Vote AE for consul.

Vote Chief Rum for consul.

honestly I think it's a tossup between Gram and Tyrith. I think they'd both make equally good consuls and they each have one vote at this point hmm?

Autumn, have any bright ideas on your side of the fence? I am a little disillusioned after Dodgerchick turning up innocent last night. I had built a lot of assumptions of guilt/innocence around her.

I think the list idea worked out pretty well last night. We should probably do the same thing tonight.

just because path voted for Gram as consul (as well as Chief Rum) I'm going to vote Tyrith I think. Obviously CR seems to be a clear choice for consul, it seems almost like it'd be too noticeable to not vote for him, even if people were wolves...so the vote for gram is the one of the two that raises my eyebrows, along with of course Path's flip-flop. Nothing personal necessarily Gram, just when someone who just flip-flopped onto me with no reason given votes for you, that causes me to look in another direction. Could be nothing, but it could be something.

so my 2nd vote for consul

VOTE TYRITH FOR CONSUL

my other standing votes

VOTE CHIEF RUM FOR CONSUL
VOTE ANXIETY FLIES OFF THE ROCK

I wouldn't suggest either of you put in Coffee Warlord.

Yep, I said that. I also said that I thought Anxiety was good too. Then I said that I'd vote for the person with the fewest votes in that situation. I've been entirely consistent with this. You should go back and check.

I've put in the bid for the slaves. I figured to be in jail today. Watching NCIS over the next hour. I'm watching it in the other room, I won't be around. Peace out. Well, maybe the last few minutes before the deadline, in case someone wants me to change something.

Well I'm glad to see you appear, and with such a flourish. I Like that you quoted yourself ;-)

It's a bit suspicious that on the night you were blocked no kills happened, though I agree with your point that this isn't the first time you were blocked. It's also suspicious that the other lawyers have died so quickly but not you, and that you've accumulated so much wealth. I'm not sure I have any questions about that though, as either the accusations have merit or it's all just chance. I tend to believe Anxietus is the guilty one, but the suspicions against you have some weight to them.

I don't know whether to be worried at you brandishing the swordsman, or excited that we could take out two traitors

that would make sense, cuz honestly you didn't seem wolfy to me at all all game so far.

Ironus Headus,

I think we have to concentrate on the trio of Coffee, Anxiety and KWhit right now. Given the situation, AE's warning that gives us one clear idea.

The other clump seems to be Daddyus and Ardentus. Then there's been some talk of Chubbus. Pascalligus and Mustangus are on my radar too. But the first five there seem to be the important targets.

There don't seem to be enough targets for us to be too coy about who we're arresting, so we may have to just come out with it.

Lets see. I felt we had a pretty good plan last night. We vote for DC and if she is innocent hope the lawyer will save her life. If she survives with a large vote swing we have a pretty good feel that she innocent and things start falling into place. Not to mention that she was going to scan Anxiety. I am not sure I buy a frame up by the wolves because they would have had no idea who Anxiety would send the sex slaves to. What was it that Lathum had said in another thread about playing as a wolf. "Don't bluff a calling station?" I'll call this one:

VOTE THROW ANXIETY OFF THE ROCK

My second consul vote:

Chief Rumus is obviously running away with this, and I don't have a particular problem with that though I'm now just paranoid of anything that gains momentum like that. I picked Tyrith first, and I think I'll go with another quieter but seemingly on target thinker with my second:

ELECT PASSCALIGUS AS CONSUL

Here now and caught up.

Wondering how all of a sudden I am suspicious. I have had 3 different people clear me!

• Sndvls - vouched for me due to me being the first to use the word Republic (I know - shaky evidence, but when added to the next two...)
• Coffee Warlord - said he scanned me and I was in the clear
• Anxiety - scanned me and said I was in the clear

WHAT MORE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT!??!?!

I have no idea how I didn't win the swordsman the other night. I'm talking about 2 nights ago, not last night. I didn't get a bid in last night.

My only guess is that someone above me in wealth is lying or st.cronin screwed up. I sent him a PM about that possibility and never received a response, so I have to assume he didn't screw up and someone above me in $$ bid on the sword guy and is lying about it.

Now, I don't know who that might be because I don't know when the bidding is resolved and who had more money than me (or even who appeared at the same level as me) at the time the bids were resolved.

But I didn't get the sword killer. Do you need to waste another scan on me to believe that? Sheesh!

I realized I never cast a lynch vote. Obviously Anxietus is my man. I hesitated in the beginning thinking maybe we would find another certain candidate and use the sword on one of them. But I definitely don't want Anxietus getting out of this one, especially if the lawyer can help a guilty man.

VOTE THROW ABEUS ANXIETUS OFF THE ROCK

I will join the fan club and:

VOTE CHIEF RUM FOR CONSUL
ABSTAIN from the second consul vote.

Besides Chief Rum the only other people I trust enough to put as Consul are not eligible for a vote right now.

Ironhead, I don't want to miss an arrest or duplicate. How shoudl we coordinate this?

Autumn - My suspect is in this list:

Autumnus Leavus
Abeus Anxietus
Pathus Twelveus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Kayus Whitus

Does voting for someone not on that list work for you?

Vote Passcaligus for Consul
Vote Abstain for 2nd consul vote

Vote Execute Anxiety

I know what my focus is on after the next set of lawsuits. I want to see comparisons between winning % vs consul/lawyers. There absolutely has to be some connection there somewhere.

Well,that doesn't leave me with a lot of suspects left from my list. I could make an arrest but it would either be Daddy, Ardentus or a shot in the dark at someone else.

Obviously I'm surprised to be on your list. Pathus and Barkeepus ahve been on and off and on my suspect list, so they seem OK picks, but I hvaen't seen anything lately to target them. Do you think we should be focusing there?

I'm willing to change my tack, since I don't know how good my intution and reasoning has been so far. I think I've nailed Antmeister nad Anxiety, but everyone else I'm unsure of.

So, I could make an arrest based off this list, but I'm not sure how storng it would be. Are you thinking I should go with that?

Well Passcaligus and Mustangus have created a little circle of trust here ... ;-)

What do you mean about the lawsuits? That lawyers are better at winning lawsuits that they're in?

That was a cut and past job for the vote tally from my excel file Autumn. You are currently not a suspect of mine.

I will narrow it down for you:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Pathus Twelveus

One of those two will get my arrest vote tonight. I am very hestitant to post this narrow of a list with 15 minutes left until deadline, but I don't want our arrests getting mixed up. I am sending in my order now.

lol, sorry to confuse the issue then. I wasn't sure if you were trying to keep it obfuscated, or widen the suspect pool. I guess both actually.

OK, we will have no duplicates then.

Well, looks like I have died. That's okay. I can now concentrate on the game I'm gm'ing, so its nothing major. For the record, I am not a tarq. Also, no one has still come forward to controvert my beleif that my sex slaves blocked AE's actions, and thereby blocked the tarqs' actions. Do you honestly think that on Day 8 they would just decide not to kill? No bg user has claimed that their bg blocked any kill. Its not hard to connect those lines.

Anxiety, if you are going to die then there will be no reason not to use Narcizo in your defense. Don't forgot to also send in a scan.

I already sent in said action

Time check.

The results of today's lawsuits are as follows (winner is underlined):

Ardent sues Anxiety
Ardent sues DaddyTorgo
Ardent sues KWhit
Ardent sues Passacaglia
Ardent sues Path12
Ardent sues Barkeep
Ardent sues Coffee Warlord
Ardent sues Grammaticus
Ardent sues Ironhead
Ardent sues Narcizo
Ardent sues Autumn
Ardent sues Chief Rum
Ardent sues Chubby
Ardent sues Mustang
Ardent sues Tyrith
Grammaticus Atticus sues Anxietus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Tyrishus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Daddeus Torgus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Passeus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Patheus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Ironus Headus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Chubbeus
Coffeus Yakus Sues Ardent
Coffeus Yakus Sues KWhit
Coffeus Yakus Sues Anxiety
Coffeus Yakus Sues Pass
Coffeus Yakus Sues Path12
Coffeus Yakus Sues Barkeep
Coffeus Yakus Sues Gram
Coffeus Yakus Sues Ironhead
Coffeus Yakus Sues Narcizo
Coffeus Yakus Sues Autumn
Coffeus Yakus Sues Chief Rum
Coffeus Yakus Sues Chubby
Coffeus Yakus Sues DaddyTorgo
Coffeus Yakus Sues Mustang
Coffeus Yakus Sues Tyrith
Grammaticus Atticus sues Mustangus Sallleus
Autumn SUE ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
Autumn SUE KAYUS WHITUS
Autumn SUE DODGUS ERCHICKUS
Autumn SUE ABEUS ANXIETUS
Autumn SUE PATHUS TWELVEUS
Abeus sueth Mustang
Abeussueth DaddyTorgo
Abeus sueth Passus Caglius
Abeus sueth Pathus Twelveus
Mustang sues Ardentus Enthusiastus
Mustang sues Kayus Whitus
Mustang sues Abeus Anxietus
Mustang sues Passus Caglius
Mustang sues Pathus Twelveus
Mustang sues Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus-
Mustang sues Coffeus Yakus Warlordus-
Mustang sues Grammus Atticus-
Mustang sues Ironus Headus
Mustang sues Narcizus Lispus
Mustang sues Autumnus Leavus
Mustang sues Chiefus Rumus-
Mustang sues Chubbus Chubbus
Mustang sues Daddus Torgous
Mustang sues Tyrus Ithus
Tyrith sues Mustang
PATHUS TWELVUS SUES DADDYUS TORGOUS
PATHUS TWELVUS SUES PASSUS CAGLIUS
PATHUS TWELVUS SUES IRONUS HEADUS
PATHUS TWELVUS SUES MUSTANGUS WHATEVERUS
PATHUS TWELVUS SUES CHUBBUS CHUBBUS

that's hot. I won multiple lawsuits. Maybe I won't be so damm poor anymore!

I didn't do as well today on the lawsuits.

Ardent sues everyone. Again.

Assuming I'm alive and the start of the new day since the deadline just passed.

This lawsuit thing makes no sense to me, but I seem to be OK at winning. It seems once you win a lot you start going back down, at least Kayus and Ardentus have.

I'm assuming I didn't learn anything from all my lawsuits, again. :(

Yeah, Christ, the chance of finding evidence through a lawsuit must be next to nothing. Either that or the traitors have somehow managed to mostly sue each other?

I guess this might take a while. I'm eager to know, but should get some more work done. I'm going to leave and be back in a little while.

Got the pimp.

The initial votes at the Treason trials:

10 - Anxiety - Daddy Torgo (2620), Narcizo (2724), Tyrith (2733), Coffee Warlord (2747), Chief Rum (2750), Grammaticus (2724), Passacaglia (2792), Ironhead (2811), Autumn (2814), Mustang (2819)

4 - DaddyTorgo - Anxiety (2734), Barkeep (2740), path12 (2707), KWhit (2815)

Two lawyers make speeches: Narcizus Lispus makes an impassioned speech defending Abeus Anxietus. He is followed by Ardentus Enthusiastus making a brilliant speech laying out the case against Daddyus Torgous. A second vote is taken - this time the vote is unanimous. Daddyus Torgous is thrown from the rock, and Abeus Anxietus is freed.

Mother Fer.

DT was a good guy. :(

The following Senator has been murdered:

Coffeus Warlordus, by sword

The following Senators are in jail:

Kayus Whitus
Pathus Twelveus

The new Consuls of Rome are:


Chiefus Rumus
Passus Caglius

Wow, I went something like 1-4 or 1-5.

Today should provide some interesting discussion.

Hate to do that to you, Warlord, but I had serious doubts about you.

I am ready to serve Rome!

WTF!!! MOTHER F-ER!!!!!

THAT IS BULLCRAP!!

yeah...i'm a lil upset about that result. Good look loyal senators...find those traitorous tarqs please!

you're a pretty damm good lawyer AE. To overcome that vote differential

No, I mean that there is some correlation to players winning or losing all their lawsuits. Maybe when there are favorable circumstances, a traitor will win alot of their lawsuits or, when they are suing alot of people, when the circumstances aren't favorable they have to keep their mouth shut otherwise they could implicate themselves so, they lose alot of lawsuits.

I'm running near 50/50 as well as probably a few others. That is what I would probably expect but, that isn't happening. You are getting some people winning everything or losing everything. I think you look to some people that have had really good days like this and I would say there is a better chance at a Tarq in those type of groups.

Apparently Ironus Headus disagrees. :(

Wow. Ardent is too powerful, and must be stopped. If our vote is to hold any stock, we're going to need sex slaves on top of him 24-7, or to outbid the prisoners for his services.

I didn't die? Wow. Let me see if I got a scan pm from st cronin.

So who hired Ardent to prosecute DT?

Well, that certainly was unexpected.

What the &#@? Who won Ardentus for yesterday?

Sorry boss. I apparently convinced myself. :(

Dola, because that person deliberately went against the vote to make sure Anxiety was freed. I find that interesting.

Crap, missed dola.

Too easy. I won the slaves. I'll just use them on myself.

Waiting for confirmation on this ...

But I'm now wishing I had had Anxietus rearrested. Which I almost, almost did. I figured if he was freed it might be because he was innocent though. Ididn't expect Daddy to get prosecuted by Perry Mason.

argg

Autumn, any reason not to use the slaves on myself?

Well, that's an odd idea. LOL. I guess that would prevent that from happening again.

All right, back to work. Well thigns are certainly always exciting around here. There's so many services we have to wrap up, who would have thought the lawyer could be so powerful. For what it's worth, I lost my bid as usual.

The wealthiest men in Rome are:

Abeus Anxietus
Ardentus Enthusiastus

The following Senators are extremely wealthy:

Autumnus Leavus
Grammus Atticus
Mustangus Sallus

The following Senators are moderately wealthy:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Ironus Headus
Kayus Whitus
Pathus Twelveus

The following (remaining) Senators are of normal wealth:

Chiefus Rumus
Chubbus Chubbus
Narcizus Lispus
Passus Caglius
Tyrus Ithus

This is not a good thing for me, and it hurts my case, but it helps my side.

I just got my pm. Apparently, AE is cleared of any wrong doing.

I'm not sure how that news sets with me. I believe someone tried to hire me to scan...me...in the past, and said it couldn't work that way.

Obviously, I appreciate the news.

That would make you a masturslaver :)

Seems like DC talked about it, but I'm not sure if she did it or not.

Cronin, can I come back and haunt Gramm for all eternity for this line? :)

Well, every night I hope things will get cleared up, but it seems they just get muddled. Do we know who bodyguarded tonight? It seems someone wanted to set Anxietus free and throw Daddyus off the cliff. Did we hear what Kayus Whitus won? He seems the obvious choice, and I guess I'm glad I arrested him now, but now Anxietus is free and fabulously wealthy to boot.

I'm not sure how to take Anxietus' clearing of Ardentus. I suppose it's the best bet he has - he knows we're unlikely to pay attention to him clearing one of his compatriots, or calling someone else a traitor.

Maybe at my new wealth level I can manage to actually win a service. I'd be inclined to do a scan myself for once.

Ironus Headus, can you let us know why you chose to arrest Pathus? I will go back and read posts, but I'm not sure how he might tie into all this.

Coffeeus Warlordus was certainly on my suspect list, but I'm also not sure about Ardentus deciding to off him. I would have preferred to off somebody we were more sure of. That sword killer is an awfully convenient way to make a public kill and not reveal your loyalty.

Sorry, Autumn. I was increasingly worried about the Warlord.

Yes, that was me that said that. Yesterday I had Narzico, which you will see int he post. My lawyer defended me, someone else's attacked DT.

Okay, I am absolutely 100% bidding on the killer.

Say again?

I was the one who pointed out that you can't use a lawyer to scan themselves because I asked.


I didn;t have you yesterday, I had Narzicus. I had you two days ago. Yesterday, Narzico scanned you and defended me. Look int he post for verification.

So, you had me yesterday?

Duh, AE. He says right there he didn't.

So, what did I do two days ago?

St. Cronim: You haven't posted the financial services for today, I beleive. I need to know who's up for today so I know who ta vtoe for.

Scanned KWhit

Right. And he came back clean, right?

The following people are offering services in the Forum today:

Gallus Clarus, ex-legionnaire
Titus Ludius, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Animus Sentus, person rumored to be affiliated with the Priesthood
Furius Lucius, former warlord of Gaul, enslaved and now freed
Lexus Postus, owner of many horses
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses

and of course,

Ardentus Enthusiastus
Narcizus Lispus

Looks like Narc was hired to defend Abeus and AE was hired to Prosecute DT, hence both lawyers working in Abeus' favor.

Who hired AE?

Tyrith sues Mustang because he can win

I won the services of one of the BGs for today.

That pimpus has the sex slave market cornered.

DT was good, yes?

Here's where you may have tripped yourself up, Anxiety.

Two days ago, I had the slaves. There's no way I investigated Kwhit if I had the slaves.

Yes.

The reason I thought of this:

If I give myself the sex slaves, there's no way anyone could use me to scan someone for this day.

Alas, I must soon retire to chambers. I'll catch up in the morning...though morning will likely be the last time I'm online until AFTER the deadline.

I, of course, am willing to bid on whoever I need to to help the cause.

Day X - Someone places a bid
Day X+1 - They get an award. They submit an action
Day X+2 - They get that action done.

On the first day I had full wealth, I bid on you.

The following day I won you. I send you to scan KWhit. I bid onteh sex slaves.

The following day I discovered that KWhit was clean, I ordered the sex slaves to stop you.I bid on Narzico

The folloiwng day the sex slaves stopped you. I ordered Narzico to protect me. I placed no bid because I was in jail.

Today I received my action on my scan of you by Narcizo.

That;s the order that thigns happened, and that;s the order I posted here in teh ame. I have been totally consistent, because I have never lied.

Note that crtain actions are faster. I bid on a lawyer, and if I win them, I can use them for defense the following day, but I still dont get teh san result until teh day after that.

I feel the choice offered to us today doesn't really get at the core of our problems. KWhit seems to be more or less a conspiracy theory. The problem for us now...is that AE killing CW DOESN'T REVEAL CW'S ALLEGIANCE! So we still don't know how all the linkages in the Anxiety/AE/whatever mess are working right now. If we could just kill one known bad guy I can't help but feel we'd roll them up right now...anyway, I'm definitely leaning towards bumping path, because I find it hard to believe that a) CW and Anxiety would so openly link themselves and b) that in doing so they'd link themselves to a THIRD guy so we could roll up the entire team. It's not impossible, but it just seems so damned dangerous. Further, Anxiety's defense worked so well that I can't help but think he was aided by innocence.

I'm on board with the sentiment. But bumping me doesn't accomplish it. I actually have no idea why I'm even here. Or KWhit for that matter. The arrests have been odd, to say the least.

Yeah, this really doesn't seem like what should have been our focus today...if we just wanted to sex slave AE forever, couldn't we have arrested him and at least given ourselves a shot at offing him if we so desire?

I had hoped to wait and hear from Narcizo regarding DaddyTorgo but it doesn't look like he is going to be on before I hit the sack.

I am the one who bid on, won and used Ardent yesterday. My thinking was pretty simple. I could use Ardent to investigate someone or assign him to the Senate for prosecution/defense - not both (confirmed this with St. Cronin). Quite frankly up to this point scanning people hasn't turned up anything, and not only that people don't seem to trust them as evidenced by KWhit being scanned 3 times (or so people claim).

This is what I saw in the lynch votes as we closed in on deadline:
Anxiety - 11 votes
DaddyTorgo - 4 votes

Up to this point the absolute only thing we have to judge lawyer use on is Coffee Warlord. On the 2nd day he used Ardent to swing 3 votes in his favor.

Game Rules Regarding Lawyers:



I feel that the underlined parts above are absolutely key. Scenarios I was looking at:

a) Scenario 1 - Anxiety is actually a Tarq, DaddyTorgo is innocent
Anxiety - 11 votes
DaddyTorgo - 4 votes

Judging by the game mechanics in this situation I would have received a poor defense, and DaddyTorgo to have received a poor prosecution. End result is that the votes barely change, Anxiety is executed and the poor prosecution put on by Ardent provides some kind of proof as to DaddyTorgo's loyalty.

b) Scenario 2 - Anxiety is actually for the Republic, DaddyTorgo is a Tarq
Anxiety - 11 votes
DaddyTorgo - 4 votes

Again, going purely what was posted in the rules I would expect Anxiety to receive a very good defense and DaddyTorgo to receive a very strong prosecution. I would like to point out right here that THIS IS WHAT ST. CRONIN'S POST IS SHOWING US THAT HAPPENED.

c) Scenarios 3 - Anxiety is loyal and DaddyTorgo is loyal
Anxiety - 11 votes
DaddyTorgo - 4 votes

I would have expected the final votes to be almost equal in this case.

d) Scenarios 4 - Anxiety is a Tarq and DaddyTorgo is a Tarq
Anxiety - 11 votes
DaddyTorgo - 4 votes

I would expect either Anxiety's defense to be poor, but DaddyTorgo's prosecution could be so stellar since he is guilty that the end result could be convincing.


So, going purely by the game mechanics I would expect DaddyTorgo to be a Tarq. When I first saw the voting results I got up and ran through the living room screaming like I just scored a goal in the world cup because I thought it worked and we had someone finally.

And then Ardent posted that DaddyTorgo was good. Huh? That makes no sense. If DaddyTorgo was innocent why was his prosecution a CLEAN SWEEP of the votes.

For the little it's worth I confirm that DT was good. Big bloody surprise. How the hell could he be anything else? I lined up the argument yesterday. There was next to no evidence against DT - there was clear evidence that KWhit and Coffee Warlord are in a conspiracy together, with a strong possibility that Anxiety was in on it as well.

ANYONE who thought there was reason to believe that DT was more worthy of an execution than Anxiety is a suspect to me. It's nonsense. I don't know what the hell happened here but there's wolf fingerprints (pawprints, I guess) all over this. I don't think everyone can be bad, some are clearly just being duped. It makes me wonder just how many wolves we're dealing with. Every game I think there must be about 50% wolves.

If Ardent is sending the sex slaves to himself that means I'd like to know who has my services today and how they're going to use them. Are they going to actually scan someone to gather some information or are they going to be tampering with the majority will of the senators. Again.

On the plus side. No kill today again? I wonder if you can kill while you're in prison. I'd take a wild guess and say "probably not". I've laid out the argument against KWhit, Coffee and Anxiety. If they're not guilty then I'm the Wizard of Oz. Path? Dunno. He voted against DT, maybe he's bad, maybe he's just misguided. Either way, once again, the evidence is massively in favour of -

Vote Execute KWhit

And vote for an arrest order on Anxiety.

Anxiety had 10 votes not 11, Ironhead. Would that have effected your decision? I don't know about your argument. Given the circumstances it seems like a massive risk to take based on assumptions from semantics that are, intentionally, cloudy. I've had a good feeling about you for most of the game but this makes me wonder.