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I really didn't get that part. |
Think the GOP could just, you know, sub Rudy in for McCain for public appearances between now & November?
Walked through the den & right into the middle of his barn burner. Solid gap power to go with some that cleared the fences while I was watching. |
He said when you use the word islamic terrorists you offend terrorists. John McCain didn't change his position on the surge to win an election, but didn't he change his position on other issues to appear more Republican?
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I really didn't hear many 9/11 references (I was worried he would use them a lot). |
I don't trust Rudi's wife just by looking at her.
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I thought his speech has been pretty much perfect.
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Mistress in the mayor's mansion ftfw |
It's not an accident to have say, Cindy McCain next to Bristol Palin to relieve her of baby holding duty. She's been toting that kid around by herself since this whole deal started. Not that it's unexpected in a big family, but..geez.
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I like how they keep showing Bristol's fiancee.
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Guess Rudy talked too long, so they jettisoned Lingle and just let the star have the show.
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Well at least "thank you" to Rudy go going too long for them to show the 15 minute educational video of Podunk, Alaska and its former mayor.
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Well it's gonna be hard for her to follow Rudy and get the climax of the night but she certainly can coast in now, great lead in by Rudy.
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Guiliani's speech was surprisingly negative. I think he had a lead pipe behind the podium, just in case he needed to ramp it up a notch.
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Are they gonna keep trotting the John S. McCain talk, so they can start calling Barack Hussein?
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Is it just me or has Palin lost some of her accent since her acceptance?
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And her accent is gonna win her some fans in Ordinarylandia.
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Lingle went before Rudy. |
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Based on Palin's kids' names, if we aquire any new states during a McCain term, I hope she doesn't get to name them.
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Snow....machine racer? WTF is that?
EDIT: Googled it. Snow mobiles. They call them "snow machines" in Alaska? |
Especially the special needs kid. Vote for her if you have a special needs kid because she has one too. When is she going to shutup about her family?
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Oh gotcha. |
I didn't watch Biden's speech - did he do all this "Here I am, this is my background/family" crap?
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Alaskans called snowmobiles snow machines. It's really funny the first time you hear it. It's so weird that even people in Wyoming go "what?" |
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Snowmobile racer. |
So you guys want to know who she is, with the leftist trying to dig up all the information on her, but then get mad that she goes on to explain it?
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she winged it on an adlib and hit a zinger, nice.
"you know the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull....Lipstick." |
Was that a party crasher they were taking out?
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Man. Going after Barry.
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That was a pretty good zinger. |
Yes, Ms. Palin, it's because you're not part of "Washington Elite" that people don't think you're qualified. Sheesh.
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Say what you want though...she's been preening for a moment like this and man, she's playing right into the hands of her audience. The left-wing nuts are gonna have to play this one with kid gloves and treat her like she's irrelevant or else, the folks that elected W are gonna ignore McCain to elect their female Reagan.
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Where ever he goes and whoever is listening, john mccain is the same man...?
I guess I didn't get that. |
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Not really - he spent maybe the first sixth or so on himself and then went onto policy stuff. But what else does she have to fill the time? Lame standup, I guess. SI |
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But everyone knows Biden. |
Did she just say she stuck it to Big Oil? Before or after her husband got all that dough?
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Actually, I think that one will probably resonate. |
Why do they keep knocking Obama's community work? Is this a good strategy to win over undecideds? She's a likeable person but I couldn't imagine her being President. She's doing a pretty good job though.
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Woopsies. They showed the prompt going across the screen on tv.. lol
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Vote Sarah! She's one of us!
Maybe this is just a setup for her '12 run with Bobby Jindal. Barack Obama = Jimmy Carter? |
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Because they don't even know what community organizers do. To them, it's like neighborhood watch. |
Can anyone make out what the crowd is cheering other than "USA"?
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It's a very effective speech for the goal of playing to the right. The moderates might be a bit more put off, tho. She's gotten off some really nice zingers and played the "I'm a down home mom" thing well but sheneeds to lay off it soon or look like someone who just rolled off the PTA.
Personally, I can't stand her, tho- sounds like a complete and total asshole (or bitch, if you prefer the gender term). SI |
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I wonder if that's a smart choice. I don't know what a "community organizer" does, but they probably have some sway over the community they "organize" and Palin might have offended them a bit with that line. |
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I understand that. However, isn't the media in control of the cameras? At least Flasch and you seem open to being non-bias on the speeches tonight, even though you seem to lean to the left. |
They gave her some good lines. Although I don't get the idea of "Obama is a good speaker, hence a bad choice."
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This is what needs to be cleared up. If a man sounds tough, he sounds great (like Rudi or Obama). However, if a woman sounds tough, she sounds like a bitch/asshole. |
I think her speech has been absolutely perfect. They recognize the audience, she's engaged, she self depricating, she's been poignant, been issue-centric, and had zingers and pulled them off. If Obama's speech was perfect for that same stuff, so has this been. She killed it tonight....and she's not done yet.
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I'm really interested in the numbers on moderates over the next couple of days. No doubt she's giving a barn burner for the base, but is it playing to moderates? I don't claim to know, but it certainly seems that she's more focused on the right than the middle. Not a bad line on career's to promote change. She's got rhetorical skills. |
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Exactly what I was wondering. It's a lot easier to get the captive audience targeted. I know Guiliani's rhetoric turned me off. Off topic: She just called the senate the "Do nothing senate." Erm... isn't that McCain's experience she just badmouthed? |
This is a really difficult task for the Republicans. They seem to have pivoted to a reform message, but they're largely arguing to reform Republican government. That's tough to make work.
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After her talking about McCain being tortured, I am wondering what her stance is on "enhanced interrogation techniques"...
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its certainly an interesting play that the RNC is trying to corner the market on change...I expected security but change I felt was clearly the DNC's forte (not Matt). We'll see if it sticks....
she just finished and I thought she was spot on tonight. Only one gripe...here at the end, theyre bringing out the family which is cool but I need them to say that the discussion of the pregnancy and the upcoming nuptuals (I heard the word fiancee today) is back on the table since theyve trotted her out in the tightest maternity dress made. |
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For your abstinence ads, just use Levi. Knock a girl up, and you become part of a presidential election and potentially the son-of-law of the United States VP.
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Is it me or does Levi looked pissed on stage. |
Levi looks like the most uncomfortable guy in the world.
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Levi looks good up there chewing gum. I hope he parlayed this into a powerful position in the McCain Administration.
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I got that sense all night. He's probably thinking, "What the hell did I get into"? |
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He looked okay earlier in the event, at least the two of them seem to look okay interacting with each other. The daughter is the one that looks uncomfortable. I mean, as if she doesn't has enough to deal with... |
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I agree flasch - if they're going to trot out the pregnant daughter and the baby-daddy all the time (and use them to try to garner votes) then they become fair-game
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what worse this national anthem or democrat cover band?
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This just showed me why I didn't watch 95% of the DNC and haven't watched any of the RNC until tonight. I am personally fed up with 'cheap shots' at the other side. This woman's speech had many in it. I am sure the others did as well, but hers was the only one I watched and by the middle of it I was thinking I would vote for Obama until I told myself that side was probably just as pathetic.
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No, no, 1000 times no. This isn't a man/woman thing. One, Obama is rarely "tough". It's just not his style or schtick. Two, if a guy had delivered her speech- he's either a party schill or a bully. Rudy was the latter tonight. But people have seen him and know him and many people have tired of him since they know he's a blowhard. No one is treading new ground by calling Rudy a bully. SI |
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Too tough to decide, kill 'em both. |
Yeah. Most elections have both sides moving to the middle. This one, it seems like the Republicans are spending their time reassuring their most willing supporters and not pulling in the middle. The Democrats did so as well, but MUCH less then the Repubs are
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not as bad as the country schtick here at the end however Im not a fan of country music to begin with but the pledge mixed with the star spangled banner and now the concert.....sheesh.
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And she infuriated CNN, the New York Times and FOFC, so obviously she knocked it out of the park. |
I do like how the kid they are forcing their teen daughter to marry there. That is classic and says "we want privacy" all over it.
Also, just to let out some personal venom....I have the assumption this woman has had very little to do with the care of that baby, and it will be even less if she becomes VP. Makes for a good photo to have it around on the campaign though. |
Wow... she definitely is a great speaker. I had heard stuff about it prior to this, but I hadn't realize just how good and confident she is up there. She was easily the best speaker of the night, and knowing what I know of McCain, probably the best speaker of the Convention.
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We could've predicted that BEFORE this happened. I mean, she could've sat up there and performed her routine from the Miss Alaska pageant and they'd have cheered just as much. |
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+1 That baby is a prop. Independent woman or not...all we have to go on is what we see and what we see, ain't good. |
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The media is the one who dug up about Bristol's pregnancy and her baby. The second line just hits the wrong nerve with me. |
she told the Lawyer vetting her last week and she's the one who said that they wanted to keep it a "private matter" and asked for respect. We do....but it's not fair to say that and then start accentuating it all. The 2 dont line up SO one needs to move to the other. they say that they understand it is in the public space now or they treat it like a private matter, then it's fine and my brain makes sense of it.
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It sounds like McCain is taking the exact same route of Hillary Clinton type attacks against Obama down the stretch. Well see if it works.
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Party/schill or bully is FAR more tame than bitch. Its the same tactics that the right went after with Hillary Clinton. A tough woman become a bitch. A tough man stands strong, etc. |
either perfect or poor timing but, troopergate movement that flies in the face of her not knowing about it all so me and Arles are right that this seems to have some legs:
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Maybe her speech was supposed to appeal to the base to solidify that vote and McCain's speech tomorrow will go after the moderates. But which narrative of McCain will be effective- Maverick, Independent, Reformer McCain or McSame is running for George Bush's 3rd term.
I say this because the GOP didn't really go after the #1 issue among independents tonight, the economy. They instead focused on attacking Obama for being a community organizer, drill baby drill, and islamofacists. |
She hit the taxes pretty hard, actually.
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If you like Obama and are a Democrat (in general), you won't like Palin (no matter how strong of a speaker she is) or McCain. Vice versa for McCain and Republicans on Obama/Biden. |
I usually make it a point not to vote for socialists with Marxist leanings...and usually those tend to graze on the Democrat side of the yard.
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I disagree completely. Party schill is tamer, to be sure. However, bully and bitch are two gender specific sides of the same coin. They're the same idea but apply to different genders. It's the same way people use the term asshole and bitch to describe the same people/actions, just with gender distinctions. SI |
There needs to be a corollary to Godwin's Law dealing with marxism.
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I thought she did a great job of delivering several "soundbyte" type of lines that will get a lot of play in the news. She came off way tougher than I would have imagined and pretty hawkish -- it will be interesting to see how it plays among undecideds. I think the Republican base is going to be fired up (and that has been enough in the past two elections), but I'm not sure if Palin is going to attract new voters very well.
She did mention "victory" in Iraq several times, so I would have liked to hear what that entails from her point of view. Also, agreed with the previous post about McCain's message. With the time advantage he had in winning his primary earlier than Obama, he has really had trouble figuring out a message to identify himself with. He has kind of floated ideas to see if they stick (the surge, the celebrity/elitist attack stuff, the off-shore drilling, experience), now it seems like he has settled on his biography, which I think is probably his best asset and best bet in the current climate. |
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Ok, just to point it out clearly since it may not be known since I don't post in this thread much....I am not voting Obama or McCain. I am independent, and will go third party since I don't like either side enough to vote for one of them. 1. Because the media digs something up that you want privacy about, you are going to turn a 180 and give them all they want? Including bringing the kid to the RNC? It doesn't show me they really want to keep it that private, and it does show me they are willing to use it to their advantage if they can. I am pretty sure the media didn't get him a flight out there. Though if they did I will stand corrected. And laugh because that would be funny. 2. Sorry that one rubs you wrong, but that is how I feel, and I would guess I am right about it. I can't see too much quality time set aside for baby while trying to campaign and be a governor at the same time. Of course the 'back to work three days after birth' kind of supports me on that one a little. |
I've said, and continue to believe the good mother stuff is way out of bounds. However, that article, if it's going to mention something as tame as Biden's "good looking" has to mention Limbaugh's "babe" or someone at the National Review talking about her as a dirty librarian. I don't think Biden meant it as a sexist attack, but even if he did there's lots of company among Palin supporters.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and forecast that Saturday Night Live will have a sketch about the Palins handing the baby off and/or losing track of him.
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I should add that I am interested in the dissonance between voting for her and holding a "woman's place is in the home" mindset that is held by a number of conservatives that will vote for her. Ideally, though, that doesn't slam her as a mother, but enlightens those that think a woman's role should be limited.
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Oh Hells Fucking No! Bitch is a FAR more of a strong word than bully. No one fucking cares about being called a bully. Being called a bitch is far, far worse. And women can easily be called a bully and have been. There is nothing gender specific about bully. |
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Oh, I agree. I was absolutely disgusted at all the "Hottest VP" buttons. WTF?! Shows that we as a society are no where where we need to be on gender issues. |
Dem talking heads are saying that the swipes at "community organizers" is going to be the next talking point for the Left and that they'll be able to boil it down to a street level about "you". I didnt think about it at the time but the speeches tonight were mocking of community events and involvement and now I think back to Obama's push for free education to those who spend time volunteering and can see that spin over the next week or so....i missed that though at the time.
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The only big mistake in the speech was the bridge to nowhere line. That's been thoroughly debunked and McCain/Palin need to drop it or they'll look stupid.
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Or better, depending upon your perspective. I've know quite a few women who, used in certain contexts, would have been very pleased with the description. Palin strikes me as one who would be pretty nonplussed by it when it comes from a strong performance. |
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