If it was #2 I would have went after Suicane.

That's making an assumption that a bad guy couldn't have a villager role. There have been wolf dukes before, ya?

To be clear, not suggesting a GE vote - just want to make sure we're not assuming he's cleared. Not the smartest target though unless we really want to learn more about the lynch yesterday.

I don't recall a game that I have played where the duke was a wolf.

Either way, its not the case in this game either.

FYI - I didn't start with a duke role. Some sort of game mechanic must have triggered it.

Does anyone want to go explore the heat source with me?

That's what scares me... game mechanics trigger revised roles. Along with revised priorities. We need to look at the allegiances before the leadership change as well as after I think.

That's what I figured, and also why I wouldn't discount anybody who uses a role going forwards as being a bad guy.

i will

explore heat source with suicane

I see that at other sites sometimes but I've never seen that here.
The duke power specifically is one I've never seen as bad.

I'm not assuming anyone is cleared. I'm just not in favor of a GE vote today.
Altho I think saldana is comfortably in my good pile because of read.

sure i'll go along

explore heat source with suicane and saldana

Oh sounds found... Can I go?

Why not explore the flatlands before the heat source? Stay in a nice, open visible area?

If anyone's willing to go with me to the flatlands...

Explore Flatlands

I don't think I'll be much use in exploration

Explore Heat Source

I didn't say it proper.

Just to be clear, we're sure GE is the Duke and not Raven right?

Didn't like the response to arriving late on Day 0... seemed irked that others were in better positions for engineering role. The day 3 vote seemed very odd, a vote to fix communications very late in the process when it was clear that it wasn't going to win. All basically hunches but what the heck.

explore flatlands

I trust ya grover.

saldan, cf, dg and suicane... all exploring heat source. weird man... weird.

Whooo! Adventure!

Day 2 vote seemed odd also now that I look at it.

Raven only voted for font. I am the one who decided to put font on trial. I voted for Crimson Fox just for self preservation, but I never really thought he was the true killer.

Previous post may result in SPACE MADNESS.

White and gold. People who see black and blue are smoking crack.

Send me back to Earth.

It's blue and black and white with golden dance moves!

Winner.

Great... space command is sitting reading FOFC all day. We're doomed.

this is not correct, and IIRC, cost us a game once...we assumed the duke had to be good and never voted him, and he was a wolf the whole time.

BLUE AND BLACK!

i made it pretty clear early on that my votes were going to be in the interest of survival first...all my votes were with that in mind, even if i knew they werent going to win, i wanted to be on the record as having made them

I'm just saying I'VE never seen that role bad but I HAVE seen weird roles turn up bad especially after conversion. But I still am not interested in returning to Golden as a first option today.

Does anyone have an updated vote count? I am leaving in around an hour from work and likely won't log in before I leave.

I can try to put one together... give me 5..

jackal - narcizo (2628)
shoveler - autumn (2655)
sharkn20 - crimsonfox (2698)
crimsonfox - sharkn20 (2699)
saldana - timmae (2717)

explore heat source - saldana (2708) crimsonfox (2711) suicane (2715)
explore flatland - grover (2713) timmae (2719)

why did you say "dg", timmae? dg never said he was exploring.
at least in thread he didn't

Post #2712 CF. He might have been joking though.

Will post a vote count when I get to my laptop. On phone now and will be away for a few.

Didn't catch the joke.. probably right.

Thanks for the vote totals CF... beat me to it.

Better Call Cass

oh this. :)

sounds found :)

dan if you want to go, you have to officially say it in boldface :)

Yowza. Absolutely no consolidation.

Jackal -- not much of a read
Shoveler -- not perfectly trustworthy, but has become more open and pro-colony while maintaining his individualism :)
sharkn20 -- seems to be tunneling on CF, not exactly sure why; may be excusable for a new player, may be a personal VC for something having to do with the stowaway?
CF -- seems to be the stowaway, and we don't think that the stowaway is the murderer
Saldana -- also not much of a read

So among that group, I'd first weed out Shoveler and CF. Among the other 3...?

vote Saldana

Because I like timmae's approach.

GoldenEagle: Why duke it to me specifically?

Two things:
1. Can we assume that the notes in the flavor were put by EF or is it possible they were written by scum to be deliberately misleading? I'm leaning towards the former.
2.Is it better for everyone to go to one destination as a group? That makes it harder for individuals to be picked off, and entire groups to be in danger, but has a downside of not narrowing down scum if they're forced to kill in their group.

Who told you to put the balm on??!

Not GE, but...

Maybe he was more interested in simply avoiding the lynch than in targeting someone else for it. Thomkal had already come out in your support, and we'd gotten the manifest info we wanted out of you. There could have been AFK considerations in play there.

1. There's always that possibility that baddies can influence the way the mod describes things, but I'm sure that if it's the case, it would be within limits.

2. Trade-offs. Cover more ground? Or limit our vulnerability? Your point about the extra evidence from killing within small groups is well-taken. Semi-relatedly, I'm still interested in having people with weapons go to the riskier exploration areas with the idea of defending the group they're with.

I'm going to wait for GE's reply before discussing this further.

Oh, and I have absolutely no information on the gun.

Thanks font... please, for the love of martians... whomever has the six shooter please pipe up!

All of the items are likely handed out randomly, unless an individual/group stumbles upon something on an exploration

Here it is. To me that means someone found it, but I guess no one has owned up to it. Which is probably smart considering they'd likely have been targeted for a night kill.

If we find ourselves in a situation where we really need it we could have it given to a specific person that we're all aware of and have that person guarded, or what not.

fontisian,

I had a hunch and went with it. I really can't put my finger on it. I also missed the fact that you gave details on the passenger manifest, although there is not sort of way to validate that.

I actually had it between you and Raven. I decided on you.

I am heading out to play poker and won't be able to partake in active discussions tonight.

I did technically vote for fontisian last night, so:

unvote fontisian

I have no idea what about anything that I have said or done is suspicious, but whatever...iI'm not going to be around much longer tonight...will proyally put my vote back where I started yesterday.

I decided on voting for fox or sharkn20 because I really don't like the back and forth banter they have going. It seems like they are trying to create some unnecessary friction.

vote sharkn20

But you knew that Thomkal wasn't going to lynch me. What were you hoping to achieve?

He is saying he chose you because he knew Thomkal would keep you alive. He seems to trust you. He duked to saved himself but avoid sacrificing anyone else - nullifying the trial altogether.

That is absolutely not what he said.

He said it was your or me. Everyone knew Thomkal was keeping you alive. Anyone who didn't know that, clearly hasn't been following.

The second part was my interpretation/assumptions of his actions.

By saying it was you or me, he implied that he was going after people he wanted lynched, because he didn't trust them. The further justification ("I also missed the fact that you gave details on the passenger manifest") supports the idea that he is claiming he thought I was likely scum.

Nowhere is it implied that he was trying to avoid a lynch, or wanted Thomkal to keep me alive. Nor does he ever imply that he trusts me, and his actions imply the opposite.

Your interpretation is both wrong and excessively favorable. Are you his scumbuddy?

I have absolutely no idea who to vote for right now.

I'm still trying to analyze all this. Super short on time today do to an open house at our home today.

I'd vote for CF again since the murders have started back up but I'm not sure...

vote follow Suicane's group

Can I do that? :)

I read his posts hours ago. I quickly read it and continued on reading the thread, to catch up. I didn't stop and analyze the post, so my interpretation (at the time of originally reading it) of his "hunch" was that he trusted us both, whereas your interpretation was the opposite. Maybe your interpretation is correct, but...

There were numerous posts and entire conversations devoted to Thomkal saying he would not let you stand trial. Everyone in the game should be aware of that fact, because it was a HUGE point in conversation yesterday. If he missed that fact and all the conversation around it, then he was the one not paying attention. Excuse me for assuming he was following along in the daily major events and acting accordingly. Everyone else in the game knew you would not stand trial. You're being ridiculous if you think otherwise.

My previous post was a knee-jerk quick-reply based on his actions and on my assumption that he knew what was going on in the game. I didn't go back and analyze his single post before trying to make sense of his actions. I just assumed he knew you wouldn't stand trial, because again, EVERYONE else knew that. That's why I thought he chose you.

vote dangarion

I wanted this vote last night and I just do t understand what he is doing...at this point it feels like he is trying to be extravagant in his behavior as a means of deflecting attention from himself

vote saldana

Part of the Engineering team, yes, but I trust timmae.

What? I shouldn't stay close to the group of people that have been accusing me all along...? Seems to me this is my only option. Work with you to make you realize it's not me you should be worrying about...

Vote: Dangarion

There's really no one else I can justify voting for at the moment.

Hah, didn't mean for that to be a run. I feel like his character would be jaded by not being elected and thus be a solid conversion target, knowing we have no idea if conversion is even in the game.

I also feel like his posts have been more argumentative than helpful.

I have only a slight lean toward Dangarion right now over saldana since those are the two leading candidates.

I figure going with the large group may help that group stay healthy if there is an issue out there.

I am not going to jump on the Dan Garion run. I honestly have not read much of todays run. I am just hoping to keep it close for now and see what happens. I will probably be on once more before deadline just so everyone knows.

Are we all supposed to explore one of the places? Posting from phone so hard to look back

I haven't even voted for someone yet and I'm the big bad...

If you want to.

Anyone care to actually give a reason for voting for me?

Being UTR? Timmae being suspicious of you?

I am here now and catching up. Apologies to everyone-was away much longer than expected-please repost any questions/comments for me so I will see them when I get caught up, thanks

Besides the all-important dress color of course :) And its black and blue by the way.

I didn't have a clue what that was about until my wife came home and showed me.

It has dominated the media today-seen it mentioned online all over the place-trended on facebook for a while and two sports programs talked about it. Crazy.

Saldana hasn't self-saved yet.