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um, Senator McCain, who do you think would win in a fight, Randy Couture or Brock Lesnar and Ill take your answer sitting down...thanks. Go Rebels!
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They can call it whatever they want, but there's still a moderator, and I'm sure the questions are still pre-screened by the candidates. |
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There has to be some sort of moderator even in a town hall. Who calls on questioners? Who enforces time limits? Who gives an introduction? Brokaw may do more than that, I don't know, but you can't have a debate without some sort of moderation. |
Was just conversing with a coworker who brought up a great point - she said she was watching an interview with Luke Russert last week and they were talking about polling numbers, and he pointed out that traditional polling #'s (which are tied to landlines) don't accurately reflect the electorate because of the large % of the population under 30 who no longer have a landline at all, and the fact that a majority of that group are left-leaning. My coworker then said that Luke said that they did a seperate survey of cellphone users and Obama had like a 20pt lead on McCain.
Now I'm not suggesting that that 20pt lead is accurate (it seems way too huge to me), but simply raising the point and guessing that the truth lies somewhere in the middle, that perhaps Obama's lead is somewhat more secure than the raw polls give him credit for. |
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I haven't seen that. One of the big polling outfits, I think Gallup, studied this and found a less than three point difference in a pure cell phone sample. They also stated that accounting for cell phone users was a part of their overall methodology and hence their polling numbers. |
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fair enough - like i said - it wasn't an interview I saw or anything - it was total hearsay on my part to post that. just something i wondered if people had taken into account. |
C'mon Arles, that's strategy. Youve gotta be able to look at things neutrally sometime right?
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Why exactly do you think Palin's on the ticket? :D |
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Yeah, that would be like someone accusing a triple-amputee Bronze and Silver Star Vietnam Vet of a lack of patriotism in campaign ads featuring images of the Vet superimposed with images of Osama bin Laden & Saddam Hussein. Crazy talk! |
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So you're upset that the State is defending the govenor in a legal matter? And you want higher taxes?? (snicker). States outsource legal maters all the time, when there's a conflict, or if its otherwise more efficient. Otherwise she'd be defended by the Attorney General's Office (which would also use State money) |
For the love of God Obama wasn't calling for any formal debate. He was talking about a discussion or argument.
As for Palin's lawyer, that's not a big deal. A governor has to be able to have legal counsel and having a limited budget from the state is reasonable. The fact that he's both the governor's attorney and Palin's family attorney could be a bit of a conflict, however. |
Hey i didn't say i was upset - just hadn't heard that yet and so was posting it over here. Besides, Alaska has plenty of $$ - not worried about that.
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you said it. Arles, theyre having a debate and if you trust the rules as stated than it's closer to what you desire than youre willing to admit so you can staunchly stand in your corner. I however will continue to look at things as fairly as possible. As an example, I have no problam with a government attorney defending the governor on Alaskan tax dollars, until I hear otherwise that's what that attorney is supposed to do. Wow, Arles, can you believe it? Ability to see things from a neutral standpoint. When you stop the spin perhaps you'll be able to too. |
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Who here (including myself) looks things at neutrally? We are all bias. Politics and no bias do not mix. Never have, never will. |
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Well Ill refer you back to my DT supported list of things I want and I think most everyone can agree that that is a pretty good starting bloc. |
New state polls are out and they look good for Obama:
Iowa: Obama 55 McCain 40 Minnesota: Obama 53 McCain 41 Ohio: Obama 47 McCain 45 |
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I'm biased, most in this thread are biased. I could puff smoke up your butt to show how impartial I am and state how I think Obama was correct in situation Y or the press was unfair to him in situation Z (there are many examples of both), but I choose not to insult everyone's intelligence who's reading. Quote:
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by no means do I mean to denegrade anyone else's view or attempt to make anyone think like me unless I can convince someone that the facts are overwhelming and they change their opinion of their own volition. Ive stated clearly and concisely to you that things should be allowed to run their course, that the questions from both sides are legitimate, that the lying shouldnt be allowed on either side, that family issues should remain private if thats what the family wants, etc. So at what point is that a biased view and Im sure you want those things too, right? I will call a spade a spade and my view is my own but I do think when I have an opinion, that it is my opinion, until it's changed by more info to justify a flip or a flop. Edit to add: Now if I can change your opinion with info. or through debate than great but at least I will attempt to base it on truthyness and honesty in stuff i post.
In regards to puffing smoke and being able to show when person A is right about X and person B wrong about X and then be vice versa is an ok thing to be. I do not think anyone in this thread HAS TO follow the straight line in support of or against their player...if anything that's the problem with this country. And the commentary about the attorney is vanilla as it can be, I wasnt trying to be gracious but continue to participate in this thread and that current issue. I have no idea the rules that a government attorney is supposed to follow so as far as I know theyre playing by them. Until someone tells me or shows me that something isnt above board why shouldnt it go through and she be able to use him/her? Hit the reset button, one time and re-read what I said without a slant, JimGA is able to do this IMO. It's not a biased jab or anything....Im not a lawyer nor work for the government. can I still buy your next game? |
I don't think those inside the Republican Party are too happy about the Palin pick even though they say so on the air. Mike Murphy and Peggy Noonan are caught discussing Palin off air:
YouTube - Noonan and Murphy on Palin Noonan said this today in her WSJ article today: "She is a real and present danger to the American left, and to the Obama candidacy. She could become a transformative political presence. So they are going to have to kill her, and kill her quick." And then in the clip she says "It's over." Are conservatives really as happy with Palin as they claim to be? |
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Looks like the last part of Obama's acceptance speech.... Warhammer, do you do speech writing? |
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Good or bad, here comes your next Palin/Obama comparison.
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I dont think her quoted statement is good or bad although I'd like to see religion kept out of politics. Granted, I didnt watch the video but she should stand by her beliefs so I have no problem with the quote. Better to know someone than not when having to cast a ballot for or against. /graciousness |
Well now it seems a couple of the talking heads got caught on an open mike and were expressing their true (because the cameras were off) feelings on the Palin selection:
Noonan, Murphy trash Palin on hot mic: 'It's over' - Yahoo! News Arles, Im not painting it one way or the other. |
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That is nothing worse than the emails I get forwarded by my mother-in-law and what alot of the ultra-religious-right pretty much believe. There are extremest of all kinds, and I try to stay away from all of them (both the left and the right) when I can. |
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That Ohio poll is far from good for Obama. He got a 6-8 point boost in nationwide polls overall, but only a 2 point boost in Ohio. We'll have to wait to see what it shows after the RNC convention to see if it evens out (Ohio was a dead heat before the conventions). |
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I am shocked that an underaged teenager is drinking. Shocked |
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yeah, no biggie to me....now if she were preggo at the time it'd be completely different :)
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No biggie? Being 16 it is conceivable that she might have a drivers license and car.
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I can say that both you and flasch are FAR from being impartial, but at least arles admits it. I would like to state that I am only partial to logic. My journey on this election. I wanted Rudy for Republican and President I wanted Obama for Democrat over Hillary I wanted Obama for the president I heard Obama having to think on his feet (and I realized he sounds just like George Bush) Great Speaker unlike George, but sounds even worse then George if you catch him unprepared on a topic. I saw Obama go back on some key points that made me think he wasn't the "agent of change he claimed to be" (turning down campaign reform e.g. public funds) (turning down the town hall style of debates) I decided to go with McCain McCain is going to pick Joe Liberman ( I'm really excited that he is crossing party lines and picking his choice) They announce Palin I read about Palin's history and stances and hear how McCain really wanted Liberman but they talked him out of it. I throw up on myself I'm back to Obama - he would really have to screw up for me to change at this point. If he does get that bad, I would just throw in the towel and go back vote independent. |
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If people want to argue that it is not a good idea to have a VP in office that believes in ultra-conservative right wing religious views, then I'll 100% agree with them. If you're wanting to talk about pictures of underaged drinking, I can point you to facebook or myspace where you can find all kinds of example of this I am sure. |
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To my knowledge none of those kid's parent is potentially one heartbeat away from being president of the United States of America. If she can not keep her house in order, how can she potentially run a country. |
Real Clear Politics just released snippets of tonight's speech by Palin:
On her experience as a public servant: "I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town. I was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids' public education better. When I ran for city council, I didn't need focus groups and voter profiles because I knew those voters, and knew their families, too. Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown. And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities." On why she is going to Washington, D.C.: "I'm not a member of the permanent political establishment. And I've learned quickly, these past few days, that if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone. But here's a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion - I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this country." On energy policies that the McCain-Palin administration will implement: "Our opponents say, again and again, that drilling will not solve all of America's energy problems - as if we all didn't know that already. But the fact that drilling won't solve every problem is no excuse to do nothing at all. Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we're going to lay more pipelines...build more nuclear plants...create jobs with clean coal...and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal, and other alternative sources. We need American energy resources, brought to you by American ingenuity, and produced by American workers." On John McCain: "Here's how I look at the choice Americans face in this election. In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers. And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change. |
Is it just me or does the girl in those pictures look nothing like Bristol Palin?
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I have read that and that's why I removed the other photos, according to the site I got the photo's from these two photos are indeed her. Not 100% sure though. |
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Stunt double. |
Is it possible for her to be dropped by McCain? No doubt if he were to do that his campaign would be dead in the water.
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He won't. She's his ride or die chick. He's either gonna hit an evangelical home run or he's gonna strike out big. Either way, they're gonna ride this horse to the end of the road. |
There's no way he drops her. We haven't even seen her speak yet and she might do really well tonight. Unless that affair thing turns out to be true there's nothing that would make McCain drop her. The Democrats would jump all over McCain's biggest decision as a presidential nominee being a complete disaster and he'd be finished.
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Ouch. I just read up on troopergate on Wikipedia. You have to take it with a whole shaker full of salt, but it looks well referenced, and some of the quotes (from the judge in the divorce case, for example) if true.. just wow. This is the person the Republicans want to be one heartbeat from the presidency? I have to question not only her judgement, but McCain's judgement for selecting her.
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Jebus Thrist if this stuff is true then McCain may need to drop her.
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LOL! It's just a rumor and I think it's in the National Enquirer so that's how little credibility it has. I read somewhere that the McCain campaign is threatening a lawsuit against them. If it were true though, it would finish them. |
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So you want place a tracker on her kid (s)? Did you drink when you we're 16? Bill Clinton seemed to damaged his family when he was President, but he managed to keep the country running smoothly. |
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No I didn't because I was at the time, an athlete and as such did no succumb to those vices. |
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If that's what it takes to avoid having her kid be a teenage drunk that gets knocked up? You're damned skippy. At this point, all that's missing seems to be a picture of her & the family hanging out around their trailer park working on the car up on blocks in the front yard next to the pink flamingos. edit to add -- If you take the politics out of it & just look at the details, Palin seems lot more like a candidate to be on Springer than running for public office. And more & more I'm starting to believe she's far more qualified for the former than the latter. |
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Well I feel like JimGA and I are becoming more in agreement and I dont feel the need to admit to partisanship since Im striving to look at things at face value but any person can see things as they choose in regards to my stance and statements and anyone else's. I truly do not feel she's qualified for the position, especially compared to those that McCain couldve chosen and some on the right agree with that sentiment. Remember, Arles and I agreed that the "Real" scandal (Troopergate) should be allowed to run it's course so that we can get to the truth...The rest of the issues become opinion and valuations regarding 'experience, knowledge, traits, etc.' so there isn't much that is partisan in the real meat of things. When the spin comes it becomes evident and clear. I stated in Alaska that Troppergate was a big deal (I was there at the time), I said it should be allowed to be investigated, and the truth should be allowed to come out....How does Arles feel about Troopergate? 'nothing to see here, move along...' but I argue "We dont know yet and we should be allowed to find out the truth." where is the partisanship? |
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Part of me sees this as a dick move. When Obama was speaking, all McCain did was release an ad congratulating Obama. Obama is planning to steal some thunder from McCain by appearing on a (most likely) very hyped interview with O'Reilly? Bad form... should have been on Friday. |
Firoina's talking, "McCain will achieve a balanced budget by 2013..." Isnt that a long time? I dont know realistically but it seems long.
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Well, I think it was just a we'll be balanced by the end of McCain's 1st term... and that doesn't preclude hitting that a bit earlier. |
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Eh, both sides are attempting to play to (what they perceive as) their own advantage. If Obama figures he'll get more mileage from the interview than from doing a reciprocal ad or nothing at all, then I've got no problem with it. McCain was just looking for an edge, Obama is entitled to the same AFAIC. |
but cant you balance a budget quicker, I mean Im not talking running a surplus or eating into the deficit but I guess i just thought it would be faster than that but I guess I never thought about how long it would take before.
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But it's different John, An ad is expected and almost gets ignored....Obama going on Fox News (a known critic of his) during the RNC convention is attractive and stealing of 'their' moment. During the DNC convention all I saw the Republicans do was after night commentary and Larry King....and it was never McCain out there. This is different and IMO poor form. |
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It didn't preclude balancing the budget quicker ;). Remember, the Clinton Administration passed his budget bill to deal with the debt in 1993 (his first year in office) and the budget didn't get balanced until Clinton's 2nd term. |
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isn't part (most) of the blame on Fox News too though? for asking him on that night? |
At best, he escapes with his teeth in the same place. They'll bust him up really good and it'll be like Saddleback. Another way to embolden the right wing base. But far better than say, a reciprocal ad. Not that I think it's out of the realm of crazy for him to consider doing it.
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no...theyre job is to get ratings. I wonder if they;ll get pressured to drop him though. If they did, though, he'd probably just go on somewhere else. I dont think it's playing fair....and Fox should just keep him if he's just going to go on somewhere else.
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Can't wait to hear what Mitt has to say. Wonder how many total delegates Ron Paul will have at the end of the night.
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One thing is for sure, Palin can't do any worse than Romney who lost me with his sun rising in the west opening.
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I think it's pretty brilliant to tell you the truth, and I'd bet that Obama's camp offered it as a one-night-only opportunity to Fox News. If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin', you know that by now ;) |
"Stubborn kind of integrity that we need in a President."
Auspicious start, Huck. |
Looks like Huckabee's going with the 'the media is all against us' vein....
We'll see if it works. |
I still don't see how the GOP thinks that talking change is gonna sell folks.
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Huck is comin' hard. It's gonna be a barn burner tonight. Can't wait to see the papers in the mornin'.
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I will say, I learned something tonight. I had no idea John McCain was a brave man who served in Vietnam and was a POW. They ought to cover that more and boost up that narrative.
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Did I really see Romney railing against the Eastern elitists? Seriously?
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No, that's more like trying to short-circuit it by handing it off to another group.
Palin wants investigation yanked from Legislature: Gov. Sarah Palin | adn.com The Legislature plans to go forward with its investigation, said Sen. Hollis French, an Anchorage Democrat and former state prosecutor who is project director for the case. That investigation isn't just examining potential abuse of power by the governor, but also others in her administration, French said. "We're going to proceed. If they want to proceed, that's perfectly within their right but it doesn't diminish our right to do so," he said. The Legislature's special counsel Steve Branchflower so far has not been able to depose either Palin or her husband, Todd. Van Flein indicated the governor likely will not agree to a deposition unless lawmakers turn the matter over the Personnel Board. |
I said movement so you didnt have to say "no" as it is movement. Stinks that she and her husband wont cooperate with investigation by being deposed, if that's true.
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The only movement it is is a bowel movement. She's learned from the Bushes well. |
well that just sucks, about the budgets and their deficits on both sides.
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Who cares about budgets and deficits, they made Levi shave his head! Bristol and Levi do look like a happy couple and Cindy McCain looks good in puke green.
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Seriously. Imagine the text messages he's getting from his hockey buddies? Yeesh. |
How many sisters does Sarah have?
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Rudy's giving a good speech, he's really good at it. He seems to connect with the audience.
How does 'reducing gov't. strengthen the $'? |
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ouch, did he just say the word "islamic" offends terrorists? Maybe I heard it wrong. Im not sure I even understand the point but I wonder what he meant.
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Rudy saves America!
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