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NobodyHere 07-13-2024 06:27 PM

TV is saying a rally attendee is dead and the shooter is "down".

RainMaker 07-13-2024 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3436697)
I'm still not understanding how the SS allowed him to stand up and strike the defiance pose for so long not knowing if the shooter was neutralized or if there were others. Just a bizarre scene. Surely that's not SOP in the manual.


You can hear someone on stage say "shooter down" before they lift him up.

JonInMiddleGA 07-13-2024 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3436696)
It also could be that they had the mics dialed in to record voice, causing the supersonic sounds to be muffled, because if there was return fire, it had a similar sound, and those wouldn't be subsonic.


{hat tip} That does call into question whether we hear the (supposed) return fire.

Good catch on the flaw with my theory for sure.

Ksyrup 07-13-2024 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3436700)
You can hear someone on stage say "shooter down" before they lift him up.


That's an awfully quick assessment of a chaotic situation with thousands of people around.

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 06:31 PM

Just watched an older guy covered in blood give an interview that said he was an er doctor and worked on an individual in the stands that took a shot to the head.

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Lathum 07-13-2024 06:34 PM

It is really sad a rally goer was killed and that they will almost assuredly be politicized.

Biden needs to come out and condemn this and Trump needs to come out and say this was the work of a single, deranged person. Neither will happen and instead we are going to see an explosion in political violence.

Ksyrup 07-13-2024 06:39 PM

Of course Biden is going to condemn the shooting.

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 06:43 PM

I have already seen a large number of Democrats condemn this.

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Danny 07-13-2024 06:43 PM

Biden should have been briefed of this within two minutes.

Lathum 07-13-2024 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3436705)
Of course Biden is going to condemn the shooting.


He should have already.

All this does is feed the narrative he is slow to respond to a national emergency and every additional second he doesn't address the nation proves that.

Ksyrup 07-13-2024 06:45 PM

We've gone from Bush finishing reading a children's book to Biden having to be awakened at 6:30pm to be briefed.

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 06:48 PM

If this story is true....


https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1...CBcnZ3p2A&s=19

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GrantDawg 07-13-2024 06:50 PM

And again, all of this could end up being false, but..
https://x.com/3orovik/status/1812269...CXJNA-sEA&s=19

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RainMaker 07-13-2024 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3436679)
Gonna save this post. One of us is going to be very, very wrong.


Better to work out excises for why he lost. Russians again? Jill Stein? Way more time to get creative.

RainMaker 07-13-2024 06:52 PM

Reports are the shooter was on a roof. Killed seconds later by a secret service sniper.

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 06:54 PM

So a sniper from distance. How was there no coverage of any roof that had sight-line? That was a major Secret Service failure.

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Lathum 07-13-2024 07:08 PM


CrimsonFox 07-13-2024 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3436697)
I'm still not understanding how the SS allowed him to stand up and strike the defiance pose for so long not knowing if the shooter was neutralized or if there were others. Just a bizarre scene. Surely that's not SOP in the manual.


whole thing was staged

JonInMiddleGA 07-13-2024 07:13 PM

A whole lot of "ifs" with this obviously but ... IF the rooftop shooter turns out to be legit, can there be any way there's not a Congressional investigation of the Secret Service?

And IF everything is just like that BBC interview portrays, does Trump decline Secret Service protection at that point & use only his own people going forward?

Ghost Econ 07-13-2024 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3436704)
It is really sad a rally goer was killed and that they will almost assuredly be politicized.

Biden needs to come out and condemn this and Trump needs to come out and say this was the work of a single, deranged person. Neither will happen and instead we are going to see an explosion in political violence.


They made a martyr out of they dumb nut job on January 6th, this person was just in the wrong place.

NobodyHere 07-13-2024 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3436716)


He's currently holding a press conference.

JPhillips 07-13-2024 07:17 PM

the Secret Service has had so many problems over the past decade or so. People getting into the residence, prostitution scandals, drug use, now this. It's well past time they get shaken to the core.

NobodyHere 07-13-2024 07:23 PM

Not sure how you're going to stop this in America other than telling people to stop holding open air rallys.

CrimsonFox 07-13-2024 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3436722)
Not sure how you're going to stop this in America other than telling people to stop holding open air rallys.


But they don't want to stop it. They want more of it. These are the GOP's "fine good people"

Lathum 07-13-2024 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3436720)
He's currently holding a press conference.


Absolutely unacceptable how long it took.

NobodyHere 07-13-2024 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3436724)
Absolutely unacceptable how long it took.


Not really IMO. He probably wanted to get as much reliable information as he could about the situation before commenting.

JPhillips 07-13-2024 07:31 PM

Nonsense. He was being briefed and communicating with Trump's team. There's no benefit to jumping out first and getting things wrong.

Ghost Econ 07-13-2024 07:31 PM

And here I thought not buying Jack Nicklaus 4 at Goodwill for 50¢ was going to be the worst part of my day. Instead someone fails to kill Trump and kills an innocent bystander, then my daughter has a panic attack at the state swim meet and I'm not there.

Lathum 07-13-2024 07:37 PM

He could have easily come out minutes after it happened, condemned it, then said he would brief the nation once he had more information.

JPhillips 07-13-2024 07:38 PM

And what would that have accomplished? Not everything has to move at the speed of twitter.

JPhillips 07-13-2024 07:38 PM

The pictures of the rooftop and the body of the shooter are shocking. He wasn't exactly well-hidden.

CrimsonFox 07-13-2024 07:39 PM

hypothesis:

Every trump rally from now on will have 75% of the crowd packing and some will open carry. This will cause everyone to draw weapons at the slightest flinch and the dumber of those opening fire every speech. All MAGAs are wiped off the planet in 28 days.

Lathum 07-13-2024 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3436729)
And what would that have accomplished? Not everything has to move at the speed of twitter.


I would have shown the president is available and ready to address the nation at a moments notice in a crisis.

Do you not realize the narrative is going to be he needed to be woken up?

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 07:42 PM

Now that we know it was a sniper, man that came close. It was a tough shot that nearly got there.

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cartman 07-13-2024 07:45 PM

some outlets (TMZ being one. I know...) are stating a secret service person as saying Trump's wounds were caused by pieces of a shattered teleprompter that was hit by a bullet

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 07:47 PM

Seen on twitter:
"It would be wild if this ends up being over Jody Foster."

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RainMaker 07-13-2024 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3436730)
The pictures of the rooftop and the body of the shooter are shocking. He wasn't exactly well-hidden.


Nor was he far away. WTF does the Secret Service even do?

Lathum 07-13-2024 07:52 PM

This is the most nervous and concerned I have been about our nation since 9/11

Ghost Econ 07-13-2024 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3436736)
Nor was he far away. WTF does the Secret Service even do?


Deep state

JonInMiddleGA 07-13-2024 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3436735)
Seen on twitter:
"It would be wild if this ends up being over Jody Foster."


Not nearly as good as the fact that "Ben Simmons" is trending now.

Which, of course, is silly. We all know Simmons wouldn't have taken the shot.

CrimsonFox 07-13-2024 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3436737)
This is the most nervous and concerned I have been about our nation since 9/11


i don't know why. everything about it is business as usual

Ghost Econ 07-13-2024 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3436739)
Not nearly as good as the fact that "Ben Simmons" is trending now.

Which, of course, is silly. We all know Simmons wouldn't have taken the shot.


Markelle Fultz is the better joke but about 4 years too late.

JonInMiddleGA 07-13-2024 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3436741)
Markelle Fultz is the better joke but about 4 years too late.


The first version of that I saw was Bronny, so there was a contemporary version.

edit to add: there's also a Klay Thompson version

CrimsonFox 07-13-2024 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3436742)
The first version of that I saw was Bronny, so there was a contemporary version.

edit to add: there's also a Klay Thompson version


it was a brony?

NobodyHere 07-13-2024 08:32 PM

Are we sure the shooter isn't MJ4H?

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 08:33 PM

He refused to accept his banning.

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CrimsonFox 07-13-2024 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3436721)
the Secret Service has had so many problems over the past decade or so. People getting into the residence, prostitution scandals, drug use, now this. It's well past time they get shaken to the core.


just thinking....this is probably a good indication of how much they don't want to defend trump since he's hated by so many

CrimsonFox 07-13-2024 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3436744)
Are we sure the shooter isn't MJ4H?


maybe edward just to start another thread (j/k)

RainMaker 07-13-2024 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3436746)
just thinking....this is probably a good indication of how much they don't want to defend trump since he's hated by so many


They're cops. They love the guy but are just incompetent.

Except maybe this guy who got a shot off really fast.




GrantDawg 07-13-2024 08:41 PM

Seems Biden was at mass when the shooting happened, which was why it took some time for him to release a statement and speak.

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