The incredible thing is Trumps advisors will actually be forced into looking into it

Am I the only one that thought that was sarcasm based on panerd's repeated accusations of racism?

dola

If I understand things, the libertarian argued that arbitrary and excessive government regulation has no bearing on the behavior of the populace.

Found this posted elsewhere, may not fit exactly but interesting nonetheless (looks like part of a series).

The Alt-Right Playbook: The Card Says Moops - YouTube

*3, and I'll add morally bankrupt as well.

I feel like this post was (purposely?) ignored. Vote by mail increases turnout. Which is why Trump literally said he wants to limit it.

So, let's some up what happened last night: "Hey, look! A troll! Lets feed it!"

Nailed it!

It's a shame that vote by mail became a partisan thing.

Studies showed that it did not help on party or another.

And it is safe, pretty much impossible to hack, and increases turnout.

The states that do it all like it on a bipartisan basis.

But, now that Trump has poisoned the well, we will never have it because a huge group of people will go to their graves insisting that it is a "Democrat plot."

GOP nominated Larua Loomer for Congress.

Whether Trump wins in November will have huge effects on our country.

But I don't think it will do much to change the GOP either way.

TBF, from what I remember on the research, it did not say the BLM protesters did not get coronavirus. It said there was not a spike because many stayed home, away etc. and therefore, overall there was not a spike. I suspect more BLM protesters proportionately did get the virus.

But your point is taken, there wasn't a lot of doom-and-gloom on this board re: protesters themselves catching the virus. BLM protests is a priority for many here and so helping spread the virus among themselves wasn't something to rail against.


Yeah, definitely some dirty politics at work. But not worse case which would have been that these activities were significant enough where Trump was elected because of them and therefore an illegitimate presidency.


Whereas I do believe there is "suppression" by the definition of the word, the real question to me is do these suppression tactics really prevent the non-bell curve exception (e.g. I proposed the 80%) from voting? 55% voted in 2016, is the other 25% really prevented (vs inconvenienced) from voting? Nope, it is their duty and privilege to go out and vote and, if necessary, plan ahead to get what they need to get to vote in person or absentee/mail-in.

However, I concede that majority of the people "inconvenienced" would vote Dem. Just my swag, 2016 had 51%-48% as Dem/lean vs Rep/lean so somewhere around this + a couple more % for Dem.


Not sure about Washington but the other post on Oregon voting history showed that Oregon voted in the 70s and 80s before they did voting entirely by mail. Congrats to the Oregonians for doing their civic duty much better than many other states.


I like the differentiation. It is suppression by definition but not prevention.

NY Times says 43 states allows absentee/mail-in, the other 7 require some sort of excuse. Go vote by absentee if they land in your use case.


Definitely not ADL-racism.


Congrats panerd. It typically takes at least 2-full pages before personal attacks come up with the non-ADL R-word. You may have the record.

I think there is a nuance here. Most Americans are okay with some sort of globalism if it helps them, not perceived to be a threat, and doesn't hurt their pocket books too much.

I've tried finding recent polls and have been unsuccessful but I can see if Biden goes buddy buddy with China or Russia, that would be bad. If Biden does more with Canada-Mexico, UK & EU that's probably okay.

For many manufacturing people, NAFTA (or what is it called now) is bad.

For many IT people, spread of IT outsourcing is bad.


I agree on immigration, specifically "legal" immigration.

I tried finding recent polls on "polls on globalization" and "US views on globalization". I did find a WP one in 2016 but honestly think that is kinda old and the country is moving more towards nationalism vs globalism. In other words, globalism may still be majority but think the trend is towards nationalism.

I would like to read more about current polling so appreciate some links if you are so obliged.

I remember way back when voting by computers came up. There was some that did not have an audit trail and, having an IT background and liking audit trails, I thought that was a threat.

Sure Oregonians have successfully done it but is it beyond belief (with the more awareness now about other countries trying to interfere and sow discord) that mail in could be manipulated somehow? All things held equal, I much prefer in-person voting with audit trails.

Re: who it helps more, I didn't think what you said was intuitively correct so I did some googling and found the below.

So surprise, you are right according to 538. And therefore the discussions past couple pages re: mail suppression helping Republicans more, although not completely proven right or wrong, is probably not as significant as what's been proposed here.

There Is No Evidence That Voting By Mail Gives One Party An Advantage | FiveThirtyEight

I really, really hope you are wrong. Trumpism is here to stay for the near future (e.g. he'll have some supporters for the next 2-4-6-8 years) but hopefully a much smaller minority than the current 38-42%.

I hope with a significant Biden win, his long established relationships with Congressional GOP folks and reputation as a "moderate", he can get us back to some level of bi-partianship and GOP will revert back to their pre-Trump days.

Polling is showing that Dems have a chance to win the Senate. I am very interested in what Biden says are his very top priorities in the first 2 years and how he negotiates with the GOP. There is danger that Biden will swing too far left to appease the radical elements of the Dem party.

I hope there is compromise.

With that all said, a common refrain in my line of work is - "hope" is not a management strategy.

One problem is that, due to increased polarization and gerrymandering, a lot of GOP reps (and even Senators) have more to fear from losing a primary challenge from the right than losing the general election. So their inventive to meet Biden in the middle (or even halfway to the middle) is pretty much zero.

I do not think that Biden will swing too far left. The big concession that the Dems gave to the left at their convention was to let AOC talk for 60 seconds.

It is a solidly moderate party now, for good or ill.

Trump has spent his morning tweeting support for Laura Loomer.

She fits his prototype, thankfully where she is running is staunchly democrat.

Well, to be fair someone has to since she is banned from all social media platforms. Except maybe sports digs.

FOFC: Here is a picture of the Earth from space. You can see that it is a sphere.

panerd: IT'S FLAT YOU IDIOTIC DEMOCRATS!

And now Trump is urging a boycott of Goodyear over something something MAGA hats.

CanCel cULture IS DesTroying OuR CoUNTRy.

This thread:

What a privilege it is to be able to address @tedcruz @marcorubio @SenRickScott all at once. It is no slander and the same criticism applies to you. Never has anything been so clear and obvious as the truth that both Rubio and you lack principle and courage. Trump has cruelly https://t.co/mKENUklSCU

— Steve Schmidt (@SteveSchmidtSES) August 19, 2020

Let them fight

There are burns. And then there is that thread.

SI

That was pretty neat. Steve Schmidt really did a stepmom on Cruz's throat.

Wow. These enabler morons should know by now that you shouldn't go up against a Lincoln Project person unless you want your ass handed to you.

For some reason the FBI Records Vault account thought it was a good idea to tweet out a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

On the win/lose part, nope. Possibly true if the candidate was more palatable than Trump, but until I see a shred of evidence of him doing anything other than getting his clock cleaned, nope.

Globalism is the future. Nationalism is the past. It doesn't even matter if we like that anymore, economic realities make in inevitable. We can either profit from globalism, or lose our shirts trying to fight it and failing, but it's here whether we like it or not.

The DHS employee that spoke out against Trump says today that Trump didn't just want to buy Greenland, he wanted to swap it for Puerto Rico.

The Director's Cut of this Presidency is going to be crazy.

Can you imagine how many scenes they filmed that never made it out to the public?

Mask fully off.

Don't you mean "hood"?

SI

It's funny how people still claim to be undecided whether Mr Trump is racist.

The Republican Party.

Lauren Loomer claims that the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee called her last night to tell her she was a "political rock star" and a "change agent for the Republican Party."https://t.co/YXEXtQPu6B

— Jared Holt (@jaredlholt) August 19, 2020

Man, today has been quite a day for crazy. In addition to all of the above, the Press Secretary said that Trump will decide whether or not to accept the results of the election in the aftermath of the vote.

ADL dictionary incoming!

Nope. Need to keep up, I've already said that Trump & Stephen Miller are racist.

But thanks for trying to make the distinction. Maybe its getting through. Am waiting on the new definition but haven't seen it yet.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Please let this become part of FOFC lore...

Thanks Lathum

Interesting side story to the protesting/covid/police in PDX:

A Weed Robbery Spree Strikes Portland Cannabis Shops, Even as Police Are Stretched Thin - Willamette Week

50 smash and grabs at SE Portland marijuana dispensaries over the last couple months. Omar coming!

Trump will NOT accept a banning.

/throwback

Just keeps getting crazier. Trump basically validates QAnon.

REPORTER: QAnon believes you are secretly saving the world from this cult of pedophiles and cannibals. Are you behind that?

TRUMP: Is that supposed to be a bad thing? We are actually. We are saving the world. pic.twitter.com/rPYFU1B8WB

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) August 19, 2020

How can anyone support this POS.

Ranked voting option I'm going:

1. Biden
2. Cult of Pedophiles and Cannibals
3. Trump
4. Jo Jorgensen

Edit: Forgot Kanye. Either #3, #4, or #5. I'd need to see a Trump/Kanye/Jorgensen debate to sort that out.

After that debate, you'd need to also see a psychiatrist to sort that out.

39,113 posts and I may have finally contributed to this place.

someone should tell him NAMBLA likes him very much, and see what he has to say about that.

"I lost my membershi... uh, I don't know a lot about that, but they love young Americans and me, so they must be fine people. Got great ratings for Jerry Springer, I bet I could get 10 times his number."

Saw a Q thing today that supposedly believes AOC is Jodi Arias.

Well it does make perfect sense. I can find absolutely no flaw in that theory whatsoever.

Now excuse while I go take whatever covid cure the MyPillow guy is pushing.

Holy shit. if i could have a press pass for just one day

I got around to listening to the NYT Magazine piece on the state of the intelligence community, especially w.r.t. Russian interference in Us elections and... it’s quite an experience to do so. I’m just grinding my teeth at this point.

bars

Hearing the play by play is just a brutal illustration of the things that arise from such an awful person gaining this kind of station. It’s...I don’t know the right word...heartbreaking? No, more like the patriotic version of that. I’m at a loss. It’s an awful feeling.

It’s also dispiriting to know, with virtual certainty, that the continued reporting of such things wil have no effect on such a substantial share of Americans, at this point. They wouldn’t read a “fake news” source, wouldn’t trust the reporting if they did, and would blame the President's rivals for the smear. It’s testament the Bannon’s fundamentally cynical strategy that you can win in American politics mainly by just conning the stupid, hateful, and gullible...that this isn’t just a fringe, it’s a workable, viable coalition.

I shudder at the direction this could all take us. And I wince every time the opposition party makes decisions that I fear lessen the chance of defeating this awful person through the proper democratic channels. I’m mortified that this election is within spitting distance of being a toss up. Good heavens, America, wake up from this, please.

It's hard for me to understand some decent, otherwise rational people I know who simply see this as "politics as usual" back-and-forth between the parties and downplay, discount or rebut a lot of what Trump has done to fundamentally attack the basis of our democracy, as if they were defending policy decisions of any other president. These are smart people. I just don't get it.

I am in the same boat. This is something I can't comprehend.

+100

Yes me too It just shocks me.

Exactly and many are people I've known my whole life. To tell the truth I find it depressing to think about :(

Trump claims he's just about to drop prescription prices, "50, 60, and even 70 percent."

lol I missed the spelling. He actually tweeted "per cent."

He's one of the best people at selling things that aren't real.

They're too worried about cannibals, pedophiles, and non-citizens infiltrating the presidency (and now the vice presidency) to be bothered with things like Russian interference.

Right up until a Democrat hosts a state dinner with a formerly-communist Eastern bloc leader, and then they'll be blowing their brains out about treason.

Bannon arrested in online fund raising scheme.

BREAKING: Steve Bannon indicted by federal prosecutors in Manhattan. https://t.co/kdrUxk2XiK

— NBC News (@NBCNews) August 20, 2020

So, like GoodRx?

Can you imagine the dirty he has on Trump if he wants to roll over and make a deal?

The Build the Wall crowdfunding scheme. Which seemed like a scam the entire time - it's amazing they got so many to buy in.

Trump barely knew Steve Bannon. Maybe Bannon got coffee for him once or something?

Might this have been why Barr was trying so hard to control who was the US Attorney for SDNY?

Gold.

lol

This is quite a list of names.

Kris Kobach is the general counsel of the Build the Wall PAC that Steve Bannon was just arrested for being involved in as chairman. The advisory board includes Erik Prince, former CO congressman Tom Tancredo, Sheriff Dave Clarke and former pitcher Curt Schilling.

— Edward-Isaac Dovere (@IsaacDovere) August 20, 2020

Nothing would make me happier than seeing Curt Schilling do the perp walk

I'd like to be there for the conversation between Shilling and his lawyers when they explain to him that putting some ketchup on his sock probably won't work to get sympathy in front of the jury.

Fixed

I'm ashamed to admit that I ever rooted for a team Curt Schilling was on.

You're not the only one.

Bannon was arrested by Postal Service agents.

What if I told you the POTUS was going to have them switch the tires on the cars in his motorcade because the company that makes them doesn't like him....

The crazy never ends....

Only the best people...

The car his campaign sponsors for NASCAR has Goodyear tires.

I know someone personally who gave to this nonsense. I'm having a hard time feeling sympathy for anyone who gave their money to be stewarded by the likes of Steve Bannon and Sheriff Clarke.

Between this and the NRA its a wonder people have any money left to give to the Trump campaign.

And the Trump campaign is the biggest groft of them all. Parscale didn't buy all his toys with the money from his past jobs.

Looks like one of these clowns bought a boat with the ill gotten money: http://twitter.com/evanchill/status/1296466677870231562

Also, just how good is it that the USPS made this arrest. Lol

I wonder if he was in the boat parade!

And the lead grifter took part in a July 4th boat parade for Trump.

"Clinton Foundation" is trending on Twitter.

Half of the Russian economy is people being paid to post bothsides shit on social media to protect Trump.

On the indictment of former aide Steve Bannon, Pres Trump says he feels very badly about it, but hasn't been dealing with Bannon for a very long period of time. The Pres says he doesn't know anything about the fundraising project in the matter and he didn't like it.

— Mark Knoller (@markknoller) August 20, 2020

Kris Kobach in a January 2019 interview connected the border wall fundraising scheme to Trump: "I talked with the president, and the 'We Build the Wall Effort’' came up. The president said 'the project has my blessing, and you can tell the media that.'" https://t.co/iUFv5sdg4f

— Geoff Bennett (@GeoffRBennett) August 20, 2020

Don Jr. liked the grift

Here's Donald Trump Jr.'s testimonial on the We Build The Wall Website. pic.twitter.com/oXnD1gCIzn

— Jonathan Allen (@jonallendc) August 20, 2020

Those are clearly just examples of Democrats hacking the website.

Bannon was arrested at sea by the Post Office?

2020, you magnificent bastard, you've managed to surprise me again.

Now we see why Barr fired that AG.

Also, it is kind of funny that most of the people who worked on the Trump campaign clearly didn't expect him to win and were just along to grift off the top and expect to get away with it b/c of the norm against prosecuting your opponents.

Trump's voters are happy he won. The GOP members of Congress, governors, etc. are happy that he won.

But the actual guys who worked on the campaign wanted a The Producers-like scenario where the campaign failed miserably and they slipped out the back door on November 4th holding bags with big dollar signs written on them.

Winning fucked all of that up.

Don Jr issued a statement distancing himself from the Bannon thing, but Twitter is doing its thing. One of my favorites:

Get your Don Jr "Triggered" Autographed Book with a $75 Donation or more to We Build The Wall - https://t.co/Y5T7PBC0Ch

— Derk12 (@IcallBSonU2) January 13, 2020

Whatever the shorthand is for I'm laughing so hard that I fall and roll off of a cliff and fall into the ocean while still laughing and then a shark eats me.

JUST IN: Trump asks Supreme Court to let him block critics on Twitter https://t.co/IRkmI7oSz4 pic.twitter.com/YPS9yJeGKM

— The Hill (@thehill) August 20, 2020

i know it is a common thread among bullies, but I have never seen anyone who dishes out so much and is such a weakling when it comes to taking it.

Looks like you can't donate anymore at the "webuildthewall" website, but you still can support the cause in the shop. If anyone in your life needs a set of two silver President Trump collector's Coins, or an El Paso border wall steel credit card bottle opener.

Also, Trump lobbied for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to award a billion-dollar contract to the company with the Webuildthewall contract. If that kind of thing matters.

I have thought about this at least a half dozen times today, laughing under my breath each time. Bravo.

#TeamJoeOrTheCultIfNecessary

Literally nothing matters

We can try to rationalize what's going on all we want (I know I'm guilty of it), but voting right now can simply come down to how much you hate libtards. Nothing Trump does matters. Nothing Biden does matters. Nothing anyone does at this point matters.

Now can they arrest DeJoy for tampering with the mail?

SI

You know that whole "start fresh and let the past bygones be bygones" part of each new administration? Screw that this time.

If he wins, among Biden's first 100 days priorities, I want him to direct his DoJ, the FBI, and local DAs to do criminal probes into all the illegal shit this administration did. Don't publicize it or even prosecute it for a year or so, until the heavy lifting of new policy stuff gets done. But don't forget to do it - make sure it's being worked on. Not because of some sort of pettiness or vindictiveness. Not because they're all on an enemies list and to try and consolidate Democratic power. But because these people need to go to jail for doing illegal shit. There need to be consequences for all of this so that the next time someone wants to do this, they have to think there might be jail time at the end of it. And these practiced assholes don't need to be floating around in the job pool for the next prospective fascist to scoop right up and go right back to destroying our democracy.

I know this has like a 1 in 100 chance of happening but can I at least hope for it?

SI

Now blaming California again for basically having Wildfires because they didn't do what he told them (sth about "cleaning the floors" of forrests).

Also:

USPS Headquarters Tells Managers Not to Reconnect Mail Sorting Machines, Emails Show - VICE


And why this goes beyond the election or rather how their egomania has a massive spillover effect. Talk about collateral damage.


USPS: Dead animals, rotting food, and chaos amid cutbacks - Los Angeles Times


https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/08/19/...-patients.html