Vote: Saldana
Not voting with Raven.

Explore flatland
This seems like the safer option. I'd advise other people to join me.

I personally do not understand the explore heat source option when we have no offense. I hope one of you guys has the gun... unfortunately it may not help you against what you find out there.

Whatever...I'm not going to self save and there is nothing to say to defend myself since there has yet to be a logical reason given for voting me.

I'm UTR...that's fine..my play style has been the same for years. ..ssit back and watch and listen and analyze...yyour loss if you kill me today and don't get the benefit of any of that..it's funny how many people have made drive by votes, including thomkal. ..I am interested in why timmae not trusting me means something...why does anyone trust timmae?

But you'll vote with bitrock who essentially had the same line of thought that I did. ::shrug:: I don't care what you do. I've explained myself and you can choose to believe me or not.

Saldana... the trouble is we don't have great alternatives at this point. We are splitting hairs when trying to decide who to vote against as there isn't much to go on. Especially with possible game shifts and changes.

Having said that, your votes just don't seem to add up. I can't place you squarely in the colonists side of things. Your activity to date hasn't shown a true goal of helping the colony. You made a fairly strong play early on but then had some questionable decisions. It just doesn't add up in my eyes. The last few days would have been greta opportunities to present hypothesis' but not much has come of it. I could be wrong, probably am figuring the odds, but unfortunately that's what it is.

Hey Saldana,

did you vote for me to become leader, have you said anything positive to me since I became leader? why are you not trying to convince me you are good. I too am often UTR like you when I used to play. Its a playstyle with consequences because there's little to go on when it comes to trusting such people. Fight to stay alive don't complain otherwise. Give me helpful info that will prove you are good and want to work with the government-that you believe the govt is the only way we will survive this.

If something's here, I want to be in the know.

i will explore heat source

iI was the first person to volunteer to build the biodome, and the defensive systems, and finish the medical center.. i guess those things weren't helpful...ccome at me with something better than that!

seriously, sal sounds as good as he ever did. I've never played a game with him where he wasn't grumbling about everything including the rules.

Since when did kissing up to you become a prerequisite for being part of the game...yyou are the leader, not a god...nnothing says I have to be nice to you

Who are you voting and why? Provide some justification and we'll listen. The floor is yours.

who do you think is evil and why-do you have any evidence on another colonist you can share?

I am voting dangarion again (which is where I started yesterday...I gave my reasons then...I will try to go back and find them)

who said anything about kissing up? If you are good and think I am now is the time we should all be uniting-they killed two of the goods yesterday

here was my post yesterday for why I am on Dan

He's being feisty. I like it!

unvote saldana
vote dangarion

Sold.

unvote Saldana
vote DanGarion

I honestly don't know if you are good or not...I think you have made choices in your interests and that you want personal goals that may or may not align with the colony...tthat said, if I thought you were a wolf, I would have come after you today

For science!

unvote dangarion
vote saldana

:eek:

For those of you playing at the dome.

We discovered something that we are unable to explain. A source of great knowledge and power.

The sausage king of Chicago... Hot Doug?

(OOC) I just wanted to throw this out there for everyone to know. I have two open houses at my house this weekend, and I have a work trip on Monday-Weds. I will do as much as I can this weekend and I will probably do tentative votes over the weekend on my feelings. This means that I may make some late changes to my votes on Monday night as long as I get into OKC in time and settled into my hotel room. But I will not be very active for much of the day on any of those days... :(

Well, that sucked. I need to reset and do some digging. I am out all day tomorrow but will be on late. Interesting day on Mars..

I can tell you one thing I don't want to be part of the medical staff it appears that basically puts one foot in the grave...

Also although I'm not feeling well I can safely say your efforts would be wasted on trying to provide me any medical attention. I feel our attention should be solely on survival at this point but I'm interested in the unknown landing site.

Not the heat source again?

Considering the way I feel I don't think it would personally be worth it for me. Those that haven't gone can go but you might not feel as you have as much constitution after your trip...

Good luck all...thanks for the game EF!!

sorry saldana

OK I am about to make some claims that will likely put my life at risk, but I am doing so for the benefit of the colony. All of these claims are based upon information that can be proven from public posts, and the events that have transpired since we landed. I will attempt to provide as much proof as possible.


Despite my recent differences with fontisian, she was a good leader.
With her in charge, we built up our colony and made progress. We formed a government building, a biodome and a medical center. (Am I missing anything?) With font in charge, we also did not have to kill off our own colonists. We were moving as a cohesive group to further the colony, and under a democratic society. We lost Schmidty and Danny early on, but then went days without losing anyone.

Since Thomkal has been in charge, we have had NO buildings created. we have been ruled by an iron fist and faced 2 votes. In the first, where GE duked, Thomkal was the judge. He also refused to allow fontisian to stand trial. Thomkal also imprisoned Zinto for speaking out against him.
In the second vote, some of you voted to kill saldana, who ended up being a good guy.

I want to focus on one of the things that Zinto said to get imprisoned...


Later he explained the reference.


The first line from wikipedia:
“First they came …” is a famous statement and provocative poem attributed to pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the cowardice of German intellectuals following the Nazis' rise to power and the subsequent purging of their chosen targets, group after group. Variations and adaptations in the spirit of the original have been published in the English language."

And the original poem...
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


Next there was this...


The note read: "Viva Le Resistance"
French Resistance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The first sentence from wiki
"The French Resistance (French: La Résistance française) is the name used to denote the collection of French resistance movements that fought against the Nazi German occupation of France and against the collaborationist Vichy régime during World War II."


I looked into these 2 wiki pages this morning, after the death of Chief, and I found a loose correlation - both were against the Nazi's.

The writer of the poem was a German Martin Niemöller that opposed the Nazis. Viva Le Reistance is a french phrase used by French resistants to the Nazi rule. Because of the two nationality differences, I let this go and did no pursue it any further. I thought it was simply a loose correlation.
But then...


"Ja Wohl" Let me google that...
jawohl - Wiktionary

Ja Wohl is a essentially a German phrase meaning "Yes Sir!", often used in a military context.


This is no longer a coincidence. We know Thomkal is a retired Army General. I am under the belief that Thomkal is a retired NAZI Army General.
We now have 3 German/Nazi references, and have made no progress as a colony since Thomkal has become our leader.

I am not accusing Thomkal of any of the murders, as I have no facts to support that claim. However, I do believe that Thomkal is a former Nazi General, and it is likely that he is NOT the best person to be our leader.

I do not know why Chief Rum was injured, and I am not sure why the "French Resistance" note was left on him. It does not appear he had anything to do with the Nazis, so this piece does not add up to me.

I also know that the Nazis were defeated around 70 years ago (1945ish), and that would mean THomkal would have to be 90+ years old, which doesn't quite add up. But the rest of the proof seems to be there.

Also Thomkal is now injured, so if we wish to remove him from Leadership NOW would be the optimal time to do so.

Also, forgot to quote this one. Another Viva La Resistance note.

First Chief, now Autumn. Someone is targeting our medical staff, but I do not yet know why.

Who the hell used me as a punching bag?

Vote: Britrock

This is probably a rash decision, and I'm opening to changing it, but right now I'm pretty peeved.

I wanted to point out something similar like your point about just because someone is a retired general doesn't mean he's a good guy but no one seem like they wanted to believe me with some of my other claims so I stopped making comments like that.

Can you guys who went to the heat source tell us more about what you found?

Hopefully we can come to terms with one another and start figuring this all out for the colony. I'm willing to let the past couple days be forgotten so can move on.

Unless someone else going out something different individually that is all we found.

Just a heat source? No explanation of what it was, no benefit or detriment to it? So it was just a wasted trip?

I felt as if I received a benefit to a skill. But again I'm not feeling good after the trip.

God... who has more medical skills?? I would like to search around. I don't want to be in the base anymore!

Is more risky stay behind our D# than going to explore...

Timmae can you make the typical list with who was in every place??

Is this the first time we have had early evening results? I will have to go back and check. Is that typical? Not that anything to do with this planet seems typical.

Yes sure can but I wont be back to home base until late tonight. Cheese, bacon, booze run to northern Wisconsin. Wohooo!!

Yes it was. It was the easiest way for me to get results out without keeping people waiting to hear something and to convey a sense of timing for the various events.

Thanks boss... Makes sense. As a noob I didnt know if that was a convention we typically see that means something specific. Loving the game play so far... Job (too) well done EF!

Raven.. Great work there my friend! Thom will certainly need to speak to this when he is able. I too think that it is not coincidence that the tragic events started when Thom took control. That must have been an event in the storyline that triggered certain things to happen/change. Thom's intentions may or may not have been in the best interests of the colony but they almost certainly had chain reactions that I am fairly certain he did not even see coming
.

Having said that... We must look into any attitude changes. We must also begin to put together some kind of hierarchy as to whom can be most trusted. I am saddened that I was able to so certainly cast doubt on my fellow colonists who had nothing but our best intentions in mind.

The resistance is definitely operating below ground and we must decide how to expose their true identities. The answers are there.. We just have to solve the riddle.

Another thought... Per Ravens thoughts the murderers could be the resistance parties to Thom's reign. One of the supplies was the oven to cremate the dead. It is now being used to take care of the lynch victim. Is it just a coincidence that mission control sent the oven? Is the stowaway connected to the change in power? The stowaway was not on the manifest and I assumed mission control didnt know about them. What if they did? Is CF linked to Thom's reign?

Need to do a deep dive back in connections throughout this awful vacation trip to Mars.

Thanks a lot four horseman... Had to go awake the Bull!

Man we are gonna look like complete idiots when this is done.

I think EF is lighting the trail... Dig deep to discover.

Just had a thought looking at the main page. Just because someone has the gun, it doesn't mean that they have ammunition...

Oh man.... Where is my pillow?!

Holy crap.

So we've gotten a wolf... great read Suicane with the vote...

Very sad to see font go. I trusted her and it was a shame she had to lose leadership the way she did.

So we have three groups, so to speak.

The Resistance... (wolves?)

The Truth Seekers (vanilla?)

The psychopath (either/or?)

font got bullmoosed? is that what just happened??
I had a bad feeling about both of them. brit's vote swapping was absolutely terribad.
So she was a resisitance person and brit was a murderer? Is that what we're seeing?

I wonder how many of each there are.

i was thinking that the truth seeker thing WAS the murderer.
I don't know

Was it the brutal kill ability that got Brit? If so we just got lucky.

yes I think so.

this makes me think of The Warriors.

Are we going to see the Baseball Furies and the Turnbull AC's?

I'm pretty confused as far as it goes as well.

there's a lot going on.

Is there typically just one cunning in these things?

so 5 people just died?
4? with more injured?

So this kinda confirms that the seekers and the resistance are not working together. I was just thinking the seekers were murderers. But if there is only one murderer then that probably isn't true unless killing brit is now the end of murdering.

The Angel of Mercy thing doesn't fit his profile of police brutality cop at all tho.

pretty much always really.

at least we definitely have an answer for the danny and schmidty slayings

So just as I was thinking Font wasn't at all perfect herself. Like I said just because she was a history teacher didn't mean she didn't do something.

Does this clear suicane of being a wolf?
Was thinking yes at first but it was just a vote.

it's not GAME OVER yet! put that away! :)

GoldenEagle is definitely clear of killing right? He was in jail. Was he still in jail when the day started and the bullmoose happened?

Thanks for ruining my weekend :( go ahead just get it over with wolves-I've helped you enough I think.

And no Raven I am not a Nazi-I might have played like one towards the end, but I played with cards I was dealt-the way I felt the character would have acted. And the real reason I stopped playing-I suck at this game as much as I love it, and I end up hurting my side far far more than I do helping it.

Now then, if any one left is actually on my side, which is good by the way, then you need to know I'm injured and in need of medical aid if I'm to survive another turn, which by all rights I shouldn't. And if I do survive, then some of you better step forward and have things we can use to somehow try to win this game.

Sorry to vent in your game EF, but felt I had to given the circumstances. It's no one's fault but my own-and definitely not yours. I won't talk more about this until the game is over.

See you on Monday.

OMG finally Tom Mason was a killer :( I am disapointed but this turn is very interesting :popcorn:

So was it my vote for Brit that took him out or just coincidence?

I'm willing to bet more coincidence than anything.

*crickets*

Update for Day 9 decisions..

DanGarion – SOCIAL (GREAT) PHYSICAL (GOOD) MEDICAL (BELOW AVERAGE), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), SCIENTIFIC (AWFUL) lead large group of succ. people. "well liked", Democratic
Zinto - SOCIAL (GREAT), CEO
Suicane - PHYSICAL (GOOD), retired politician with history of public service, forced out due to bribery???
Crimsonfox – SOCIAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD) , SCIENTIFIC (BELOW AVERAGE) , automechanic,
timmae (PRIMARY SCIENTIST) – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GOOD), PHYSICAL (AWFUL) studied science his whole life, "engineering type", blogger, charged with identity theft
Raven – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD) farmer. strong science background.
Narcizo – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (OK), MEDICAL (OK) PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE) chemist. bit of experience running small scale facility, drug dealer?
SharkN20, SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), PHYSICAL (AWFUL), professional gamer that used my life to develop your skills, insurance fraud
GoldenEagle – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GREAT)computer programmer, proposes deep analysis for scientific purposes
ntndeacon – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (BAD) EMT, but not a doctor
bitrock – PHYSICAL (GREAT) SOCIAL (GOOD), (MEDICAL) ENGINEERING (AWFUL) police officer. record isn't perfect, and physical capability can sometimes cloud higher-order processes, excused for excessive force
thomkal (LEADER) – SOCIAL (GREAT), PHYSICAL (GREAT), MEDICAL (LOW), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), SCIENTIFIC (BELOW AVERAGE)retired Army general. primary concerns safety, questionable resignation.
shoveler - PHYSICAL (GREAT)Construction, mafia hitman
TheJackal – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE) MIT Prof of Engineering
Grover (PRIMARY ENGINEER) – ENGINEERING (GOOD), SCIENTIFIC(GOOD), PHYSICAL (AVERAGE), SOCIAL (AVERAGE), MEDICAL (AWFUL) 2 yrs as engineer on ISS. prof. astronaut, enginer and scientist by trade. leader of ISS mission. has lived in space

Who has the gun???
Murderer is a coward?
I have exposed histories highlighted in bold italics.

OK, of this list I am suspicious of people who have been following but have been a bit UTR. That list includes: Zinto, Shark, Jackal and recently Raven.

I list britrock but he is out as well. Forgot to delete him from the list.

This late vote makes me think that Brit knew DG was also a wolf. He voted for DG until the last moment when he knew his vote would decide it and then shifted to Saldana who he knew was a villager. Am I reading this right that brit knew that DG was a wolf and was trying to throw us off of his trail? I think maybe.

vote DanGarion

Throwing an early vote out there to see what others think. Although I am 0 for 2 in finding the wolf so who knows..

Suicane needs medical care.

Thomkal was caught in an accident. Does he need medical care? He is currently unavailable for action.

GoldenEagle is in prison and unavailable.

CrimsonFox, ntndeacon, DanGarion and Raven explored the heat source and may be affected because of it. We need to monitor how they react. Could there be contamination on all of them because of it? Offense may be worthwhile to explore the heat source in the future and not suffer the side affects.

The police force currently has ???

Thomkal needs to appoint a member to the medical team.

Action (upgrade biodome (3 resources needed for upgrade), explore flatlands, explore unknown landing site, explore heat source, try to enter the original pod to get to the communicator, try to heal a player)

Ok fellas... here are my thoughts. Everyone is able to choose what they want to do today. Without a leader I am of the opinion that we need someone to coordinate all of this mess otherwise we will continue to trip over our own dicks. I do not necessarily want to be leader because of my novice skills at this but I fear without someone to coordinate this we are sitting ducks for the remaining wolf(ves) and murderer. We can continue to choose our own paths individually and die one by one or become united. We are not at the end game because EF would have stated so. Here are my thoughts on how we get through today. Please note that this is open for discussion and is by no means a call to create a dictatorship.

NEED MEDICAL CARE, UNABLE TO ACT TODAY
Suicane - PHYSICAL (GOOD), retired politician with history of public service, forced out due to bribery???
thomkal (LEADER) – SOCIAL (GREAT), PHYSICAL (GREAT), MEDICAL (LOW), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), SCIENTIFIC (BELOW AVERAGE)retired Army general. primary concerns safety, questionable resignation.


IN PRISON, UNABLE TO ACT TODAY
GoldenEagle – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GREAT)computer programmer, proposes deep analysis for scientific purposes


MEDICAL TEAM (TIMMAE'S RECOMMENDATIONS, APPOINT NTN, HAVE HIM AND NARC HELP HEAL THOMKAL, LEAVE SUICANE HURT UNTIL WE VALIDATE HIS ALLEGIANCE)
Narcizo – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (OK), MEDICAL (OK) PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE) chemist. bit of experience running small scale facility, drug dealer?
ntndeacon – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (BAD) EMT, but not a doctor


POLICE FORCE (TIMMAE'S RECOMMENDATION, ULTIMATELY UP TO THOM TO APPOINT)
shoveler - PHYSICAL (GREAT)Construction, mafia hitman


WORKERS
I WANT TO CHOOSE TO UPGRADE THE BIODOME IN ORDER TO GET AHEAD ON THIS. I TRUST GROVER AND JACK, WHO ALSO ARE GOOD AT ENGINEERING SO I WOULD LIKE YOU GUYS TO HELP IF YOU AGREE, THIS TASK NEEDS 3 RESOURCES
timmae (PRIMARY SCIENTIST) – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GOOD), PHYSICAL (AWFUL) studied science his whole life, "engineering type", blogger, charged with identity theft
Grover (PRIMARY ENGINEER) – ENGINEERING (GOOD), SCIENTIFIC(GOOD), PHYSICAL (AVERAGE), SOCIAL (AVERAGE), MEDICAL (AWFUL) 2 yrs as engineer on ISS. prof. astronaut, enginer and scientist by trade. leader of ISS mission. has lived in space
TheJackal – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE) MIT Prof of Engineering


REMAINDER, CF, DG AND RAVEN COULD BE AFFECTED DUE TO HEAT SOURCE EXPOSURE, I RECOMMEND EXPLORE FLATLANDS TO LIMIT ADDITIONAL DAMAGE
Crimsonfox – SOCIAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD) , SCIENTIFIC (BELOW AVERAGE) , automechanic,
DanGarion – SOCIAL (GREAT) PHYSICAL (GOOD) MEDICAL (BELOW AVERAGE), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), SCIENTIFIC (AWFUL) lead large group of succ. people. "well liked", Democratic
Zinto - SOCIAL (GREAT), CEO
Raven – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD) farmer. strong science background.
SharkN20, SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), PHYSICAL (AWFUL), professional gamer that used my life to develop your skills, insurance fraud

Interesting to see what occurs over the next 30 real life hours. I want everyone's help in deciding how to get through this and have the Resistance (I think this is the villagers role, if not please don't take my lack of understanding to mean I am on the wolves/Seeker of Truth side) come out on top.

Do we need to appoint a new Primary Doctor? If so, NTN may be the best choice. I need more discussion to understand who is the right one for this role though.

Ok, that was quite a list of my posts in a row there. This allowed me to help for m my thoughts... no other hidden motive here. Discuss.

Vote Shoveler

For me the Mafia man could be the original Wolf... See how it goes...

I would like to explore the flatlands despite my lack of strength, hopefully somebody with good physical attributes wants to go! I won´t vote unless more peopple wants to come as well, however

Leave me hurt? lol. I'm actually not that bad off and I'd much rather whatever medical help is need go to Thom and whoever else needs it.

sorry about that suicane... bedside manner is not my strong suit, lol! Please provide additional input across the board... not sure where we need to go from this point forward...

I am pretty sure that Iam the last of the original folks that had a great medical score. So there really can't be another choice for primary doctor at this point.