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PurdueBrad 07-14-2009 09:50 AM

Good luck village, I hope that I helped some.

path12 07-14-2009 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana (Post 2072761)
wow...that is a powerful conversion mechanic....so if we started with 3 or 4, we could be looking at as many as 7 wolves.

anyone know off the top of their head how many nights there were 2 kills vs how many nights there was only one?

lets keep this ball rolling, so far the list has been 2 for 2

vote isiddiqui


If post #3 is correct it looks like:

Day 1 - 0
Day 2 - 2
Day 3 - 2
Day 4 - 1
Day 5 - 1

path12 07-14-2009 10:01 AM

Dola, but DT says there was an attempt on him somewhere in there as well, day 4 IIRC.

kingfc22 07-14-2009 10:13 AM

Vote ISiddiqui

Either him or EF are the remaining wolf/wolves.

EagleFan 07-14-2009 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 2072894)
Vote ISiddiqui

Either him or EF are the remaining wolf/wolves.


I guess you didn't read Thom's role closely?

I can now see that Thom was playing me, or testing me, by telling a different name for cunning. I have no doubt in my mind that person was a convert at least, his play has been perfect for that.

Lynch DT and I give you that name. There may be more but I don't know them for certain, though I suspect.

Schmidty 07-14-2009 10:44 AM

Checking in for like 3 minutes before I go to work.

DaddyTorgo 07-14-2009 11:52 AM

no. we look at the list first. all that matters is henry's verification as of that date. looking after that time period how many conversions could there have been - that's when we start to worry about converts

VOTE ISIDDIQUI

DaddyTorgo 07-14-2009 11:53 AM

first we lynch the rest of that list, then we worry about how many converts there could have been since then and who they would be.

EagleFan 07-14-2009 12:10 PM

Here's the plan everyone:

DT first, then I give you the remaining list and you win as well. It's a very easy plan to follow.

EagleFan 07-14-2009 12:12 PM

That plan has been verified and endorsed by the FDA, PETA, Homeland Security and has the expressed written consent of Major League Baseball.

path12 07-14-2009 12:16 PM

VOTE ISIDDQUI

saldana 07-14-2009 12:20 PM

EF, i think it is safe to say that there is no one that is going to help you lynch DT at this point...you can probably stop asking every 10 posts. :)

DaddyTorgo 07-14-2009 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana (Post 2073066)
EF, i think it is safe to say that there is no one that is going to help you lynch DT at this point...you can probably stop asking every 10 posts. :)


lol

isiddiqui, then EF, then we worry about how many people thomkal could have converted since henry's reveal

Chief Rum 07-14-2009 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana (Post 2072762)
how about waiting for the post game before making comments that involve how the game was played


Sorry, saldana. All of the particulars in that exchange were dead so I figured that was okay to comment. I'll cease and desist.

ISiddiqui 07-14-2009 12:40 PM

I think with EF's constant strangeness, he may be a wolf or converted into a wolf. Just seems bizarre behavior.

saldana 07-14-2009 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 2073079)
I think with EF's constant strangeness, he may be a wolf or converted into a wolf. Just seems bizarre behavior.


you would know, so why dont you just admit it....while you are at it, let us know if there are any other ones out there. besides the two of you

EagleFan 07-14-2009 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana (Post 2073126)
you would know, so why dont you just admit it....while you are at it, let us know if there are any other ones out there. besides the two of you


I'm not a wolf. Vote DT, make history and then get the full list from me.

Don't you want to make history? Don't you want to be able to say "I was in THAT game"? Don't you want to say "I was in THAT game and I DID IT!"?

Why just settle for plain vanilla when you can have a sundae with ALL the extras?

DaddyTorgo 07-14-2009 02:19 PM

lol

Poli 07-14-2009 02:43 PM

Spoiler

BrianD 07-14-2009 02:53 PM

Sorry I've been out so much today. I got a virus on my laptop and have been trying to clean it for the last 10 hours. Good times.

Since the discussion today didn't change much from yesterday (with the possibility of more wolves than we thought):

VOTE ISIDDQUI

kingfc22 07-14-2009 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianD (Post 2073224)
Sorry I've been out so much today. I got a virus on my laptop and have been trying to clean it for the last 10 hours. Good times.


It's the conspiracy!

ISiddiqui 07-14-2009 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana (Post 2073126)
you would know, so why dont you just admit it....while you are at it, let us know if there are any other ones out there. besides the two of you


Admit what? I'm a villager. The only thing I've done wrong is not have an easily testable power. I'm not the one who's decided to go all strange and attempted to lynch DT.

path12 07-14-2009 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 2073254)
Admit what? I'm a villager. The only thing I've done wrong is not have an easily testable power. I'm not the one who's decided to go all strange and attempted to lynch DT.



I know you're new to the game so I'll suggest that if you are good now would be a good time to reveal who you are and what your ability is. Otherwise you are going to be lynched.

You might be anyway, but there's no doubt at this point without a credible reveal.

ISiddiqui 07-14-2009 04:26 PM

Well, if that's the only way...

As I've told DT in a PM earlier, I'm James Heller. My ability is to be able to make any other person into a "Government Official" which allowed them to potentially gain some added benefits (I see one of the things that could have happened is some extra protection benefits).

path12 07-14-2009 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 2073293)
Well, if that's the only way...

As I've told DT in a PM earlier, I'm James Heller. My ability is to be able to make any other person into a "Government Official" which allowed them to potentially gain some added benefits (I see one of the things that could have happened is some extra protection benefits).


Have you used that power? Can anyone verify that you have, such as the person you used it on?

EagleFan 07-14-2009 04:52 PM

I volunteer for that power to be used on me. It can clear both IS and me and we can move on to the real threat.

DT has already spread a virus to one person in an attempt to keep him from voting. STOP the madness. VOTE DT!!!

EagleFan 07-14-2009 05:01 PM

It's WAY too quiet in here.

path12 07-14-2009 05:04 PM

Who do you think we should vote for, EF?

Schmidty 07-14-2009 05:05 PM

Well, this game is sure going out with a whimper. I good whimper, but still.

Vote ISiddiqui

Schmidty 07-14-2009 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12 (Post 2073315)
Who do you think we should vote for, EF?


Um, hmmmmm. I have a hunch. Could it be DT?

EagleFan 07-14-2009 05:06 PM

Might as well add some excitement...


EagleFan 07-14-2009 05:10 PM


ISiddiqui 07-14-2009 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12 (Post 2073296)
Have you used that power? Can anyone verify that you have, such as the person you used it on?


I've asked DT to specify who to use it on (remember the whole "it's not lethal" discussion). So no, kinda was waiting on DT.

path12 07-14-2009 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 2073329)
I've asked DT to specify who to use it on (remember the whole "it's not lethal" discussion). So no, kinda was waiting on DT.


Well, if it's non-lethal, try it on me.

I'd hurry though, I don't know how many more lynch votes it's going to take.

path12 07-14-2009 05:32 PM

Matter of fact:

UNVOTE ISIDDIQUI

Pending result.

ISiddiqui 07-14-2009 05:35 PM

I have been waiting for DT to give me the go-ahead on someone. I believe you are on the trust list, but if you don't mind, I'll wait for Jack Bauer's direction. :D

path12 07-14-2009 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 2073342)
I have been waiting for DT to give me the go-ahead on someone. I believe you are on the trust list, but if you don't mind, I'll wait for Jack Bauer's direction. :D


I've just proved I was the duke when I moved the vote to Autumn, the cunning wolf. If that doesn't have me on the trust list nothing does.

ISiddiqui 07-14-2009 05:38 PM

Oh, I believe you are most likely on the trust list. Of course with us finding out that the wolves had a conversion power, I want to be sure I use my power on who DT wants me too based on his knowledge.

path12 07-14-2009 05:41 PM

OK, but I'm sure you'll have to understand that if you're not willing to prove your power to someone on the trust list while you're on the block then the only reasonable conclusion I can come to is that you are bad.

VOTE ISIDDIQUI

path12 07-14-2009 05:43 PM

Dola, "on the trust list" should be revised to "who has just proved their power in thread".

I'm just assuming that cements me on the trust list.

ISiddiqui 07-14-2009 05:44 PM

Even after we've uncovered a convert ability? Who is to say that you weren't converted after you got Autumn? I don't think its being all that unreasonable to say I want DT to give me the guidance. If you think I'm being overly cautious, it is only because we KNOW that the wolves were able to convert.

path12 07-14-2009 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 2073349)
Even after we've uncovered a convert ability? Who is to say that you weren't converted after you got Autumn? I don't think its being all that unreasonable to say I want DT to give me the guidance. If you think I'm being overly cautious, it is only because we KNOW that the wolves were able to convert.


DT would have no better read on a possible convert than anyone else. And I am the last person to have demonstrated a power in thread. There was exactly one chance for me to be converted after that because after PurdueBrad was killed Thomkal was lynched immediately afterwards.

I was really just trying to give you a chance to prove your innocence in the best way I could think of.

ISiddiqui 07-14-2009 05:52 PM

As shown, on some nights the wolves have had two night kills. I think that means on the nights of one night kill, like when PB was killed, there is a very good chance that a conversion was done.

So, it is possible.

And DT may have other ways of finding out, such as the interrogation power he mentioned, but didn't use, yesterday. That could tell for sure, I'd imagine.

path12 07-14-2009 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 2073359)
As shown, on some nights the wolves have had two night kills. I think that means on the nights of one night kill, like when PB was killed, there is a very good chance that a conversion was done.

So, it is possible.

And DT may have other ways of finding out, such as the interrogation power he mentioned, but didn't use, yesterday. That could tell for sure, I'd imagine.


Very true.

You'll be lynched by then though.

ISiddiqui 07-14-2009 05:56 PM

It seems to me that everyone follows DT when he says something. So I want to be doubly sure and let DT do the picking. I don't want to take any chances of picking the wrong person or someone DT doesn't want to use my power on and have him put me over the top.

ISiddiqui 07-14-2009 05:58 PM

It does seem a bit strange to me that you pushed for me to reveal my power and then are pushing to have it be used on you. Like you've been assuming a DT like role in demanding info.

Maybe I should have been a bit more wary when you asked me to declare my power publicly. Especially after we found out about the wolves' conversion abilities.

path12 07-14-2009 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 2073369)
It does seem a bit strange to me that you pushed for me to reveal my power and then are pushing to have it be used on you. Like you've been assuming a DT like role in demanding info.

Maybe I should have been a bit more wary when you asked me to declare my power publicly. Especially after we found out about the wolves' conversion abilities.


:)

I hope you've enjoyed the game and try another. You've got the makings of a WW player with that one.

But to answer honestly, my power is used up so all I can do now is try to prove/disprove people in thread.

If you're good you're going to die without using your power and I'm as good a choice as anyone.

If you're bad then you really don't have a power to use and would likely try and come up with a reason for not having to demonstrate a power you don't have. By waiting for DT, for example.

So what this has done is tell me that the more likely reason is that you are a wolf. That's all this was for me.

Leaving for home. Be back later to see how it turns out.

DaddyTorgo 07-14-2009 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 2073305)
I volunteer for that power to be used on me. It can clear both IS and me and we can move on to the real threat.

DT has already spread a virus to one person in an attempt to keep him from voting. STOP the madness. VOTE DT!!!


nothing will clear EF in my mind

DaddyTorgo 07-14-2009 06:30 PM

you can use it on Path if you want ISiddiqui. he's right - i have no better read on who could have been converted at this point than him. i'm also not sure how it works, who it can be used on and such. go ahead and try it though

EagleFan 07-14-2009 06:31 PM

Is the site running slow for anyone else?

EagleFan 07-14-2009 06:32 PM

Use your power on me IS. I volunteer.

ISiddiqui 07-14-2009 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2073396)
you can use it on Path if you want ISiddiqui. he's right - i have no better read on who could have been converted at this point than him. i'm also not sure how it works, who it can be used on and such. go ahead and try it though


Ok, will do. I'll give the order to hoopsguy and barkeep.

DaddyTorgo 07-14-2009 07:09 PM

UNVOTE ISIDDIQUI

henry296 07-14-2009 07:14 PM

I'll wait to get some confirmation on ISiddiqui before voting.

ISiddiqui 07-14-2009 07:30 PM

While I'm waiting on hoops and barkeep to get back to me, I'm going to watch the All Star Game :). Be back in a few hours.

path12 07-14-2009 07:51 PM

Just got home. Nothin' yet.

DaddyTorgo 07-14-2009 08:00 PM

GM's haven't been around

path12 07-14-2009 08:05 PM

I've got my neighborhood block party bbq to go to in about 15 minutes. I'll check back a time or two but that'll probably run about 90 minutes or so.

In meantime,

UNVOTE ISIDDIQUI


Just in case, though I'm a bit skeptical at this point.

DaddyTorgo 07-14-2009 08:08 PM

me too

Poli 07-14-2009 09:20 PM

Beep, beep, beep, beep...

DaddyTorgo 07-14-2009 09:49 PM

*twiddling my thumbs* no GM's tonight hmM?

henry296 07-14-2009 09:59 PM

Not a single comment from NTN or Jackal today.

I'm going to cast my vote now as I'm pretty convinced.

vote Isiddiqui

ntndeacon 07-14-2009 10:21 PM

thats cuz I have been grading exams. the end of a semester sux.

ISiddiqui 07-14-2009 10:24 PM

Ok, All Star Game is over (damned AL! :mad: ), got a PM from the powers that be that my PM request has been received and all actions carried out. Not exactly sure what that means, but I guess we'll find out shortly. :)

EagleFan 07-14-2009 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry296 (Post 2073575)
Not a single comment from NTN


That's a surprise? :eek:

:devil:

Schmidty 07-14-2009 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 2073607)
That's a surprise? :eek:

:devil:


Ouch!!! People can change!!! I mean, look at me!!!

EagleFan 07-14-2009 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty (Post 2073615)
Ouch!!! People can change!!! I mean, look at me!!!


I can change... I can change...

path12 07-14-2009 10:35 PM

VOTE ISIDDIQUI

Nothin.

EagleFan 07-14-2009 10:42 PM

Do you want to go down in WW history as having played in THE game? Do you want to say you made THAT play? You know you want to. Vote DT.

DaddyTorgo 07-14-2009 10:44 PM

VOTE ISIDDIQUI

DaddyTorgo 07-14-2009 10:44 PM

i'm thinking after isiddiqui we vote ef?

DaddyTorgo 07-14-2009 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12 (Post 2073621)
VOTE ISIDDIQUI

Nothin.


figured that was the case. better safe than sorry though

EagleFan 07-14-2009 10:45 PM

If only I got a better roll of the die that evening we wouldn't even have to be having this discussion.

ISiddiqui 07-14-2009 10:46 PM

Hey, I can only tell you what I was sent. Not sure how the power actually works.

henry296 07-14-2009 10:47 PM

EagleFan, which evening?

DaddyTorgo 07-14-2009 10:48 PM

be that as it may isiddiqui - it's time for you to die

EagleFan 07-14-2009 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry296 (Post 2073639)
EagleFan, which evening?


The evening I took my one shot at Jack. Thought it wouldn't work but took the chance at getting my win condition since I couldn't talk Thom into getting the wolves to. After that Thom started telling me more, I guess it earned my trust.

ISiddiqui 07-14-2009 10:51 PM

If it's time, then it's time. But I know that sometimes you'll sacrifice a villager in order to find out more information. I don't think my death will help y'all much. You'll just move down the line randomly, while the wolves with their converts can hide behind the trusted labels.

EagleFan 07-14-2009 10:54 PM

I wil give you guys the names you need to win too but the village doesn't seem to want that slam dunk win.

EagleFan 07-14-2009 11:05 PM

Since we've gotten slow again...


henry296 07-14-2009 11:07 PM

EF - Did you attack Jack the night he was wounded?

EagleFan 07-14-2009 11:09 PM

Yep

EagleFan 07-14-2009 11:09 PM

One of my favorites...


path12 07-14-2009 11:12 PM

As a Seahawk fan I could watch that all day.

EagleFan 07-14-2009 11:14 PM

or there is...


DaddyTorgo 07-14-2009 11:16 PM

really - i don't think i'd believe anything EF said right now. he's clearly just trying to cause chaos

henry296 07-14-2009 11:19 PM

Up to 60%, hopefully we get a lynch in the morning.

henry296 07-14-2009 11:19 PM

hi Jackal - care to make it 70%?

EagleFan 07-14-2009 11:20 PM

A gift for DT.


path12 07-14-2009 11:20 PM

Who still has to vote?

path12 07-14-2009 11:21 PM

Jackal, why haven't you voted?

henry296 07-14-2009 11:22 PM

There was no night kill after Autumn's death, could we've had a conversion then?

henry296 07-14-2009 11:22 PM

ntn has voted either.

henry296 07-14-2009 11:23 PM

that should be hasn't voted for ntn

path12 07-14-2009 11:33 PM

Hmm. ntn was around yesterday if I remember. Maybe he'll be here later.

Can't help but wonder why someone wouldn't vote, especially after the discussion about trying to get through the uncleared list.

I wonder if there is some sort of time issue involved here for the wolves? They're trying to wait it out until some specified time? ntn came up big early, he'd be a target for conversion. Jackal not so much since he's been under the gun a bunch.

If what we're talking about is a bioweapon then maybe there is a deadline.

ISiddiqui 07-14-2009 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry296 (Post 2073691)
There was no night kill after Autumn's death, could we've had a conversion then?


I'm guessing that since the wolves have had 2 kills on multiple evenings that any evening without a multiple kill has a great chance of being a conversion evening.

EagleFan 07-14-2009 11:39 PM

Everybody's talkin' bout
henry's list, jack's list, good list, bad list
this list, that list, list list ism
all we are saying is vote for DT
all we are saying is vote for DT

C'mon
Everybody's talkin bout
cunning wolves, traitor wolves, converted wolves
which guy, this guy, that guy, bye bye
all we are saying is vote for DT
all we are saying is vote for DT

Let me tell ya now
Everybody's talkin' bout
revolution, convolution, idea polution, inclination
substitution, this a lution, that alution, any lution
all we are saying is vote for DT
all we are saying is vote for DT

Everybody's talkin' bout
EagleFan and DT, Chief Rum, Thomkal
henry, ntn, IS, PB, Danny
Autumn, Jackal, JAG, kingfc
Conspiracy, Heresy
All we are saying is vote for DT
All we are saying is vote for DT

All we are saying is vote for DT
All we are saying is vote for DT


All we are saying is vote for DT
All we are saying is vote for DT

DaddyTorgo 07-14-2009 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12 (Post 2073703)
Hmm. ntn was around yesterday if I remember. Maybe he'll be here later.

Can't help but wonder why someone wouldn't vote, especially after the discussion about trying to get through the uncleared list.

I wonder if there is some sort of time issue involved here for the wolves? They're trying to wait it out until some specified time? ntn came up big early, he'd be a target for conversion. Jackal not so much since he's been under the gun a bunch.

If what we're talking about is a bioweapon then maybe there is a deadline.


could be. good points about potential converts too

hoopsguy 07-15-2009 05:55 AM

Breakthrough! Codeword: Romano helps the Government identify the holding company that was used to develop the ebola weapon. From there, it is a pretty direct line to the last man in the Conspiracy chain - ISiddiqui. He has a canister of the virus and is heading to FedEx field to take in a football game.

Is this a well-executed plan? No, not really - it is an act of desperation by a man who is out of options. And he has even fewer after snipers take him out in a stand-off less than a mile from the stadium.

Quote:

As Victor Drazen you are the brutal wolf. You, or any member of the Conspiracy, must PM the Moderators before lynching or with-in five minutes of being lynched with the player to be lynched with you. As an alternative, if performing the kill you may kill a second person at the same time during the first three days of the game.


With the death of Victor Drazen, the Conspiracy is finished. The government forces have preserved their way of life for at least one more day.

hoopsguy 07-15-2009 06:02 AM

Here is a list of the remaining roles in the game:

DT -
Quote:

You are Jack Bauer. You are, without a doubt, one badass. People have tried to kill you and that hasn't worked out so well for them, so you will live through the first night attempt on your life. You also have the ability to torture someone once every 72 hours. During the torture you will learn their role. That player will also lose the right to perform any action, including posting in the thread, voting, or PM'ing, for 36 hours after the torture. Your torture will be publicly revealed in the thread.
EF -
Quote:

You are Tony Almeida. You are a CTU agent, committed to protecting the country, but even more you are willing to break the rules in some circumstances, especially if they involve your wife, Michelle Dressler. In the first three days of the game you may choose to go undercover and make one of two choices. When you go undercover you may not post in the thread for 24 hours. You may choose to go undercover for the Government or for the Conspiracy. If choosing good, you will get a semi-random list of four players, at least one of who is a member of the Conspiracy. You may then choose one of these players to establish unlimited PMs with. If choosing the Conspiracy, you will be able to establish unlimited PMs with one member of the Conspiracy.
Path -
Quote:

You are President David Palmer. In this game you are a duke, but a duke with authority. As duke you may choose to change the player to be lynched once per game. If the player who is killed due to your duking is a member of the Conspiracy you will keep your ability to duke again. In order to exercise this power you must PM the moderators either before the lynch of with-in 5 minutes of the lynching, remembering that there is no fixed lynching deadline. Conditional orders are accepted (i.e. If Hoops is to be lynched, lynch Barkeep instead). Upon lynching, a brutal wolf will not be able to kill you, though you may still be killed at night. If you are the last villager left with just one wolf you will kill the wolf and win the game for the government.

Jackal -
Quote:

You are George Mason, a political survivor. You may make yourself immune to lynching for 12 hours once per game. The activation of this power must be done prior to your lynching and will be used even if you're not lynched. You have some sympathetic leanings towards the Conspiracy. Had conditions been different, perhaps you might have joined their side?Saldana - You are Ryan Chappell, a hardass from division. Once per 24 hours or lynching, whichever is greater, you can order a CTU agent or Computer Expert to move their vote by PMing the Moderators. The vote move will not be made publicly, but will be reflected in the final totals.
Schmidty -
Quote:

You are Audrey Raines, Department of Defense liaison to CTU. Once every 36 hours you can name a specific time to intercept a PM. This time must be at least four hours in the future. You then recieve selected excerpts from the next communication PM the moderators recieve after that time.
NTN -
Quote:

You are Chase Edmunds, a hotheaded agent. Your skills and demeanor allow you to kill a player once during the game. If the target is Kim Bauer or Ryan Chappell the attack will not work, but you will learn the identity of the player.

BrianD -
Quote:

You are Morris O'Brian, a codebreaker. Once every 72 hours you may designate a player who will have the ability to either recover an an action in half the time it would normally take or allow the player to extend their ability for twice the time it would normally take (which will be done will be decided by the moderators). As an example if Hoopsguy could block an attack every 24 hours for 12 hours, you would either allow him to block another attack in 12 hours or to have his block last for 24 hours.


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