I see Sasha has become the TV version of the comic version of Andrea...

Carol is just badass. She just does what needs to be done. Hands down my favorite character, along with Michonne & Daryl.

I did find it funny that Adam? (the gay dude) told Daryl that "Rick isnt good at spotting good people from bad". Yeah pretty much the story of Rick.

Looking forward to the group kicking some ass at some point soon. Emphasis on soon as I dont want to sit thru 5 episodes of smalltown life.

I was wondering if the Zombies with the W is really an M. Isn't the lady Governor's last name Monroe?

Also, not feeling the same vibe many of you get with the Carol vs Kid scene. I thought it was lacking any real feeling of scary. Carol just lacks the tough creepy factor. Plus in real life, the kid would just go tell his Mom. Kid' are just like that.

Well, he might go tell & we might end up having some sort of squabble over it. But I thought it was still kind of cool to see Carol once again rise to the level of whats needed to handle a situation.

What the hell did the guy say to Glen right before he got eaten?

"Don't let go."

TD discussion afterwards got into a lot about whether that was literal & in the moment or if it was more symbolic, meaning don't let go of hope/yourself/the future.

I think he meant the guy who got impaled earlier in the episode. I couldn't figure it out either.

Oh. F'n duh me.

Turns out I misunderstood that whole spiel myself, once I found a recap that had the quotes. So I'd have been wrong even if I had been right.

details from people.com of all places

I liked this episode a lot, I like where this is heading for the finale!

The last three have been really good. Darryl out alone with ole dude. Four graves. Hopefully Carol can get Rick in normal Rick mode instead of creepy Rick. Carl about to get some action too. Good thing the spin off is on the horizon. Hoping the W's on the walkers are M's. Morgan is going to be needed. Maybe has a stash of weapons to fight whoever took out Noah's family.

The group is coming back to normal. Maggie will go off on Preacher. What's that about? He'll get left behind.

I'm not a comic book reader, so maybe this goes differently there. And going through what Morgan goes through can certainly change a man. But the character they have built for Morgan in the show doesn't strike me as the mysterious dead zombie forehead carving type.

Neither am I, but he seemed to be following the carvings Gareth's group or whoever left them in the trees. He wasn't in the best mind state when Rick last saw him either. He has the map, which was leading to D.C.

I'm also thinking Boss lady has Alzheimer's or something. The husband his coaching her. Take a look. She doesn't know what to think when the Rev show's up. Also, may explain why the need for the video interviews. Caught it when the foreman resigns.

it was a pretty interesting episode, although the very last scene ("I think he's beating his wife, so the only option we have is to kill him") was pretty dumb. There are, of course, all sorts of ways they could handle that situation without resorting to murder.

I found that scene ok because of Carol's past with an abusive husband, and her willingness to adapt and to be much more harsh given the way the world is now after the apocalypse. Basically, to me Carol is the most developed character on the show (maybe the only truly well-written character, though I'd allow arguments for Rick and Daryl), and I felt her statement fit her character well enough for it not to feel like a poorly written plot device to force confrontation at the end of the season.

I wonder if either Carol, or the kid now knowing where the guns are, will kill the dad and leave Rick with a moral dilema.

I feel fairly strongly that all of Rick's interactions with the wife that we've been shown will trump everything else and he's going to do it, and that will be a big part of the breakdown between Rick's people and the rest of the community that seems to be coming.

Carol doing it could work, depending on how its done, but I worry about it feeling too much like straight up revenge for her own husband and having it come across poorly/hokey. The kid doing it with a gun that Carol stole would be GLORIOUS and I am now actively rooting for that outcome :D

But overall I feel like they're foreshadowing Rick doing it *really* strongly and this hasn't exactly been a show that's thrown us many curveballs when it does things like that I don't think.

I shared this with a friend last night at work, so I figure I might as well throw it out here, too. As I note above, I am not a comic book reader, so I have no pre-supposed ideas feeding this.

My theory on how the next two episodes will go is that Gabriel's "admission" and Aiden's death, and eventually, a confrontation between Rick and Pete (not a fatal one) and the discovery of Carol stealing guns will lead to a real schism between Rick's group and the rest of Alexandria. Rick and company will be on the verge of initiating the takeover Rick suggested a couple episodes back.

Just when they are about to go at it (a fight I would not expect to go well for the Alexandrians), I think a third group, the group doing the "W" zombie carving and the ones who attacked Noah's hometown, will assault Alexandria. Somehow, the young girl will have a connection to them, although I doubt it will be willing. I think that group will be more people than Alexandria and Rick's group combined.

Rick's group will be the primary ones fighting this group from the walls of Alexandria, forcing the two groups to work together. And people will die, of course. Probably at least 2-3 of Rick's group, including a major character. And I presume Pete will die somehow in this fight.

And the last episode will end with either the conclusion of the battle or a cliffhanger set up within that battle.

That all is just a guess.

I'd say you're doing alright.

Not perfect, but alright.

Maybe. Sorta.

:)

Yeah, killing him is clearly the only sane outcome when he's your only doctor. Or, he could just move across town or something.

If anyone other than Carol had said it, I would agree. But given her history with domestic abuse and her character arc throughout the show, it makes perfect sense.

Still, killing the doctor because he's beating his wife does seem to be quite excessive. I mean, he's a doctor. There are very few of them left. Move her and the kids out of the house, don't let him near them, etc. Heck, doctor >>>>>> hairdresser/owl sculptress. So, kick her out!

How many people live in this town? 20, 50, 1000? Would be nice if they could spring for enough extras or provide these details.

When does the second Walking Dead series debut?

from moviepilot.com a few days ago

No commentary on last night's show? Obviously sets up the finale, but an interesting one, nonetheless.

I thought it was pretty intense.

I am down with your theory as to how this shakes out.

The Carl/Enid thing didn't do much for me.

I really enjoyed the Sasha/Michonne/Rosita scenes. Some interesting dynamics at play there.

Glenn was fantastic and Nicholas is a turd.

Rick is crazy intense and really not all that suitable for domestic living at the moment. Michonne was right to knock him out. He was a bit off the handle.

Very much looking forward to the finale.

Yeah, they showed the "W" stuff pretty prominently in this one, and then there was also the Daryl and Aaron scene in the woods. Something is definitely about to go down with that. No way they have been teasing that as a storyline for next season.

I agree, Michonne was correct to knock Rick out. I still tend to agree with his thinking about what it takes to live in this world, but he is just awful at delivering the message. No subtlety or nuance.

I actually liked the Enid and Carl scenes, but I didn't get the sense from my "theory" that she is involved with the mystery group I presume is out there. Apparently, she is just a free spirit with a damaged past, like Carl.

I suspect Rick will be thrown out of Alexandria (or at least voted out/announced exile by Deanna), and some of his old group will consider leaving with him, probably Sasha, maybe Daryl, and Carl, although Rick will try to talk Carl into staying and keeping Judith and living with Carol (would be my guess).

And then he will either actually be exiled and leave but then somehow play a role in the coming attack (Rick comes back to save the day, etc.) or he will be just about to be shoved out the door when the attack comes.

Regardless, it should be an exciting ending.

I'm confused. I assumed they were killing people and carving the W in their head's. Not carving up zombies. Right?

Also it's 90 minutes next week.

I am going to be in Jamaica starting Sunday, is there a way to watch episodes online? I doubt the resort will have AMC

I've watched them on Amazon for $1.99 an episode.

You would be surprised. I went to Jamaica like 10 years ago and couldn't even find the NCAA tournament on tv but last summer they basically had a cable package exactly like we have at home. Not saying you would want to have to carve out that particular time to watch but they might have AMC.

You're probably right, but fact is we don't really know.

You can stream live on the AMC website if you have a cable/sat account to login with.

agreed that it would be dumb to capture a walker, carved a W in its forehead and then set it free? Right? Even Herschel ain't that dumb.

My theory is that this is a scare tactic from this other theoretical group. Or a warning.

Obviously if they're normal, they're just killing zombies they run into. But clearly these aren't normal people doing this.

The girl who was tied to the tree had a W carved in her forehead? If so, she had just turned so it would seem to me that they are just doing it to humans.

Also, I thought Rick would have been a better fighter by now. Shane would have dropped that dude with one punch.

Good point.

Did anyone watch Talking Dead? The sneak peek for next week was awesome. Much better than they usually give out there.

My guess - and it's strictly a guess since I don't know if the carving is/isn't source canon - is that it's a way of illustrating their reach/power/impact to other human groups.

A sort of "you know all those W walkers? Yeah, those are us, and every single one is a person that we killed"

Its funny, I mentioned to my wife...how is it that Rick has trouble with average guys yet put an absolute beat down on Tyrese, a man I would expect to completely pulverize Rick?

:confused: Pete's like 6'4" and has a history of violence :confused:

Pete is also "just a doctor" who beats up on his wife & has stayed reasonably secure & domesticated in the apocalypse. It isn't clear, nor suggested, that he has had to engage in any physical altercations.

Rick is a former deputy, with at minimum basic hand to hand training & likely experience, who has killed lots of men by now & turned completely feral for a period of time.

I would have expected Rick to have assessed how best to take Pete down & destroy him by now. IDK...maybe its just me but I give the edge on somebody that is a fighter any day over somebody who is "just kinda tall".

Maybe Pete took karate lessons or had krav maga training or did MMA fighting on the side?

Also, let's face it fellas, guys named "Pete" tend be, like, 100x's more bad ass in general than pretty much anyone else. That's not me talking. That's science. So, I find it totally believable that, even if he didn't have any kind of former hand-to-hand training and was just a regular ole surgeon maned "Pete", that he'd be more than a handful for Crazy Rick "Throat Biter" Grimes.

I always thought people named Pete were big old dopes.

Well, you would be wrong. It's dairy farmers who are big old dopes. Dairy. Farmers.

My cat's named Pete. He's a total badass.

does he have groovy buttons?

I'm not denying that :)

Nope...Capoeira cannot be counted towards his street fighter rating.

I must admit this flew over my head. But the bar's not high there, yuk yuk ...

All righty then.

Dola, that has to be a record for the most ever major characters to be set up to possibly die..
and yet not.

but it shows they can have a tense episode without having to kill people off

Agreed. It just seemed funny to see so many scenes like that.

So it didn't play out quite as we expected, but it definitely put a lot on the plate to deal with in Season Six.

I am surprised we didn't get more on the W people (although what we got is definitely intriguing).

Given the expectation that someone from the main group die in a season finale, I enjoyed the fact that they had a ton of people in serious trouble that all get out of it, as a general thing.

I really didn't like the way they handled Glenn though, that's the only thing I had a huge problem with in the episode. Majorly injured, left for dead, no way out, next we see of him he's jumping out of the woods at seemingly full strength. Meh. I'd rather they not do that shit.

Overall though, good finale. Carol's playing weak for the crowd while in reality being the strongest and most ruthless member of the group remains my favorite part of the show right now. I love Carol. I'm really happy Morgan made it finally, and hopefully he's part of the main cast now. I guess that means Gabriel won't be around long though, quotas, etc ;)

There have been a lot of mentions about how Michonne doesn't need her sword anymore. I fully expected a key moment in the finale to involve Michonne saving Rick (or someone else) with it. Now I expect a key moment in next season's premiere, or maybe the second episode if the premiere ends up being mostly setup, to involve Michonne and her sword.

Didn't Pete kill the Perfesser with a sword? Not sure there are many of those laying around ...

you did catch the very last scene they tucked on after the credits, right?

There was a scene after the credits? Shoot, I missed that.

oshit. I did not.

I thought it was more like a stick with a really sharp end / blade attached.

But USAToday actually says THIS


Was THAT what Pete had?

Well damn I'm glad I mentioned it, because I did not make this connection at all either :D

What is the theory on the Wolves?

The scene at the end kind of contradicted the scene with Morgan. They were smart enough to set up that elaborate trap and have the technology to pull it off (apparently multiple times), but the guy at the beginning held him up without having ammo in his gun. Are they just chaotic and entertaining themselves? And why are there so many "W" walkers?

From the description while Morgan was talking with him, I thought it sounded like they were ostracized and being used to hunt.

Maybe I just didn't pay close enough attention.

I assumed it was Michonne's sword after he cut Reg's throat, but up to that point, it just looked like a stick to me. I would have to re-watch to see why it looked like a stick to me; I was surprised when Reg was suddenly dying.

I just read a review of last night's episode and Negan (or the lack of him) was specifically mentioned and is apparently linked to the Wolves in the comic. So I guess the Wolves is a precursor to that storyline and fabled badass (from my perspective, a non-comic book reader).

and at the very end, she goes to put the sword away on the mantle, but then changes her mind, puts on the old-school Michonne face and keeps the sword on her.

Is that the post credit scene?

I remember Michonne doing the sword on the wall thing a few episodes ago.

it was. I almost missed it but decided to stick around to see who was on the Talking Dead.

The priest is pretty much the worst character this show has had on in a while.

The Wolves=The Saviours most likely, right?

I guess Lennie James explained that his character was honking the horn to make sure there werent any walkers nearby. Something about him valuing human life, which is lame as hell and ruins an otherwise cool scene.

yes, I am just pretending that he interpreted it wrong

the 8+8 thing is always going to be a problem with this show. Really feel like the first half of the season was pretty light on content. Whereas they needed a few more episodes the 2nd half. I kinda feel like there isn't much story left. I'd be cool with a flash forward of a year or two at some point in order to do a full reset.

I also enjoyed it more by recording the first 4-5 and then only watching the last couple on same day.

Can someone explain where those W guys got the photos from? I feel like I missed a scene or something. Or is someone inside feeding them info?

Or did Daryl + Aaron drop a bag or something?

Dropped bag I'd assume.

Good finale overall.

* The Rickster did a good job of actually leveling with those people and explaining the real world. I almost like him now...almost.

* Loved the Morgan scenes. Thought he honked the horn to draw walkers to the car in order to buy himself some additional time when they wake up.

* Really enjoying the Darryl/Aaron(?) scenes. I like the dynamic of these 2 working together.

* Love Carol. She is awesome in every possible way. She is actually the mastermind but also not afraid to do the dirty work herself.

A couple of confusions/annoyances as well, unfortunately. These are par for TWD course for me anyway...but I still feel compelled to state them for some reason.

1. Pete "accidentally" kills Reg by slicing his throat? Come on...its just too dam convenient. And in front of everybody nonetheless just to provide visual evidence of what a dick he is. Happy to have the Pete dynamic over with but just a clumsy way to do it imho.

2. I don't "get" Gabriel's character at all. I mean that in the sense that I have no idea why he is doing anything that he does...most of which is asinine. Wtf is his motivation for leaving the gate open? Seems like another "too convenient" story angle since he had his talk with Deanna(?). Also have no idea what the walker scene was all about with him either...so he finally kills one but then cries about it. Ok, but then leaves the gate open for other walkers. I'm just not following this character at all.

3. As mentioned, Glenn's scene where he re-emerges just seemed a little too much. Glenn is a bad dude and all...but come on.


Overall, a nice setup for next season. Will be interesting to see the dynamic that Morgan brings.

Dola

I guess we are to assume that digital cameras don't work anymore? It's kinda a stretch. Also I get that everyone lives hand to mouth but stuff like Nextel could be fixable

That wasn't intentional, as far as I could tell. He was just sloppy, careless (in quite a literal sense).


That was a bit too Tyreese-goes-nuts-on-the-zombie-mob convenient. I wonder if the explanation/resolution of that got lost on the cutting room floor.

I don't feel like Gabriel is acting unrealistically, given the circumstances. He is obviously a man of faith that is questioning his beliefs. So much so, he apparently wishes to die, but is incapable of suicide (probably due to his beliefs). He tried with the walker outside and to goad Sasha into doing it for him. I think they have done a decent job of demonstrating that he is a coward and self-serving. I think leaving the gate open was just an act of fatigue and/or indifference..

Yep - Aaron left the bag in the car when they ran from it.

I was glad the way they cut that fence scene with Aaron/Daryl. We've seen enough dispatching a group of walkers scenes to last forever. The consistency of stuff is still a bit off. Maybe I assume that everyone alive is a killing machine but sometimes people get hung up on 1-3 walkers. Sometimes they can kill 15. Just a bit weird depending on what each scene is attempting to convey.

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that was terrific

Are we sure about that?

We never actually saw who Rick shot. Could be he shot Reg in the head so he wouldn't return.

Rick totally shot Pete.

Totally.

I bet they have no idea how it works.

Damn. Missed it as I finally was able to finish the finale.

I'll echo the sentiments about liking how nobody died off since everyone watching was fully anticipating it to happen.

I enjoyed it, though agree with the comments that parts were clumsily written. A couple of "too convenient" actions going on between Glenn and the abusive guy. But very much looking forward to next season.

That scene where Noah got killed was the roughest thing I have seen on this show. Just really well done but really hard to watch.

That's nice. I'm glad someone in Walking Dead found happiness ...

The Walking Dead's Norman Reedus, Costar Emily Kinney Are Dating - Us Weekly

Season 6 Trailer: October 11

Weird, I can't see the video because I'm in Ireland.

Fear The Walking Dead - August 23rd

Catching back up with the show. Just finished watching "The Grove" from season 4. It's always been a brutal show but holy crap did they turn that to 11. Figured the girl who lost her mind was going to do something messed up, but not that!

Yup, that was one of the most intense episodes for me. It was great.

Solid episode. I liked the black-and-white flashback and thought it was well done.

Is it murder if someone has been fatally bit and you kill him before he turns?

Who is blowing that horn!?!

Phenomenal job of building tension with a relatively simple creative device.
A true breath holder of an ep

Awesome episode. Some great character moments. Super tense. I even laughed a few times. So good to have it back!

I thought it was a very well done episode. Good to have it back.

My wife and I watched seasons 1-4 over the summer, and knocked out season 5 over the last two weeks once it was made available on Netflix. So we were able to watch last night live for the first time. Thought it was great.

Love the grand scale tonight, almost like a movie. Good start off to the season.

It was solid from the start to the beginning. It was super tense, it had a number of really strong character moments, and even a few laughs. Eugene about Heath "rocking a good hair game" and I loved the exchange between Father Gabriel and Rick:

Gabriel: "I'd like to help."

Rick: "No."

They are doing a good job of setting up the Rick/Morgan eventual conflict. They have been through the shit and come out on very different sides of things. Morgan understands Rick's way, but just doesn't agree with him. Morgan is looking really hard to find the good in Rick, but it's really not there. That scene with them on the porch when Morgan tried to imply that Rick didn't kill Carter because Rick was good and then Rick just said he didn't kill him because he knew he didn't have to, the world would take care of it for him. So cold. So very, very cold. I love the fact that they've made the lead, the nominal "hero" of the show, pretty fucking crazy and not really all that likable.

I liked how Abraham was so clearly affected by what happened to Reg and then Pete. That was brutal and it's good to have moments like that effect characters and not just be forgotten.

They were using really sound tactics.

There's probably a ton more to talk about, but it was super good.