

You are correct. I would not like everyone to vote for me...just 40%. Im just joking. I really would like 0%.

fifteen people? but not DT to vouch for me...how unfortunate.

I agree Danny about Jackal being suspicious. Given that you're both on my suspect list and are somewhat at odds in this, I think I will vote for you and see how that race goes. Despite my misgivings I'll come off of nfg for now to avoid lynching someone DT thinks might be good and/or helpful.

UNVOTE NFG22
VOTE DANNY

No, I've been suspicious of NFG since Autumn mentioned he pinged him the other day. And yes, it's partly self-preservation, but I honestly do think there's a good chance he's a wolf, much more confident than I was in my PB or NTN votes.

I'm annoyed because I've done nothing negative for the village and am drawing heat, that's all.

WTF? Danny? Im glad it isnt me but random? Especially when your the one who spearheaded the dont go with DT but go with voting records...im confused but kinda relieved?

Im keeping my vote on Autumn.

I mentioned Danny as a suspect much earlier in the day NFG. In addition I just have a gut feeling, he hasn't been playing his normal game. He hasn't drawn any attention. If Jackal is a good guy I think Danny may not be so I'd like to see how a race between them woudl go.

Why are you so sure about DAnny, NFG?