It would have to be a great deal for Halladay for me to not hate J.P.

You all like your Canadian players in Canada? The Brewers have plenty of Canadians in the system including two pretty good prospects (Brett Lawrie could probably be called almost blue chip). Taylor Green also being a pretty darn good 3rd base prospect.

I'm guessing any talks would have to start with Alcides Escobar, as much as that makes me cringe. I'd rather send JJ Hardy, but 6 years of Escobar is probably more valuable than 1.5 years of JJ Hardy

Fielder will soon be overpriced and should be traded, but now is probably not the right time to do it.

He signed a two year contract before the season that is pretty reasonable. He'll have one year of arbitration left after this contract is up. No big hurry there. Now is definitely not the time.

Not quite. Sometimes teams will have different "pools" of a couple players, and depending on the performance or games played/started of Freel in this case, that team would get the option of picking between a different level of prospect.

It is doubtful that Freel's performance will matter, but if he ends up being a starter for the rest of the year it could be along the lines of a B-/C+ prospect instead of complete filler.

they said on sports center that the price is "total of 5-6 prospects including the top 2 in your system, one of whom is preferably a pitcher that Toronto could control for several more years."

with $22m due to him before the end of next year that's a steep price and i don't think he gets dealt

Dear JP:

Fuck you.

There's no way.

Teams value their prospects way to much to see a deal like that happen. I can see 3-4 prospects with one of them being an elite prospect happening, but that's about it. People as stupid as Bill Bavasi are rare and its even more rare that their team actually has prospects worth trading. JP should just ask for eleventy billion dollars.

And the winner of the "Martin Gramatica Celebration" Award goes to.......
 

Ryan Demspter

Chicago Cubs send Ryan Dempster to 15-day disabled list - ESPN Chicago

that was my thought too, but it was whoever sportscenter's big baseball guy is (might have been olney, maybe one of the others...was only half-listening to the intro bit). and it was "word out of toronto is..." so it's not like that was just hypothesizing

Seems like the Sox would be a good fit. Dice-K sucks, Smoltz sucks, Wakefield is average, and if they're going to let Bucholz rot in AAA, they might as well package him with a few others to get Halladay.

Gotta love asking your hottest hitter to sac bunt.

Oh wait. No, you don't gotta love that at all.

At least they gave Vazquez enough run support tonight.

That's Dusty for you.

I really don't think the Halladay thing is that much news. Unless they do a deal that suggests otherwise, they aren't trading Halladay unless they get half a farm system in return. So yeah, they would listen to offers and consider trading him, but only if you pay such a steep price that JP would be stupid NOT to take it. There are probably a half-dozen REAL untouchables in MLB right now that the same thing JP said today would not apply to, no matter the offer. Everyone else is available for a price, even if that price is ridiculously and prohibitively high.

That leads me to the question, who are the absolute untouchables in baseball today?

Pujols is obviously #1 on the list. Tim Linecum is probably on that list. Justin Morneau (after signing his new deal) is probably on that list. Miguel Cabrera is probably on that list. Dustin Pedroia is probably on that list.

I am having a hard time off the top of my head trying to think who is absolutely untouchable.

Mauer?

I seriously doubt the Wilpons would let David Wright go for anything, including Pujols.

I think the list is:

1. Pujols
2. Lincecum
3. Jeter/Mariano (not in terms of value - in terms of the Yankees actually trading him)
4. Wright
5. Dan Haren (The D-Backs have him signed cheaply for 6 years; not going to happen)

Mauer-connection to region, position, skill level

Obviously Toronto needs to hold out for value, but I can't see them getting that much in return for 16 months of a guy.

Ryan Braun is untouchable unless another untouchable is had in return.

Yeah, young guys - especially pitchers - locked into good deals are probably untouchable. I'd definitely add Longoria to the list.

Yea I knew I forgot a few. I would say there are probably 10 to 12 truly untouchables.

I know it wouldn't happen - because it would look like a salary dump and no team would be stupid enough to do it - but if the Jays are really intent on trading Halladay and can't find anyone to give them the top-shelf talent they want, why not try packaging him with Vernon Wells? I can't believe the ridiculousness of the contract they gave him. It's basically structured like an NFL contract (goes from like $12M in 2010 to $23M in 2011), except they can't just cut him and not pay. Getting out from underneath that contract might be worth more than several guys who, if they become stars early on, are going to need to be paid at the same time Wells is going to be taking up around $20-$23M of salary for 4 straight years.

I doubt they could sell it to fans, and no team would do it, but I'd consider at least floating the idea if teams aren't willing to give up what they want.

I think this is the main part. I can't really think of a team, possibly excluding the Yankees, who would consider this.

Lawrie can rake.

He looked a bit shaky with the glove when I saw him against the Timber Rattlers a week or two ago, though. He made...what was it, three errors?

In a game where his starting pitcher took a no-hitter into the 7th or 8th inning, and the Rattlers rallied for a 9th inning victory.

Did you happen to see Wily Peralta pitch? He's going to be a good pitcher.

I think Halladay is a good enough pitcher that you could still get a great package for him a year from now as a rental, and it will probably be only slightly worse than what you get for him today with 1.5 years on his deal. We all know Toronto isn't getting six guys back for him. Maybe today they can net one A+ prospect, an A- prospect, and 2 Bs...but next year they can probably get that one A+ guy plus the 2 Bs.

If I'm Toronto and have to deal with my fanbase, that one extra really good prospect is worth taking one last shot with Halladay at the helm in 2010 plus not alienating my revenue stream.

So I am sure a lot of you know that Magglio Ordonez sucks this season and has benchmarks in his contract that make him 18 mil next year. They are 135 games played or 560 AB (I believe that's the #)

At one point Magglio was benched for a few days to clear his head which Boras was pissed about, and now, Magglio is being platooned, only playing vs lefties. He has at I believe 250 - 260 AB right now, but if he plays just vs lefties for even a month he is probably not going to hit his triggers, and hell, even then if he is close he still will probably be cut by August if he isn't producing.

Anyway, except some drama from Detroit in the coming months. This is gonna be a fun, fun ride with Boras and Leyland.

I think Detroit is smart; see if he can do anything at all before you cut him for good. If he picks it up and becomes a legit middle of the order player like he was last year, then fine, bite the bullet for next year if you can win the AL Central. If you can win the AL Central without him, then obviously you cut him loose, and if you're not going to win, it's a no brainer.

However it goes, it'll be ugly though.

Here's a trade, the Cardinals farm club for Halladay. :)

WS here we come baby!

I drool thinking of this rotation:

Carpenter
Halladay
Wainwright
Lohse
Piniero

Its nice to see that the knee injury didn't mess with Ollie's pin-point control.

So last year, (Ervin) Santana was naturally throwing in the mid-90s. This season, after his arm issues, he's throwing 92-93. Everyone's saying he's pitching great, no pain all the confidence. But he's getting smacked around...again! Look, don't BS a BSer, ya know? I don't want to see Ervin out there unless his fastball's hitting the speed it's supposed to be hitting--or someone at least acknowledge he's not the same pitcher right now that he was last year.

We really need to pursue these SP options that are out there. Lackey has been hit or miss, see above on Santana, Saunders has over a 5.00 ERA over the last two months, and Escobar is pretty much done for the season.

From what Will Carroll was saying in spring training its just a matter of time before he has to be shut down for Tommy John surgery. He's pitching through the same injury Liriano tried to pitch through (difference being his elbow gave out in the 1st start after rehab). It comes down to when the ligament gives out. I can only assume the Angels are doing it because of the other injury problems they've had this season because I'd rather have him healthy for a full season next year than give me a bad year this year (or however long he makes it) and then have to shut him down for most, if not all, of next season.

It sucks to see. He pitched lights out last season and looked like he was ready to be a cy young candidate for the next several years.

I'm actually wrong. It wasn't Lawrie I was thinking of. It was Josh Vitters I was describing above. Lawrie can rake, too, but he appears to be a better defender than Vitters.

Both of those guys are going to be good major league hitters.

Peralta started that game for Appleton, and yeah, he's incredible. He went pitch for pitch with Peoria's Christopher Archer for the first 3-4 innings. He ended up giving up two hits. Archer didn't allow any, as it turns out; the guy who gave up the first hit of the game was a reliever who came in in the 6th (but I think he gave up his first hit in the 7th).

The pirates have a similar drama with Freddy Sanchez. He's producing and is an all star. But he has an 8m vesting option with 600 plate appearences. 8m isn't horrible for a producing player, but you're talking pirate dollars and that's approx 14% of the payroll budget for the year.

I think it's pretty unavoidable he will trigger the option, which is unfortunate since they really would be better off spending that money on the draft and latin america.

11 wins for wakefield

Never has their been a better demonstration of how relatively meaningless wins are in determining how good a pitcher is. 4.31 ERA with 6.6(!) runs scored per game in support. Tip your hat to the Boston offense for 11 wins, not Tim Wakefield.

Then it's not similar. Ordonez sucks this year, and regardless of what Boras says, it is entirely appropriate for the Tigers to sit him. Actually, instead of platooning him and making him barely miss his incentives, they could just cut him and achieve the same thing, and there's not a thing Boras could do about it. He no longer hits for power and isn't that great in the OF. He's a sunk cost, and one you don't want to pay next year (when they'll still be paying Nate Robertson, Bonderman, and Dontrelle about $30M+, I think).

Well, to be fair, he did manage to scatter 10 hits in 6 innings while only allowing 3 runs. That's hard to do for a Boston pitcher not named Beckett these days :)

Or you can thank their ridiculous pen where the highest ERA is like 3.50 or something.

Awesome play by Daniel Murphy last night, even if the runner might have been safe. Maybe the best I've seen all season.

Yeah, that defensive play was top notch. I couldn't believe Murphy made that play.

LOL Andruw matched last year's HR total (and probably nearly matched his hit total!) in one game last night. LA really should have some sort of recourse against a guy who was that out of shape and completely shit the bed last year.

Andruw has a higher OPS than any other Braves starter.

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | LAD@NYM: Murphy makes a heads-up flip for the out - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

Warning, they inexplicably show Joe Torre running forever.

Lincecum making his final push to start the All-Star game tonight. So far so good.

Bah! No-hitter broken up in the top of the 7th.

Another yuck outing by Mike Gonzalez, with a walk, an HBP, and a pinch hit double by Garrett Atkins to give the Rockies an eventual 7-6 win over Atlanta, the Braves fourth loss in the last six games.

editing to revise stats from the AJC article "Gonzalez (3-2) has a 10.29 ERA and .308 opponents’ average in his past eight appearances, with eight hits, eight runs and four walks allowed in seven innings."

That was an annoying fucking inning, but he clearly had lost it right there.

Yep, once he gave up the hit it seemed like his focus was gone and the next thing you know the Pads put together a couple bloop hits and some walks for 3 runs.

The goddamn Padres are like the little kid in the division no one likes or cares about but keep annoying you; they need a rival, but the Giants and Dodgers have each other at least. San Diego? nothing.

They're still on the hook for most of that contract.

I wonder if they can give it to him in pennies?

Or better yet, McDonald's gift certificates?

Dear miked,

The jinx of the pen was appreciated.

Sincerely,
The Royals

My favorite story from yesterday (via Big League Stew):

Nationals 11, Astros 10 (11 inn. — completion of suspended game)
The first game passed through different dimensions. After a rain delay of 65 days and 1,400 miles, the Nationals took all of 7 minutes to beat the Astros in game one. Joel Hanrahan(notes) picked up the victory, even though he's on the Pirates now. Nyjer Morgan(notes) scored the winning run, even though he wasn't on the Nats when the game started, in D.C., on May 5.

I wonder if a guy in a similar situation has ever recorded a win against his own team?

I don't know, but Joel Youngblood got a hit in two different games for two different teams on the same day in the early 80s. He got traded after a day game and was able to make it to his new team's night game.

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I remember an odd fact from a baseball card or something about Tony Castillo on the Jays... I think he got a win or save against his former team when a postponed game was resumed.

I didn't see a mention of another 'oddity' that occurred this week involving Washington: Alan Embree picked up a victory for Colorado without throwing a pitch.

Washington Nationals vs. Colorado Rockies - Recap - July 07, 2009 - ESPN

Embree came on in relief with two outs in the 8th inning, then picked off Austin Kearns before throwing a pitch. Rockies score in the bottom of the 8th to allow Embree to pick up the victory.

Charlie Manual chooses Jayson Werth over Sandoval.

Glad you have your entire OF in the All-Star game now.:rant:

Good for Charlie

Neither deserve it over Sandoval, but especially Victorino.

Fuck you, Charlie Manuel, you dumb shit.

To the victors goes the spoils, right?

Who the hell cares about the All-Star Game anyway? I'm a huge baseball fan, and I'm not sure I'll even be watching.

Something to argue about.

:eek:

Wow.

This is really the only All-Star game worth watching. I care. I admit it.

BECAUSE THIS ONE MATTERS!

...or something like that

Heh, I love the outrage.

Charlie Manuel is a frigging ass. Is he going to select Carlos Ruiz next? Maybe Brad Lidge?

Ryan Howard on the team is a fucking joke as is; the most overrrated player in baseball (he ranks 12th amongst NL 1b in wOBA!). Perhaps he'd like to just send out the Phillies?

Don't give him any ideas.

I do wonder how many people complaining have actually looked at Jayson Werth's stats. As a Phillie fan I don't think Howard should be going (I understand it's his home town, etc.) but the other 24 Phillies are Kosher ;)

Mets trade Church for Francour ... K...?

Can't say I understand this at all. If Church stays healthy, he's a pretty solid hitter. Would've been nice to add another piece to the deal since Franceour will be gone after the season.

Or you know, since Franceour is pretty fucking terrible.

+1

Also gotta love the Mets trade :)

Link? I don't see it anywhere so I'm desperately wishing its super false.

MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

If its true I'm going to have a hard time facing my friends. I may have to lay low for a couple years.

They announced it on ESPN. Metsblog also has it.

Baltimore Sun


Those three doubles last night were just the start of his resurgance ;)

Seriously though I'm glad Atlanta got rid of this guy and to get a respectable major leaguer back in return is amazing.

Why would the Mets do this?

Crap :(

I want to hunt down and kill Minaya.

I know Manuel didn't like Church, but it still makes no sense. The team was too left-handed when everyone was healthy...not so much now. That's why I'm hoping a mid-range prospect was thrown in, otherwise Minaya is batshit insane.

Instead of suffering through a painful, injury filled season that just slowly deteriorates Minaya apparently thinks its best to just do the humane thing and put Mets fans out of the misery quickly.

It's pretty bad when Frank Wrens pwns you in a trade.

Straight up.

http://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets/statuses/2574427425

A real head-scratcher.

The obvious solution here is to fire Manuel. I've heard he doesn't care much for Reyes either so maybe Omar will trade him for Alex Rios.

If Manuel didn't like Church they should have gotten rid of Manuel.

Quick, someone pitch Kelly Johnson for Reyes to Minaya before he gets sober.

I've defended Omar up until this point. He's made made mistakes, but has done a decent job.

Now, I hope he's fired at the end of the year and they bring in someone smart enough to know that there isn't a player on the Mets 40 man roster that's worth trading for Francoeur.

I'm seriously sitting here dreading any of my friends signing onto MSN tonight.

Well, let's not make Church into something he's not (I know asking you to cut the hyperbole is impossible, but whatever). This trade is shit because Francoeur is shit, not because Church is a stud.

IMO Victorino is having a pretty good year, I think its all star worthy, juts not as much as sandoval.

I'm aware of why the trade is shit. I'm just saying they'd be a lot better off without Manuel.

Wow, a steal for the Braves. Get a shitty guy off the team and actually get a warm body back. One that doesn't incessantly bitch too.

The braves GM thought he was playing a baseball text sim after that trade.

I wonder how many people have looked at Pablo Sandoval's stats. The Panda was fucking robbed. Robbed, I say!

On another note, I can't believe the Braves were able to trade Francoeur for anyone remotely resembling a major leaguer. I also find it hilarious that the Royals, who were reportedly interested in Francoeur a while back, traded for someone who manages to get on base less than he does in Yuniesky Betancourt.

Yeah, regardless of Werth's value, Sandoval has been amazing this season.

I'm not at all convinced that the 2009 model of Church fits that description by much more than the narrowest of margins

That aside though, since someone wondered about any other pieces to the deal, the AJC says the Braves will send "some cash" to the Mets but no other players are involved.

I don't think people were that upset about the Victorino selection because it was the "fan vote". I can understand the upset over Werth being selected, but I don't really give a crap because I'm a Phillies fan. :D

lol at the Mets trade. Of course, I've just jinxed Amaro into doing something crazier or stupider (like signing Pedro).