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And of course the con remains in full effect
A Kenosha man says the Trump-supporting 'owner' of a destroyed business in a photo op was actually his predecessor who sold the shop 8 years ago |
Just coincidentally on the eve of the election? Oh hell no. I'll get the flu vaccine as usual and look to my left and right to make sure both of those people are still standing 2 months later before I take this vaccine.
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I'm at a point where I don't care. States will count the votes and declare their winners. He's going to complain no matter how it goes down. |
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She's not an idiot, she just doesn't care. Dems should have moved on from her a long time ago but they're the Democrats and enjoy losing. |
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Meh. This is the kind of shit Trump pulls all the time and gets away with. Technically the guy in the photo op owns the property so while he is not the store owner, he does own the property. So this just turns into another one of those “look at the fake news media again” moments. |
It really puts Trumpers in a bind. Do they resist the Gates chip vaccine or do they take the Trump miracle cure?
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Hmmm... I can’t think of anyone that fits the description...
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You honestly think this moves the needle one tiny bit? |
Talked to a good friend today who administers clinical drug trials, including covid vaccines. Says it looks like Feb as a realistic timeframe.
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Pelosi is going with the Marion Berry "BITCH SET ME UP" defense.
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I heard today Hong Kong had 9 cases yesterday.
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The whole salon thing is absurd, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking hypocrite. Pence visited a fucking hospital without a mask for christs sake.
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Yang has a point. The problem is that would be up to the states, and large red states are never going to go along with it. If only the blue states do, then the GOP advantage would go even higher.
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Yikes! I was looking at a site that had all the states listed. In looking at the state sites, it looks like North Carolina's have to be postmarked by 5:00 PM on Election Day and received by mail by 5:00 PM on Nov. 6th (or by dropbox by close of polls on Election Day). Arizona has to be received by 7:00 PM on Election Day. It looks like Florida also has mail in and it is similarly due by close of voting (7:00 PM) on Election Day. So, Florida and Arizona should be able to make calls on election night, whereas North Carolina may have some stragglers coming in for a few days. Florida may be really interesting this year, as usually the more heavily populated, liberal areas are among the last counted and can sometimes close the gap or overcome deficits late in the counting process. This year, if more democrats use mail-in and get them in early (as seems to have been emphasized more so than for the GOP to this point), they may be among the first voted and the early lead may favor Biden, but there may not be as much of late surge. I feel like I need to go ahead and schedule to have November 4th off. |
I feel like watching election night results is going to be incredibly stressful, especially if it appears Trump is doing well due to Democrats voting by mail and getting counted later.
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I wonder if the scenario we are discussing would actually be welcomed by Trump, if we could see into the depths of his black heart.
He gets to fight the good fight, yell and scream the election was illegitimate, he is the rightful POTUS, etc...but eventually concede then spend the next 4 years sowing as much discord towards the fake president as he can. |
i am sure he and co-host Ted Nugent already have their podcast ready to launch. Two great patriots.......outside of that pesky draft dodger thing.
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I loved her answer on why she wasn't wearing a mask, "I just had my hair washed. Do you wear a mask after washing your hair?" Why yes. Yes I do. Why, you ask? 'Cause that's the rule right now. I just got a hair cut over at Sport Clips, they washed my hair, and I had to keep my mask on the whole time. |
I wonder if this backfires with the suburban housewife that will completely empathize with needing to have their hair done.
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Also, if you do proportional, then do you do it by congressional district? That’s entirely insane until you eliminate gerrymandering.
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I’m no Trump apologist, but this is a non-story. It 100% qualifies as locker room banter (or whatever phrase Trump erroneously used in his grab’em defence), and is not what any focus should be on |
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To some, yes. |
The majority of this country has shifted away from what is right or wrong or what follows their morales or values and now focus on was it our team or theirs.
It likely has a super minor affect at all, because most people seemingly only care these days if it was a R or a D that said it. That is how we ended up with people politicizing a pandemic of all things instead of keeping people safe. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
This will soon be ancient history like the ice cream.
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I don't think it's a big deal and Sanders knew what she was getting into,
but, it's work and that's pretty clearly harassment. It isn't something we should see as appropriate. |
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It should also work with the MAGA folks who were crying back in May cuz they couldn't get their hair did. |
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The polling out today has me more at ease. If Trump did get a bump from the convention it appears to be gone.
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I will remain not at ease. The biggest bump he's going to get will be self-made. That, and I wouldn't be shocked to hear about some sort of "own the libs" understanding among supporters to lie if they happen to get polled.
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I am not worried about that. Any plan expansive enough to make a difference would not be able to be kept secret. |
As I think it's been mentioned a couple of times, no Biden polling lead is going to give him the lead on election night, and that's really problematic. If you don't think there aren't going to be injunctions filed in every state the night of the election to stop the counting there and if that doesn't work, months worth of lawsuits to invalidate various results... it's going to be a shitshow of epic proportions, and I'm still not very confident it ends up with a Biden win (even winning the popular vote by 4-5%)
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It doesn't have to be a formal plan. If I was in the frame of mind of being a Trump supporter looking to stick it to the MSM and libs, that's an easy way to screw up the system. Make the polls just unreliable enough to frustrate/scare everyone. These polls are already small sample sizes to begin with.
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Who and why? |
FWIW I think the shy trumper, the person who holds their nose last minute and the Trumpers who are so distrusting of the mainstream media they won’t even speak to pollsters are real effects. I can see the odd person following your logic but honestly I think there’s as much chance a Biden voter does it just to seem to be guarding against complacency as there is a Trump voter to try to shit on the polls.
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I am a Pro-Life biblical evangelical (not the kind that the media calls evangelical despite the fact that the great majority of them couldn’t articulate and exegete a sliver of basic orthodoxy if their life depended on it,) living in a swing state strongly considering voting for Biden, and perhaps even a straight D ticket to punish the Republicans for bowing their heads to Trump. The *top* Dem in the country demanding an apology from a hair salon owner for setting her up makes it less likely that I’ll go straight D. It doesn’t move the needle for me on Biden, but it absolutely could change some of my downballot votes from D to L or R. |
Dola: It makes it harder to hold my nose and vote for you when you just rolled around in dog poop.
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Why shouldn't she demand an apology? Is what she did worse than Pence showing up to a hospital without a mask, or Trump holding a rally in Tulsa, or this administration, enabled by these downballot republicans, resisting masks for months when it could have made a real difference? |
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Not really when the alternative is covered in dog poop already. |
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The electoral college can be EFFECTIVELY abolished by the National Popular Vote interstate compact. https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/...-2020-2-13.pdf A very good explanation is here: The Sneaky Plan to Subvert the Electoral College for the Next Election - YouTube |
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It was a total political fuck up by Pelosi.
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So only the right can do that. got it. |
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If that's really what moves the needle, I would argue you had no real intention of voting straight D anyway. I mean, let's call dog poop dog poop. It's likely a nothingburger of a mistake, I have not read a single thing but I would imagine she was told that the place would be empty for her and something of the sort...and boom gotcha. But sure, vote for the guys pardoning friends who essentially committed treason, hiding intelligence to help their re-election, fucking up pandemics, and generally turning the executive branch in to an authoritarian sanctuary because somebody 3000 miles away that you do not vote for anyway did not wear a mask to a salon. |
The same people saying no haircuts was akin to tyranny all have their pitch forks out because Fox News says so.
Anti-lockdown demonstrators trade guns for scissors at Michigan 'haircut' protest And yes Pelosi is a moron for even putting herself in that position and her reply was just as bad. But spare the righteous indignation coming from those who have given Trump a free pass for four years. |
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Never be passed as long as R s hold at least more than a third of the house. You need 2/3 rds to ratify it. |
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They only need enough states to sign on that collectively add up to 270 electoral votes. It's not an attempt to change the electoral college, just an agreement in how to apportion a state's own electoral votes. But it might not be constitutional. |
Trump signed a letter today directing the federal government to withhold all funding from areas the Attorney General declares to be anarchist zones. I'm sure it will get tied up in court quickly, but holy hell.
In other news, also, Trump told his supporters in NC to try to vote twice, by mail and in person to make sure one of them is counted. |
And AG Barr didn't know if it was illegal to vote twice in NC.
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But her emails... But Obama... But her haircut... |
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I don't know. If that happens you no longer live in a democracy. The idea that we have to make the optics good to appease authoritarians and fascists is silly. All we can do is follow the laws and if it doesn't work, we are in some uncharted territory. |
So let’s say Biden wins the popular vote by 10 million votes and 5%but loses a key state like Florida do have mail in votes purged by the Republican governor. Does this Cold Civil War get hot? I assume Trump will deploy the active duty Army if it did. It sounds crazy but we really aren’t that far from things unraveling if we aren't careful.
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Take away the fact that one is a woman, and it’s just people who work together having a joke. No pressure to actually do it, no touching, no nothing - clearly just taking the piss. People shouldn’t be outraged at everything the boogeyman does, as eventually we get outraged through duty rather than because it was outrageous. Then things that deserve attention and scrutiny get lost in the midst of all the faux reactions |
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Not sure how it works in the UK, but in the US that's absolutely going to result in something between discipline and firing if it's reported. Putting into the book seems to show pretty clearly that she was uncomfortable. You can't take the fact that she's a woman out, that's what makes the comment harassment. |
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I hear what you are saying but I am reading what Ben and others are saying as if both sides do it, I might as well go with the side that I agree with more. I am not saying that going to the beauty parlor and not following the protocols is the same as the things as pardoning criminals. I do think there are levels to this but we are moving more and more to black/white than shades of gray. |
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I agree but this is a street brawl at this point and if Trump and the right are going to use these tactics at some point the left has to beat them at their own game. |
Bits and pieces of information like this are the most interesting to me:
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Those things sound encouraging.
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I agree with Ben. She screwed up and should have owned it. I'm very liberal, but I frequently find comments from some people who are "on my side" to be annoying. I can imagine that'd be much worse if you're holding your nose to do the right thing for our country and vote for a guy who you don't like a bunch. So let's be the side that can admit it if we fuck up. Yes, Trump and the Republicans have done a litany of hideous and stupid things. We all know that. That doesn't excuse someone on the left when they do something dumb. Own up to it and move on. Don't give people who are reluctantly on our side this time a reason to change their mind.
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Yeah, that's over 37 thousand votes that were not there for Clinton. The difference in 2016 was 44,292. Those votes can definitely be a game changer.
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Maybe it is different, or maybe I see it different, but that to me is a comment that could be made to men or women I work in a 95% male office, and we've joked about taking one for the team to get an order - that's why I don't see it as gender specific. But I bow to local knowledge on US law, and I might be thinking of it more from a discrimination angle than harassment TBF :) |
Context matters with that comment.
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I can easily see Pelosi being pissed though. California these days allows salon rules to be set county by county. The county this salon was in was only allowing outdoors appointments starting Tuesday. The third party that the owner rents a chair to told Pelosi, they are allowed to have indoor salon appointments if there is only one person.
Now, she shouldn't have responded in anger, but it's fair for her to say she was informed it was ok, but apologize for not realizing that it wasn't. |
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That's not going to happen. It makes for intriguing cinema, like "Seven Days in May", but not a realistic real-life scenario. The following quotes from this article address this issue. "The Constitution and laws of the US and the states establish procedures for carrying out elections, and for resolving disputes over the outcome of elections ... I do not see the US military as part of this process," "In the event of a dispute over some aspect of the elections, by law U.S. courts and the U.S. Congress are required to resolve any disputes, not the U.S. Military," "We have a Constitution, and our Constitution, which all members of the military have sworn an oath to, provides no role for the US military as arbiter of political or election disputes," "This issue appears to be born of unserious thought reflecting a fundamental lack of appreciation for the history of our democracy and the civilian-military relationship established under our Constitution," Top US general tells Congress the military won't play a role in the 2020 election |
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There is debate as to whether it is constitutional. It would certainly be challenged. |
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While I appreciate these comments, this last comment feels like a commentary about the Trump administration - like, things that they are actually doing or threatening to do. So, it doesn't make me all that comforted. |
And to be fair, that may or may not even be the best strategy for winning. Maybe for every 10 nose-holders alienated by it, doubling down and demanding an apology gains you 12 left-leaning voters who want you to fight as dirty as Team Trump does but thought you were too soft. If that’s the calculus here, then so be it. I get that you have to compromise your integrity to win. But the specific question was does this move the needle for anyone, and it does for me.
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We are not Venezuela. I am very concerned over the divisiveness in our country right now, but I do trust the integrity of our military officials to do the right thing and steer clear of involvement in civilian issues. |
That is how I would expect Trump to handle the situation. Instead of accepting responsibility, just attack the other person.
In this election, that doesn't matter to me. Trump needs to go and anyone who hasn't held him accountable needs to go as well. I have in the past just voted straight Republican. A lot of times I don't even care about half of the races and just vote for the Republican. This election, I won't vote for anyone who supports Trump. So, I am doing my homework. I understand that other folks can feel differently though. |
Nice to see Pelosi take ownership and apologize for "falling for a setup."
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I would love a headline where Trump says he was set up by his hairdresser. |
I'm not at all worried about the military.
I am worried about what happens with the big Biden popular vote win and a narrow Trump EC win. I don't think that ends well. |
Interesting shift this week in the betting markets for US President.
Trump increased his lead at the betting shops having overtaken Biden as the favorite this week. He’s now a -121 favorite. Biden, who had built a large lead all summer, fell back even more to +100. It’s tough to speculate on the cause and effect of such line movements in politics. Such a drastic improvement in Trump’s odds over the past month could indicate a lot of money being bet on Trump, especially when he was at a low-point around +160 in late July. Bookmakers need to balance their true beliefs on a game or political race with mitigating risk. The big odds swing could be more a result of big Trump bets than actual politics of late. Bear in mind that while Trump is favored as a candidate, the generic "Democrats vs. Republicans" to win the White House is even at -110. Trump Lead Grows: Presidential Election Odds Daily Tracker |
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Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me 423,544,544 times since the beginning of this adminstration, shame on... I don't believe that the military would get involved either. However, I did not think I would see members of the national guard using force against the protesters so the president can have a photo op. |
I'm not worried about the Military stepping in. The Military won't. The Military has sense and honor and cares about the United States of America.
But Trump's got his personal militia of "I wasn't qualified to get a job as a security guard at Wal-Mart, so I joined the Border Patrol" goons. Those are the guys who worry me. Picture the Brooks Brothers riot, but the rioters have guns and start shooting people who are trying to count votes. |
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You must not be following the race if you think lefties aren't talking about holding their nose to vote for Biden, LOL! |
I don't know anyone who had Biden as their first choice. But he's who we got, and I am 100% behind him.
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It’s hard to keep up with the shifting gentle breeze.
So mail-in voting is not wrought with fraud and is now encouraged? |
This will be closely followed by taking all of the Dem mail boxes that were removed and putting them in GOP districts.
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Kamala Harris dropped out of the 2020 presidential primaries when her support dropped to 2% in the polls, yet now she is the supposed front runner for the 2024 nomination. |
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Too little too late. That news cycle already did the GOP favors. |
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Yep, she was set up by that nefarious right-wing conspiracy group “Hairdressers of Northern California.” |
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Please don't give Donald any ideas Cuomo. Trump is going to take this as practically begging to send troops. |
It was really stupid by Pelosi.
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I really look at her as almost as big a clown as Trump sometimes with her theatrics (Kente cloth, ripping up the SOTU) and hypocrisy (This) Quite frankly her time has passed as well. |
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